1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

I can't believe how many videos are gone from YouTube that I used to watch after April 21. I wish at some point the estate would offer DVDs and/or Blu-rays of all of his videos in one package.

It's funny because I keep finding things on YouTube that I haven't seen before. Not everything is being taken down…yet.

This is true for ME too...

I have 199 Prince Videos in my youtube folder...there are deletions going on, but overall eventually things re appear...

I dont think that anyone will be able to control the content any more..Prince is virtually flooding Yotube...and many people, ME INCLUDED are grabbing and saving the Files off line....

and by reading the comments..the majority of Fans have no issue posting his music despite His Previous Stance..

The General consensus seems to be, Prince has gone, His MUSIC is his Legacy and needs to be Heard and if the Estate isnt going to give it to us an a paid FORMAT QUICKLY

we ae going to take it upon ourselves to get it ut there...

Its not about MONEY for us...Its about delivering his message.......

PRNFamily, the family's official Facebook page posted a video from

2004 Qwest Center, The Question of You.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PRNFamily, the family's official Facebook page posted a video from

2004 Qwest Center, The Question of You.

I saw that!!!!!!

Leopard52 said:

rogifan said:

Leopard52 said:

If the estate wants his legacy to continue they better provide a stream or leave YouTube up. It will be so sad not to be able to watch him anywhere. I'd pay a monthly fee. One or two concert cdS IS NOT ENOUGH!

The worst is when people point to WMGGW at the RRHOF as Prince's greatest guitar solo and that's just because it's hard to find anything else on YouTube

Accrued 36 Million Views since April,,,not SUCH a bad thing..but I know What you mean..yeah

Perhaps they go to that clip because it is easy to find. In order to understand Prince, you need to spend some time and research from the beginning.

1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

1Sasha said:

Perhaps they go to that clip because it is easy to find. In order to understand Prince, you need to spend some time and research from the beginning.

Exactly. That's the problem. And what's going to happen once estate heirs are finally settled? I noticed the PRNFamily account promotes Paisley Park and the after dark dance parties and concert showings but they have yet to mention or promote his music on streaming services or any other deals that have been annonced. Who's going to manage these deals going forward? I'm not convinced Tyka and Omarr are going to do the things necessary to keep PP and Prince's memory alive.

This is what people need to be concerned about. Universal is a large company. They are not going to want to stay in business with the estate. They are going to make the family an offer for everything at some point.

Universal can sit on this material and prevent the estate from making money. Until the estate needs to sell it. Remember Prince got rid of Universal has anyone wondered why?

I do not see Universal giving a shit about the video and vault material. It is a massive under taking to catalogue and make this material available for sale in a time when music sales are at an all time low.

I expect the same stupid greatest hits to be put out every few years. The exact same cheese ball stuff that WB had been doing.

I know the family has the option to do Peer to Peer and I hope that is what they do with vault material. Just get the material to the fans who want it without having to wait for Universal.

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laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

This is what people need to be concerned about. Universal is a large company. They are not going to want to stay in business with the estate. They are going to make the family an offer for everything at some point.

Universal can sit on this material and prevent the estate from making money. Until the estate needs to sell it. Remember Prince got rid of Universal has anyone wondered why?

I do not see Universal giving a shit about the video and vault material. It is a massive under taking to catalogue and make this material available for sale in a time when music sales are at an all time low.

I expect the same stupid greatest hits to be put out every few years. The exact same cheese ball stuff that WB had been doing.

I know the family has the option to do Peer to Peer and I hope that is what they do with vault material. Just get the material to the fans who want it without having to wait for Universal.

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Then obviously you want Paisley Park to not be open for very long. Peer to Peer isn't going to earn enough money. There aren't enough die hards or fans in general that even know what that is. However Londell did mention that something peer 2 peer related was being worked on. What exactly have Tyka and Omarr talked about doing with his music? Are they under a gag order or something? Omarr was on Sheila's cruise. Why don't they enlist her to help with the vault? Something else I thought of...people seem to like the food being served at PP. I wonder if they could work with his chefs on a food line that could be sold to the public. Maybe initially sold in local grocery stores and if it's successful expand further. Doesn't Patti Labelle have a food line at Walmart?

The vault material and peer to peer have nothing to do with Paisley Park. The park is being managed by the Graceland people with input from former Paisley Park employees. They are renting it out for corporate events and having activites just like Prince did and he managed to keep it open for 3O years.

You really do not know what is going on do you? Chance The Rapper just had a number 1 album with no recording contract and won grammies. Peer to Peer will get the music ( Vault material) to the fans and it is not as far out as you think. You simply do not need a corporation to get music out to the masses especially when it is vault material that most of the masses know nothing about and may not be interested in.

