laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

paisleypearl said:

Just a personal note- I've had them packing and not packing and they were all so size does not matter. Can we stop focusing on his penis size unless we are also going to share our own tightness or muscle tone? It's just vulgar or at least irrelevant. [Edited 2/2/17 22:53pm]

We probably could, but historically we haven't. LOL

Personally, I can't make any promises cuz I'm nosey as heck when it comes to all things P. Sorry, not sorry.

So, since you asked...tight...not just tight for a woman my age (55), but tight for a woman of any age. Good genetics I guess.

[Edited 2/2/17 23:00pm]

LBrent said:

paisleypearl said:

LBrent said:

We probably could, but historically we haven't. LOL

Personally, I can't make any promises cuz I'm nosey as heck when it comes to all things P. Sorry, not sorry.

So, since you asked...tight...not just tight for a woman my age (55), but tight for a woman of any age. Good genetics I guess.

[Edited 2/2/17 23:00pm]

Ha ha ha! Well there ya go. (Read Devin's book, just sayin')

Eh, I'm bored...and I have Kindle Unlimited so it'll be free for me to read it, so...I'll be right back after I read it.

I think that Prince's childhood carried over into adulthood - the stigma of being abandoned caused him to forever feel unworthy of love. As a result, as far as relationships went he was a self-saboteur. He couldn't help it. End it first, I guess, so he wouldn't be hurt. I also think it's overlooked how deeply his son's death affected him, and how it set him on a 21 year journey to find out the purpose behind it. Yeah, he had girlfriends and lovers but maintain a long-term relationship ? Sad as it was, it was never gonna happen for him.

laurarichardson said:

paisleypearl said:

Devin did NOT know about the other women. I read Devin's book.

-Really because I remember her saying in an interview he tried to get her come to Paris to see him and she asked him about Susan. I am not sure how she would not have known about Susan.

Spoliers for Devin's book (if anyone cares): She did know about Susannah, but only after the end of the first phase of their affair, after he told her he couldn't see her anymore because he was now living with someone. At the time, she says, it came out of the blue, and it was only afterwards she found out he was basically on a break with Susannah when he met her/seduced her (and it was a (pretty elaborate) seduction). Then he phoned her and asked her to come to France, even though he was still with Susannah, and she said no, because of that.

3rdeyedude said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Women like big sticks, too. And from all indications, P was holding. I'm just saying...

It would not have made a difference. His cash and fame would have made up for what he lacked down below. I hate to bring up Donald Trump but he seems like a guy with 'small penis syndrome'. You think Melania cares about that? If you hit the lottery, would you care about how big your partners private parts were? Plus, Prince made albums and songs for and about these women. They must have been in heaven for the 3 to 6 month period he was with them all. Again, I'm sure his fucked up childhood made him unable to get too close to anyone. But he didn't give a fuck because he was rich as fuck and was a superstar.

1. You think we're all Melania? Right, yeah. We'd all totally fuck Donald given half a chance because he's rich. Ho ho ho.

2. You think P didn't give a fuck about the fact he basically screwed up almost all of his relationships? The man who wrote songs about how love and lust aren't the same thing, and about how life without love was hell, and asking 'what the hell is wrong with me,' and based an entire stage show on the conflict between 'bad' sexy Prince and 'good' holy Prince, and never stopped singing songs about loneliness, and ended up crying at Montreux when he sung the Breakdown. You really think P was that damn shallow? That the man who made all that very emotional music was as superficial as to care only about his status and wealth, which he persistently claimed he didn't care that much about. I think he cared very much. I just don't think he ever worked out how to sort it out - because that would have involved dealing directly with the pain of the abadonment, and it was too painful, and he couldn't do it.

[Edited 2/3/17 1:08am]

jayseajay said:

3rdeyedude said:

It would not have made a difference. His cash and fame would have made up for what he lacked down below. I hate to bring up Donald Trump but he seems like a guy with 'small penis syndrome'. You think Melania cares about that? If you hit the lottery, would you care about how big your partners private parts were? Plus, Prince made albums and songs for and about these women. They must have been in heaven for the 3 to 6 month period he was with them all. Again, I'm sure his fucked up childhood made him unable to get too close to anyone. But he didn't give a fuck because he was rich as fuck and was a superstar.

1. You think we're all Melania? Right, yeah. We'd all totally fuck Donald given half a chance because he's rich. Ho ho ho.

2. You think P didn't give a fuck about the fact he basically screwed up almost all of his relationships? The man who wrote songs about how love and lust aren't the same thing, and about how life without love was hell, and asking 'what the hell is wrong with me,' and based an entire stage show on the conflict between 'bad' sexy Prince and 'good' holy Prince, and never stopped singing songs about loneliness, and ended up crying at Montreux when he sung the Breakdown. You really think P was that damn shallow? That the man who made all that very emotional music was as superficial as to care only about his status and wealth, which he persistently claimed he didn't care that much about. I think he cared very much. I just don't think he ever worked out how to sort it out - because that would have involved dealing directly with the pain of the abadonment, and it was too painful, and he couldn't do it.

