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Are we sure Kirk went on vacation? Many news outlets confused Kirk with P's fulltime bodyguard Chris Gaither who did in fact go on vacation.
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I saw a press release where P was looking to have his music used in TV shows, movies, etc. I will see if I can find the press release.
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Thanks Kara!!! This is the press release I was talking about. | |
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Official press release from UMG. http://www.billboard.com/articles/business/7684897/billboard-2017-power-100-list . "highly anticipated trove of unreleased works." . They get the vault too? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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Kara said:
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But after he received the masters I do not recall his music being in any video games. I don't recall any songs in any movies. Maybe he had Karaoke which have gone back to WB days but I am not sure he was actively persuing this revenue stream. I only remember hearing 319 in some commercial and Contrversy was in scandal. I just did not see the evidence of Prince actively chasing revenue streams after NPG LLC became the administration of his music. Maybe he was picky about where he wanted the music to go or had plans to do something down the road. | |
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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:
Are we sure Kirk went on vacation? Many news outlets confused Kirk with P's fulltime bodyguard Chris Gaither who did in fact go on vacation.
--/Yes, it Mr. Gaither that was on vacation the week Prince died so he was already gone. | |
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oliviacamron said: rogifan said: I don't know what to believe anymore. Especially after reading that Billboard interview with Londell and Charles Koppelman. It sounds like the last few years of Prince's life the business side was a bit of a mess, opportunities not being taken advantage of, money being left on the table etc. Yet we've all been conditioned to believe Bremer, Londell, Charles, etc. are the bad guys just in it to make $$$ for themselves while Tyka, Omarr, Van etc. are the good guys that only care about protecting Prince's legacy. I don't know why Kirk became the bad guy. The reasons seem kind of flimsy to me. Did he drop him off after the hospital visit and Walgreen's when he was in grave medical danger to die. Kirk lived so so close yet just left him. We don't know anything about what really happened, especially that he was in grave medical danger to die. None of these rumors have been confirmed by anyone. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Going back to the estate, looks like the streaming deal is concrete and stuff will be available from Sunday:
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laurarichardson said: Kara said:
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But after he received the masters I do not recall his music being in any video games. I don't recall any songs in any movies. Maybe he had Karaoke which have gone back to WB days but I am not sure he was actively persuing this revenue stream. I only remember hearing 319 in some commercial and Contrversy was in scandal. I just did not see the evidence of Prince actively chasing revenue streams after NPG LLC became the administration of his music. Maybe he was picky about where he wanted the music to go or had plans to do something down the road. Right and nothing has happened with UMG yet either. Take a look at the artists associated with UMG. It's basically a who's who of the industry including artists from Metallica to Amy Winehouse to Ray Charles. There's probably no better place for Prince's music to be now that he's not here to oversee things. http://www.udiscovermusic...ll-artists Paisley Park is in your heart
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Btw this is what Prince said in 2014: "I'm a very in-the-moment person," he continues. "I do what feels good in the moment. ... I'm not on a schedule, and I don't have any sort of contractual ties. I don't know in history if there's been any musicians that have been self-sufficient like that, not beholden. I have giant bills, large payrolls, so I do have to do tours. ... But there's no need to record anymore." OK that might have worked when Prince was alive and could tour to pay the bills but can anyone objectively say that's how a business should be run? The estate certainly can't be run that way now that he's no longer here. For me as a fan the most important things are: 1. Keeping Paisley Park alive and a place that people will want to visit for decades to come 2. Exposing his music to the widest audience possible, especially younger generations 3. Getting out unreleased music including live shows and stuff from the vault Seems to me this UMG deal covers 2 and 3 which if successful will help take care of 1. Paisley Park is in your heart
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rogifan said: Btw this is what Prince said in 2014: "I'm a very in-the-moment person," he continues. "I do what feels good in the moment. ... I'm not on a schedule, and I don't have any sort of contractual ties. I don't know in history if there's been any musicians that have been self-sufficient like that, not beholden. I have giant bills, large payrolls, so I do have to do tours. ... But there's no need to record anymore." OK that might have worked when Prince was alive and could tour to pay the bills but can anyone objectively say that's how a business should be run? The estate certainly can't be run that way now that he's no longer here. For me as a fan the most important things are: 1. Keeping Paisley Park alive and a place that people will want to visit for decades to come 2. Exposing his music to the widest audience possible, especially younger generations 3. Getting out unreleased music including live shows and stuff from the vault Seems to me this UMG deal covers 2 and 3 which if successful will help take care of 1. --I do not remember anyone saying it was a bad deal. Just what Koppleman said was untrue and unprofessional. You do realize that these two are going to be out of the picture one day and that Universal will try to buy the whole catalog. | |
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rogifan said: oliviacamron said: Did he drop him off after the hospital visit and Walgreen's when he was in grave medical danger to die. Kirk lived so so close yet just left him. We don't know anything about what really happened, especially that he was in grave medical danger to die. None of these rumors have been confirmed by anyone. - 13 hours are not accounted for and I still have not figured out how a gravely ill near death man is coming back to Paisley Park at 8:00pm. Where was the gravely ill man all day? This whole part of the story makes no sense whatsoever. | |
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: Btw this is what Prince said in 2014: OK that might have worked when Prince was alive and could tour to pay the bills but can anyone objectively say that's how a business should be run? The estate certainly can't be run that way now that he's no longer here. For me as a fan the most important things are: 1. Keeping Paisley Park alive and a place that people will want to visit for decades to come 2. Exposing his music to the widest audience possible, especially younger generations 3. Getting out unreleased music including live shows and stuff from the vault Seems to me this UMG deal covers 2 and 3 which if successful will help take care of 1. --I do not remember anyone saying it was a bad deal. Just what Koppleman said was untrue and unprofessional. You do realize that these two are going to be out of the picture one day and that Universal will try to buy the whole catalog. No I don't realize that. Don't makes stuff up. And I don't think what he said was necessarily untrue or unprofessional. Paisley Park is in your heart
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So I'm curious...neither Hit N Run Phase 1 or 2 are licensed to WB but for some reason Phase 2 is available to stream on Apple Music right now (and both are available to purchase on iTunes). Are those part of the Universal deal? Will Phase 2 still be available for streaming after this deal goes live? And the UMG deal supposedly starts with Emancipation so what happens to The Gold Experience? Does it fall through the cracks? Paisley Park is in your heart
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laurarichardson said: rogifan said: Btw this is what Prince said in 2014: OK that might have worked when Prince was alive and could tour to pay the bills but can anyone objectively say that's how a business should be run? The estate certainly can't be run that way now that he's no longer here. For me as a fan the most important things are: 1. Keeping Paisley Park alive and a place that people will want to visit for decades to come 2. Exposing his music to the widest audience possible, especially younger generations 3. Getting out unreleased music including live shows and stuff from the vault Seems to me this UMG deal covers 2 and 3 which if successful will help take care of 1. --I do not remember anyone saying it was a bad deal. Just what Koppleman said was untrue and unprofessional. You do realize that these two are going to be out of the picture one day and that Universal will try to buy the whole catalog. I've seen plenty of posts on FB and Twitter saying this isn't what Prince would have wanted. But I'm actually with Funkenberry on this one. The only side I'm on is the side of the Estate doing whatever it needs to to ensure Paisley Park's survival. People can hate the suits all they want but they're the ones making deals now that will make the estate money in the future. Paisley Park is in your heart
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LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. | |
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As a huge Beatles fan, I was not thrilled when Lennon/McCartney tunes started showing up in commercials after Michael Jackson bought the early catalogue. But you know what? Use in those commercials - and ever since - has brought their music to new generations. The Cirque show has brought their music to new generations. This will have to be done in order for Prince's music to survive and thrive. He may not have liked it, but he did not leave specific instructions on how to handle the music aspect of his estate; therefore, actions will be taken to insure the longevity of the product and increased revenue to the heirs. It's not personal, it's business. | |
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Off the top of my head, Gett Off was in the movie The Last Boy Scout with Bruce Willis. Show Girls had Ripop if I recall correctly.
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Another thing: the recent David Bowie exhibit was an extraordinary success. Why couldn't one be mounted for Prince? It would be here (USA) and in London, just like David's. The man kept just about everything - it could be spectacular. I went to a Beatles exhibit at a casino recently - it wasn't that great - but a lot of people were streaming through. I think a Prince exhibition outside of PP would do tremendous business and make new fans along the way. [Edited 2/10/17 5:52am] | |
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Off the top of my head, Gett Off was in the movie The Last Boy Scout with Bruce Willis. Show Girls had Ripop if I recall correctly.