I know a few months back Omarr had a meeting with many people who worked with Prince and he socilited their input for future projects. I think you need to face up to the facts that the sibs are going to inhireit and are going to run things they way they like much like the Marley family and Hendrix family.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

This is what people need to be concerned about. Universal is a large company. They are not going to want to stay in business with the estate. They are going to make the family an offer for everything at some point.

Universal can sit on this material and prevent the estate from making money. Until the estate needs to sell it. Remember Prince got rid of Universal has anyone wondered why?

I do not see Universal giving a shit about the video and vault material. It is a massive under taking to catalogue and make this material available for sale in a time when music sales are at an all time low.

I expect the same stupid greatest hits to be put out every few years. The exact same cheese ball stuff that WB had been doing.

I know the family has the option to do Peer to Peer and I hope that is what they do with vault material. Just get the material to the fans who want it without having to wait for Universal.

[Edited 2/26/17 12:05pm]

Then obviously you want Paisley Park to not be open for very long. Peer to Peer isn't going to earn enough money. There aren't enough die hards or fans in general that even know what that is. However Londell did mention that something peer 2 peer related was being worked on. What exactly have Tyka and Omarr talked about doing with his music? Are they under a gag order or something? Omarr was on Sheila's cruise. Why don't they enlist her to help with the vault? Something else I thought of...people seem to like the food being served at PP. I wonder if they could work with his chefs on a food line that could be sold to the public. Maybe initially sold in local grocery stores and if it's successful expand further. Doesn't Patti Labelle have a food line at Walmart?

Read about the Marley family and Universal

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/bob-marley-family-royalty-universal-music-279372

Bob Marley's estate has settled a lawsuit that challenged Universal Music Group's hold over key recordings by the reggae legend and also claimed underpayment of royalties from digital downloads. On Thursday, a federal judge in New York overseeing the case accepted a stipulation by the parties to dismiss the dispute without prejudice.

Marley's estate brought the lawsuit in July 2008, alleging that UMG had underpaid millions of dollars of royalties since 2001. Later, the plaintiffs amended the lawsuit to assert for the first time that they owned the renewal term of the copyrights to such 1970s albums as Catch a Fire, Burnin', Natty Dread, Rastaman Vibrations and Exodus. Marley recorded these albums with the Wailers and they included classic songs like "Get Up, Stand Up," "I Shot the Sheriff," "No Woman, No Cry" and "One Love."

PHOTOS: 12 Albums That Go...les Boosts

In September 2011, U.S. District Judge Denise Cote handed UMG a big victory by concluding that the recordings were "works made for hire," thus establishing the label as the author of the works for purposes of copyright law.

As to the question of underpayment on digital downloads, Judge Cote looked at the various contracts and said it was "ambiguous" which agreement between UMG and an entity controlling Marley's affairs should govern royalties on digital downloads.

One signed document gave Marley's estate 60% of receipts from music sold or licensed through "direct transmission to the consumer over wire or through the air" whereas another signed document applied traditional royalty calculations for "records released in formats newly developed as a result of advancing technology."

The question over what portion of digital revenue that record labels should hand over to recording artists is a controversy that is currently being waged in several ongoing lawsuits around the country.

STORY: Bob Marley's Famil...d Likeness

In this dispute, after the ruling last November, the judge ordered a settlement conference, and after more than a year of back-and-forth, the litigation has finally been put to rest. The terms of the settlement haven't been revealed. UMG hasn't yet responded to our request for comment.

Among the people probably relieved by the outcome is U.S. District Judge Katherine Forrest, a former top antitrust and IP attorney who was recently put on the bench and assigned this case in a random reassignment of the docket in November. Among Forrest's pre-judge work as a partner at Cravath, Swaine, & Moore was representing Time Warner in pursuit of digital rights to music and helping lead the early charge for UMG and other labels against LimeWire.

Last month, Forrest denied requests from the Marley plaintiffs that she recuse herself by saying she wouldn't be biased, a decision that might have put some doubt on any trial verdict in the event of an appeal. But now, the case is over anyway.

JMO I cannot see Paisley Park being open 10 years from now as a tourist attraction. I do think it has ongoing potential as a special events venue, but without a massive influx of new fans willing to trek to Chanhassen, I do not foresee a long-term operation there. That being said, my feelings on the musical material is that in order to sustain the legacy, there will be a commercialization of the product which might rankle the hardcore fams. A Cirque show in Las Vegas would be brilliant. A Broadway musical. Songs in commercials, TV shows, movies ... And when people say Prince wouldn't want that, I would say, "Well, then, he should have left a will ..."

1Sasha said:

I do think things would have worked out differently if he had left a will. We'll agree to disagree on that point. A Cirque show would be spectacular; I have never been to one, but I did see several minutes of the Beatles show online, and it was not only beautiful to look at, visually, but artistically - well, you couldn't ask for more. We shall see how things turn out.