[Edited 2/3/17 1:08am]

I truly wish I could remember the interveiw, but whomever was speaking asked P why he needed to do "everything"...write, play the music, work the equipment, etc...and P said something like, "I need to do it all cuz what if everybody leaves me?"

I remember how that broke my heart.

rednblue said:

CatB said:

This man had a personality and a magnetism that went far beyond his music, fame or physical things. For me the attraction had nothing to do with all of that. All this u could get from others too. But there was only one Prince. Of course his world was exciting (at first look...) but it was his inner worlds that attracted me and other girls too. To only see a sugar daddy or womanizer in him would be too easy and doesn't do him justice.

Beautiful words.

And I mean it.

ChanGirl said:

I think that Prince's childhood carried over into adulthood - the stigma of being abandoned caused him to forever feel unworthy of love. As a result, as far as relationships went he was a self-saboteur. He couldn't help it. End it first, I guess, so he wouldn't be hurt. I also think it's overlooked how deeply his son's death affected him, and how it set him on a 21 year journey to find out the purpose behind it. Yeah, he had girlfriends and lovers but maintain a long-term relationship ? Sad as it was, it was never gonna happen for him.

This. Only that he could not be the one to end it. He'd bitch and ice u out, act in ways that made YOU go but he could not say it's over (unless in a rage). His old fear of abandonment. And I think that was also the reason why he never had only one relationship at a time - when one leaves, there will still be another one.

lemoncrush19 said:

CatB said:

"You knew I was a slut when you got with me" - Is that the best argument you got?

LBrent said:

jayseajay said:

1. You think we're all Melania? Right, yeah. We'd all totally fuck Donald given half a chance because he's rich. Ho ho ho.

2. You think P didn't give a fuck about the fact he basically screwed up almost all of his relationships? The man who wrote songs about how love and lust aren't the same thing, and about how life without love was hell, and asking 'what the hell is wrong with me,' and based an entire stage show on the conflict between 'bad' sexy Prince and 'good' holy Prince, and never stopped singing songs about loneliness, and ended up crying at Montreux when he sung the Breakdown. You really think P was that damn shallow? That the man who made all that very emotional music was as superficial as to care only about his status and wealth, which he persistently claimed he didn't care that much about. I think he cared very much. I just don't think he ever worked out how to sort it out - because that would have involved dealing directly with the pain of the abadonment, and it was too painful, and he couldn't do it.

[Edited 2/3/17 1:08am]

I truly wish I could remember the interveiw, but whomever was speaking asked P why he needed to do "everything"...write, play the music, work the equipment, etc...and P said something like, "I need to do it all cuz what if everybody leaves me?"

I remember how that broke my heart.

It was one of the two Rolling Stone/Neal Karlen interviews if I remember. The second one I think

And yeah, it is heartbreaking. I wish he'd been able to deal with it. I think maybe being such a genuis (and being so attractive) made it much easier for him not to. There was always a place to move on to, so he just kept moving.... (and deciding time/the past didn't exist was a pretty convenient way of justifying that to himself). I read an early interview the other day (81) when he mentions having therapy to try and work it out (and also I think the 'my mum left porn all over the place that's why' explanation he came out with a few time (no P, not that))...so, early on at least, it seems he did want to get to the bottom of it...

NouveauDance said:

"You knew I was a slut when you got with me" - Is that the best argument you got?

Some of them did know and have said so. Some women will know a man is going to run around but have it in their heads that they can change that man when there is no chance of that happening.

Men change when they want to change. I think he had a rought childhood which made him no trust and I think he liked being a dog. Kind of like nerds revenge and the music industry which is filled with hookers, hustlers and freaks did not help.

That makes a lot of sense. I also think, if it's true that it was a response to the sense of worthlessness stemming from the abandonment, and that is never dealt with directly, then no amount of love/affection/desire being attached to him is ever going to do anything other than make it feel temporarily better, and he's going to have to keep doing it again and again and again. He can attract the desire of half the women on the planet, it still won't change the fact that his mother rejected him/let him leave/chose his stepfather over him/subjected him to a violent man. If standing on a stage night after night with the love of thousands of people being beamed at you doesn't do it, then the desire of however many women simultaneously won't. And if you feel ashamed and worthless, it will seem impossible to show people what is in your core, because you think they will be repulsed and leave you (which is what the Compuer Blue hallway speech is all about)...and so, even if you are a world class expert at attracting and trapping (like butterflies) women's desire (which he was), you still won't feel like you are loved for who you really are, that you have been truly seen, recognized and accepted.

