I am a bit of a lurker on here. I have to admit I am not computer friendly so be gentle with me!!!!!

I have a question regarding Prince and his relationships. I have read a couple of articles regarding this. The first and I apologise as I did not bookmark it. I am sure someone remembers it. It was when Prince turned up at a club, where Mayte was with friends. I want to say the article implied it was to reconnect with Mayte, but I might be wrong. They said that Prince and Mayte had an open relationship. I might be wrong but I think it was during the time where he said they were no longer married and that there were some issues regarding posessiveness. The second article which stands out is where he said he was faithful to God and kind of swerved the question about wherther he was faithful. Again apologies I did not bookmark this so cannot post a link.

If Prince was honest about not being faithful to one person why then are people so quick to judge him when he had more than one woman in his life? If these women knew they were one of many, what is the problem? Surely once those words were said, they had the choice to walk or stay, but put up with being one of many?

Lotuslover said:

I am a bit of a lurker on here. I have to admit I am not computer friendly so be gentle with me!!!!!

I have a question regarding Prince and his relationships. I have read a couple of articles regarding this. The first and I apologise as I did not bookmark it. I am sure someone remembers it. It was when Prince turned up at a club, where Mayte was with friends. I want to say the article implied it was to reconnect with Mayte, but I might be wrong. They said that Prince and Mayte had an open relationship. I might be wrong but I think it was during the time where he said they were no longer married and that there were some issues regarding posessiveness. The second article which stands out is where he said he was faithful to God and kind of swerved the question about wherther he was faithful. Again apologies I did not bookmark this so cannot post a link.

If Prince was honest about not being faithful to one person why then are people so quick to judge him when he had more than one woman in his life? If these women knew they were one of many, what is the problem? Surely once those words were said, they had the choice to walk or stay, but put up with being one of many?

I agree. I've posted about this before. I think many of these women were either hoping they would be the exception to the rule and that they could change him...Thinking they're the main gal when all they had negotiated was side chick rights.

Another part of me feels that P really was a romantic at heart and thought he was truly "in love" when he was merely fond of many of them and it was sexually casual.

I also think when he was "truly in love" he thought he could be monogamous and might have managed it for a while, but not as successfully as he would have hoped.

LBrent said:

Lotuslover said:

I am a bit of a lurker on here. I have to admit I am not computer friendly so be gentle with me!!!!!

I have a question regarding Prince and his relationships. I have read a couple of articles regarding this. The first and I apologise as I did not bookmark it. I am sure someone remembers it. It was when Prince turned up at a club, where Mayte was with friends. I want to say the article implied it was to reconnect with Mayte, but I might be wrong. They said that Prince and Mayte had an open relationship. I might be wrong but I think it was during the time where he said they were no longer married and that there were some issues regarding posessiveness. The second article which stands out is where he said he was faithful to God and kind of swerved the question about wherther he was faithful. Again apologies I did not bookmark this so cannot post a link.

If Prince was honest about not being faithful to one person why then are people so quick to judge him when he had more than one woman in his life? If these women knew they were one of many, what is the problem? Surely once those words were said, they had the choice to walk or stay, but put up with being one of many?

I agree. I've posted about this before. I think many of these women were either hoping they would be the exception to the rule and that they could change him...Thinking they're the main gal when all they had negotiated was side chick rights.

Another part of me feels that P really was a romantic at heart and thought he was truly "in love" when he was merely fond of many of them and it was sexually casual.

I also think when he was "truly in love" he thought he could be monogamous and might have managed it for a while, but not as successfully as he would have hoped.

I agree with what you said except that, I think that being Prince's number one might have been considered the booby prize, because he seemed to want to be only one and had a double standard.

QueenofCardboard said:

funny you should mention that because I recalled him saying that he doesn't do open relationships or something like that (in a comical way) while doing his imaginative dialogues between him and a women during P&M shows (I think this one in particular was from one of the shows down under and during LRC/DM).

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Lotuslover said:

I am a bit of a lurker on here. I have to admit I am not computer friendly so be gentle with me!!!!!

