LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said: --Exactly, On one of the gossip blogs years ago a source side he would break it down to the women in that exact way.

Actually, being that 1+1+1 is 3 is from The Rainbow Children, I'm gonna go out a limb and say that the lyrics are referencing the Biblical scripture that talks about marraige being a "three fold cord", namely the two partners and G*d.

Most good poetry is meaningful on at least two levels.

You may be right, but that doesn't rule out the other interpretations.

QueenofCardboard said:

LBrent said:

Actually, being that 1+1+1 is 3 is from The Rainbow Children, I'm gonna go out a limb and say that the lyrics are referencing the Biblical scripture that talks about marraige being a "three fold cord", namely the two partners and G*d.

Most good poetry is meaningful on at least two levels.

You may be right, but that doesn't rule out the other interpretations.

Anything's possible.

As you wish.

Vashtix said:

He had women during those years come out with details of their time with him; dates and stuff so that is just a wish. He always had many women around and they all fell in love with him it seems from what I read. In fact it I think it was Maya's You tube vid that confirmed Prince was a G and tried it - and there was always girls around.

Hi Vashtix, it's Cat!

Mumio said:

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

Same here and I speak for the 90's. He was still the same. Here in Europe he had a different life, friends from the States are always surprised. Over here things are more casual in general. We don't do the dating thing, the rules and this defining what one has with another one. You just get together and enjoy the time.

GimmeThat said:

Anyone who "dated" P and was shocked to find out that he had other women had to be willfully ignorant. He was who he was.

Exactly!

CatB said:

Vashtix said:

He had women during those years come out with details of their time with him; dates and stuff so that is just a wish. He always had many women around and they all fell in love with him it seems from what I read. In fact it I think it was Maya's You tube vid that confirmed Prince was a G and tried it - and there was always girls around.

Hi Vashtix, it's Cat!

Mumio said:

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

Same here and I speak for the 90's. He was still the same. Here in Europe he had a different life, friends from the States are always surprised. Over here things are more casual in general. We don't do the dating thing, the rules and this defining what one has with another one. You just get together and enjoy the time.

I loved the MTV awards story you told on another thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/429588?jump=208&pg=7), and it was very generous of you to tell it to us. I have a question, re: current thread topic, but please ignore it if it's not a good question. You've already been very generous with what you've shared!

My question is, when you describe Prince having a surprisingly different life in Europe, do you mean he was more able to deal with the women he loved exercising their own freedom?

rednblue said:

CatB said:

Same here and I speak for the 90's. He was still the same. Here in Europe he had a different life, friends from the States are always surprised. Over here things are more casual in general. We don't do the dating thing, the rules and this defining what one has with another one. You just get together and enjoy the time.

I loved the MTV awards story you told on another thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/429588?jump=208&pg=7), and it was very generous of you to tell it to us. I have a question, re: current thread topic, but please ignore it if it's not a good question. You've already been very generous with what you've shared!

My question is, when you describe Prince having a surprisingly different life in Europe, do you mean he was more able to deal with the women he loved exercising their own freedom?

Good question rednblue

rednblue said:

CatB said:

Same here and I speak for the 90's. He was still the same. Here in Europe he had a different life, friends from the States are always surprised. Over here things are more casual in general. We don't do the dating thing, the rules and this defining what one has with another one. You just get together and enjoy the time.

I loved the MTV awards story you told on another thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/429588?jump=208&pg=7), and it was very generous of you to tell it to us. I have a question, re: current thread topic, but please ignore it if it's not a good question. You've already been very generous with what you've shared!

My question is, when you describe Prince having a surprisingly different life in Europe, do you mean he was more able to deal with the women he loved exercising their own freedom?

I can't tell what was really going on inside his head but I'd say yes, he had an easier time here not to control or define. I met him again later and it was always casual. I'm a free spirit, as many here, and I think he understood that. Not sure if he could have lived like that permanently, though.

CatB said:

rednblue said:

I loved the MTV awards story you told on another thread (http://prince.org/msg/7/429588?jump=208&pg=7), and it was very generous of you to tell it to us. I have a question, re: current thread topic, but please ignore it if it's not a good question. You've already been very generous with what you've shared!

My question is, when you describe Prince having a surprisingly different life in Europe, do you mean he was more able to deal with the women he loved exercising their own freedom?

I can't tell what was really going on inside his head but I'd say yes, he had an easier time here not to control or define. I met him again later and it was always casual. I'm a free spirit, as many here, and I think he understood that. Not sure if he could have lived like that permanently, though.

Thanks for all, including your description of a culture beyond my world in the U.S. You are very generous!

[Edited 2/1/17 5:21am]

lemoncrush19 said:

why judging? prince's women may have been young but were all adults. maybe some not really grownups but adults. he didn't make a secret of his way to live and any of those women had the right and the possibilty to make her choices. nobody is perfect and every medallion has its backside but I'm pretty sure prince never intended to hurt somebody. he just did what he could and got himself hurt too often by trying to protect himself. as if we all were pure logic and able to handle our emotions and fears in a perfect way ... on the other hand he gave very much on so many levels. that's why so many women wanted and chose to be with him. and they all profited by him (and more than one of them left him after reaching her goals btw ... remember e.g. the line in UTCM "women don't love u they use u and when they used u up they're gone" pure fiction? don't think so). if their expectations were to change him or something else surreal that no man (not only prince) could have satisfied it wasn't actually his fault. IMO ... don't want to offend someone... just sayin ... [Edited 1/29/17 7:32am]

Vashtix said:

1Sasha said:

There were, what, about 70 pages on here regarding Andy Allo being his one and only for about five years - the last years of his life. If so, what a turnaround after over 35 years of multiple women.

He had women during those years come out with details of their time with him; dates and stuff so that is just a wish. He always had many women around and they all fell in love with him it seems from what I read. In fact it I think it was Maya's You tube vid that confirmed Prince was a G and tried it - and there was always girls around.

I don't think anyone suggested that Andy was Prince's only lover during his final years, although she might very well have been. I maintain that she was his only love during that time, indeed his last love. There is a difference.

BTW: Let us hope that the Prince and Andy threads will soon return.

1Sasha said:

I have to say the one thing which surprised me was that someone who was reportedly as "active" as Prince did not have an out-of-wedlock child out there. Was he safe with each and every woman he was with? That kind of track record in rock stars is remarkable.

(Cough) Cat (Cough)

3rdeyedude said:

LBrent said:

Until the time comes when I have more than tabloid headlines to tell me thus, I'll continue to beleive that he didn't.

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

Women like big sticks, too. And from all indications, P was holding. I'm just saying...

FlyOnTheWall said:

3rdeyedude said:

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

Women like big sticks, too. And from all indications, P was holding. I'm just saying...

laurarichardson said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

lemoncrush19 said:

why judging? prince's women may have been young but were all adults. maybe some not really grownups but adults. he didn't make a secret of his way to live and any of those women had the right and the possibilty to make her choices. nobody is perfect and every medallion has its backside but I'm pretty sure prince never intended to hurt somebody. he just did what he could and got himself hurt too often by trying to protect himself. as if we all were pure logic and able to handle our emotions and fears in a perfect way ... on the other hand he gave very much on so many levels. that's why so many women wanted and chose to be with him. and they all profited by him (and more than one of them left him after reaching her goals btw ... remember e.g. the line in UTCM "women don't love u they use u and when they used u up they're gone" pure fiction? don't think so). if their expectations were to change him or something else surreal that no man (not only prince) could have satisfied it wasn't actually his fault. IMO ... don't want to offend someone... just sayin ... [Edited 1/29/17 7:32am]

Why is it judging, on a thread called "Prince and Open Relationships," to say that it seemed Prince and his partners often weren't at all comfortable with an open relationship? In some of these relationships, Prince made clear, in his music, that he was hurt by the women straying. The women, in turn, made clear that they were hurt by his straying. In some of these relationships, Prince and his partner were deeply in love with one another. Is it primarily judging to find it sad that two people who are deeply in love with one another both get hurt? To me, thinking about how this sometimes involved people who were extremely generous to the whole wide world, to music and also in their personal space with one another, if anything, makes it even more sad.

From what I understand, some people can be more carefree, and find fun and joy vs. jealousy in a relationship where the partners are free. From what I understand, this was more the norm in certain times and places. Shouldn't we not judge and not find it an insult, whether someone is or isn't comfortable with open relationships?

rednblue said:

FlyOnTheWall said:

Why is it judging, on a thread called "Prince and Open Relationships," to say that it seemed Prince and his partners often weren't at all comfortable with an open relationship? In some of these relationships, Prince made clear, in his music, that he was hurt by the women straying. The women, in turn, made clear that they were hurt by his straying. In some of these relationships, Prince and his partner were deeply in love with one another. Is it primarily judging to find it sad that two people who are deeply in love with one another both get hurt? To me, thinking about how this sometimes involved people who were extremely generous to the whole wide world, to music and also in their personal space with one another, if anything, makes it even more sad.

From what I understand, some people can be more carefree, and find fun and joy vs. jealousy in a relationship where the partners are free. From what I understand, this was more the norm in certain times and places. Shouldn't we not judge and not find it an insult, whether someone is or isn't comfortable with open relationships?

in my world: no. we shouldn't. and I won't bring all those "we don't have all informations", "it's none of our business", "prince was private" etc. etc. stuff now though all of that is true. in MY world it's crucial NOT 2 judge. I mean: never. right or wrong, good or bad ... I don't think in terms like that.

I'm like this: I know what's good 4 ME. and I am the only person on that planet that can change things if I don't like them the way they are. if I'm not comfortable in a situation - let it be a job, a lifestyle or a relationship - I am free 2 change it. no one else can. and no one else is to blame.

BUT how can I know what's good 4 someone else? I know what I woud have done in that situation. does that mean it would have been the right choice 4 anybody else as well? no. definitly not. xxx wasn't comfortable in a relationship with prince 4 whatever reason? well ... she had the chance 2 leave him.

it's that simple. at least in my world. and I know prince's world was like that too. but that doesn't mean U or anybody else on this board has 2 think or act the same way. I would never judge. just sharing my opinion in case anybody is interested.

lemoncrush19 said:

rednblue said:

Why is it judging, on a thread called "Prince and Open Relationships," to say that it seemed Prince and his partners often weren't at all comfortable with an open relationship? In some of these relationships, Prince made clear, in his music, that he was hurt by the women straying. The women, in turn, made clear that they were hurt by his straying. In some of these relationships, Prince and his partner were deeply in love with one another. Is it primarily judging to find it sad that two people who are deeply in love with one another both get hurt? To me, thinking about how this sometimes involved people who were extremely generous to the whole wide world, to music and also in their personal space with one another, if anything, makes it even more sad.

From what I understand, some people can be more carefree, and find fun and joy vs. jealousy in a relationship where the partners are free. From what I understand, this was more the norm in certain times and places. Shouldn't we not judge and not find it an insult, whether someone is or isn't comfortable with open relationships?

in my world: no. we shouldn't. and I won't bring all those "we don't have all informations", "it's none of our business", "prince was private" etc. etc. stuff now though all of that is true. in MY world it's crucial NOT 2 judge. I mean: never. right or wrong, good or bad ... I don't think in terms like that.

I'm like this: I know what's good 4 ME. and I am the only person on that planet that can change things if I don't like them the way they are. if I'm not comfortable in a situation - let it be a job, a lifestyle or a relationship - I am free 2 change it. no one else can. and no one else is to blame.

BUT how can I know what's good 4 someone else? I know what I woud have done in that situation. does that mean it would have been the right choice 4 anybody else as well? no. definitly not. xxx wasn't comfortable in a relationship with prince 4 whatever reason? well ... she had the chance 2 leave him.

it's that simple. at least in my world. and I know prince's world was like that too. but that doesn't mean U or anybody else on this board has 2 think or act the same way. I would never judge. just sharing my opinion in case anybody is interested.

Thank you for your graciousness! It sounds like we agree on a lot. But even if we didn't, I really appreciate your sentiment in your earlier comment of "don't want to offend." I don't want to offend, either.

For me, it stings a little, knowing that even when two people love one another very much, they can be unreasonable or hurt one another in the course of a relationship. For both people, there might be a point when the thing to do is just leave.

