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Reply #30 posted 01/15/17 3:59pm

laytonian

imprimis said:



databank said:




laurarichardson said:


imprimis said: --According to Wendy he did not like the music and he was not going to fake it. End of story. He was never supposed to be at the session.

According to Alan he offered the guitar solo instead, Quincy said no. Then he said can I send Sheila instead and give a separate track for the album, Quincy said OK. Thing is P was at the AMA thing right before and there everybody was like "see you at the session later tonight" and Quincy maybe still hoped P would change his mind, + Alan knew it would be a PR disaster if they just said he didn't wanna do it and the press got ahold of it. So Alan came-up with this "he's not feeling well" excuse and begged Prince to stay at the hotel the whole night. Which he did... for some hours. Next thing you know he's in a club and his bodyguard kicks some dude's ass here comes the tabloid scandal. It was bad luck really because without the Big Chick incident things would probably have gone under the radar...



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I'm well aware of this accounting, which appeared in a relatively recent Rolling Stones article. I'm not convinced that it is an accurate (non-revisionist) accounting of the debacle. At a minimum, it is very favorably abridged to suit the journalist's presentation. I believe Sheila appeared chiefly (although not exclusively) due to her long-standing relationship with Lionel, and that her own management felt it to be an intelligent move for her career, to take advantage of any networking opportunity to strengthen her standing as a solo artist beyond an that of adjunct to the Purple Rain phenomenon singing Apollonia 6 outtakes.


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P offering to 'send Sheila' as some form of Purple ambassador sounds mighty bullocksy.


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Read LET'S GO CRAZY. Alan's version is detailed there.
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Reply #31 posted 01/15/17 5:25pm

4You92

It's so funny watching people go on and on about this, making Prince out to be making some statement or being an unconventional hero.This is nothing but Prince not wanting to be a part of it, probably because Mike was involved. There would have been nothing demeaning for him to have joined it, and wouldn't have done anything to his career. No one else was looked at poorly for joining it.

Regardless of that, the song came from a good place. Michael has always been involved with charity, both publically and behind the scenes, so this wasn't some silly publicity stunt like some of y'all are trying to claim. Those involved were trying to do a good thing. The song is memorable and iconic, and the sentiment behind it is not corny at all. This silliness all in the need to make an excuse for or defend Prince needs to stop.

He had an issue with ego. There's no way to spin that.
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Reply #32 posted 01/15/17 7:49pm

imprimis

Guitarhero said:

laytonian said:

I've never heard Madonna dissed for not being there. It was MJ's and Quincy's show. I don't think either P not Madonna wanted to assist MJ's publicity machine. THE ONLY REASON Prince took shit was because of the limo incident. His managers told him to stay at the hotel and he decided to go out. He would never admit it but I'm sure he regretted going out. The paps had no one else to chase that night. I also don't think he wanted to stand next to those other much-taller people at that stage in his career. Curated image, independence. That's our guy. [Edited 1/15/17 12:50pm]

She gets a bye for being on tour at the time. Always thought Prince was a target for the media. So easy for them to attack Prince which is sad. Maybe he should of stayed at the hotel but we are a so called free society and he had every right to go out and do as he pleased.

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Madonna in late 1984/early 1985 was perceived to be a vulgar five-minutes-of-fame starlet, appealing mostly to 11-to-15 year old suburban girls, and soon to fade out. And her only relationship with Jackson at that point was securing a VIP pass backstage on a Victory Tour date the previous Summer, when she was still known mostly for 'Holiday' and 'Lucky Star'. Her increasing fanbase had only recently learned that she wasn't a Black artist, as the record label had attempted to suggest she was early in the marketing cycle for her first album. She was working with Nile Rodgers, hot off the heels of Bowie's 'Let's Dance', but he was incurring much reputational flak for his involvement in what became the 'Like a Virgin' album. She had neither industry prestige nor a friendship or substantive relationship with any of the key players at the time. Her style was admired (by junior high and high school girls, mostly), but she couldn't really sing or dance very well, and a lot of people hoped (and expected) that she would go away.

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All of the above likely weighed in her not being extended an invitation; in a theoretical alternate universe, any appearance certainly would never have gone beyond being in the chorus.

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However, the year did play out ever in her favor, and as a result she did end up getting a lengthy set at the Philadelphia JFK Stadium side of Live Aid, which was affiliated with USA For Africa. 'Love Makes the World Go Round', her own attempt at a peaceable/positive message '4 The Tears In Your Eyes'-type contribution, was demoed for that set (it ended up in revamped form on 'True Blue' the following year). States-side, 1985 kind of became 'her year', just as 1984 had for Prince, and 1983 for MJJ.

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