I have a question regarding Prince and his relationships. I have read a couple of articles regarding this. The first and I apologise as I did not bookmark it. I am sure someone remembers it. It was when Prince turned up at a club, where Mayte was with friends. I want to say the article implied it was to reconnect with Mayte, but I might be wrong. They said that Prince and Mayte had an open relationship. I might be wrong but I think it was during the time where he said they were no longer married and that there were some issues regarding posessiveness. The second article which stands out is where he said he was faithful to God and kind of swerved the question about wherther he was faithful. Again apologies I did not bookmark this so cannot post a link.

If Prince was honest about not being faithful to one person why then are people so quick to judge him when he had more than one woman in his life? If these women knew they were one of many, what is the problem? Surely once those words were said, they had the choice to walk or stay, but put up with being one of many?

I agree with all the replies here. I only wanted to add that the honesty part may have been lacking. Do we know if he actually had those conversations with his women? It was probably a combination of all the things others have already suggested in their replies with the addition of some of his lovers being very young and naive. I'm beginning to believe that's why he liked them so young. Easier to fool and manipulate? It's better than the alternative picture in my mind of him as a borderline pedophile.

Did Prince have friends with benefits or were his intimate relationships more serious?

sonshine said:

I think he was "in lust" more often than "in love".

lol negotiated side chick rights

There were, what, about 70 pages on here regarding Andy Allo being his one and only for about five years - the last years of his life. If so, what a turnaround after over 35 years of multiple women.

I think it's a great point about honesty, and I think hypocrisy also matters. Of course, those words have applied to me at times as well. It's silly to be hypocritical while talking about hypocrisy. : ) Prince was human, and he was extremely generous in many ways.

To me, there's a good deal of hypocrisy in trying to force one-way-street open relationships, even if all involved know the deal. It seems the double standard contributed to pain and loss, for Prince, and for cherished lovers.

This brings me to my post on the "hypocritical" thread:

"Vanity said, 'I needed one person to love me, and he needed more.' With regard to having more than one partner, Prince long seemed unable to rise above an old double standard. It seemed that he sought freedom but couldn't bear for partners to excercise freedom.

I think this double standard stinks. At the same time, most people struggle and mess up a lot in life. Prince chose rock stardom, but there must be a lot of misery to living in the glare of the public eye."

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rednblue said:

I think it's a great point about honesty, and I think hypocrisy also matters. Of course, those words have applied to me at times as well. It's silly to be a hypocrite while talking about hypocrisy. : ) Prince was human, and he was extremely generous in many ways.

To me, there's a good deal of hypocrisy in trying to force one-way-street open relationships, even if all involved know the deal. It seems the double standard contributed to pain and loss, for Prince, and for cherished lovers.

This brings me to my post on the "hypocritical" thread:

"Vanity said, 'I needed one person to love me, and he needed more.' With regard to having more than one partner, Prince long seemed unable to rise above an old double standard. It seemed that he sought freedom but couldn't bear for partners to excercise freedom.

I think this double standard stinks. At the same time, most people struggle and mess up a lot in life. Prince chose rock stardom, but there must be a lot of misery to living in the glare of the public eye.

I have thought about part of your last sentence before.....how private he was and being in the public eye. I look at some past threads on the org and all the things that people have wondered about him/his life. Some were way toooooo personal IMO

Lotuslover said:

I am a bit of a lurker on here. I have to admit I am not computer friendly so be gentle with me!!!!!

I have a question regarding Prince and his relationships. I have read a couple of articles regarding this. The first and I apologise as I did not bookmark it. I am sure someone remembers it. It was when Prince turned up at a club, where Mayte was with friends. I want to say the article implied it was to reconnect with Mayte, but I might be wrong. They said that Prince and Mayte had an open relationship. I might be wrong but I think it was during the time where he said they were no longer married and that there were some issues regarding posessiveness. The second article which stands out is where he said he was faithful to God and kind of swerved the question about wherther he was faithful. Again apologies I did not bookmark this so cannot post a link.

If Prince was honest about not being faithful to one person why then are people so quick to judge him when he had more than one woman in his life? If these women knew they were one of many, what is the problem? Surely once those words were said, they had the choice to walk or stay, but put up with being one of many?

I read an article/interview once (I honestly can't remember when/where/with who, it was amongst many things I read after he passed) and what I recall mostly in that article he said "nobody's perfect". P, like any other human, made his own mistakes.

