IstenSzek said:

i wonder when they'll give us some more information

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3.5 months to go, so I guess we may not hear anything for another month or so. I'd be surprised if there's just one package and not small (2-CDs), medium (3-CDs+2-DVDs), and large (medium+vinyl) options.

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They could probably release a PR package every few years for a decade and still have it be undeniably PR related, but different enough so that fans could keep buying and get something new.

I hope they don't cheap out on this set. I would really like something substantial with a book, vinyl etc.

Something like the Oasis box sets they have been releasing for each of their lbums

I think it's a given it will also be released on vinyl now that vinyl has made a huge comeback the last decade.

databank said:

master said:

this album is called music from motion picture purple rain. it is a soundtrack. So these associated artist songs that featured in film deserve to be on there more so than any unreleased songs as they actually feaured in film.Pretty sure they will put them on there. i like the songs also so want them on it. i also like how they got free promotion by announcing around grammys and will get free promotion and for releasing it around his birthday. At least they have learnt lesson from 4ever and release a descent product. so much better than i thought.

Were they on the original "music from the motion picture"? No.

Why? because Prince didn't want them there.

Why not, are they outtakes? No: he wanted them on albums titled Ice Cream Castles and Apollonia 6.

Why? because Prince had an artistic vision for three different albums and wasn't gonna pile-up songs for the mere sake of piling them up.

You like the songs? I do too. Great news: they're already available on 2 awesome albums titled Ice Cream Castles and Apollonia 6. If you don't have those songs get those albums, they're there for you to enjoy.

You want them remastered? Petition WB for an Ice Cream Castle and an Apollonia 6 remaster.

Music from the motion picture or not, putting those songs on a PR remaster would be gross.

Don't be short-sighted, be ambitious, see the big picture and embrace it. Your life will be much improved.

The arguments for and against including The Time, Apollonia 6 (+ Modernaire) are all valid.

Compromise: add yet another disc, this one including the relevent protege tracks that were part of the Purple Rain experience.

Would that solve the dilemma?

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

Were they on the original "music from the motion picture"? No.

Why? because Prince didn't want them there.

Why not, are they outtakes? No: he wanted them on albums titled Ice Cream Castles and Apollonia 6.

Why? because Prince had an artistic vision for three different albums and wasn't gonna pile-up songs for the mere sake of piling them up.

You like the songs? I do too. Great news: they're already available on 2 awesome albums titled Ice Cream Castles and Apollonia 6. If you don't have those songs get those albums, they're there for you to enjoy.

You want them remastered? Petition WB for an Ice Cream Castle and an Apollonia 6 remaster.

Music from the motion picture or not, putting those songs on a PR remaster would be gross.

Don't be short-sighted, be ambitious, see the big picture and embrace it. Your life will be much improved.

The arguments for and against including The Time, Apollonia 6 (+ Modernaire) are all valid.

Compromise: add yet another disc, this one including the relevent protege tracks that were part of the Purple Rain experience.

Would that solve the dilemma?

Not really. Another disc could contain more "Prince" PR -related material, why waste space? I don't understand why people want to have those three little songs on a set where they don't belong when they could wish for deluxe editions of not one but THREE Prince records. it's a bit like saying "I can do with a deluxe TGE remaster if they throw in my 3 favorite songs from Come" instead of asking for a deluxe remaster with outtakes for BOTH albums. I personally don't care for the remasters themselves because I am satisfied with the albums as I have them, but think of all the extra material that could be added to PR and ICC and A6. I still fail to see why people would wanna go for the cheap version. And I still find this super disrespectful of P's legacy: he cared to create 4 full length albums in 1984 (with TGL) and people seem to consider only one of those deserve to be rereleased with bonus material while the 3 others can rot in limbo forever.

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In the end it shows one thing: those people don't have the smallest clue of what Prince's work is about, have no respect for preserving his legacy in a cohesive manner and don't deserve to have anything.

