Does anyone remember the interview when Prince said he thought he rushed "Around the World in a Day?" I think it was Rolling Stone, definitely in print. I remember he thought "The Ladder" was Purple Rain pt 2 and "America" was Baby Im a Star pt 2.

I thought Prince said this, but maybe it was someone like Jimmy Jam. Anyone remember this interview? Im trying to track it down.

Don't remember that one, but I do remember him saying something similar about Parade.

leecaldon said:

Don't remember that one, but I do remember him saying something similar about Parade.

Yes, I think that quote was about Parade

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

saying he rushed an album isn't a diss... Prince admitted to rushing a lot of albums and periods.
But it was Parade that he felt he rushed... Now Lovesexy was the real rush but...

leecaldon said:

Don't remember that one, but I do remember him saying something similar about Parade.

yeah,I remember what he said about Parade.He said "Parade" was a disaster.Other than "Kiss",there isn't anything on it that I'm particularly proud of.I recorded it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough great songs ready.I'm not gonna make that same mistake again".

SoulAlive said:

leecaldon said:

Don't remember that one, but I do remember him saying something similar about Parade.

yeah,I remember what he said about Parade.He said "Parade" was a disaster.Other than "Kiss",there isn't anything on it that I'm particularly proud of.I recorded it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough great songs ready.I'm not gonna make that same mistake again".

lol I remember this...
Parade was the problem. Prince starring alone as he did in Under the Cherry Moon was...

how long did the recording of Lovesexy take?

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

yes,it was Jimmy Jam who made those comments.His comments were featured in the 1988 Musician magazine cover story,if I remember correctly.He felt that some of the songs were retreads....for example,"America" has the same groove as "Baby,I'm A Star".

OldFriends4Sale said:

SoulAlive said:

yeah,I remember what he said about Parade.He said "Parade" was a disaster.Other than "Kiss",there isn't anything on it that I'm particularly proud of.I recorded it too soon after 'Around The World In A Day' and I just didn't have enough great songs ready.I'm not gonna make that same mistake again".

lol I remember this...
Parade was the problem. Prince starring alone as he did in Under the Cherry Moon was...

how long did the recording of Lovesexy take?

I think Parade is a great album but I do agree that some of it sounds rushed.The first four songs sound like unfinished demos to me.

There's nothing that I would want to see changed on Parade. Damn near perfect album.

SoulAlive said:

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

yes,it was Jimmy Jam who made those comments.His comments were featured in the 1988 Musician magazine cover story,if I remember correctly.He felt that some of the songs were retreads....for example,"America" has the same groove as "Baby,I'm A Star".

ATWIAD is very connected to Purple Rain

SoulAlive said:

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

yes,it was Jimmy Jam who made those comments.His comments were featured in the 1988 Musician magazine cover story,if I remember correctly.He felt that some of the songs were retreads....for example,"America" has the same groove as "Baby,I'm A Star".

Thanks! I still have this magazine too! I'll check it out and post the quote

I have to post the pics, but the quote was from Jam and Prince said "I had sort of an FU attitude making it."

Whats the easiest way to post pics?

DMSR said:

Does anyone remember the interview when Prince said he thought he rushed "Around the World in a Day?" I think it was Rolling Stone, definitely in print. I remember he thought "The Ladder" was Purple Rain pt 2 and "America" was Baby Im a Star pt 2.

I thought Prince said this, but maybe it was someone like Jimmy Jam. Anyone remember this interview? Im trying to track it down.

jimmy jam dissed ATWIAD, i have the mag/book somewhere, it was a music mag I think, the one where Prince is leaping into the air on the cover and is called the artist of the 80's. Jimmy also dissed the fact that Prince was going on MTV to be interviewed by Martha Stewart, which I honestly never did find. He did do an MTV interview but it was his manager asking him preprepared questions. Jimmy thought many of the songs on ATWIAD were just copies of songs on Purple Rain, the Ladder/Purple rain. He had somewhat of a point, i guess, not all the songs on ATWIAD were as good as lot of his fans want to believe. At the end of the interview Jimmy Jam concluded that "he landed on his feet like I knew he would" with the SOTT album.

Prince did however say he had an "f u" attitude about Parade, not ATWIAD, that he wasn't "particularly proud" of anything on it. I think it was the fabulous Mojo interview (feel free to correct me) in that same interview he stubbornly called ATWIAD "my favorite", seemingly to spite all the people who hated the album.

