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Reply #660 posted 02/02/17 11:45am

1Sasha

There is a reason their business relationship was terminated. LM should put all paperwork on-line - be transparent. Show the world the actual documentation. Let the world pick it over and see either a)LM is telling the truth or b)LM is not. Fighting things out on social media is just fake news.

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Reply #661 posted 02/02/17 11:47am

morningsong

1Sasha said:

Billboard has a new article about these goings-on: it says the Estate paid $21 million in taxes on January 23, with the balance due in six months.



I wonder how much of a percentage that is of the total? Noisy people want to know.

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Reply #662 posted 02/02/17 12:03pm

1Sasha

I wondered, too, because I didn't think the amount had been determined yet. Even the MJ estate is fighting its valuation all these years later.

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Reply #663 posted 02/02/17 12:20pm

rogifan

morningsong said:



1Sasha said:


Billboard has a new article about these goings-on: it says the Estate paid $21 million in taxes on January 23, with the balance due in six months.





I wonder how much of a percentage that is of the total? Noisy people want to know.


How do they determine what the vault is worth?
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Reply #664 posted 02/02/17 12:41pm

1Sasha

I have no idea. With streaming, future sales, etc. - it seems ridiculous to me that the government would want to speculate on something 20 years in the future.

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Reply #665 posted 02/02/17 12:46pm

Rev

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If they can pay the taxes and lump sum the older siblings. I think they will be fine.

Paisley Park will need to evolve into a money stream, but vault and existing catalog is gold.

I've been fan since the late 70's. If they offer us quality products, I will purchase.

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Reply #666 posted 02/02/17 1:37pm

laytonian

rogifan said:

morningsong said:



1Sasha said:


Billboard has a new article about these goings-on: it says the Estate paid $21 million in taxes on January 23, with the balance due in six months.





I wonder how much of a percentage that is of the total? Noisy people want to know.


How do they determine what the vault is worth?

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They haven't. The cars, vault, costumes and other items have not been appraised.
Right now, the game is to minimize the value of those items, to reduce taxes.
I'm still wondering where the $21 million came from to pay the taxes.
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Reply #667 posted 02/02/17 1:56pm

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laytonian said:

rogifan said:


How do they determine what the vault is worth?

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They haven't. The cars, vault, costumes and other items have not been appraised.
Right now, the game is to minimize the value of those items, to reduce taxes.
I'm still wondering where the $21 million came from to pay the taxes.

--Record sales he sold more music then anyone else last year. They also sold real estate and remember he had about 15 million in his corporations and Breamer seemed hell bent on dismantling them. The estate may have received some up front money for the deals Lonnie put together. In addition, the estate taxes can be paid installments and as long as the govt knows money is coming in they have no problem accepting installment plans something the idiot media does not report.
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Reply #668 posted 02/02/17 1:57pm

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1Sasha said:

I have no idea. With streaming, future sales, etc. - it seems ridiculous to me that the government would want to speculate on something 20 years in the future.


No it is not as long as the government knows money is coming they have no problem.
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Reply #669 posted 02/02/17 5:07pm

rap

I am beginning to see why Prince wanted little or nothing to do with his siblings!!

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Reply #670 posted 02/02/17 5:59pm

morningsong

Rev said:

If they can pay the taxes and lump sum the older siblings. I think they will be fine.

Paisley Park will need to evolve into a money stream, but vault and existing catalog is gold.

I've been fan since the late 70's. If they offer us quality products, I will purchase.





Listening to Susan's interview made me very hopeful about the Vault stuff. We shall see.

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Reply #671 posted 02/02/17 9:18pm

morningsong

Good Gawd! I'm not reading all that!
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Reply #672 posted 02/03/17 11:45am

morningsong

37. Ms. Fasen testified on January 12 that the monetization of the Estate's intellectual property can only be recorded on a probate accounting when there is actual income.


I guess this kind of answers the question on the vault's worth.

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Reply #673 posted 02/03/17 1:14pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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The Judge just signed an order allowing a Confidential Settlement Agreement.

Who are they settling with and why?

eek

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Reply #674 posted 02/03/17 1:43pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge just signed an order allowing a Confidential Settlement Agreement.


Who are they settling with and why?


eek


--I thought it was the Make A Wish people due to canceled benefit which seems like more incompetece in the part of the bank.
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Reply #675 posted 02/03/17 1:47pm

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morningsong said:

37. Ms. Fasen testified on January 12 that the monetization of the Estate's intellectual property can only be recorded on a probate accounting when there is actual income.


I guess this kind of answers the question on the vault's worth.


-/Someone correct me if I am wrong but is this not a good thing as it lowers the value of the estate therefore less taxes to pay. I would also think it would the estate to get the vault music out.
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Reply #676 posted 02/03/17 1:55pm

1Sasha

I was thinking the same thing.