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Anyway WB has already decided what they'll do and it is ridiculous to see fans still making dream tracklists (lame for the most of them, again that cheap lack of vision) in the hope that some WB exec will come on the org and be enlightened by the sheer genius of those posters and change the whole project according to what they've read here. Hopefully PR and future rereleases have been and will be handled by professionals who respect the material and know what they're doing, and if that's the case you won't see a single Time or A6 songs on PR Deluxe because WB will keep them as an asset for potential future rerelease of the albums they belong to. Including them on PR would be sending the wrong message, as in "you can expect proper rereleases of the few big albums but don't expect us to spend a minute on anything that sole less that 5 million copies, let alone side projects, we'll give you A Love Bizarre on ATWIAD and Mia Bocca on SOTT and you better be happy with those few scattered semi-hits and leave us alone".

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The only song I could tolerate would be Modernaire because it's an orphan song, but I don't see WB giving a share of the pie to Dez, who owns the rights for that one's masters (even though technically he never got the proper master tape from Prince or WB, and it's even possible he used a loophole, I don't really know how he managed to release it given that it was recorded on WB money), so in the end Modernaire would be better off on some sort of songs given to other artists compilation if such a thing is conceivable.

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VISION. This is what too many people lack. They see short sighted, short term, immediate retribution, and they miss the big picture. Take my word for it, it's ruining a lot of things in this world.

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

The arguments for and against including The Time, Apollonia 6 (+ Modernaire) are all valid.

Compromise: add yet another disc, this one including the relevent protege tracks that were part of the Purple Rain experience.

Would that solve the dilemma?

Not really. Another disc could contain more "Prince" PR -related material, why waste space? I don't understand why people want to have those three little songs on a set where they don't belong when they could wish for deluxe editions of not one but THREE Prince records. it's a bit like saying "I can do with a deluxe TGE remaster if they throw in my 3 favorite songs from Come" instead of asking for a deluxe remaster with outtakes for BOTH albums. I personally don't care for the remasters themselves because I am satisfied with the albums as I have them, but think of all the extra material that could be added to PR and ICC and A6. I still fail to see why people would wanna go for the cheap version. And I still find this super disrespectful of P's legacy: he cared to create 4 full length albums in 1984 (with TGL) and people seem to consider only one of those deserve to be rereleased with bonus material while the 3 others can rot in limbo forever.

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In the end it shows one thing: those people don't have the smallest clue of what Prince's work is about, have no respect for preserving his legacy in a cohesive manner and don't deserve to have anything.

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Anyway WB has already decided what they'll do and it is ridiculous to see fans still making dream tracklists (lame for the most of them, again that cheap lack of vision) in the hope that some WB exec will come on the org and be enlightened by the sheer genius of those posters and change the whole project according to what they've read here. Hopefully PR and future rereleases have been and will be handled by professionals who respect the material and know what they're doing, and if that's the case you won't see a single Time or A6 songs on PR Deluxe because WB will keep them as an asset for potential future rerelease of the albums they belong to. Including them on PR would be sending the wrong message, as in "you can expect proper rereleases of the few big albums but don't expect us to spend a minute on anything that sole less that 5 million copies, let alone side projects, we'll give you A Love Bizarre on ATWIAD and Mia Bocca on SOTT and you better be happy with those few scattered semi-hits and leave us alone".

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The only song I could tolerate would be Modernaire because it's an orphan song, but I don't see WB giving a share of the pie to Dez, who owns the rights for that one's masters (even though technically he never got the proper master tape from Prince or WB, and it's even possible he used a loophole, I don't really know how he managed to release it given that it was recorded on WB money), so in the end Modernaire would be better off on some sort of songs given to other artists compilation if such a thing is conceivable.

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VISION. This is what too many people lack. They see short sighted, short term, immediate retribution, and they miss the big picture. Take my word for it, it's ruining a lot of things in this world.

With all LOVE and RESPECT, your extremist stance on this issue cracks me up a bit. Personally I see both sides of the argument (hence the attempt at a compromise). I don't want to see those songs taking up space on the main discs either but would be perfectly fine with a bonus disc.