AA1slot said:

rednblue said:

I think it's a great point about honesty, and I think hypocrisy also matters. Of course, those words have applied to me at times as well. It's silly to be a hypocrite while talking about hypocrisy. : ) Prince was human, and he was extremely generous in many ways.

To me, there's a good deal of hypocrisy in trying to force one-way-street open relationships, even if all involved know the deal. It seems the double standard contributed to pain and loss, for Prince, and for cherished lovers.

This brings me to my post on the "hypocritical" thread:

"Vanity said, 'I needed one person to love me, and he needed more.' With regard to having more than one partner, Prince long seemed unable to rise above an old double standard. It seemed that he sought freedom but couldn't bear for partners to excercise freedom.

I think this double standard stinks. At the same time, most people struggle and mess up a lot in life. Prince chose rock stardom, but there must be a lot of misery to living in the glare of the public eye.

I have thought about part of your last sentence before.....how private he was and being in the public eye. I look at some past threads on the org and all the things that people have wondered about him/his life. Some were way toooooo personal IMO

Yes, I think it must be horrible to live in the public eye, even with all the perks that can come with it. Susan Rogers said she thought Prince knew that in being a public artist vs. a private artist, success would bring people cherishing his music in their own personal ways. It seems like part of the essence of stardom is the music an artist creates becoming part of many, many stories in many, many lives.

I don't want to be too hard on Prince, or on fans. I think it's human for many people, when an artist's songs have become part of the fabric of their lives, to crave details of that artist's life. It's not true for every fan, but it's still very human. It's also true that fame takes a great toll on the lives of many beloved musicians. Again, it's not true for all, but it seems a very human response.

laurarichardson said:

rednblue said:

AA1slot said:

I have thought about part of your last sentence before.....how private he was and being in the public eye. I look at some past threads on the org and all the things that people have wondered about him/his life. Some were way toooooo personal IMO

Yes, I think it must be horrible to live in the public eye, even with all the perks that can come with it. Susan Rogers said she thought Prince knew that in being a public artist vs. a private artist, success would bring people cherishing his music in their own personal ways. It seems like part of the essence of stardom is the music an artist creates becoming part of many, many stories in many, many lives.

I don't want to be too hard on Prince, or on fans. I think it's human for many people, when an artist's songs have become part of the fabric of their lives, to crave details of that artist's life. It's not true for every fan, but it's still very human. It's also true that fame takes a great toll on the lives of many beloved musicians. Again, it's not true for all, but it seems a very human response.

Agree....I should have added including myself have wondered about parts of his life...otherwise I would not be on the Org. Peace

Peace to you. : )

I think part of it may be that Prince's life has examples of how people can be so very selfish (e.g. pursuing one-way-street open relationships), but also so very generous. It can't be discounted, but it's also very human and simultaneously, a combination that can be hard to wrap the mind around.

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He was a musician, and famous one...I've dated and I was married to one. Having females around, propositioning, lusting, breaking vows... I'm sure he loved the women he was with..but outside relationships are always there complicating things ..comes with the territory

"Solomon ain't got no more women than me" I can't remember which song these lyrics are from.

King Solomon is said to have had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

To my knowledge there is no where in the Old Testament, New Testament and Quran that says that men have to be monogamous with their women.

In all of these holy books, women have to be virgins until they are married, and then be monogamous with their husband under the penalty of death.

Prince's double standard is not at all inconsistent with his faith.

And as for falling in love with a girl and waiting for her to come of age,

In Genesis 29, Jacob fell in love with Rachel when she was a girl and waited seven years for her.

Jacob was also tricked into marrying Rachel's older sister Leah, who he did not love, but that didn't stop him from having seven children with Leah, two children with Leah's servant Zipah, two children with Rachel and two children with Rachel's servant Bilhah.

Having lots of women, and expecting them to be totally faithful to him would have been perfectly consistent with his faith in God.

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The world of rock stars, even if some of the stories are exaggerated, obviously has way more outrageous antics than the world of mere mortals. : ) And the antics aren't limited to stage humpers and hard core heavy-metalers. Although people are, above all, responsible for their actions, environment is an important part of someone's story. Nobody is perfect, and environment affects the actions of all people. Who knows how it would go down if "mortals" were transported to the rock-star world, or if rock stars didn't have the perks and challenges of their wild world.