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Reply #677 posted 02/03/17 2:00pm

rogifan

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:



I guess this kind of answers the question on the vault's worth.


-/Someone correct me if I am wrong but is this not a good thing as it lowers the value of the estate therefore less taxes to pay. I would also think it would the estate to get the vault music out.

Not a good thing or is a good thing? confused
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Reply #678 posted 02/03/17 3:01pm

morningsong

laurarichardson said:

morningsong said:



I guess this kind of answers the question on the vault's worth.

-/Someone correct me if I am wrong but is this not a good thing as it lowers the value of the estate therefore less taxes to pay. I would also think it would the estate to get the vault music out.



Sounds about right to me. The Fedgov will continuously get its cut, I don't see why an unsold product has to be estimated right now.

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Reply #679 posted 02/03/17 3:07pm

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rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:


-/Someone correct me if I am wrong but is this not a good thing as it lowers the value of the estate therefore less taxes to pay. I would also think it would the estate to get the vault music out.

Not a good thing or is a good thing? confused

-/I am asking is it good or bad. I think it is a good thing but I am not sure.
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Reply #680 posted 02/03/17 3:11pm

Lovejunky

laurarichardson said:

rogifan said:
Not a good thing or is a good thing? confused
-/I am asking is it good or bad. I think it is a good thing but I am not sure.

Good Thing"

Pay Taxes on the Lowest estimation, get them out of the way, satisfy the damn government then MOVE FORWARDS and get his Music out there...

World NEEDS it....Dear Mr Man !!!!!!!!!

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Reply #681 posted 02/03/17 3:35pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge just signed an order allowing a Confidential Settlement Agreement.

Who are they settling with and why?

eek

--I thought it was the Make A Wish people due to canceled benefit which seems like more incompetece in the part of the bank.

Make A Wish claim was denied by the Judge in November 2016

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Reply #682 posted 02/03/17 4:38pm

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:



laurarichardson said:


ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge just signed an order allowing a Confidential Settlement Agreement.


Who are they settling with and why?


eek



--I thought it was the Make A Wish people due to canceled benefit which seems like more incompetece in the part of the bank.

Make A Wish claim was denied by the Judge in November 2016


--If you go under 1/31/2017 Down 5 from the top you will see Motion to seal settlement with Make A Wish. I am assuming they filed an appeal.
[Edited 2/3/17 16:39pm]
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Reply #683 posted 02/03/17 5:09pm

ISaidLifeIsJus
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laurarichardson said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

Make A Wish claim was denied by the Judge in November 2016

--If you go under 1/31/2017 Down 5 from the top you will see Motion to seal settlement with Make A Wish. I am assuming they filed an appeal. [Edited 2/3/17 16:39pm]

Thanks.

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Reply #684 posted 02/03/17 5:40pm

laytonian

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:


.
They haven't. The cars, vault, costumes and other items have not been appraised.
Right now, the game is to minimize the value of those items, to reduce taxes.
I'm still wondering where the $21 million came from to pay the taxes.

--Record sales he sold more music then anyone else last year. They also sold real estate and remember he had about 15 million in his corporations and Breamer seemed hell bent on dismantling them. The estate may have received some up front money for the deals Lonnie put together. In addition, the estate taxes can be paid installments and as long as the govt knows money is coming in they have no problem accepting installment plans something the idiot media does not report.


It HAS been reported and it is in the court documents, too, early on that the taxes would be paid over a period of years.
But the $21 million was paid.. not that much property has been sold and selling 2.6 million albums doesn't being in even a million.
Then you have all the attorneys and advisory fees.
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Reply #685 posted 02/03/17 5:55pm

precioux

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:


--Record sales he sold more music then anyone else last year. They also sold real estate and remember he had about 15 million in his corporations and Breamer seemed hell bent on dismantling them. The estate may have received some up front money for the deals Lonnie put together. In addition, the estate taxes can be paid installments and as long as the govt knows money is coming in they have no problem accepting installment plans something the idiot media does not report.


It HAS been reported and it is in the court documents, too, early on that the taxes would be paid over a period of years.
But the $21 million was paid.. not that much property has been sold and selling 2.6 million albums doesn't being in even a million.
Then you have all the attorneys and advisory fees.



Did I read something wrong? I thought that it was reported (published article) that the remainder of the taxes (approximately 80 million) are due in July. Or is it that the taxes may essentially be due, but the courts will provide provisions to pay in installments (?)