CatB said:

rednblue said:

And I mean it.

ChanGirl said:

I think that Prince's childhood carried over into adulthood - the stigma of being abandoned caused him to forever feel unworthy of love. As a result, as far as relationships went he was a self-saboteur. He couldn't help it. End it first, I guess, so he wouldn't be hurt. I also think it's overlooked how deeply his son's death affected him, and how it set him on a 21 year journey to find out the purpose behind it. Yeah, he had girlfriends and lovers but maintain a long-term relationship ? Sad as it was, it was never gonna happen for him.

This. Only that he could not be the one to end it. He'd bitch and ice u out, act in ways that made YOU go but he could not say it's over (unless in a rage). His old fear of abandonment. And I think that was also the reason why he never had only one relationship at a time - when one leaves, there will still be another one.

[Edited 2/3/17 4:32am]

jayseajay said:

LBrent said:

I truly wish I could remember the interveiw, but whomever was speaking asked P why he needed to do "everything"...write, play the music, work the equipment, etc...and P said something like, "I need to do it all cuz what if everybody leaves me?"

I remember how that broke my heart.

It was one of the two Rolling Stone/Neal Karlen interviews if I remember. The second one I think

And yeah, it is heartbreaking. I wish he'd been able to deal with it. I think maybe being such a genuis (and being so attractive) made it much easier for him not to. There was always a place to move on to, so he just kept moving.... (and deciding time/the past didn't exist was a pretty convenient way of justifying that to himself). I read an early interview the other day (81) when he mentions having therapy to try and work it out (and also I think the 'my mum left porn all over the place that's why' explanation he came out with a few time (no P, not that))...so, early on at least, it seems he did want to get to the bottom of it...

The other thing I thought of was...I'm sure y'all have heard in the news over the past few years that a gal started a business where clients book time with her to cuddle with them in bed. It's not a sexual thing, just cuddling. She said she had alot of male clients who just want to have that sort of connection with someone, sorta a comfort thing, but no sex.

I think sometimes that's what P wanted, but being who he was and his reputation, he would've been too embarrassed about asking simply to cuddle when in reality that might've been all he wanted. On the side of the female, I don't think many would've understood that. I think, as odd as it may sound, he might've simply wanted to be held but it turned into sex cuz he was afraid it'd be weird otherwise.

Just a thought.

paisleypearl said:

CatB said:

This. Only that he could not be the one to end it. He'd bitch and ice u out, act in ways that made YOU go but he could not say it's over (unless in a rage). His old fear of abandonment. And I think that was also the reason why he never had only one relationship at a time - when one leaves, there will still be another one.

Did you see him in a rage? Was there a lot of pillowtalk or did he fall asleep/get up and goof off? And what the heck was there to bitch about? [Edited 2/3/17 3:18am]

He had a temper and that's no secret. I think his bitching came from fear and from his expectation that everyone else must have the same views and ethics as him. That inner child was in charge of him and I personally still believe that he had some form of autism. He didn't have the average person's ways to communicate.

LBrent said:

jayseajay said:

It was one of the two Rolling Stone/Neal Karlen interviews if I remember. The second one I think

And yeah, it is heartbreaking. I wish he'd been able to deal with it. I think maybe being such a genuis (and being so attractive) made it much easier for him not to. There was always a place to move on to, so he just kept moving.... (and deciding time/the past didn't exist was a pretty convenient way of justifying that to himself). I read an early interview the other day (81) when he mentions having therapy to try and work it out (and also I think the 'my mum left porn all over the place that's why' explanation he came out with a few time (no P, not that))...so, early on at least, it seems he did want to get to the bottom of it...

The other thing I thought of was...I'm sure y'all have heard in the news over the past few years that a gal started a business where clients book time with her to cuddle with them in bed. It's not a sexual thing, just cuddling. She said she had alot of male clients who just want to have that sort of connection with someone, sorta a comfort thing, but no sex.

I think sometimes that's what P wanted, but being who he was and his reputation, he would've been too embarrassed about asking simply to cuddle when in reality that might've been all he wanted. On the side of the female, I don't think many would've understood that. I think, as odd as it may sound, he might've simply wanted to be held but it turned into sex cuz he was afraid it'd be weird otherwise.

Just a thought.

P was a big cuddler and he could be like a baby.

CatB said:

paisleypearl said:

CatB said:

The other thing I thought of was...I'm sure y'all have heard in the news over the past few years that a gal started a business where clients book time with her to cuddle with them in bed. It's not a sexual thing, just cuddling. She said she had alot of male clients who just want to have that sort of connection with someone, sorta a comfort thing, but no sex.