Prince's music is powerful. He could convey hurt in a beautiful way that touches people. I'm moved by that, and so very grateful, too, for how he made music that conveys the joy and fire in relationships, music that just revels in sensuality.

Bottom line, I'm human, got plenty of faults and have plenty to be grateful for. One thing I'm grateful about is others, like you, who love this music. Many in my world just don't get it. They're still cool, of course. It just means so much to be able to connect with others who do get it. Much love. : )

[Edited 2/2/17 12:14pm]

I would never share, so there goes that fantasy ...

FlyOnTheWall said:

3rdeyedude said:

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

Women like big sticks, too. And from all indications, P was holding. I'm just saying...

It would not have made a difference. His cash and fame would have made up for what he lacked down below. I hate to bring up Donald Trump but he seems like a guy with 'small penis syndrome'. You think Melania cares about that? If you hit the lottery, would you care about how big your partners private parts were? Plus, Prince made albums and songs for and about these women. They must have been in heaven for the 3 to 6 month period he was with them all. Again, I'm sure his fucked up childhood made him unable to get too close to anyone. But he didn't give a fuck because he was rich as fuck and was a superstar.

rednblue said:

lemoncrush19 said:

in my world: no. we shouldn't. and I won't bring all those "we don't have all informations", "it's none of our business", "prince was private" etc. etc. stuff now though all of that is true. in MY world it's crucial NOT 2 judge. I mean: never. right or wrong, good or bad ... I don't think in terms like that.

I'm like this: I know what's good 4 ME. and I am the only person on that planet that can change things if I don't like them the way they are. if I'm not comfortable in a situation - let it be a job, a lifestyle or a relationship - I am free 2 change it. no one else can. and no one else is to blame.

BUT how can I know what's good 4 someone else? I know what I woud have done in that situation. does that mean it would have been the right choice 4 anybody else as well? no. definitly not. xxx wasn't comfortable in a relationship with prince 4 whatever reason? well ... she had the chance 2 leave him.

it's that simple. at least in my world. and I know prince's world was like that too. but that doesn't mean U or anybody else on this board has 2 think or act the same way. I would never judge. just sharing my opinion in case anybody is interested.

Thank you for your graciousness! It sounds like we agree on a lot. But even if we didn't, (1) I really appreciate your sentiment in your earlier comment of "don't want to offend." I don't want to offend, either.

(2) For me, it stings a little, knowing that even when two people love one another very much, they can be unreasonable or hurt one another in the course of a relationship. For both people, there might be a point when the thing to do is just leave.

(3) Prince's music is powerful. He could convey hurt in a beautiful way that touches people. I'm moved by that, and so very grateful, too, for how he made music that conveys the joy and fire in relationships, music that just revels in sensuality.

Bottom line, I'm human, got plenty of faults and have plenty to be grateful for. One thing I'm grateful about is others, like you, who love this music. Many in my world just don't get it. They're still cool, of course. It just means so much to be able to connect with others who do get it. Much love. : )

[Edited 2/2/17 12:14pm]

(1) I appreciate ur appreciation and ur agreement but 2 be perfectly honest: we shouldn't have 2 mention that. in a world without judging this would be obvious! we just feel the need to cause ppl tend 2 take things personal. even if we're talking about folks we don't know personally and their very personal business ...

(2) I'm with U. and we've all been down that road I guess. it's getting easier as soon as we learn that we can't change anybody (except ourselfs of course). I firmly believe we meet the people in our life 4 a reason ... they all bring something 2 learn our souls chose 2 learn in this life. and if it should be pain ... ok than this is what my soul needed 2 grow right now. so when someone hurts me I ask myself why I needed that instead of blaming him or her. does that reduce the hurt? maybe not instantly. but it makes it way easier 2 move on ... at least 4 me.

(3) 100% 2 all of that

This man had a personality and a magnetism that went far beyond his music, fame or physical things. For me the attraction had nothing to do with all of that. All this u could get from others too. But there was only one Prince. Of course his world was exciting (at first look...) but it was his inner worlds that attracted me and other girls too. To only see a sugar daddy or womanizer in him would be too easy and doesn't do him justice.