Thank you so much, ldmendes, for your insights! If it's not too intrusive, I'd like to offer my sympathies, as you had such a challenging world surrounding a very close relationship.

ldmendes said:

He was a musician, and famous one...I've dated and I was married to one. Having females around, propositioning, lusting, breaking vows... I'm sure he loved the women he was with..but outside relationships are always there complicating things ..comes with the territory

AA1slot said:

I think he was "in lust" more often than "in love".

I think so too

1Sasha said:

There were, what, about 70 pages on here regarding Andy Allo being his one and only for about five years - the last years of his life. If so, what a turnaround after over 35 years of multiple women.

He had women during those years come out with details of their time with him; dates and stuff so that is just a wish. He always had many women around and they all fell in love with him it seems from what I read. In fact it I think it was Maya's You tube vid that confirmed Prince was a G and tried it - and there was always girls around.

If "do onto others" can be considered a sentiment of some faiths, then the double standard could be viewed as inconsistent with a faith-based sentiment. Further, some may believe that faiths can contain contradictory sentiments. Queen of Cardboard--I really appreciate the great points that you make!

Also, I in no way meant to imply that the double standard is inconsistent with a faith.

QueenofCardboard said:

"Solomon ain't got no more women than me" I can't remember which song theses lyrics are from.

King Solomon is said to have had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

To my knowledge there is no where in the Old Testament, New Testament and Quran that says that men have to be monogamous with their women.

In all of these holy books, women have to be virgins until they are married, and then be monogamous with their husband under the penalty of death.

Prince's double standard is not at all inconsistent with his faith.

And as for falling in love with a girl and waiting for her to come of age,

In Genesis 29, Jacob fell in love with Rachel when she was a girl and waited seven years for her.

Jacob was also tricked into marrying Rachel's older sister Leah, who he did not love, but that didn't stop him from having seven children with Leah, two children with Leah's servant Zipah, two children with Rachel and two children with Rachel's servant Bilhah.

Having lots of women, and expecting them to be totally faithful to him would have been perfectly consistent with his faith in God.

QueenofCardboard said:

"Solomon ain't got no more women than me" I can't remember which song theses lyrics are from.

King Solomon is said to have had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

To my knowledge there is no where in the Old Testament, New Testament and Quran that says that men have to be monogamous with their women.

In all of these holy books, women have to be virgins until they are married, and then be monogamous with their husband under the penalty of death.

Prince's double standard is not at all inconsistent with his faith.

And as for falling in love with a girl and waiting for her to come of age,

In Genesis 29, Jacob fell in love with Rachel when she was a girl and waited seven years for her.

Jacob was also tricked into marrying Rachel's older sister Leah, who he did not love, but that didn't stop him from having seven children with Leah, two children with Leah's servant Zipah, two children with Rachel and two children with Rachel's servant Bilhah.

Having lots of women, and expecting them to be totally faithful to him would have been perfectly consistent with his faith in God.

To be precise, if you have more women, you need to take care of them justly and you mustn't make preferences among them. So, for example, if you have sex with one three time a week, then another one must be offered to have sex three times a week. The same goes for clothes, jewellery, household and other things. However, you mustn't have more than four women.

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Some people say this should be interpreted as an order of monogamy though; and you can only take more women if they are widowed and cannot find another suitable spouse without commitments. Regardless, some men have four women purely for sexual reasons and everyone in the relationship is unhappy.

FullLipsDotNose said:

QueenofCardboard said:

"Solomon ain't got no more women than me" I can't remember which song theses lyrics are from.

King Solomon is said to have had 300 wives and 700 concubines.

To my knowledge there is no where in the Old Testament, New Testament and Quran that says that men have to be monogamous with their women.

In all of these holy books, women have to be virgins until they are married, and then be monogamous with their husband under the penalty of death.

Prince's double standard is not at all inconsistent with his faith.

And as for falling in love with a girl and waiting for her to come of age,

In Genesis 29, Jacob fell in love with Rachel when she was a girl and waited seven years for her.

Jacob was also tricked into marrying Rachel's older sister Leah, who he did not love, but that didn't stop him from having seven children with Leah, two children with Leah's servant Zipah, two children with Rachel and two children with Rachel's servant Bilhah.

