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Thread started 01/09/17 7:27am

leecaldon

Differences in already released tracks on HNR2

There were several songs from HitNRun Phase 2 that were already available when the album was released. I remember Prince tweeting that these songs were not exactly the same as the previously released versions. However, they are clearly very similar - and I can't seem to find a list of what those changes are.

Baltimore

RockNRoll Love Affair

Stare

Xtraloveable

Groovy Potential

Screwdriver

Can anyone help? I'm particularly interested in Xtraloveable.

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Reply #1 posted 01/09/17 7:49am

dodger

A version of Extraloveable (different to 82 original) was released in 2011 with an Andy Allo rap.

In 2013 he released Extraloveable Reloaded with horns added and the Andy rap omitted - this is the version on Phase 2.

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RNR Affair had some added horns on Phase 2.

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There is 2 versions of Baltimore. The second had added orchestral section and horns - this was the one on Phase 2.

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I'm pretty sure Stare, Groovy Potential and Screwdriver (although there was a Remix of this released) are the same as previous released.

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Reply #2 posted 01/09/17 9:16am

NorthC

I think the new arrangement of Baltimore is a huge improvememt. The interaction between the guitar and the strings is wonderful and it's a real shame that Prince didn't live long enough to take this further. He could have ended up with a Minneapolis-meets-Motown sound. Still, it's a case were the instrumentation and the arrangement are more interesting than the song iself.
Same for Rock & Roll Love Affair: a mediocre song saved by good musicians and and arrangements.
As for Extralovable, nothing beats the original. He isn't even singingabout hippies any more!
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Reply #3 posted 01/09/17 9:16am

djThunderfunk

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dodger said:

A version of Extraloveable (different to 82 original) was released in 2011 with an Andy Allo rap.

In 2013 he released Extraloveable Reloaded with horns added and the Andy rap omitted - this is the version on Phase 2.

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RNR Affair had some added horns on Phase 2.

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There is 2 versions of Baltimore. The second had added orchestral section and horns - this was the one on Phase 2.

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I'm pretty sure Stare, Groovy Potential and Screwdriver (although there was a Remix of this released) are the same as previous released.


Although I could swear Screwdriver sounds a bit different to me, PrinceVault agrees with dodger. Admittedly, I haven't done a back to back comparison, so I'm going on memory, not science... lol

As for the rest, pretty sure dodger is 'right on' with everything. wink

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Reply #4 posted 01/09/17 11:10am

databank

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djThunderfunk said:

dodger said:

A version of Extraloveable (different to 82 original) was released in 2011 with an Andy Allo rap.

In 2013 he released Extraloveable Reloaded with horns added and the Andy rap omitted - this is the version on Phase 2.

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RNR Affair had some added horns on Phase 2.

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There is 2 versions of Baltimore. The second had added orchestral section and horns - this was the one on Phase 2.

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I'm pretty sure Stare, Groovy Potential and Screwdriver (although there was a Remix of this released) are the same as previous released.


Although I could swear Screwdriver sounds a bit different to me, PrinceVault agrees with dodger. Admittedly, I haven't done a back to back comparison, so I'm going on memory, not science... lol

As for the rest, pretty sure dodger is 'right on' with everything. wink

I played screwdriver to DEATH in 2013. I'm pretty sure would have noticed even the slightest difference. It's the same nod

I didn't notice any difference on Stare and GP, but I wasn't as familiar with those.

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Reply #5 posted 01/09/17 11:38am

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databank said:

djThunderfunk said:


Although I could swear Screwdriver sounds a bit different to me, PrinceVault agrees with dodger. Admittedly, I haven't done a back to back comparison, so I'm going on memory, not science... lol

As for the rest, pretty sure dodger is 'right on' with everything. wink

I played screwdriver to DEATH in 2013. I'm pretty sure would have noticed even the slightest difference. It's the same nod

I didn't notice any difference on Stare and GP, but I wasn't as familiar with those.


dodger, databank & PrinceVault can't all be wrong... must be me!! lol wink

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Reply #6 posted 01/09/17 12:21pm

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I think the mastering on Extraloveable is a bit different then the previous horn version. The one on the CD is more natural in volume. The original online release sounds more compressed and louder.

