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Printablerogifan said: laurarichardson said: --It is weird and I do not buy that he was gravely ill. That mess came from Dr. K who must have figured this out by being able to examine Prince all the way to California via the phone. Unless Prince picked a miracle drug at Walgreens I do not believe he was gravely ill as on death's door. From the unamed source all of the Fenenyl was found to be in his system 24 hours before his death. Something occurred in those hours and I believe KJ knows. So Kirk was involved in the death of Prince (or knows who was) and yet he's allowed to be very much involved in the management of Paisley Park as a museum (and is often there greeting fans who do tours), and will also be doing shows as a member of the original NPG? Ok if that's the case that is f'd up. If what you say is true why would the family allow him anywhere near PP?  --We are saying he was with Prince that day and he knows what went on. He is not manager of Paisley Park and you can't lock someone up for being at the scence of the crime. When this case is closed names are going to come out about how was being questioned and why. You also need to realize this case is not closed and the police are not to do anything to tip anyone off. | |
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: So Kirk was involved in the death of Prince (or knows who was) and yet he's allowed to be very much involved in the management of Paisley Park as a museum (and is often there greeting fans who do tours), and will also be doing shows as a member of the original NPG? Ok if that's the case that is f'd up. If what you say is true why would the family allow him anywhere near PP? --We are saying he was with Prince that day and he knows what went on. He is not manager of Paisley Park and you can't lock someone up for being at the scence of the crime. When this case is closed names are going to come out about how was being questioned and why. You also need to realize this case is not closed and the police are not to do anything to tip anyone off. And? What is the issue unless he was somehow involved or covering up for someone who was involved? And if that's the case then he shouldn't be anywhere near PP or associated with the estate in any way. I'm sure there's lots of things he knows that fans will never know. Paisley Park is in your heart
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rogifan said: laurarichardson said: --We are saying he was with Prince that day and he knows what went on. He is not manager of Paisley Park and you can't lock someone up for being at the scence of the crime. When this case is closed names are going to come out about how was being questioned and why. You also need to realize this case is not closed and the police are not to do anything to tip anyone off. And? What is the issue unless he was somehow involved or covering up for someone who was involved? And if that's the case then he shouldn't be anywhere near PP or associated with the estate in any way. I'm sure there's lots of things he knows that fans will never know. . It is entirely possible that P was ordering the drugs himself, over the internet. Or had his own contacts. The only way to trace the source of the drugs is to analyze them against other pills from a known source. P was alone when he died. He was dead for about six hours, when found. He had been dropped off over 12 hours before. I see no reason for a conspiracy. All I see is someone taking a drug he thought was something else, hours before he knew he was going to get help. Hindsight is 20/20. He was alone half the nights at Paisley. Who could guess which night was going to end like this one did? Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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rogifan said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Well said Laura, You are not alone with those thoughts. There are a few names from that day along with KJ. And have any of them been shunned by the family? Kirk is still involved with PP and regularly there meeting fans who do tours. Unless the family is in on all this too. Yet guys like McMillan and Koppelman are supposedly the villans. None of it makes sense to me. Princes death makes no sense...the facts don't add up nothing that day added up and a lot of suspicion still surrounds many. Back to the estate ... Do we know why Phaedra was settled out of court? Who paid her? | |
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IMO after Moline, he should have been accompanied by at least one person 24/7. Yes I know - Prince being Prince he would have said no to that. I honestly don't care. Someone should have stood up to him or tried to get the Minnesota equivalent of a 5150 psych hold or something to keep the drugs away from his mouth. He was 112 pounds and other people had keys to the building. He was killing himself with that stuff and that fateful last day he gets dropped off and left by himself? I don't think he had any idea Andrew was coming. I don't know if what JH said he said in Moline was true, but someone should have been with him. Period. Like I said, I don't care what he wanted - the addict should not be in control in these circumstances. I know he didn't take the drugs to get high - he took them for pain at least at one time - but where were the people crying on the TV after he died? They sure weren't at PP looking after him. | |
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laytonian said: rogifan said: And? What is the issue unless he was somehow involved or covering up for someone who was involved? And if that's the case then he shouldn't be anywhere near PP or associated with the estate in any way. I'm sure there's lots of things he knows that fans will never know. . It is entirely possible that P was ordering the drugs himself, over the internet. Or had his own contacts. The only way to trace the source of the drugs is to analyze them against other pills from a known source. P was alone when he died. He was dead for about six hours, when found. He had been dropped off over 12 hours before. I see no reason for a conspiracy. All I see is someone taking a drug he thought was something else, hours before he knew he was going to get help. Hindsight is 20/20. He was alone half the nights at Paisley. Who could guess which night was going to end like this one did? --Don't you think that if they found that he brought the drugs over the Internet they would have closed the case by now. Police departments want to close cases quickly not keep them open especially something like an o.d. case. People O.D. every day and the police don't look for the dealer for 10 months. Also the police released a statement that were looking at persons or a person as a suspect. Things like this happen all the time and they are not conspiracies just people doing jacked up stuff. [Edited 2/10/17 10:38am] [Edited 2/10/17 10:39am] | |
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1Sasha said: IMO after Moline, he should have been accompanied by at least one person 24/7. Yes I know - Prince being Prince he would have said no to that. I honestly don't care. Someone should have stood up to him or tried to get the Minnesota equivalent of a 5150 psych hold or something to keep the drugs away from his mouth. He was 112 pounds and other people had keys to the building. He was killing himself with that stuff and that fateful last day he gets dropped off and left by himself? I don't think he had any idea Andrew was coming. I don't know if what JH said he said in Moline was true, but someone should have been with him. Period. Like I said, I don't care what he wanted - the addict should not be in control in these circumstances. I know he didn't take the drugs to get high - he took them for pain at least at one time - but where were the people crying on the TV after he died? They sure weren't at PP looking after him. All of what you said makes me believe he had other issues beside drugs going on and maybe people around knew that. | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: rogifan said: And have any of them been shunned by the family? Kirk is still involved with PP and regularly there meeting fans who do tours. Unless the family is in on all this too. Yet guys like McMillan and Koppelman are supposedly the villans. None of it makes sense to me. Princes death makes no sense...the facts don't add up nothing that day added up and a lot of suspicion still surrounds many. Back to the estate ... Do we know why Phaedra was settled out of court? Who paid her? --I would love to know if they settled out of court with her and why she was fired in the first place. How come no one wants talk about that and this contract that Roc Nation has and those payments that Bremer and Londell said did not exsist. | |
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laurarichardson said: ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
Are we sure Kirk went on vacation? Many news outlets confused Kirk with P's fulltime bodyguard Chris Gaither who did in fact go on vacation.
--/Yes, it Mr. Gaither that was on vacation the week Prince died so he was already gone. perfect time for a crime, when his bodyguard is not around. I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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All of these questions we are asking: there are people outside of the investigators who know the answers and NO ONE is talking. IMO that is not a result of Prince's legendary desire for privacy: he died on their watch. Yes, he put the pill or pills in his mouth, but nobody fought him on this. This is the one thing I am angry about to this day. | |
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That is why I think other things were going on then drug addiction. Some people know nothing and some people do know and want to respect his privacy. Prince did a lot of things for people too many things really and I think people have a lot of gratitude which is keeping people quiet.
