paradise000 said:

kepurplehunter said:

paradise000 said:

https://www.bloomberg.com...it-records Not sure if this belongs in the estate topic or streaming topic, feel free to move 😀

Finally some light at the end of the tunnel.

CherryMoon57 said:

paradise000 said:

https://www.bloomberg.com...it-records Not sure if this belongs in the estate topic or streaming topic, feel free to move 😀

Finally some light at the end of the tunnel.

Yes, seems like good news to me.

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson, one of the few musicians unavailable on most streaming services, is closing in on deals that will pave the way for the artist’s music to play at major outlets like Spotify and Apple Music, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.

Instead of going to PaisleyPark.music and giving the estate $10 for a CD that cost $1 to make (in fact I'd be downloading so that $1 CD actually cost $0) Instead of that, I'm going to give Spotify $10 and spotify will give 20 cents to the estate... (is there a Prince school of business I'm not aware of?)

I don't see an upside for the estate in this. Nobody makes millions from streaming - unless you're the company in control of the stream. Not to mention he fact they're undoing what Prince did.

I get that there is a need to give a little so that people rekindle their interest... But you don't hand over the entire catalog. Just put his music videos on Youtube/Vimeo? That covers all the big singles, and let's people get a flavour - then they can fuck off to a shop and buy something.

Noodled24 said:

Noodled24 said:

The estate of Prince Rogers Nelson, one of the few musicians unavailable on most streaming services, is closing in on deals that will pave the way for the artist’s music to play at major outlets like Spotify and Apple Music, according to a person with knowledge of the matter.

Instead of going to PaisleyPark.music and giving the estate $10 for a CD that cost $1 to make (in fact I'd be downloading so that $1 CD actually cost $0) Instead of that, I'm going to give Spotify $10 and spotify will give 20 cents to the estate... (is there a Prince school of business I'm not aware of?)

I don't see an upside for the estate in this. Nobody makes millions from streaming - unless you're the company in control of the stream. Not to mention he fact they're undoing what Prince did.

I get that there is a need to give a little so that people rekindle their interest... But you don't hand over the entire catalog. Just put his music videos on Youtube/Vimeo? That covers all the big singles, and let's people get a flavour - then they can fuck off to a shop and buy something.

*Big Sigh* Prince is dead now and all of this business is truly out of his hands. I sure hope that the owners of the estate can make the most of the situation that has landed into their hands before it breaks out into a million pieces.

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Other artists consciencious enough to be revolutionary experimentalist busnessfolk will have to pave their own way toward better peddling of their wares, hopefully following the example that Prince and others of his brand of awareness have set!

Germanegro said:

Although I know Prince would not have any of this while he was alive

He's not anymore....his work for protecting artists rights and recordings is done

Time for a new chapter on getting his music to the masses

2020 said:

2020 said:

Although I know Prince would not have any of this while he was alive

He's not anymore....his work for protecting artists rights and recordings is done

Time for a new chapter on getting his music to the masses

I agree.The music has to be much more accessible than it was when Prince was alive.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

Noodled24 said:

Instead of going to PaisleyPark.music and giving the estate $10 for a CD that cost $1 to make (in fact I'd be downloading so that $1 CD actually cost $0) Instead of that, I'm going to give Spotify $10 and spotify will give 20 cents to the estate... (is there a Prince school of business I'm not aware of?)

I don't see an upside for the estate in this. Nobody makes millions from streaming - unless you're the company in control of the stream. Not to mention he fact they're undoing what Prince did.

I get that there is a need to give a little so that people rekindle their interest... But you don't hand over the entire catalog. Just put his music videos on Youtube/Vimeo? That covers all the big singles, and let's people get a flavour - then they can fuck off to a shop and buy something.

Whether we like it or not more people are renting music these days than buying it. That's why Prince was quite prescient when he told Tamar Davis that live shows is where it's going to be at. Who's going to go to paisleypark.com and give them $10 for an album other than die hard fans? And die hard fans most likely already have all his albums. A number of artists restrict new albums from streaming services for a period of time. Adele has done it, so has Coldplay. Prince's estate could easily do that for any stuff from the vault that gets released. Put it on sale and tell streaming services they can have it 3 or 6 months later. Do a deal with Apple Music and have Apple promote the crap out of it (like they did when the Beatles came to iTunes) and I'll bet there would be a surge in Prince album sales. And a lot of people going "holy shit, I didn't know Prince recorded this many albums".

Streaming is a nice idea to promote recorded works, but a line should be drawn as to how this is executed, for the sake of the performers income--not so much about them getting to be rich MFrs, but about nurturing their own homes and creativity rather than working for a "system" designed to churn out the sounds and collect the majority of cash profits for the sake of a distribution service. Money is going into the wrong hands in this model and people who are sensitive to this will see the errors of this model and work to change it. People are so blindly consumerist, and of course this is what the creators of the music want to see--they all love being admired and cherished--but to do so for cents to the dollar on what they've put into the game...

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I guess if this is the new predominant form of music sales for time to come, then the recording industry can eff-off and let Spotify, Itunes and the like be the new recording moguls to control the scene and invest in new artists' development in their own turn. The radio waves will continue to broadcast news and views, and ads . It's kind of sad to me, but certain INDUSTRY people are, like, over all of this.