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We haven't heard the status of the "96 boxes of Prince-related documents" that had been held by Florida attorney Patrick Cousins, have we?

YET, despite it being obvious who the heirs will be BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW, there has been no legal ruling. What, besides scouring all those documents, could be the hold-up?

Remember the "work products" during the M2 divorce? Those little bits will be nothing compared to what Cousins held back.

If anyone's going to hide a will and cause an uproar, I think PC would be the one.

After all, he basically took that Love4OneAnother church property (that P paid double for, to help out that congregation) and sold it off for $500 going to L4. We don't know how much PC personaloly got for that, do we?

There's gotta be lots more "work products" in the Cousins paperwork, even if there are only references to past wills, trusts, etc.

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1Sasha said:

I do think things would have worked out differently if he had left a will. We'll agree to disagree on that point. A Cirque show would be spectacular; I have never been to one, but I did see several minutes of the Beatles show online, and it was not only beautiful to look at, visually, but artistically - well, you couldn't ask for more. We shall see how things turn out.

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A will does not absolve the estate from paying taxes; all of what's going on now, would still have gone on.

There would still have been predators coming out of the woodwork and if any of them had "good" DNA, a will would be challenged in court so quickly that everyone's heads would spin.

TRUSTS, on the other hand, would have protected the estate.

But it wasn't done. The plans P was making, and we've heard a lot about them, didn't include dying.

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I wonder if the Graceland people have surveyed the ages of the visitors to the site. My thinking on PP is that people between 40 and 65 comprise the majority of Prince's fanbase. As they age, will they be supplemented by people 15 to 35, people who would replace them as fans at some point? The building itself will function but I can't see tourism beyond the 10 years.

laytonian said:

1Sasha said:

1Sasha said:

laytonian said:

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We haven't heard the status of the "96 boxes of Prince-related documents" that had been held by Florida attorney Patrick Cousins, have we?

YET, despite it being obvious who the heirs will be BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW, there has been no legal ruling. What, besides scouring all those documents, could be the hold-up?

Remember the "work products" during the M2 divorce? Those little bits will be nothing compared to what Cousins held back.

If anyone's going to hide a will and cause an uproar, I think PC would be the one.

After all, he basically took that Love4OneAnother church property (that P paid double for, to help out that congregation) and sold it off for $500 going to L4. We don't know how much PC personaloly got for that, do we?

There's gotta be lots more "work products" in the Cousins paperwork, even if there are only references to past wills, trusts, etc.

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In essence, the Judge has said until the appeals process is complete, he is not going to release the ruling on the heirs. This is basically the hold up.

I am interested in the 96 boxes content as well. Time will tell if there is any relevant information. I would imagine if a will was in the contents, it will be newsworthy. Cousins is already treading water with his shady actions, not revealing a will (if there is one) would open a whole new storm.

nelcp777 said:

laytonian said:

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We haven't heard the status of the "96 boxes of Prince-related documents" that had been held by Florida attorney Patrick Cousins, have we?

YET, despite it being obvious who the heirs will be BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW, there has been no legal ruling. What, besides scouring all those documents, could be the hold-up?

Remember the "work products" during the M2 divorce? Those little bits will be nothing compared to what Cousins held back.

If anyone's going to hide a will and cause an uproar, I think PC would be the one.

After all, he basically took that Love4OneAnother church property (that P paid double for, to help out that congregation) and sold it off for $500 going to L4. We don't know how much PC personaloly got for that, do we?

There's gotta be lots more "work products" in the Cousins paperwork, even if there are only references to past wills, trusts, etc.

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In essence, the Judge has said until the appeals process is complete, he is not going to release the ruling on the heirs. This is basically the hold up.

I am interested in the 96 boxes content as well. Time will tell if there is any relevant information. I would imagine if a will was in the contents, it will be newsworthy. Cousins is already treading water with his shady actions, not revealing a will (if there is one) would open a whole new storm.

We dont know what the work product consisted of that was being held by Ps prior attorneys, and we dont know whether it had anything to do with his divorce from M2.

Work product = Information that cannot be revealed by P's attorneys.

This information was between P and his attorneys, and was not given to M2

or her attorneys.

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

laurarichardson said:

--So M2 has no idea what the work product is? Do you think the work product could be a trust or a settlement? I keep thinking that P souled have had more assets. Everyone keeps going on about liquid cash but it is his overall assets that I find interesting. I believe he gave a lot of money away and that some it may gone to a trust.

If M2 or her attorney knew about it then it would no longer be "work product."

It could be anything.

P didnt want anyone else to know, and he specifically

told his attorney not to reveal this information.

That is why it is called "work product."

laytonian said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: