Thread started 02/18/17 2:45pmQueenofCardboa
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Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga included in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
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Reply #1 posted 02/18/17 2:54pm
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QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
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Reply #2 posted 02/18/17 2:59pm
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spaceboy said:
QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
Maybe the revenue/royalties?
Has anyone else noticed that these albums are not included in Wikipedia or Wiki Lyrics?
Maybe it is just an oversight.
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Reply #3 posted 02/18/17 3:01pm
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QueenofCardboard said:
spaceboy said:
QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
Maybe the revenue/royalties?
Has anyone else noticed that these albums are not included in Wikipedia or Wiki Lyrics?
Maybe it is just an oversight.
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Reply #4 posted 02/18/17 3:16pm
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Reply #5 posted 02/18/17 6:42pm
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QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
They're not Prince records. They're New Power Generation records.
However, you're not looking, because they're there: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Generation
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Reply #6 posted 02/18/17 7:10pm
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QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
Dear QueenofCardboard. Thank you for asking about these two albums. E and GN are often overlooked because they are credited to NPG. |
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Reply #9 posted 02/18/17 7:14pm
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TrivialPursuit said:
QueenofCardboard said:
Why aren't the albums Exodus and Gold Nigga listed in the Prince Discography on Wikipedia?
Is there something about them that disqualifies them?
They're not Prince records. They're New Power Generation records.
However, you're not looking, because they're there: https://en.wikipedia.org/...Generation
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Reply #10 posted 02/19/17 1:22am
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They are Prince records too and I agree they should be included in Prince discographies, just as the Madhouse albums should be too.
I see absolutely no point in separating releases by what artist name they were marketed under, wether it's "Prince & The Revolution", "Madhouse", "Prince & The NPG", "The New Power Generation", "The NPG Orchestra", "Prince & 3rd Eye Girl" or whatever. It's all Prince.
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Reply #11 posted 02/19/17 1:57am
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KaresB said:
They are Prince records too and I agree they should be included in Prince discographies, just as the Madhouse albums should be too.
I see absolutely no point in separating releases by what artist name they were marketed under, wether it's "Prince & The Revolution", "Madhouse", "Prince & The NPG", "The New Power Generation", "The NPG Orchestra", "Prince & 3rd Eye Girl" or whatever. It's all Prince.
The Madhouse and New Power Generation albums are rightfully separate from Prince albums in his discography just like The Family, The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and early Sheila E albums are not part of Prince's discography even though he wrote and performed most if not all the music on them.
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Reply #12 posted 02/19/17 2:38am
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sexton said:
KaresB said:
They are Prince records too and I agree they should be included in Prince discographies, just as the Madhouse albums should be too.
I see absolutely no point in separating releases by what artist name they were marketed under, wether it's "Prince & The Revolution", "Madhouse", "Prince & The NPG", "The New Power Generation", "The NPG Orchestra", "Prince & 3rd Eye Girl" or whatever. It's all Prince.
The Madhouse and New Power Generation albums are rightfully separate from Prince albums in his discography just like The Family, The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and early Sheila E albums are not part of Prince's discography even though he wrote and performed most if not all the music on them.
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The artists you mentioned are slightly different cases. I admit I would even include those releases in Prince discographies but I see the point of those who don't.
But in case of the 3 "NPG" albums and the 2 "Madhouse" albums, I see zero point in excluding them. These are purely marketing labels, totally meaningless. They are 100% Prince albums. There isn't a minute of music on them that wasn't produced by him.
Prince has even promoted 'New Power Soul' as his new album when it came out. Even the cover shows him and no-one else. How is that album any different to "Prince & The NPG" releases?
And Madhouse is totally, purely his project too. (Of course there were a few other contributing musicians on it – just like on his solo releases.)
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Reply #13 posted 02/19/17 2:45am
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KaresB said:
sexton said:
The Madhouse and New Power Generation albums are rightfully separate from Prince albums in his discography just like The Family, The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and early Sheila E albums are not part of Prince's discography even though he wrote and performed most if not all the music on them.
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The artists you mentioned are slightly different cases. I admit I would even include those releases in Prince discographies but I see the point of those who don't.
But in case of the 3 "NPG" albums and the 2 "Madhouse" albums, I see zero point in excluding them. These are purely marketing labels, totally meaningless. They are 100% Prince albums. There isn't a minute of music on them that wasn't produced by him.
Prince has even promoted 'New Power Soul' as his new album when it came out. Even the cover shows him and no-one else. How is that album any different to "Prince & The NPG" releases?
And Madhouse is totally, purely his project too. (Of course there were a few other contributing musicians on it – just like on his solo releases.)
I don't see the difference at all. The first Time and Vanity 6 albums were just vehicles for Prince to release more of his music that he felt didn't fit the Prince brand. How are those different from the Madhouse albums? Or Goldnigga and Exodus? There is no difference. But Prince wanted them to be apart form his own albums so that's how they are.
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Reply #14 posted 02/19/17 2:54am
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sexton said:
KaresB said:
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The artists you mentioned are slightly different cases. I admit I would even include those releases in Prince discographies but I see the point of those who don't.
But in case of the 3 "NPG" albums and the 2 "Madhouse" albums, I see zero point in excluding them. These are purely marketing labels, totally meaningless. They are 100% Prince albums. There isn't a minute of music on them that wasn't produced by him.
Prince has even promoted 'New Power Soul' as his new album when it came out. Even the cover shows him and no-one else. How is that album any different to "Prince & The NPG" releases?
And Madhouse is totally, purely his project too. (Of course there were a few other contributing musicians on it – just like on his solo releases.)
I don't see the difference at all. The first Time and Vanity 6 albums were just vehicles for Prince to release more of his music that he felt didn't fit the Prince brand. How are those different from the Madhouse albums? Or Goldnigga and Exodus? There is no difference.
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The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and The Family are projects created by Prince of course, yet they are projects that could stand on their own feet and perform.
The New Power Generation wasn't a stand-alone project, it's just a name Prince has chosen for his own band – and later decided to use the NPG name to create albums under, but The NPG (to my knowledge) never gave a concert without Prince.
Both 'Madhouse' and 'The NPG Orchestra' are fictious groups, simply marketing labels for Prince albums. [Edited 2/19/17 2:57am] |
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Reply #15 posted 02/19/17 3:17am
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KaresB said:
sexton said:
I don't see the difference at all. The first Time and Vanity 6 albums were just vehicles for Prince to release more of his music that he felt didn't fit the Prince brand. How are those different from the Madhouse albums? Or Goldnigga and Exodus? There is no difference.
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The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and The Family are projects created by Prince of course, yet they are projects that could stand on their own feet and perform.
The New Power Generation wasn't a stand-alone project, it's just a name Prince has chosen for his own band – and later decided to use the NPG name to create albums under, but The NPG (to my knowledge) never gave a concert without Prince.
Both 'Madhouse' and 'The NPG Orchestra' are fictious groups, simply marketing labels for Prince albums.
Madhouse has indeed performed on their own live in 1987 without Prince just like The Time, Vanity 6 and The Family so again, I see absolutely no difference there. You either include all those artists or none when compiling a Prince discography. The New Power Generation also performed without Prince after he died.
I would argue the first Time album is more of a Prince album than the first two New Power Generation albums because it was less a collaborative effort and Prince's vocals are all over it just like the NPG albums.
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Reply #16 posted 02/19/17 3:40am
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sexton said:
KaresB said:
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The Time, Vanity 6, Apollonia 6 and The Family are projects created by Prince of course, yet they are projects that could stand on their own feet and perform.
The New Power Generation wasn't a stand-alone project, it's just a name Prince has chosen for his own band – and later decided to use the NPG name to create albums under, but The NPG (to my knowledge) never gave a concert without Prince.
Both 'Madhouse' and 'The NPG Orchestra' are fictious groups, simply marketing labels for Prince albums.
Madhouse has indeed performed on their own live in 1987 without Prince just like The Time, Vanity 6 and The Family so again, I see absolutely no difference there. You either include all those artists or none when compiling a Prince discography. The New Power Generation also performed without Prince after he died.
I would argue the first Time album is more of a Prince album than the first two New Power Generation albums because it was less a collaborative effort and Prince's vocals are all over it just like the NPG albums.
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Performing without Prince is just one of the many different criteria that can be used to decide whether a project should be considered part of Prince's core discography or not.
Again: Madhouse was a fictional band. Prince putting together a bunch of is own musicians to perform without him using the 'Madhouse' name on the SOTT tour does not make it a genuine band.
The NPG was the name given by Prince to his OWN backing band. The 3 "NPG" albums are 100% Prince albums.
If you want to exclude the 3 "NPG" and 2 "Madhouse" albums from Prince's core catalog, then exclude releases by "3rd Eye Girl", "The NPG Orchestra" – or even those by " ", "Prince & The Revolution" and "Prince & The NPG" too. (Newsflash for you: "The Revolution" has also performed without Prince after his death...)