Having lots of women, and expecting them to be totally faithful to him would have been perfectly consistent with his faith in God.

To be precise, if you have more women, you need to take care of them justly and you mustn't make preferences among them. So, for example, if you have sex with one three time a week, then another one must be offered to have sex three times a week. The same goes for clothes, jewellery, household and other things. However, you mustn't have more than four women.

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Some people say this should be interpreted as an order of monogamy though; and you can only take more women if they are widowed and cannot find another suitable spouse without commitments. Regardless, some men have four women purely for sexual reasons and everyone in the relationship is unhappy.

I was talking about Quran, apologies for not mentioning it.

Vashtix said:

1Sasha said:

There were, what, about 70 pages on here regarding Andy Allo being his one and only for about five years - the last years of his life. If so, what a turnaround after over 35 years of multiple women.

He had women during those years come out with details of their time with him; dates and stuff so that is just a wish. He always had many women around and they all fell in love with him it seems from what I read. In fact it I think it was Maya's You tube vid that confirmed Prince was a G and tried it - and there was always girls around.

What is a G that you mention in your last sentence? Thanks.

FullLipsDotNose said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

To be precise, if you have more women, you need to take care of them justly and you mustn't make preferences among them. So, for example, if you have sex with one three time a week, then another one must be offered to have sex three times a week. The same goes for clothes, jewellery, household and other things. However, you mustn't have more than four women.

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Some people say this should be interpreted as an order of monogamy though; and you can only take more women if they are widowed and cannot find another suitable spouse without commitments. Regardless, some men have four women purely for sexual reasons and everyone in the relationship is unhappy.

I was talking about Quran, apologies for not mentioning it.

Prince was not a Muslim.

My point is that it isn't just Prince that had a double standard, it is also Jehovah.

If Prince really said that he was faithful to God, that was a pretty good answer.


Just because his behavior was inconsistent with your beliefs and values doesn't mean his behavior was inconsistent with his beliefs and values, hence where is the hypocrisy?

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laurarichardson said:

sonshine said:

I agree with all the replies here. I only wanted to add that the honesty part may have been lacking. Do we know if he actually had those conversations with his women? It was probably a combination of all the things others have already suggested in their replies with the addition of some of his lovers being very young and naive. I'm beginning to believe that's why he liked them so young. Easier to fool and manipulate? It's better than the alternative picture in my mind of him as a borderline pedophile.

--Sigh, many of these women knew he was seeing others because he told him them he was seeing others. The women have admitted it and many times like the 1999 tour they women were all riding on the same bus or working on projects together. Unfortunatly, they went along with the man sharing insanity and Prince was not a pedophile by legal definition but he was being very unethical by basically schuduling the booty calls years a head. [Edited 1/29/17 5:01am]

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How old are you orgers? Let me try to articulate this thought correctly and not mess it up by implying that I think sleeping around anytime with anyone is wise or safe.

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Growing up and being a teenager during the 70’s and into the early 80’s (before HIV/AIDS exploded), our attitudes toward sex were different back then. Actually we were more free than generations who became of age in the 90’s and later. (Refer to Woodstock tapes for a flavor of the era - Free love, sex, rock & roll.)

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During the late 70’s and shortly into the early 80’s, you could have a friend with whom you had a perfectly wonderful physical / causal sexual relationship with and that was your choice – a no commitments, no strings attached, just a free open relationship. As long as you weren’t telling one person you were totally faithful and seeing someone else, then you weren’t hurting anyone. Men or women could have multiple ‘friends’; it was their business only.

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A person’s personal definitions of promiscuity and sexual freedom changes generationally along with the influences of one’s culture, home upbringing, social attitudes, and religions belief. Let’s not project personal attitudes, morals and mores in judgment of others’ actions.

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Most likely most of those women did knowingly have sexual friendship / relationships with P with no strings attached or false promises, hence very few negative comments by women who WE think might judge themselves to have been done wrong. I don’t know any of these women, but most all seemed to have traveled the world, had been exposed to life, were somewhat educated, knew the score and were perfectly capable of deciding for themselves to have sexual relations with a man.

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Peace to everyone.