I think sometimes that's what P wanted, but being who he was and his reputation, he would've been too embarrassed about asking simply to cuddle when in reality that might've been all he wanted. On the side of the female, I don't think many would've understood that. I think, as odd as it may sound, he might've simply wanted to be held but it turned into sex cuz he was afraid it'd be weird otherwise.

Just a thought.

P was a big cuddler and he could be like a baby.

Ok, my heart just melted and I got teary.

Damn that lil complicated man.

CatB said:

LBrent said:

jayseajay said:

It was one of the two Rolling Stone/Neal Karlen interviews if I remember. The second one I think

And yeah, it is heartbreaking. I wish he'd been able to deal with it. I think maybe being such a genuis (and being so attractive) made it much easier for him not to. There was always a place to move on to, so he just kept moving.... (and deciding time/the past didn't exist was a pretty convenient way of justifying that to himself). I read an early interview the other day (81) when he mentions having therapy to try and work it out (and also I think the 'my mum left porn all over the place that's why' explanation he came out with a few time (no P, not that))...so, early on at least, it seems he did want to get to the bottom of it...

The other thing I thought of was...I'm sure y'all have heard in the news over the past few years that a gal started a business where clients book time with her to cuddle with them in bed. It's not a sexual thing, just cuddling. She said she had alot of male clients who just want to have that sort of connection with someone, sorta a comfort thing, but no sex.

I think sometimes that's what P wanted, but being who he was and his reputation, he would've been too embarrassed about asking simply to cuddle when in reality that might've been all he wanted. On the side of the female, I don't think many would've understood that. I think, as odd as it may sound, he might've simply wanted to be held but it turned into sex cuz he was afraid it'd be weird otherwise.

Just a thought.

I wonder also if that's also connected to what all the bathing was about (in part at least). It's the thing your mother does for you...just that kind of pure, unconditional care and tenderness. Sometimes people do things to others because it is what they want themselves, and for whatever reason they can't ask...

paisleypearl said:

CatB you think he was autistic why?

Baby boy was definitely on the spectrum...probably high functioning Aspberger's.

Lol

jayseajay said:

LBrent said:

The other thing I thought of was...I'm sure y'all have heard in the news over the past few years that a gal started a business where clients book time with her to cuddle with them in bed. It's not a sexual thing, just cuddling. She said she had alot of male clients who just want to have that sort of connection with someone, sorta a comfort thing, but no sex.

I think sometimes that's what P wanted, but being who he was and his reputation, he would've been too embarrassed about asking simply to cuddle when in reality that might've been all he wanted. On the side of the female, I don't think many would've understood that. I think, as odd as it may sound, he might've simply wanted to be held but it turned into sex cuz he was afraid it'd be weird otherwise.

Just a thought.

I wonder also if that's also connected to what all the bathing was about (in part at least). It's the thing your mother does for you...just that kind of pure, unconditional care and tenderness. Sometimes people do things to others because it is what they want themselves, and for whatever reason they can't ask...

Very very good points.

paisleypearl said:

CatB said:

P was a big cuddler and he could be like a baby.

He's sounding bipolar now, mad as hell one minute, then lovey Dovey and apologetic. He was clearly out of control in his personal life either from boredom or mental illness. At least he wasn't boring. He didn't sleep, that can cause all kinds of problems. He was so much smaller than most men maybe he thought he needed to be tough to get their respect, plus he had that deep voice he liked to be all manly with. I'm done crying over this guy, now I just gaze at the sexy pics and videos and enjoy his voice.

To me that sounds more like someone with Borderline Personality Disorder. Or autistic like it was already mentioned.

paisleypearl said:

CatB you think he was autistic why?

Because he was living in his own world and didn't communicate like the average person. Yes, he could do that but very often he'd expect everyone around him to know what was going on inside him or he'd communicate through the music. Psychologists say we stage our desires, P put into song (or mind games and drama) what he couldn't articulate.

CatB said:

paisleypearl said:

CatB you think he was autistic why?

Because he was living in his own world and didn't communicate like the average person. Yes, he could do that but very often he'd expect everyone around him to know what was going on inside him or he'd communicate through the music. Psychologists say we stage our desires, P put into song (or mind games and drama) what he couldn't articulate.

This made me laugh cuz it reminds me of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory, a genius who often doesn't recognize simple social ques and communication cuz he lives in his own little world of science, as opposed to P's world of music.

LBrent said:

jayseajay said:

I wonder also if that's also connected to what all the bathing was about (in part at least). It's the thing your mother does for you...just that kind of pure, unconditional care and tenderness. Sometimes people do things to others because it is what they want themselves, and for whatever reason they can't ask...

Very very good points.

I know *sniff*. (ETA: Now I realize it looks like I'm agreeing with your comment, rather than with your emoticon...d'oh)

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