How 'bout this: a completely seperate supplemental release at the same time that has not only the 4 songs but also the relevent alternate versions of those songs. Would that be cool?

djThunderfunk said:

databank said:

Not really. Another disc could contain more "Prince" PR -related material, why waste space? I don't understand why people want to have those three little songs on a set where they don't belong when they could wish for deluxe editions of not one but THREE Prince records. it's a bit like saying "I can do with a deluxe TGE remaster if they throw in my 3 favorite songs from Come" instead of asking for a deluxe remaster with outtakes for BOTH albums. I personally don't care for the remasters themselves because I am satisfied with the albums as I have them, but think of all the extra material that could be added to PR and ICC and A6. I still fail to see why people would wanna go for the cheap version. And I still find this super disrespectful of P's legacy: he cared to create 4 full length albums in 1984 (with TGL) and people seem to consider only one of those deserve to be rereleased with bonus material while the 3 others can rot in limbo forever.

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In the end it shows one thing: those people don't have the smallest clue of what Prince's work is about, have no respect for preserving his legacy in a cohesive manner and don't deserve to have anything.

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Anyway WB has already decided what they'll do and it is ridiculous to see fans still making dream tracklists (lame for the most of them, again that cheap lack of vision) in the hope that some WB exec will come on the org and be enlightened by the sheer genius of those posters and change the whole project according to what they've read here. Hopefully PR and future rereleases have been and will be handled by professionals who respect the material and know what they're doing, and if that's the case you won't see a single Time or A6 songs on PR Deluxe because WB will keep them as an asset for potential future rerelease of the albums they belong to. Including them on PR would be sending the wrong message, as in "you can expect proper rereleases of the few big albums but don't expect us to spend a minute on anything that sole less that 5 million copies, let alone side projects, we'll give you A Love Bizarre on ATWIAD and Mia Bocca on SOTT and you better be happy with those few scattered semi-hits and leave us alone".

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The only song I could tolerate would be Modernaire because it's an orphan song, but I don't see WB giving a share of the pie to Dez, who owns the rights for that one's masters (even though technically he never got the proper master tape from Prince or WB, and it's even possible he used a loophole, I don't really know how he managed to release it given that it was recorded on WB money), so in the end Modernaire would be better off on some sort of songs given to other artists compilation if such a thing is conceivable.

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VISION. This is what too many people lack. They see short sighted, short term, immediate retribution, and they miss the big picture. Take my word for it, it's ruining a lot of things in this world.

With all LOVE and RESPECT, your extremist stance on this issue cracks me up a bit.

I sure hope it does or my whole act would be a complete waste of time

master said:

imprimis said:

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I do not believe that associated artist tracks should end up on a deluxe Purple Rain release. I was merely going through a list, an imperfect one, of PR-era material, either uncirculating altogether or circulating in relatively poor quality (hence, 'loosely construed').

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The exact delineations and gradations to what is a PR-era track (or any era) are subjective. To me, it begins almost indisputably by Summer of 1983, and ends around March of 1984, with some slight overlap into material from other session periods. The pre-PR 1983 material is a bit wonky, further along in some of the production earmarks than 1999 material, but generally not as qualitatively good as the released material from eras it is wedged between. He was already in a different musical place by Spring 1984, although it was all still 'purple' until at least Winter 1985.

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I do believe that, if WB were give unlimited discretion, a compressed soundtrack release with 'Jungle Love' and 'The Bird' would have been something their management style would dictate, back in 2014 or even 2004.

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this album is called music from motion picture purple rain.

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ive never seen anywhere on the cover where it says "music from the motion picture".

savagedreams said:

master said:

this album is called music from motion picture purple rain.

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ive never seen anywhere on the cover where it says "music from the motion picture".

Look on the back of the LP cover.

savagedreams said:

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ive never seen anywhere on the cover where it says "music from the motion picture".

You ain't looked then.

It's on the record, too.

And the cassette.

Always has been.

PS I'm white knuckling it until the tracklist comes out. It's like working out trying to not get too riled up about a release like this. Because if I get too worked up, then the tracklist is disappointing, it's a huge let down. But if I try to stay more calm about it, then I can almost (not quite) take it with a grain of salt when it's revealed, then I can be blazé about buying it.