SoulAlive said:

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

yes,it was Jimmy Jam who made those comments.His comments were featured in the 1988 Musician magazine cover story,if I remember correctly.He felt that some of the songs were retreads....for example,"America" has the same groove as "Baby,I'm A Star".

yeah, that's it, i still have that issue. Great article, the author himself said Prince tried to get him to side with him and tried to make nice with him, which he resisted.

I think Poplife had the excerpts about the FU/Mojo interview, at any rate, in the last six months the fabulous mojo interview was on youtube and is quite revelatory. I'd never heard Prince sound so accessible and human....ever! He sounded like he even tried to be a nice guy inspite of his reputation saying he tried "not to hurt anybody" in doing his work, and also that "my way is usually right" (this was before the disaster of the release of the Parade album.

OldFriends4Sale said:

DMSR said:

I was talking about it with a friend today. I think as Im remembering now, it might have been someone else like Jimmy Jam. But I'll dig for it!

saying he rushed an album isn't a diss... Prince admitted to rushing a lot of albums and periods.
But it was Parade that he felt he rushed... Now Lovesexy was the real rush but...

I mistakenly thought he said he had the fu attitude about ATWIAD, a few years ago here and was surprised when someone corrected me that he said it about Parade, because parade is almost universally loved by his fans and is always a contender for his best album ever. My conclusion then and now is that an artist never knows their best work. he even called 1999 him being in kindergarten musically once.

I love the sound of Parade.

DMSR said:

SoulAlive said:

yes,it was Jimmy Jam who made those comments.His comments were featured in the 1988 Musician magazine cover story,if I remember correctly.He felt that some of the songs were retreads....for example,"America" has the same groove as "Baby,I'm A Star".

Thanks! I still have this magazine too! I'll check it out and post the quote

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'America' developed from extended jams of 'Baby, I'm a Star' during the Summer of 1984 in the Warehouse while rehearsing for the impending PR Tour.

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PeteSilas said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

saying he rushed an album isn't a diss... Prince admitted to rushing a lot of albums and periods.
But it was Parade that he felt he rushed... Now Lovesexy was the real rush but...

I mistakenly thought he said he had the fu attitude about ATWIAD, a few years ago here and was surprised when someone corrected me that he said it about Parade, because parade is almost universally loved by his fans and is always a contender for his best album ever. My conclusion then and now is that an artist never knows their best work. he even called 1999 him being in kindergarten musically once.

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I believe he most certainly did have an 'FU' attitude with ATWIAD, with respect to its premature release schedule after a massive pop phenomenon album, relatively uncommercial total sound, capricious song selection, unwillingness initially to permit any videos to be made, no initially designated singles, publicizing his 'intentions' not to tour again, etc. I believe he was inordinately sensitive to criticism in the press that his PR image and sound were gimmicks, and he abruptly closed out this particular phase of his career with this release.

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He could easily have assembled an album closer to listener expectations from other available but unused material (The Dance Electric), although it would have been more of another post-1999 Prince album than a PR2.

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When his teenage and twentysomething listening base anticipated a PR2, he tested his theory and it was borne out that he could get nearly the same sales on the momentum of his fame regardless of what he released in 1985. This led to a certain level of arrogance and disconnect that the artist was more commercially significant than the product over the next several years.

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Parade partially reflects his feelings of inadequacy and self-doubt as to a perceived lack of formal sophistication to his sound, and, at the same time, an effort to quickly fashion a new image. He had also been cultivating a keen interest in a concept/theme album for several years by this point, and these ideas had been tried out to varying degrees on A6/TGL/R1600/The Family/the then in-progress Jill Jones project. With unchallenged management backing and virtually unlimited resources, there was no barrier to fully implementing this sound on his own record now. He was also ebullient, in his newfound superstardom and fortune, and, with his spirits high but guard down, perhaps allowed too much input from certain of his touring bandmates for his own good. (The topic of his giddiness during the Parade era has its own thread on this forum)

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Additionally, these hard-to-place, unevenly or underwhelmingly commercially received Late 1985-early 1987 image/format/sound/'taking time off' transitions were not unusual for groups that had been highly successful in the 1982-1985 era (Thompson Twins, Wham, Culture Club, Berlin, Hall & Oates, Pointer Sisters, Van Hagar, etc), and Parade/disbanding the Revolution/SOTT/etc., were consistent with a general pop cultural trend, a certain awkward mid-decade upset instigated by numerous mass market pressures.

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If memory serves it was Parade he dissed, in the 1990 Rolling Stones interview for GB. He said it was rushed and only really rated Kiss and Girls and Boys.