Oddly I got used to the slightly louder version and prefer it! I think it's meant to be a loud song.

I'll never forget how crazy fun it looked to see the Welcome 2 America tour show in Chicago and see that entire horn line up at the back on a raised area... all playing and dancing in sync. So good. Prince put together energetic joy.

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Reply #7 posted 01/11/17 5:12am

leecaldon

Thanks for the info!

I also thought Screwdriver sounded different (without any like-for-like comparison) but as it is probably my least favourite Prince track, I didn't spend much time checking that one.

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Reply #8 posted 01/11/17 5:49am

bluegangsta

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RnR Love Affair also has a different girl during the speaking parts.

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Reply #9 posted 01/11/17 5:08pm

leecaldon

bluegangsta said:

RnR Love Affair also has a different girl during the speaking parts.

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.

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Reply #10 posted 01/11/17 7:15pm

djThunderfunk

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leecaldon said:

bluegangsta said:

RnR Love Affair also has a different girl during the speaking parts.

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.


PrinceVault does say that the version of RNRLA on Phase 2 is "Different from previously released versions" but does not detail how it is different.

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Reply #11 posted 01/11/17 10:30pm

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leecaldon said:

bluegangsta said:

RnR Love Affair also has a different girl during the speaking parts.

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.

Well... They're not.

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Reply #12 posted 01/12/17 2:41am

leecaldon

bluegangsta said:

leecaldon said:

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.

Well... They're not.

Can you elaborate?

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Reply #13 posted 01/12/17 2:47am

dodger

leecaldon said:

bluegangsta said:

RnR Love Affair also has a different girl during the speaking parts.

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.

I've just had a quick listen and also think it's Andy on all versions. Maybe a bit lower in the mix on Phase 2

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Reply #14 posted 01/12/17 1:43pm

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leecaldon said:

bluegangsta said:

Well... They're not.

Can you elaborate?

Place the original version and the HnRII version into a DAW, line them up and invert one of them. Not only can you extract the horn overdubs, but there is a new voice. That's how I know.

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Reply #15 posted 01/13/17 4:17am

leecaldon

bluegangsta said:

leecaldon said:

Can you elaborate?

Place the original version and the HnRII version into a DAW, line them up and invert one of them. Not only can you extract the horn overdubs, but there is a new voice. That's how I know.

I don't have the software to hand, but I'd be interested to know if anyone else supports your claims, and if there is any idea who the new vocal would be by.

It would seem strange, as the song ostensibly seems to be about Andy Allo, and the vocal is not noticeably different.

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Reply #16 posted 01/13/17 4:54am

Yodominique

Don't 4get the added backing vocals on Extralovable. I believe I read that 3rdeyegirl did those.
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Reply #17 posted 01/13/17 5:48am

databank

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IDK about the vocals (I'd have to check) but there are def additional horns on R&RLA

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Reply #18 posted 01/13/17 5:59am

leecaldon

databank said:

IDK about the vocals (I'd have to check) but there are def additional horns on R&RLA

The original version just sounds so empty to me now without those horns. Much prefer the HnR version, although Remix 7 remains my favourite by far.

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Reply #19 posted 01/18/17 7:13am

leecaldon

dodger said:

leecaldon said:

Just having a listen to the single extended mix, RNR 7, original radio broadbast and album versions and they all sound like the same Andy Allo vocals to me.

I've just had a quick listen and also think it's Andy on all versions. Maybe a bit lower in the mix on Phase 2

My ears have to agree with you over bluegangsta. It's the same "Hello" on the orginal extended mix from the 2012 single as on HnR2, and I can find no suggestion anywhere online that it isn't (apart from bluegangsta, who no one has agreed with) and no proposal for who the new vocal would be by.

Andy Allo on all versions unless new evidence can be presented (and I would be very interested to hear the DAW extracts).

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