-- That was before he became his own admin. | |
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1Sasha said: Another thing: the recent David Bowie exhibit was an extraordinary success. Why couldn't one be mounted for Prince? It would be here (USA) and in London, just like David's. The man kept just about everything - it could be spectacular. I went to a Beatles exhibit at a casino recently - it wasn't that great - but a lot of people were streaming through. I think a Prince exhibition outside of PP would do tremendous business and make new fans along the way. [Edited 2/10/17 5:52am] The tiny exhibit they had at the Mall of America was always filled with people. Paisley Park is in your heart
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1Sasha said:
LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. Absence of information to whom? The people investigating the case or the general public? Paisley Park is in your heart
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1Sasha said:
As a huge Beatles fan, I was not thrilled when Lennon/McCartney tunes started showing up in commercials after Michael Jackson bought the early catalogue. But you know what? Use in those commercials - and ever since - has brought their music to new generations. The Cirque show has brought their music to new generations. This will have to be done in order for Prince's music to survive and thrive. He may not have liked it, but he did not leave specific instructions on how to handle the music aspect of his estate; therefore, actions will be taken to insure the longevity of the product and increased revenue to the heirs. It's not personal, it's business. I hope commercials is the last thing they do and only if they absolutely have no other choice. I would love to see an immediate focus of getting post '94 music on streaming services and making live stuff available for purchase. Paisley Park is in your heart
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LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. --It is weird and I do not buy that he was gravely ill. That mess came from Dr. K who must have figured this out by being able to examine Prince all the way to California via the phone. Unless Prince picked a miracle drug at Walgreens I do not believe he was gravely ill as on death's door. From the unamed source all of the Fenenyl was found to be in his system 24 hours before his death. Something occurred in those hours and I believe KJ knows. | |
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rogifan said: 1Sasha said:
LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. Absence of information to whom? The people investigating the case or the general public? /-The general public. I believe the investigators know what and who. | |
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laurarichardson said: 1Sasha said:
LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. --It is weird and I do not buy that he was gravely ill. That mess came from Dr. K who must have figured this out by being able to examine Prince all the way to California via the phone. Unless Prince picked a miracle drug at Walgreens I do not believe he was gravely ill as on death's door. From the unamed source all of the Fenenyl was found to be in his system 24 hours before his death. Something occurred in those hours and I believe KJ knows. Well said Laura, You are not alone with those thoughts. There are a few names from that day along with KJ. | |
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General public. The investigators have known all about that day since the 21st, I think. | |
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laurarichardson said: 1Sasha said:
LR, wasn't he at the hospital the morning of April 20? I am in total agreement with you that the absence of any information about that day - except for the Walgreen's run and the 8 p.m. drop-off - makes everything suspect. --It is weird and I do not buy that he was gravely ill. That mess came from Dr. K who must have figured this out by being able to examine Prince all the way to California via the phone. Unless Prince picked a miracle drug at Walgreens I do not believe he was gravely ill as on death's door. From the unamed source all of the Fenenyl was found to be in his system 24 hours before his death. Something occurred in those hours and I believe KJ knows. So Kirk was involved in the death of Prince (or knows who was) and yet he's allowed to be very much involved in the management of Paisley Park as a museum (and is often there greeting fans who do tours), and will also be doing shows as a member of the original NPG? Ok if that's the case that is f'd up. If what you say is true why would the family allow him anywhere near PP?  Paisley Park is in your heart
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: laurarichardson said: --It is weird and I do not buy that he was gravely ill. That mess came from Dr. K who must have figured this out by being able to examine Prince all the way to California via the phone. Unless Prince picked a miracle drug at Walgreens I do not believe he was gravely ill as on death's door. From the unamed source all of the Fenenyl was found to be in his system 24 hours before his death. Something occurred in those hours and I believe KJ knows. Well said Laura, You are not alone with those thoughts. There are a few names from that day along with KJ. And have any of them been shunned by the family? Kirk is still involved with PP and regularly there meeting fans who do tours. Unless the family is in on all this too. Yet guys like McMillan and Koppelman are supposedly the villans. None of it makes sense to me. Paisley Park is in your heart
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