SquirrelMeat said:

If memory serves it was Parade he dissed, in the 1990 Rolling Stones interview for GB. He said it was rushed and only really rated Kiss and Girls and Boys.

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This is correct. I believe he faulted the album for having not 'enough funk' and too few hits.

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The apparent candor of these remarks, however, was elicited by the flurry of rumors surrounding and unflattering expectations for the yet-to-be-released GB; it was only natural that the journalist would broach the topic of his last proper motion picture, UTCM, a spectacular commercial disaster.

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He seems to be partially apologetic so as to intimate that similar issues would not plague his new film and related album.

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But is this how he truly feels about the Parade album?

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DMSR (the book) claimed that P was in literal tears/throwing things/etc. for days during the editing and post-production soundscape work, proclaiming to have been ashamed of how UTCM turned out.

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imprimis said:

SquirrelMeat said:

If memory serves it was Parade he dissed, in the 1990 Rolling Stones interview for GB. He said it was rushed and only really rated Kiss and Girls and Boys.

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This is correct. I believe he faulted the album for having not 'enough funk' and too few hits.

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The apparent candor of these remarks, however, was elicited by the flurry of rumors surrounding and unflattering expectations for the yet-to-be-released GB; it was only natural that the journalist would broach the topic of his last proper motion picture, UTCM, a spectacular commercial disaster.

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He seems to be partially apologetic so as to intimate that similar issues would not plague his new film and related album.

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But is this how he truly feels about the Parade album?

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DMSR (the book) claimed that P was in literal tears/throwing things/etc. for days during the editing and post-production soundscape work, proclaiming to have been ashamed of how UTCM turned out.

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my understanding it was the movie that he was having fits over, saying it was horrible (it was in many ways).

PeteSilas said:

imprimis said:

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This is correct. I believe he faulted the album for having not 'enough funk' and too few hits.

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The apparent candor of these remarks, however, was elicited by the flurry of rumors surrounding and unflattering expectations for the yet-to-be-released GB; it was only natural that the journalist would broach the topic of his last proper motion picture, UTCM, a spectacular commercial disaster.

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He seems to be partially apologetic so as to intimate that similar issues would not plague his new film and related album.

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But is this how he truly feels about the Parade album?

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DMSR (the book) claimed that P was in literal tears/throwing things/etc. for days during the editing and post-production soundscape work, proclaiming to have been ashamed of how UTCM turned out.

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[Edited 12/16/16 17:48pm]

my understanding it was the movie that he was having fits over, saying it was horrible (it was in many ways).

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Yes. My last two sentences should be reversed in order. It is all a bundle, on some level, though. The performance of both the film and album had to have weighed meaningfully in his personal and professional decisions in late 1986 and early 1987.

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the album got rave reviews, the critics came on themselves over girls and boys, the movie killed the album, also the fact that as vainandy has said, Kiss put off some fans who expected the album to be like that single and it wasn't. I always thought it was funky as fuck, even now i get an erection when i haven't heard it in awhile and i listen to it again.

Prince had a lot of good material that he could have used for Parade. The Family album with High Fashion, Mutiny, Scream Of Passion, Nothing Compares 2 U, and Desire would have fit flawlessly on Parade. Prince gave away top material.

Hmmm...'AnotherLover...' is one of THE funkiest tracks ever done by Prince! I am sure he must have grown to love it himself as he played it quite a bit in live settings (even up to the late 2000s) and seemed to get a kick out of it!

And UTCM may be an acquired taste - but I'm surprised more people don't enjoy its humour and charm (its deliberate artifice being a key part of that for me, rather than a detractor). I wonder if Prince was upset more because he anticipated it not being 'understood / appreciated' by critics and the masses, rather than hating the film itself..?

Dibblekins said:

Hmmm...'AnotherLover...' is one of THE funkiest tracks ever done by Prince! I am sure he must have grown to love it himself as he played it quite a bit in live settings (even up to the late 2000s) and seemed to get a kick out of it!

And UTCM may be an acquired taste - but I'm surprised more people don't enjoy its humour and charm (its deliberate artifice being a key part of that for me, rather than a detractor). I wonder if Prince was upset more because he anticipated it not being 'understood / appreciated' by critics and the masses, rather than hating the film itself..?

i didn't think it was as bad as people thought but it was bad. Prince could have been a fine filmaker but he was too bigheaded to take baby steps. I still love the camera work in that movie. some of it is just plain embarrassing as a fan. the critics just ripped him a new asshole for that one. SOTT made up for it artistically but it didn't make much money.