I think some who were close to him may feel guilty and other just want to protect his privacy
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1Sasha said: All of these questions we are asking: there are people outside of the investigators who know the answers and NO ONE is talking. IMO that is not a result of Prince's legendary desire for privacy: he died on their watch. Yes, he put the pill or pills in his mouth, but nobody fought him on this. This is the one thing I am angry about to this day. He died on who's watch? He was a grown man not a child! The person responsible for Prince was Prince. Paisley Park is in your heart
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laytonian said: rogifan said: And? What is the issue unless he was somehow involved or covering up for someone who was involved? And if that's the case then he shouldn't be anywhere near PP or associated with the estate in any way. I'm sure there's lots of things he knows that fans will never know. . It is entirely possible that P was ordering the drugs himself, over the internet. Or had his own contacts. The only way to trace the source of the drugs is to analyze them against other pills from a known source. P was alone when he died. He was dead for about six hours, when found. He had been dropped off over 12 hours before. I see no reason for a conspiracy. All I see is someone taking a drug he thought was something else, hours before he knew he was going to get help. Hindsight is 20/20. He was alone half the nights at Paisley. Who could guess which night was going to end like this one did? Exactly. As the sherrif said there were many times that Prince spent the night alone at PP. Nothing unusual about it. This conspiracy stuff drives me crazy. Paisley Park is in your heart
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1Sasha said: IMO after Moline, he should have been accompanied by at least one person 24/7. Yes I know - Prince being Prince he would have said no to that. I honestly don't care. Someone should have stood up to him or tried to get the Minnesota equivalent of a 5150 psych hold or something to keep the drugs away from his mouth. He was 112 pounds and other people had keys to the building. He was killing himself with that stuff and that fateful last day he gets dropped off and left by himself? I don't think he had any idea Andrew was coming. I don't know if what JH said he said in Moline was true, but someone should have been with him. Period. Like I said, I don't care what he wanted - the addict should not be in control in these circumstances. I know he didn't take the drugs to get high - he took them for pain at least at one time - but where were the people crying on the TV after he died? They sure weren't at PP looking after him. One, do we know that no one did any of this and two how much can one really do? I speak from experience. My father was an alcoholic. He ended up in the hospital because of it. He refused to go for treatment. There is nothing the doctors could do, nothing we could do. You can't force an adult to do something against their will. Maybe you can if they are mentally incapacitated or their is a fear they will take their own life. But as far as I know there are zero indications that a Prince was suicidal or losing his mind. Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: PurpleDiamonds1 said: Princes death makes no sense...the facts don't add up nothing that day added up and a lot of suspicion still surrounds many. Back to the estate ... Do we know why Phaedra was settled out of court? Who paid her? --I would love to know if they settled out of court with her and why she was fired in the first place. How come no one wants talk about that and this contract that Roc Nation has and those payments that Bremer and Londell said did not exsist. I wish I had the answers but Once again something does not seem right /add up. Some here are not here for Prince and believe and defend the media. | |
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Rogifan, I hear you. Like I said, Prince would probably not have allowed anyone to even try to dictate what he should or should not do. Yes, he was ultimately responsible for ingesting the drugs. Our family has gone through trials with addiction ... I understand it has to be the addict's choice to climb out of the pit. But I still do not forgive. | |
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ALL of this is true, of course. But the one key difference is that those around him knew a nadir had been reached because they requested urgent assistance from out of state and Prince was described as being 'gravely ill'.
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1Sasha said: Rogifan, I hear you. Like I said, Prince would probably not have allowed anyone to even try to dictate what he should or should not do. Yes, he was ultimately responsible for ingesting the drugs. Our family has gone through trials with addiction ... I understand it has to be the addict's choice to climb out of the pit. But I still do not forgive. Totally understand. And now I'm done with this topic. Gawd I hate when I get sucked in. 😔 Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: laytonian said: . It is entirely possible that P was ordering the drugs himself, over the internet. Or had his own contacts. The only way to trace the source of the drugs is to analyze them against other pills from a known source. P was alone when he died. He was dead for about six hours, when found. He had been dropped off over 12 hours before. I see no reason for a conspiracy. All I see is someone taking a drug he thought was something else, hours before he knew he was going to get help. Hindsight is 20/20. He was alone half the nights at Paisley. Who could guess which night was going to end like this one did? --Don't you think that if they found that he brought the drugs over the Internet they would have closed the case by now. Police departments want to close cases quickly not keep them open especially something like an o.d. case. People O.D. every day and the police don't look for the dealer for 10 months. Also the police released a statement that were looking at persons or a person as a suspect. Things like this happen all the time and they are not conspiracies just people doing jacked up stuff. [Edited 2/10/17 10:38am] [Edited 2/10/17 10:39am] No, that would not close the case UNLESS they tracked down the manufacturer-seller. Go take a look at the websites selling this stuff. They deal in bircoin and are undercover. People accusing JH of lying? Why? Her public statements are impeachable in court if she told investigators something else. She's obviously been interviewed because we know there is one person who has not talked. But I'm not going to convict anyone of homicide unless they knowingly furnished misnamed pulls. I truly do not believe anyone close to P had bad intent. Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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There is something else people need to keep in mind: The government and state'HIV/AIDS registers that can be used convict anyone infected who has sex with another person. Anyone diagnosed is on such a list. For this and other reasons, I believe P was not dying of a terminal times. He was a youthful loiking SENIOR CITIZEN who likely never weighed much more than 113. [Edited 2/10/17 12:26pm] Welcome to "the org", laytonian… come bathe with me. |
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I never thought he had HIV or AIDs. Some people have made a good case for leukemia, but none of us know for sure. The problems he had eating ... That is a big red flag for me. For what condition, I don't know, but it was not normal. | |
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laytonian said: . There is something else people need to keep in mind: The government and state'HIV/AIDS registers that can be used convict anyone infected who has sex with another person. Anyone diagnosed is on such a list. For this and other reasons, I believe P was not dying of a terminal times. He was a youthful loiking SENIOR CITIZEN who likely never weighed much more than 113. [Edited 2/10/17 12:26pm] --Then what do you think 65k in medical expenses were for. What do you think the chef meant about "they lied to us about his health", Why do you think Dr.S wrote him Rxs, Why was he seeing Dr. S he does spececialize in addictions or pain management, Why is Dr. S listed as a critical care doctor on one site. Why do at least a half a dozen people say "We do not know the whole story" I do not believe he had AIDS he would have to register and the lawsuits would be flying. Women would not be signing his praises they would be suing left and right. | |
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laytonian said: laurarichardson said: --Don't you think that if they found that he brought the drugs over the Internet they would have closed the case by now. Police departments want to close cases quickly not keep them open especially something like an o.d. case. People O.D. every day and the police don't look for the dealer for 10 months. Also the police released a statement that were looking at persons or a person as a suspect. Things like this happen all the time and they are not conspiracies just people doing jacked up stuff. [Edited 2/10/17 10:38am] [Edited 2/10/17 10:39am] No, that would not close the case UNLESS they tracked down the manufacturer-seller. Go take a look at the websites selling this stuff. They deal in bircoin and are undercover. People accusing JH of lying? Why? Her public statements are impeachable in court if she told investigators something else. She's obviously been interviewed because we know there is one person who has not talked. But I'm not going to convict anyone of homicide unless they knowingly furnished misnamed pulls. I truly do not believe anyone close to P had bad intent. -/The police have long seized his computer and contacted his internet provider. I don't think a non-trusting person like Prince would buy something off the net. If the police believed this they would make an arrest or close the case. I have spoken to people in law enforcement about this. I believe the police have an idea who did it but do not have enough evidence to arrest anyone. | |
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Seriously. There is no way they can snip this conversation.
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It appears from the Order filed today Phaedra was only worried about liability, and they mutually agreed she was relieved of all responsibilities as of April 27, 2016. Also, Roc Nation is seeking a Restraining Order against the Estate without a hearing in regard to streaming rights.
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: It appears from the Order filed today Phaedra was only worried about liability, and they mutually agreed she was relieved of all responsibilities as of April 27, 2016. Also, Roc Nation is seeking a Restraining Order against the Estate without a hearing in regard to streaming rights.
[Edited 2/10/17 14:36pm] That's all the Estate needs is a big PR campaign about Prince coming to streaming services and then Tidal mucking everything up.  Paisley Park is in your heart
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said: It appears from the Order filed today Phaedra was only worried about liability, and they mutually agreed she was relieved of all responsibilities as of April 27, 2016. Also, Roc Nation is seeking a Restraining Order against the Estate without a hearing in regard to streaming rights.
[Edited 2/10/17 14:36pm] --Now Phedra can go off the killer list and some of you can rest at night now that black professional women has been cleared (😳 Of course Tidal is going to take action Prince had a contract with them and if they made 4 payments of 780k they are going to want what they paid for. Those two albums and continued streaming until the deal ends. Not to mention they were accused of copyright infringement. I hope they do sue because this is who Prince wanted to do business with and after he hit 2 mill out if them which is good for someone who was in finacial disarray. | |
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