CatB said:

This man had a personality and a magnetism that went far beyond his music, fame or physical things. For me the attraction had nothing to do with all of that. All this u could get from others too. But there was only one Prince. Of course his world was exciting (at first look...) but it was his inner worlds that attracted me and other girls too. To only see a sugar daddy or womanizer in him would be too easy and doesn't do him justice.

Beautiful words.

lemoncrush19 said:

rednblue said:

Thank you for your graciousness! It sounds like we agree on a lot. But even if we didn't, (1) I really appreciate your sentiment in your earlier comment of "don't want to offend." I don't want to offend, either.

(2) For me, it stings a little, knowing that even when two people love one another very much, they can be unreasonable or hurt one another in the course of a relationship. For both people, there might be a point when the thing to do is just leave.

(3) Prince's music is powerful. He could convey hurt in a beautiful way that touches people. I'm moved by that, and so very grateful, too, for how he made music that conveys the joy and fire in relationships, music that just revels in sensuality.

Bottom line, I'm human, got plenty of faults and have plenty to be grateful for. One thing I'm grateful about is others, like you, who love this music. Many in my world just don't get it. They're still cool, of course. It just means so much to be able to connect with others who do get it. Much love. : )

[Edited 2/2/17 12:14pm]

(1) I appreciate ur appreciation and ur agreement but 2 be perfectly honest: we shouldn't have 2 mention that. in a world without judging this would be obvious! we just feel the need to cause ppl tend 2 take things personal. even if we're talking about folks we don't know personally and their very personal business ...

(2) I'm with U. and we've all been down that road I guess. it's getting easier as soon as we learn that we can't change anybody (except ourselfs of course). I firmly believe we meet the people in our life 4 a reason ... they all bring something 2 learn our souls chose 2 learn in this life. and if it should be pain ... ok than this is what my soul needed 2 grow right now. so when someone hurts me I ask myself why I needed that instead of blaming him or her. does that reduce the hurt? maybe not instantly. but it makes it way easier 2 move on ... at least 4 me.

(3) 100% 2 all of that

I am too nosy about Prince. That's something I can own and do something about.

One thing that Prince was very open about in recent years is the idea that he didn't regret things he did when young, even if he viewed them differently in later years. He pointed out that all those experiences made him who he became. The wisdom in your second thought reminds me of this.

Hearts right back at you. : )

1Sasha said:

I would never share, so there goes that fantasy ...

Would it be OK for him to meet you in a happy dream? : )

CatB said:

This man had a personality and a magnetism that went far beyond his music, fame or physical things. For me the attraction had nothing to do with all of that. All this u could get from others too. But there was only one Prince. Of course his world was exciting (at first look...) but it was his inner worlds that attracted me and other girls too. To only see a sugar daddy or womanizer in him would be too easy and doesn't do him justice.

That's the impression I get. The man just seemed flat-out EXCITING. I can imagine that he was almost intoxicating, like a drug. And he seemed naturally sensual. I'm not normally one for sharing, but I might have made an exception for Princey, at least for a season. Sue me, but I'm just keeping it real. I think that being rich and well-endowed was just icing on his purple cake.

paisleypearl said:

laurarichardson said:

paisleypearl said:

Devin did NOT know about the other women. I read Devin's book.

-Really because I remember her saying in an interview he tried to get her come to Paris to see him and she asked him about Susan. I am not sure how she would not have known about Susan.

People "know about" who/what they want and ignore who/what they don't want acknowledge.

I think she might have been in a bit of purple denial.

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

paisleypearl said: -Really because I remember her saying in an interview he tried to get her come to Paris to see him and she asked him about Susan. I am not sure how she would not have known about Susan.

People "know about" who/what they want and ignore who/what they don't want acknowledge.

I think she might have been in a bit of purple denial.

Absolutely. This sounds like a classic case of "(Willful) Ignorance is bliss."

Let's see... money, romanced, treated like never been treated before (lol, I assumed), become a star, money, money, record deal, and he's cute, too! Oh these chicks were lusting and it was so good they either didn't mind sharing or probably thought they can make him a one-woman man, imo. I think he enjoyed bathing them, romancing, and kissing them more than sex.