TrivialPursuit said:

PS I'm white knuckling it until the tracklist comes out. It's like working out trying to not get too riled up about a release like this. Because if I get too worked up, then the tracklist is disappointing, it's a huge let down. But if I try to stay more calm about it, then I can almost (not quite) take it with a grain of salt when it's revealed, then I can be blazé about buying it.

There's so much that would satisfy me but for years I've only wanted the full length Computer Blue in pristine quality. If it's not included, it could possibly be a deal breaker for me. However, if the other supplements are good, I'll cave.

So, besides the album, what tracks should be on the Reissue and what tracks could be on the Reissue?

blacknote said:

TrivialPursuit said:

PS I'm white knuckling it until the tracklist comes out. It's like working out trying to not get too riled up about a release like this. Because if I get too worked up, then the tracklist is disappointing, it's a huge let down. But if I try to stay more calm about it, then I can almost (not quite) take it with a grain of salt when it's revealed, then I can be blazé about buying it.

There's so much that would satisfy me but for years I've only wanted the full length Computer Blue in pristine quality. If it's not included, it could possibly be a deal breaker for me. However, if the other supplements are good, I'll cave.

I feel the same about Computer Blue. Let me ask you though, how will you feel if it sounds the same as the best quality bootleg in circulation like with Moonbeam Levels on 4ever?

TrivialPursuit said:

savagedreams said:

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ive never seen anywhere on the cover where it says "music from the motion picture".

You ain't looked then.

It's on the record, too.

And the cassette.

Always has been.

Good One!!

blacknote said:

TrivialPursuit said:

PS I'm white knuckling it until the tracklist comes out. It's like working out trying to not get too riled up about a release like this. Because if I get too worked up, then the tracklist is disappointing, it's a huge let down. But if I try to stay more calm about it, then I can almost (not quite) take it with a grain of salt when it's revealed, then I can be blazé about buying it.

There's so much that would satisfy me but for years I've only wanted the full length Computer Blue in pristine quality. If it's not included, it could possibly be a deal breaker for me. However, if the other supplements are good, I'll cave.

See, it's those concerns that have me bracing for whatever is coming. But on so many disks, there has to be something substantial like that, right? At least the 12" versions I would imagine. That's probably a safe bet, so we can forego thoughts on that. But the unreleased CB, or ...I don't know. This is why I can't think about it. haha

Whatever is on this compilation/set will be fine with me. George Clinton once said that if he and P were standing at urinals urinating, then P could record it and make a song about it, and that's my mind-set - whatever is going to be on it will make me happy. If it's new unheard songs all the better. If it's extended/uncut songs all the better. Whatever it is it'll be Prince and that's fine by me.

djThunderfunk said:

blacknote said:

There's so much that would satisfy me but for years I've only wanted the full length Computer Blue in pristine quality. If it's not included, it could possibly be a deal breaker for me. However, if the other supplements are good, I'll cave.

I feel the same about Computer Blue. Let me ask you though, how will you feel if it sounds the same as the best quality bootleg in circulation like with Moonbeam Levels on 4ever?

Hmmm, I'd probably still buy the set. However, I'd like to believe that any full length version of CB that comes from WB/Prince's archives has to be a slight improvement over what's circulating. The best quality version I have of CB is still kind of muddy.

jaypotton said:

I am with Databank on this. I would prefer Purple Rain remaster/deluxe to focus exclusively on Prince himself rather than protoges. Would actually love remastered Ice Cream Castles and Appolonia 6 (as well as The Glamorous Life). Still predicting that one of the "2 albums" will contain b sides and full length versions (such as Computer Blue) and the other disc will be "new" unreleased songs such as Electric Intercourse. Syracuse has to be one of the concert films. No idea about the other!

I agree. All that protege shit is too much, and frankly I don't care much about it. The Time could spearhead their own re-releases in an agreement with the estate if they wanted. There's too much from PR itself to consume and enjoy. Just the 12"s of singles & b-sides finally released on CD a treat. "Computer Blue" is pretty much expected at this point, as is "Electric Intercourse". There are a few other trinkets to add.