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The artists are, like

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and all the wonderful streamers of the world are, like,

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Will we then, through the predominace of streaming services with low-musicians-payouts, continue to see more recording trends and less originality in what we get to hear, wholesale? Could I be presuming too much about a bad effect taking off with this trend?

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

// Not if it is not a enough money to pay the bills. If you think getting a half s penny a stream is good I would like to sell you the Brooklyn bridge.

I wasn't aware that the purpose of this was to just pay the bills. I assumed the purpose was to expose Prince's music to a wider audience. Selling physical CDs ain't gonna pay the bills either as there's not enough people willing to buy them. But like I said it's possible for the Estate to work something out where new releases aren't available on streaming sites right away. Pretty much every big name artist aside from Prince and maybe Garth Brooks are on streaming services. Somehow they're all surviving.

Taxes have to be paid and looking at his assests that are going to struggle to pay it or be on a payment plan for years while interest and late fees pile up.

You need to do some reserch plenty of artist are struggling because of streaming especially older artist who were going to use their royalties as their retirment income. Many have to still work. Plenty of articles about this.

Prince is not around to tour anymore so were is the big money going to come from.

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: I wasn't aware that the purpose of this was to just pay the bills. I assumed the purpose was to expose Prince's music to a wider audience. Selling physical CDs ain't gonna pay the bills either as there's not enough people willing to buy them. But like I said it's possible for the Estate to work something out where new releases aren't available on streaming sites right away. Pretty much every big name artist aside from Prince and maybe Garth Brooks are on streaming services. Somehow they're all surviving.

Taxes have to be paid and looking at his assests that are going to struggle to pay it or be on a payment plan for years while interest and late fees pile up.

You need to do some reserch plenty of artist are struggling because of streaming especially older artist who were going to use their royalties as their retirment income. Many have to still work. Plenty of articles about this.

Prince is not around to tour anymore so were is the big money going to come from.

That big money surely isn't going to come from album sales. People don't buy albums anymore, especially not Prince albums. His sales surged following his death but that is never going to happen again. He's not here to tour or appear on TV so there will be no exposing his work to new listeners in the future. If he's not on streaming services younger audiences won't discover him. That's just the reality of 2017. The estate can always sell vault albums to us but his hardcore base isn't big enough to pay the bills either. What they will have to do (and we will all hate this but it's necessary) is license his music to tv, film, and (shudder) commercials. THAT will be where the big money comes from in the future. 10,000 streams of "1999", and the exposure that generates, is probably worth more than the 200 copies 'Dirty Mind' will sell next year.

renfield said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

renfield said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

You still have not provided any evidence that putting Prince music on streaming services is going to be bad financially for the Estate. OK fine, artists don't make a lot of money off of streams but what is the alternative? At least this way his music will be exposed to a wider audience. And maybe some people will be inclined to purchase some of his records.

--) He sold the most music last year so people are inclined to buy his records. Pennies instead of dollars is bad any the information is avalible for you to read about. I hope the estate cuts a good deal.

It is my feeling that the estate would stand to earn much less in the short term, even overall with whatever public exposure to the catalogue the services may provide, than they would by selling their own product while financing their own promotions.

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It is simply given that the streaming companies are solely positioned to make the kind of money that can really sustain a business. Industry people and affected artists alike have studied these workings--and your argument is that content providers should take the pennies that they're being offered today, what have they got to lose?

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I think that the estate could do better business beyond throwing much of their product into streaming.

Germanegro said:

but this means it will be already released material... correct? they wont be using those services for unreleased stuff

Germanegro said:

It is my feeling that the estate would stand to earn much less in the short term, even overall with whatever public exposure to the catalogue the services may provide, than they would by selling their own product while financing their own promotions.

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It is simply given that the streaming companies are solely positioned to make the kind of money that can really sustain a business. Industry people and affected artists alike have studied these workings--and your argument is that content providers should take the pennies that they're being offered today, what have they got to lose?

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I think that the estate could do better business beyond throwing much of their product into streaming.

i agree with this and w/LR in that i want to own any material released from the vault. i would love for the estate to put together "proper" album releases from the vault "just like in the old days" so to speak and only press up a few hundred thousand for those of us die hards, then alllow streaming if those deals are still in place.

renfield said:

That big money surely isn't going to come from album sales. People don't buy albums anymore, especially not Prince albums. His sales surged following his death but that is never going to happen again. He's not here to tour or appear on TV so there will be no exposing his work to new listeners in the future. If he's not on streaming services younger audiences won't discover him. That's just the reality of 2017. The estate can always sell vault albums to us but his hardcore base isn't big enough to pay the bills either. What they will have to do (and we will all hate this but it's necessary) is license his music to tv, film, and (shudder) commercials. THAT will be where the big money comes from in the future. 10,000 streams of "1999", and the exposure that generates, is probably worth more than the 200 copies 'Dirty Mind' will sell next year.

You make some very good points.In order for Prince's music to live on amd continue to make money,the estate will have to make it more accessible,especially for younger people.Streaming is the way many young people obtain music these days.There's no way around it.