laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

I agree with all the replies here. I only wanted to add that the honesty part may have been lacking. Do we know if he actually had those conversations with his women? It was probably a combination of all the things others have already suggested in their replies with the addition of some of his lovers being very young and naive. I'm beginning to believe that's why he liked them so young. Easier to fool and manipulate? It's better than the alternative picture in my mind of him as a borderline pedophile.

--Sigh, many of these women knew he was seeing others because he told him them he was seeing others. The women have admitted it and many times like the 1999 tour they women were all riding on the same bus or working on projects together. Unfortunatly, they went along with the man sharing insanity and Prince was not a pedophile by legal definition but he was being very unethical by basically schuduling the booty calls years a head. [Edited 1/29/17 5:01am]

What I find odd is that those he scheduled the booty calls ahead were willing to wait and accept that. He must have been quite a charmer/ charismatic.

GimmeThat said:

I am 50 years old. I think you beautifully described a culture that existed for a group of people in a place and time.

One of my points was that Prince seemed strongly opposed to some of the women he cherished having the option that you describe--hence the open part of the relationship being a one-way street and what some would call a big double standard.

DD55 said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: --Sigh, many of these women knew he was seeing others because he told him them he was seeing others. The women have admitted it and many times like the 1999 tour they women were all riding on the same bus or working on projects together. Unfortunatly, they went along with the man sharing insanity and Prince was not a pedophile by legal definition but he was being very unethical by basically schuduling the booty calls years a head. [Edited 1/29/17 5:01am]

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How old are you orgers? Let me try to articulate this thought correctly and not mess it up by implying that I think sleeping around anytime with anyone is wise or safe.

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Growing up and being a teenager during the 70’s and into the early 80’s (before HIV/AIDS exploded), our attitudes toward sex were different back then. Actually we were more free than generations who became of age in the 90’s and later. (Refer to Woodstock tapes for a flavor of the era - Free love, sex, rock & roll.)

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During the late 70’s and shortly into the early 80’s, you could have a friend with whom you had a perfectly wonderful physical / causal sexual relationship with and that was your choice – a no commitments, no strings attached, just a free open relationship. As long as you weren’t telling one person you were totally faithful and seeing someone else, then you weren’t hurting anyone. Men or women could have multiple ‘friends’; it was their business only.

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A person’s personal definitions of promiscuity and sexual freedom changes generationally along with the influences of one’s culture, home upbringing, social attitudes, and religions belief. Let’s not project personal attitudes, morals and mores in judgment of others’ actions.

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Most likely most of those women did knowingly have sexual friendship / relationships with P with no strings attached or false promises, hence very few negative comments by women who WE think might judge themselves to have been done wrong. I don’t know any of these women, but most all seemed to have traveled the world, had been exposed to life, were somewhat educated, knew the score and were perfectly capable of deciding for themselves to have sexual relations with a man.

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Peace to everyone.

DD55 said:

How old are you orgers? Let me try to articulate this thought correctly and not mess it up by implying that I think sleeping around anytime with anyone is wise or safe.

.

Growing up and being a teenager during the 70’s and into the early 80’s (before HIV/AIDS exploded), our attitudes toward sex were different back then. Actually we were more free than generations who became of age in the 90’s and later. (Refer to Woodstock tapes for a flavor of the era - Free love, sex, rock & roll.)

.

During the late 70’s and shortly into the early 80’s, you could have a friend with whom you had a perfectly wonderful physical / causal sexual relationship with and that was your choice – a no commitments, no strings attached, just a free open relationship. As long as you weren’t telling one person you were totally faithful and seeing someone else, then you weren’t hurting anyone. Men or women could have multiple ‘friends’; it was their business only.

.

A person’s personal definitions of promiscuity and sexual freedom changes generationally along with the influences of one’s culture, home upbringing, social attitudes, and religions belief. Let’s not project personal attitudes, morals and mores in judgment of others’ actions.

.

Most likely most of those women did knowingly have sexual friendship / relationships with P with no strings attached or false promises, hence very few negative comments by women who WE think might judge themselves to have been done wrong. I don’t know any of these women, but most all seemed to have traveled the world, had been exposed to life, were somewhat educated, knew the score and were perfectly capable of deciding for themselves to have sexual relations with a man.

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Peace to everyone.

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

My husband and I dated 16 years before getting married. We had a son 1 1/2 years later. Our son is now 11. Hope we're doing a good job representing as Prince fans with a "no need to own after first date" style. ; )

Mumio said:

DD55 said:

How old are you orgers? Let me try to articulate this thought correctly and not mess it up by implying that I think sleeping around anytime with anyone is wise or safe.

.

Growing up and being a teenager during the 70’s and into the early 80’s (before HIV/AIDS exploded), our attitudes toward sex were different back then. Actually we were more free than generations who became of age in the 90’s and later. (Refer to Woodstock tapes for a flavor of the era - Free love, sex, rock & roll.)