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Reply #17 posted 02/19/17 3:55am
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Reply #18 posted 02/19/17 10:52am
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KaresB said:
sexton said:
Madhouse has indeed performed on their own live in 1987 without Prince just like The Time, Vanity 6 and The Family so again, I see absolutely no difference there. You either include all those artists or none when compiling a Prince discography. The New Power Generation also performed without Prince after he died.
I would argue the first Time album is more of a Prince album than the first two New Power Generation albums because it was less a collaborative effort and Prince's vocals are all over it just like the NPG albums.
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Performing without Prince is just one of the many different criteria that can be used to decide whether a project should be considered part of Prince's core discography or not.
Again: Madhouse was a fictional band. Prince putting together a bunch of is own musicians to perform without him using the 'Madhouse' name on the SOTT tour does not make it a genuine band.
The NPG was the name given by Prince to his OWN backing band. The 3 "NPG" albums are 100% Prince albums.
If you want to exclude the 3 "NPG" and 2 "Madhouse" albums from Prince's core catalog, then exclude releases by "3rd Eye Girl", "The NPG Orchestra" – or even those by "", "Prince & The Revolution" and "Prince & The NPG" too. (Newsflash for you: "The Revolution" has also performed without Prince after his death...)
The Time began as a bunch of Prince's own musicians to perform without him. Does that mean they weren't a genuine band too?
How can the first two New Power Generation albums be 100% Prince when he doesn't even provide the lead vocals? Again, no difference there between them and The Time.
I would indeed also exclude The NPG Orchestra and the 3RdEyeGirl single "Live Out Loud" from Prince's discography. Those other iterations all have Prince or in the credit line so those should be included.
The Revolution never released any music not also credited to Prince so they are irrelevent to this discussion.
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Reply #19 posted 02/19/17 12:12pm
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It would seem the golden rule would be the lead vocal on the majority of the album. But New Power Soul, by that rule, is a Prince album (since he puts his lead vocal on the tracks, and even includes personal songs and a hidden track). But, for some reason, he called it a seperate band album. I think this was a one off idea... where there is no lead in the brand name like most bands operate but he is the lead singer.
I do wonder if a mixdown exists of "Exodus" with Prince lead vocals on everything. I would accept a Trump press conference for a version of "Return of the Bumpsquad" with Prince lead vocals! |
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Reply #20 posted 02/19/17 12:24pm
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ufoclub said: It would seem the golden rule would be the lead vocal on the majority of the album. But New Power Soul, by that rule, is a Prince album (since he puts his lead vocal on the tracks, and even includes personal songs and a hidden track). But, for some reason, he called it a seperate band album. I think this was a one off idea... where there is no lead in the brand name like most bands operate but he is the lead singer. I do wonder if a mixdown exists of "Exodus" with Prince lead vocals on everything. I would accept a Trump press conference for a version of "Return of the Bumpsquad" with Prince lead vocals! Get Wild with P vocals surfaced so there's hope for the others. We also have the Hallucination Rain sound-check , which is awesome. Even though he's not lead on all tracks Exodus is one of my favourite albums. |
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Reply #21 posted 02/19/17 12:43pm
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Eh, I think we should show respect to Prince and file them under the name he released them under. Clearly there's a matter of intent and he wanted a New Power Generation album to mean something different to a Prince album.
Besides which, normally these albums were more collaborative in one way or another than albums released under his own name. |
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Reply #22 posted 02/19/17 12:48pm
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KaresB said:
They are Prince records too and I agree they should be included in Prince discographies, just as the Madhouse albums should be too.
I see absolutely no point in separating releases by what artist name they were marketed under, wether it's "Prince & The Revolution", "Madhouse", "Prince & The NPG", "The New Power Generation", "The NPG Orchestra", "Prince & 3rd Eye Girl" or whatever. It's all Prince.
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Is Prince's Wikipedia discography "locked"?
If not, anyone (hopefully, experienced with a Wikipedia account) CAN EDIT AND ADD THOSE.
It should be done.
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Reply #23 posted 02/19/17 5:06pm
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ufoclub said:
It would seem the golden rule would be the lead vocal on the majority of the album. But New Power Soul, by that rule, is a Prince album (since he puts his lead vocal on the tracks, and even includes personal songs and a hidden track). But, for some reason, he called it a seperate band album. I think this was a one off idea... where there is no lead in the brand name like most bands operate but he is the lead singer.
Then there are the Madhouse albums which have no vocals. On those I consider the sax to be the de facto lead vocal which is why the Madhouse 24 songs were later credited to Eric Leeds on his Times Squared album.
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