Hi all

In my eyes "The Sun, the Moon and Stars" and "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" are two of the most beautiful songs from the mid-nineties onwards

My questions to you:

1. How do you rate them?

2. What might be the reason these songs didn't obtain greater awareness/popularity?

gnu

sun moon and stars is unlistenable. Wherever u go has hit single all over it ....but not in 1999

"The Sun, The Moon & Stars" is self-indulgent. It could be retooled, and be a much better song. It's not bad, but I'm like "Bruh, chill".

"Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" is first a send-off to Mayte. Let's remember that in the Princelore. It's a sweet little song. It has a nice sentiment to it, and it works well as an album ender (if you don't have the hidden track). It reminds me a bit, in certain elements, of "Forever In My Life". It has that nice, tight compression sound to it, yet has a bright edge (unlike FIML until the end) to it.

Lenny Kravitz kind of lifted it a bit for "Again" on his greatest hits package. Even Prince noted the similarities on the NPGOnline site. Something like "he sure did borrow it didn't he?!".

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

gnu said:

Hi all

In my eyes "The Sun, the Moon and Stars" and "Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" are two of the most beautiful songs from the mid-nineties onwards

My questions to you:

1. How do you rate them?

2. What might be the reason these songs didn't obtain greater awareness/popularity?

gnu

Wherever is poignant/melancholy to me. It is a hidden gem in his repetoire that the general public are at a loss for not knowing about it. Dont know why he never used it in his live shows.

LOVE both of those tracks.

I don't understand the dislike for "Sun, Moon & Stars"On that note, I'm not big on "Man-O-War" but seems most fans are into that one. "Tangerine" is also amazing, expecially that additional instrumentals tacked on the end of it for the Rave Remix CD. That additional music at the end is very uplifting to me, ends way too quick.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do has always been a favorite of mine. It easily could have been played on the radio...

Easily... should have been released as a single and could have been a HUGE hit. That song is impeccable - vibe & lyrics... everything is on place.

Transformed1 said:

LOVE both of those tracks.

I don't understand the dislike for "Sun, Moon & Stars"On that note, I'm not big on "Man-O-War" but seems most fans are into that one. "Tangerine" is also amazing, expecially that additional instrumentals tacked on the end of it for the Rave Remix CD. That additional music at the end is very uplifting to me, ends way too quick.

Man-O-War is one hell of a song.I can't decide did i like original or remix more... underrated mid-90's/early 00's gem.

I was listeing to Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do as I found out he had passed.

Those aren't my two favorite nuggets on the Rave album, but Wherever You Go is gorgeous. The Sun.. is another pretty song but it doesn't click with me quite as much. Perhaps it is a little too over the top lyrically.

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Iamtheorg said:

Wherever is poignant/melancholy to me. It is a hidden gem in his repetoire that the general public are at a loss for not knowing about it. Dont know why he never used it in his live shows.

Wherever is one of my Fav. songs...they said that it was played very briefly once for a few lines at the Celebration 2002...P sang a little acoustic, and then the audience seemed to not really be feelin it that much at the moment, or they weren't singing along, so he switched to playing "Forever In My Life..."

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Wherever_U_Go,_Whatever_U_Do

bluegangsta said:

I was listeing to Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do as I found out he had passed.

Man!

TrivialPursuit said:

"The Sun, The Moon & Stars" is self-indulgent. It could be retooled, and be a much better song. It's not bad, but I'm like "Bruh, chill".

"Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" is first a send-off to Mayte. Let's remember that in the Princelore. It's a sweet little song. It has a nice sentiment to it, and it works well as an album ender (if you don't have the hidden track). It reminds me a bit, in certain elements, of "Forever In My Life". It has that nice, tight compression sound to it, yet has a bright edge (unlike FIML until the end) to it.

Lenny Kravitz kind of lifted it a bit for "Again" on his greatest hits package. Even Prince noted the similarities on the NPGOnline site. Something like "he sure did borrow it didn't he?!".

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

Puh-leeeze.
They have nothing in common.

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"The Sun, The Moon & Stars" is self-indulgent. It could be retooled, and be a much better song. It's not bad, but I'm like "Bruh, chill".

"Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" is first a send-off to Mayte. Let's remember that in the Princelore. It's a sweet little song. It has a nice sentiment to it, and it works well as an album ender (if you don't have the hidden track). It reminds me a bit, in certain elements, of "Forever In My Life". It has that nice, tight compression sound to it, yet has a bright edge (unlike FIML until the end) to it.

Lenny Kravitz kind of lifted it a bit for "Again" on his greatest hits package. Even Prince noted the similarities on the NPGOnline site. Something like "he sure did borrow it didn't he?!".

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

Puh-leeeze.
They have nothing in common.

I know, right?

TrivialPursuit said:

"The Sun, The Moon & Stars" is self-indulgent. It could be retooled, and be a much better song. It's not bad, but I'm like "Bruh, chill".

"Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" is first a send-off to Mayte. Let's remember that in the Princelore. It's a sweet little song. It has a nice sentiment to it, and it works well as an album ender (if you don't have the hidden track). It reminds me a bit, in certain elements, of "Forever In My Life". It has that nice, tight compression sound to it, yet has a bright edge (unlike FIML until the end) to it.

Lenny Kravitz kind of lifted it a bit for "Again" on his greatest hits package. Even Prince noted the similarities on the NPGOnline site. Something like "he sure did borrow it didn't he?!".

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

When he was playing Wherever U Go in the acoustic set at Xenophobia 2002, he jokingly started singing the 'Again' lyrics towards the end.

For me, the production on Lenny's song is better than on Wherever U Go.

leecaldon said:

TrivialPursuit said:

"The Sun, The Moon & Stars" is self-indulgent. It could be retooled, and be a much better song. It's not bad, but I'm like "Bruh, chill".

"Wherever U Go, Whatever U Do" is first a send-off to Mayte. Let's remember that in the Princelore. It's a sweet little song. It has a nice sentiment to it, and it works well as an album ender (if you don't have the hidden track). It reminds me a bit, in certain elements, of "Forever In My Life". It has that nice, tight compression sound to it, yet has a bright edge (unlike FIML until the end) to it.

Lenny Kravitz kind of lifted it a bit for "Again" on his greatest hits package. Even Prince noted the similarities on the NPGOnline site. Something like "he sure did borrow it didn't he?!".

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

When he was playing Wherever U Go in the acoustic set at Xenophobia 2002, he jokingly started singing the 'Again' lyrics towards the end.

For me, the production on Lenny's song is better than on Wherever U Go.

Because he felt Lenny copped HIS song, which he did. He posted as musch on the website back then lol.

bonatoc said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Of course, "Wherever U Go" is a blatant rip off of Richard Marx's "Waiting For You". Go listen back to back.

Puh-leeeze.
They have nothing in common.

Then you're not listening.

"I'll be right here waiting for you" - Marx

"I'll always be here there for you" - Prince

Listen to the melody on that line alone, lyrically similarity aside.

Hi all

Hey, thanks for all your replies. (I had to translate some words... as I am not native English speaking... )

To summarize, most very much like "Wherever you go...". But not all. There's an issue whether it was taken from Richard Marx "Waiting for you". An indeed, when listening at Marx, there seems to be some similarity.

"The sun..." is generally less appreciated.

For me, as I said before, I love the two songs. Also "The sun", his voice is so fragile and special. This make's it for me a rather non-core Prince song, but one of his experimental songs. Great! Both...

Gnu

Surprised nobody's mentioned his 'Jamaican' rap on The Sun, The Moon & Stars

dodger said:

Surprised nobody's mentioned his 'Jamaican' rap on The Sun, The Moon & Stars

Just when we thought we had wiped it from our memories.

Iamtheorg said:

leecaldon said:

When he was playing Wherever U Go in the acoustic set at Xenophobia 2002, he jokingly started singing the 'Again' lyrics towards the end.

For me, the production on Lenny's song is better than on Wherever U Go.

Because he felt Lenny copped HIS song, which he did. He posted as musch on the website back then lol.

Yes. The way he sang it was very much to show that you could just sing the Lenny's lyrics over the top of his song.

Not really seeing the Right Here Waiting comparison.

bonatoc said:

dodger said:

Surprised nobody's mentioned his 'Jamaican' rap on The Sun, The Moon & Stars

Just when we thought we had wiped it from our memories.

probably not his intention but it's hilarious

WYG is nice little song.

it always reminds me of a cross between "forever in my life" and this one:



it's a nice song but there are better on the album.