.

During the late 70’s and shortly into the early 80’s, you could have a friend with whom you had a perfectly wonderful physical / causal sexual relationship with and that was your choice – a no commitments, no strings attached, just a free open relationship. As long as you weren’t telling one person you were totally faithful and seeing someone else, then you weren’t hurting anyone. Men or women could have multiple ‘friends’; it was their business only.

.

A person’s personal definitions of promiscuity and sexual freedom changes generationally along with the influences of one’s culture, home upbringing, social attitudes, and religions belief. Let’s not project personal attitudes, morals and mores in judgment of others’ actions.

.

Most likely most of those women did knowingly have sexual friendship / relationships with P with no strings attached or false promises, hence very few negative comments by women who WE think might judge themselves to have been done wrong. I don’t know any of these women, but most all seemed to have traveled the world, had been exposed to life, were somewhat educated, knew the score and were perfectly capable of deciding for themselves to have sexual relations with a man.

.

Peace to everyone.

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

rednblue said:

My husband and I dated 16 years before getting married. We had a son 1 1/2 years later. Our son is now 11. Hope we're doing a good job representing as Prince fans with a "no need to own after first date" style. ; )

Mumio said:

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

^^^^^^^ALL THIS^^^^^^^

And while some of the gals were with the program and there didn't seem to be any hurt feelings, I think some thought if they went along with being casually sexual, he'd eventually change and they get to keep him...And I think sometimes he was a bit confused that although he was free-wheeling it alot, some gals meant more to him and they were the ones free-wheeling and he wasn't prepared to feel some type of a way about the tables being reversed. Lol

rednblue said:

My husband and I dated 16 years before getting married. We had a son 1 1/2 years later. Our son is now 11. Hope we're doing a good job representing as Prince fans with a "no need to own after first date" style. ; )

Mumio said:

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

^^^^^ALL THIS^^^^^

And while some of the gals were with the program and there didn't seem to be any hurt feelings, I think some thought if they went along with being casually sexual, he'd eventually change and they get to keep him...And I think sometimes he was a bit confused that although he was free-wheeling it alot, some gals meant more to him and they were the ones free-wheeling and he wasn't prepared to feel some type of a way about the tables being reversed. Lol

LBrent said:

rednblue said:

My husband and I dated 16 years before getting married. We had a son 1 1/2 years later. Our son is now 11. Hope we're doing a good job representing as Prince fans with a "no need to own after first date" style. ; )

^^^^^^^ALL THIS^^^^^^^

And while some of the gals were with the program and there didn't seem to be any hurt feelings, I think some thought if they went along with being casually sexual, he'd eventually change and they get to keep him...And I think sometimes he was a bit confused that although he was free-wheeling it alot, some gals meant more to him and they were the ones free-wheeling and he wasn't prepared to feel some type of a way about the tables being reversed. Lol

Exactly. Thank you for summing it up so eloquently.

And thanks to Mumio, DD55, and ldmendes for letting us in on what the 1970s and 1980s, as well as the world of musicians (thanks ldmendes!), were like for a lot of people. I think the whole story, including the time and place, matters. The whole story also includes whether we're talking about a wanting a truly (two-way) open relationship. What people want or think they want, and what they hope for, can be complicated. When it comes to open relationships, it seems Prince's double standard hurt him and hurt women he cherished. It must be hell being in the public eye.

Thanks to the OP for the topic. Sorry to have edged in on it so much!

Mumio said:

DD55 said:

How old are you orgers? Let me try to articulate this thought correctly and not mess it up by implying that I think sleeping around anytime with anyone is wise or safe.

.

Growing up and being a teenager during the 70’s and into the early 80’s (before HIV/AIDS exploded), our attitudes toward sex were different back then. Actually we were more free than generations who became of age in the 90’s and later. (Refer to Woodstock tapes for a flavor of the era - Free love, sex, rock & roll.)

.

During the late 70’s and shortly into the early 80’s, you could have a friend with whom you had a perfectly wonderful physical / causal sexual relationship with and that was your choice – a no commitments, no strings attached, just a free open relationship. As long as you weren’t telling one person you were totally faithful and seeing someone else, then you weren’t hurting anyone. Men or women could have multiple ‘friends’; it was their business only.

.

A person’s personal definitions of promiscuity and sexual freedom changes generationally along with the influences of one’s culture, home upbringing, social attitudes, and religions belief. Let’s not project personal attitudes, morals and mores in judgment of others’ actions.

.

Most likely most of those women did knowingly have sexual friendship / relationships with P with no strings attached or false promises, hence very few negative comments by women who WE think might judge themselves to have been done wrong. I don’t know any of these women, but most all seemed to have traveled the world, had been exposed to life, were somewhat educated, knew the score and were perfectly capable of deciding for themselves to have sexual relations with a man.