I hope Syracuse is not one of the concerts. We have it and frankly it needs the sound adjusted. There's no bass in it, and the treble is glaring and tinny. I tihnk possibly the Houston show is something to consider, or even the 1983 First Ave gig if there is a better shot of it (not likely though). I say Houston because it was used for "Take Me With U". Also Landover MD is another, because it's what was used for "I Would Die 4 U/Baby I'm A Star".

June will tell the truth, though, if not sooner. I expect we might possibly get a track list by April at some point.

i have a feeling the version of Electric Intercourse that is a variation of the well known rehearsal (wake up Wendy) is as close to a "studio" version that we will get.

Princevault said he did some overdubs to the "live" version from the fist ave show...but I do not think so. I had read that the edit of the rehearsal was fan made but i doubt that....

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SomeSoldier said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

i have a feeling the version of Electric Intercourse that is a variation of the well known rehearsal (wake up Wendy) is as close to a "studio" version that we will get.

Princevault said he did some overdubs to the "live" version from the fist ave show...but I do not think so. I had read that the edit of the rehearsal was fan made but i doubt that....

I don't know the story of the he song that well, but I though that it was pulled from the album fairly late, so there must be an 'album' version, presumably the First Avenue show with the same treatment and overdubs that Putple Rain and the other got.

yeah but the best version that is in circulation is the "wake up Wendy" rehearsal that seems to me to have overdubs... the raw version from fist ave is in my opinion not as good vocal as the rehearsal

OnlyNDaUsa said:

SomeSoldier said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah but the best version that is in circulation is the "wake up Wendy" rehearsal that seems to me to have overdubs... the raw version from fist ave is in my opinion not as good vocal as the rehearsal

Oh, I see what you mean. I tend to listen to the first avenue version instead, as the sound quality is a bit better and I frankly love it. We'll have to wait and see - presumably it will be part of the reissue, in one form or another.

the one i am talking about is the one where he says "mash-em" and "yes i will (Sorta like Morris)"

It's funny... everyone keeps talking about what songs may or may not be on the unreleased material disc, what concerts might have been dug out of the Vault, how many different configurations the packages might be in...

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...but no one seems to be excited that the press release states that "Purple Rain" itself is REMASTERED. I am praying that the actual original tapes were used to re-engineer the mastering, and give us a cleaner, deeper soundscape. I hope to God this isn't one of those "digital loudening" jobs that are considered a "remaster".

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And then the Prince Estate should get busy on remastering "Sign 'O' The Times".

GiggityGoo said:

It's funny... everyone keeps talking about what songs may or may not be on the unreleased material disc, what concerts might have been dug out of the Vault, how many different configurations the packages might be in...

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...but no one seems to be excited that the press release states that "Purple Rain" itself is REMASTERED. I am praying that the actual original tapes were used to re-engineer the mastering, and give us a cleaner, deeper soundscape. I hope to God this isn't one of those "digital loudening" jobs that are considered a "remaster".

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And then the Prince Estate should get busy on remastering "Sign 'O' The Times".

Ive always felt that PR sounded great as it is and didn't need remastering.

Iamtheorg said:

GiggityGoo said:

It's funny... everyone keeps talking about what songs may or may not be on the unreleased material disc, what concerts might have been dug out of the Vault, how many different configurations the packages might be in...

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...but no one seems to be excited that the press release states that "Purple Rain" itself is REMASTERED. I am praying that the actual original tapes were used to re-engineer the mastering, and give us a cleaner, deeper soundscape. I hope to God this isn't one of those "digital loudening" jobs that are considered a "remaster".

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And then the Prince Estate should get busy on remastering "Sign 'O' The Times".

Ive always felt that PR sounded great as it is and didn't need remastering.

Yeah same here. It'll be interesting to see what they do though, if it's terrible we still have the original.

Most modern day mastering is hideous, over compressed and brickwalled.

I'm more than happy with the original CD.