Thanks in advance smile
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Reply #686 posted 02/03/17 6:16pm

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laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:


--Record sales he sold more music then anyone else last year. They also sold real estate and remember he had about 15 million in his corporations and Breamer seemed hell bent on dismantling them. The estate may have received some up front money for the deals Lonnie put together. In addition, the estate taxes can be paid installments and as long as the govt knows money is coming in they have no problem accepting installment plans something the idiot media does not report.


It HAS been reported and it is in the court documents, too, early on that the taxes would be paid over a period of years.
But the $21 million was paid.. not that much property has been sold and selling 2.6 million albums doesn't being in even a million.
Then you have all the attorneys and advisory fees.

--But the music is not going to included in the valuation until it actually becomes an asset meaning the estate total value is not going to be in 300 million for a good while. Clothes, instruments, and old cars and 2.2 million in album sales are not going to push the estate value up that much and the real estate will sell someday or could be developed as he had lakefront propert or rental property to bring in income. I believe some of the commercial property is being held on to because it is bringing income.
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Reply #687 posted 02/03/17 6:20pm

laurarichardso
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precioux said:

laytonian said:



It HAS been reported and it is in the court documents, too, early on that the taxes would be paid over a period of years.
But the $21 million was paid.. not that much property has been sold and selling 2.6 million albums doesn't being in even a million.
Then you have all the attorneys and advisory fees.



Did I read something wrong? I thought that it was reported (published article) that the remainder of the taxes (approximately 80 million) are due in July. Or is it that the taxes may essentially be due, but the courts will provide provisions to pay in installments (?)

Thanks in advance smile

I never read the taxes were 80 million remember a lot of financial information is under seal so the media is talking out of their ass as usual. The vault material is not going to be valued so how would assets in 40 million to maybe 5O mill have taxes due of 80 mill and you can get paying in installments.
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Reply #688 posted 02/03/17 7:21pm

morningsong

So is this what Londell tweets were about?




The buzz about Prince’s music being widely released TO streaming Services in time for the Grammys got louder on Monday morning, as a series of purple ads bearing the Spotify logo -- and only the Spotify logo — appeared in New York’s Union Square subway station on Monday morning. While L. Londell McMillan -- who along with Charles Koppelman is a special entertainment adviser to Prince's estate -- told Billboard last week that such a deal was not confirmed and still might not happen in time for the Grammys, the ads seem to be a display of confidence on the part of Spotify. And while much of Prince's later catalog remains in varying degrees of legal limbo, sources tell Bil/board that the artist's Warner Music catalog, as well as his publishing, are on solid footing to be streamed.



Geesh, the whole copy and paste thing is a mess.

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Reply #689 posted 02/03/17 7:41pm

morningsong

I'm not understanding what this is saying. Seems that Prince did enter into some kind of agreement with Tidal to stream, but not NPG *** which is owned by the Estate. Then the paragraph below seems to say something different.

The Petition also references an “Artist Equity Term Sheet” and a “Distribution Agreement.” The “Artist Equity Term Sheet” was apparently not disclosed to Bremer until after the parties entered into a “Confidentiality Stipulation” on or about January 3, 2017. The “Artist Equity Term Sheet” is between “Project Panther Ltd., a Cayman Islands Limited Company (“Company”) and the recording artist professionally known as “Prince” (“Artist”).” The subject of the “Artist Equity Term Sheet” is identified as “The Platform: Company has launched and operates an on demand, subscription based, digital streaming distribution platform, which is currently branded as “Tidal.” The document is signed by Decedent as “Artist,” not on behalf of either NPG Records, Inc. or NPG Music Publishing, LLC.


The “Distribution Agreement” referenced in the Petition is apparently the same document as the Letter of Intent between WiMP Music AS (“Tidal”) and NPG Records, Inc/NPG Music Publishing, LLC dated August 1, 2015. The record is unclear as to the alleged relationships between Roc Nation LLC, WiMP Music AS, Project Panther Ltd., and Aspiro AB, however for purposes of the matter presently before the Court, they will assumed to be interrelated, with WiMP Music AS, Project Panther Ltd., and Aspiro AB falling under the R00 Nation umbrella. In addition to allowance of Roe Nation’s claim, the Petition also seeks access to any and all information within the possession of the Special Administrator concerning the distribution or exploitation of the Estate’s musical assets, and advance notice of any agreements or business dealings that may affect Roc Nation’s alleged claim and interest in the Estate. After his death, Tidal allegedly streamed Decedent’s entire catalog of music without authorization of Bremer or providing Bremer with documentation of their right to do so. As a result, and because most of Decedent’s music catalog is owned by NPG Records, Inc. and NPG Music Publishing, LLC, Bremer caused NPG Records, Inc. and NPG Music Publishing, LLC to file a complaint against Roc Nation and Aspiro AB in federal court for copyright infringement. That matter remains pending.

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