.

Peace to everyone.

Yes to every bit of this, this is exactly how things were for us back then and it was the same for him no doubt. And it was a wonderful time, I wouldn't have changed any of it. People are too busy wanting to own each other after the first date now. Not a good scenario at all.

DD55 and Mumio speak the truth about the 70's and early 80's.

It was a free spirited time....

I have to say the one thing which surprised me was that someone who was reportedly as "active" as Prince did not have an out-of-wedlock child out there. Was he safe with each and every woman he was with? That kind of track record in rock stars is remarkable.

1Sasha said:

I have to say the one thing which surprised me was that someone who was reportedly as "active" as Prince did not have an out-of-wedlock child out there. Was he safe with each and every woman he was with? That kind of track record in rock stars is remarkable.

I'm not convinced there wasnt a child(ren) born.

Remember Robin Power said on the org P didnt use protection with women he loved.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

1Sasha said:

I have to say the one thing which surprised me was that someone who was reportedly as "active" as Prince did not have an out-of-wedlock child out there. Was he safe with each and every woman he was with? That kind of track record in rock stars is remarkable.

I'm not convinced there wasnt a child(ren) born.

Remember Robin Power said on the org P didnt use protection with women he loved.

True, but it was also an age where women were more, often that not, on the pill.

So there's that.

I'm more surprised that he didn't end up at least once getting a venereal disease like crabs or gonorrhea or syphillis or some other cootie. (No, not AIDS.)

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

1Sasha said:

I have to say the one thing which surprised me was that someone who was reportedly as "active" as Prince did not have an out-of-wedlock child out there. Was he safe with each and every woman he was with? That kind of track record in rock stars is remarkable.

I'm not convinced there wasnt a child(ren) born.

Remember Robin Power said on the org P didnt use protection with women he loved.

Well, that seems he mostly banged ladies he didn't love.

LBrent said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I'm not convinced there wasnt a child(ren) born.

Remember Robin Power said on the org P didnt use protection with women he loved.

True, but it was also an age where women were more, often that not, on the pill.

So there's that.

I'm more surprised that he didn't end up at least once getting a venereal disease like crabs or gonorrhea or syphillis or some other cootie. (No, not AIDS.)

How do you know he didn't?

QueenofCardboard said:

LBrent said:

True, but it was also an age where women were more, often that not, on the pill.

So there's that.

I'm more surprised that he didn't end up at least once getting a venereal disease like crabs or gonorrhea or syphillis or some other cootie. (No, not AIDS.)

How do you know he didn't?

Until the time comes when I have more than tabloid headlines to tell me thus, I'll continue to beleive that he didn't.

LBrent said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

I'm not convinced there wasnt a child(ren) born.

Remember Robin Power said on the org P didnt use protection with women he loved.

True, but it was also an age where women were more, often that not, on the pill.

So there's that.

I'm more surprised that he didn't end up at least once getting a venereal disease like crabs or gonorrhea or syphillis or some other cootie. (No, not AIDS.)

so y'all are really gonna go there,huh?

LBrent said:

QueenofCardboard said:

How do you know he didn't?

Until the time comes when I have more than tabloid headlines to tell me thus, I'll continue to beleive that he didn't.

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

3rdeyedude said:

LBrent said:

Until the time comes when I have more than tabloid headlines to tell me thus, I'll continue to beleive that he didn't.

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

I was just about to swallow a mouthful of coffee and it went down the wrong way I was laughing so hard at this.

I nearly choked to death. I'm sueing you for trying to drown me!

In one of his last interviews he stated he was being celibate and concentrating on the music as to saying he can't control his lust for the ladies admittingly. Cant rememeber which one it was.

paisleypark4 said:

In one of his last interviews he stated he was being celibate and concentrating on the music as to saying he can't control his lust for the ladies admittingly. Cant rememeber which one it was.

-Oh, yeah celibate lol, wink wink. Maybe something like… on Tuesday afternoons if there was a full moon the night before and if it was the third Tuesday of the month and it purple rained in the morning. I think saying he was celibate was his way of saying none of your F*&king business. I hope he wasn’t celibate, sheeesh, I hope he enjoyed every day no matter what he did, musically or elsewise.

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

I agree with all the replies here. I only wanted to add that the honesty part may have been lacking. Do we know if he actually had those conversations with his women? It was probably a combination of all the things others have already suggested in their replies with the addition of some of his lovers being very young and naive. I'm beginning to believe that's why he liked them so young. Easier to fool and manipulate? It's better than the alternative picture in my mind of him as a borderline pedophile.

--Sigh, many of these women knew he was seeing others because he told him them he was seeing others. The women have admitted it and many times like the 1999 tour they women were all riding on the same bus or working on projects together. Unfortunatly, they went along with the man sharing insanity and Prince was not a pedophile by legal definition but he was being very unethical by basically schuduling the booty calls years a head. [Edited 1/29/17 5:01am]

Do you have insights to share?

DD55 said:

patchab said:

laurarichardson said:

sonshine said: --Sigh, many of these women knew he was seeing others because he told him them he was seeing others. The women have admitted it and many times like the 1999 tour they women were all riding on the same bus or working on projects together. Unfortunatly, they went along with the man sharing insanity and Prince was not a pedophile by legal definition but he was being very unethical by basically schuduling the booty calls years a head. [Edited 1/29/17 5:01am]

Do you have insights to share?

Sheila E talked about in her book, The interview Jill Jones just did on YOUTUBE toward the end she talks about Prince asking her to continue to see him in secret when he was engaged to Susannah Melvoin. She said people found out because he would fly her out on the road to see him or to France. Then fly her out and bring in Sheila E. Devin Desvaquez talked about it, Carmen Electra talked about it and of course Vanity who was the first one to out him as a womanizer.

They are all knew about each other. Hell Sheila E called it a harem. More and more are coming out of the woodwork.

--

As far as schuduled the booty call. Look at Anna Fantasitic or even Mayte. He knew them when they were under age and waited until they were old enough. There are rumors he knew Bria when she was a teen.

[Edited 1/30/17 19:02pm]

LBrent said:

3rdeyedude said:

I'm sure he had something at one point. He probably just biked over to Wallgreens for some ointment from time to time. I bet the people at Wallgreens have some stories to tell. Let's face it - Prince was the black Hugh Hefner. The ladies "loved" him for his cash and fame. Just like Melania "loves" Donald. Women are just as shallow as men. They like cash.

I was just about to swallow a mouthful of coffee and it went down the wrong way I was laughing so hard at this.

I nearly choked to death. I'm sueing you for trying to drown me!

DD55 said:

paisleypark4 said:

In one of his last interviews he stated he was being celibate and concentrating on the music as to saying he can't control his lust for the ladies admittingly. Cant rememeber which one it was.

-Oh, yeah celibate lol, wink wink. Maybe something like… on Tuesday afternoons if there was a full moon the night before and if it was the third Tuesday of the month and it purple rained in the morning. I think saying he was celibate was his way of saying none of your F*&king business. I hope he wasn’t celibate, sheeesh, I hope he enjoyed every day no matter what he did, musically or elsewise.

Me too With someone who worked soo much, and shared so much of himself with the world through is music and philanthropy, he deserved every happiness possible. Anything contrary is just upsetting

laurarichardson said:

patchab said:

Do you have insights to share?

Sheila E talked about in her book, The interview Jill Jones just did on YOUTUBE toward the end she talks about Prince asking her to continue to see him in secret when he was engaged to Susannah Melvoin. She said people found out because he would fly her out on the road to see him or to France. Then fly her out and bring in Sheila E. Devin Desvaquez talked about it, Carmen Electra talked about it and of course Vanity who was the first one to out him as a womanizer.

They are all knew about each other. Hell Sheila E called it a harem. More and more are coming out of the woodwork.

--

As far as schuduled the booty call. Look at Anna Fantasitic or even Mayte. He knew them when they were under age and waited until they were old enough. There are rumors he knew Bria when she was a teen.

[Edited 1/30/17 19:02pm]

I have my own theory on those last comments...

But with regards to if they knew or not, I believe they did, it's almost as if there were lyrics to a song that could give us a clue...

This is how it's gonna b
If u wanna b with me
Ain't no room 4 disagree
1+1+1 is 3
.
Take ur time and think it thru
If this is what u wanna do
I ain't really that hard 2 please
Cuz 1+1+1 is 3

ForeverPaisley said:

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I have my own theory on those last comments...

But with regards to if they knew or not, I believe they did, it's almost as if there were lyrics to a song that could give us a clue...

This is how it's gonna b
If u wanna b with me
Ain't no room 4 disagree
1+1+1 is 3
.
Take ur time and think it thru
If this is what u wanna do
I ain't really that hard 2 please
Cuz 1+1+1 is 3

--Exactly, On one of the gossip blogs years ago a source side he would break it down to the women in that exact way.

Actually, being that 1+1+1 is 3 is from The Rainbow Children, I'm gonna go out a limb and say that the lyrics are referencing the Biblical scripture that talks about marraige being a "three fold cord", namely the two partners and G*d.

LBrent said:

laurarichardson said:

ForeverPaisley said: --Exactly, On one of the gossip blogs years ago a source side he would break it down to the women in that exact way.

Actually, being that 1+1+1 is 3 is from The Rainbow Children, I'm gonna go out a limb and say that the lyrics are referencing the Biblical scripture that talks about marraige being a "three fold cord", namely the two partners and G*d.

Interesting LBrent