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Thread started 12/12/16 12:40am

slvrhrt7

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Prince and Kurt Cobain

I just watched a great doc called SOAKED IN BLEACH, about the inconsistent and questions about his death. What I noticed is how similar certain items were to the death of Prince.

About a week prior to his death, he had an "accidental overdose"..he seems to be doing ok and enters rehab even seeing his daughter, etc. None of his friends said they felt he was suicidal. He spoke with his lawyer about wanting a divorce from his wife...while not finalized, upon his death she gots the rights to all his music, etc.

Not to mention Kurt's body was cremated quickly, suicide note seemed forged and the crime scenes was not well taken care of...

.....and he died in April.

Not saying there is a connetion...but I did apprecite the undanswered questions, giref, regret, and loss we "FAMS" are still feeling.

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Reply #1 posted 12/12/16 1:23am

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ya, i thought about that too, also cobain supposedly was hooked on opiates from back problems and ulcers. I always thought that Gold was Prince's response to cobain's death. I never thought Prince would die anywhere remotely the same as cobain (or Elvis, or Mj). As far as the conspiracy theories regarding cobain, i wouldn't really know, i was never a huge fan but I've not seen any convincing evidence that he was murdered. Charles Cross wrote a book on him, Cross is pretty thorough with his investigations and he didn't mention anything about murder.

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Reply #2 posted 12/12/16 1:36am

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20+ years and I still sigh at the thought of Kurt
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Reply #3 posted 12/12/16 6:52am

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Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

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Reply #4 posted 12/12/16 7:12am

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databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

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Amen!

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Reply #5 posted 12/12/16 7:22am

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PeteSilas said:

ya, i thought about that too, also cobain supposedly was hooked on opiates from back problems and ulcers. I always thought that Gold was Prince's response to cobain's death. I never thought Prince would die anywhere remotely the same as cobain (or Elvis, or Mj). As far as the conspiracy theories regarding cobain, i wouldn't really know, i was never a huge fan but I've not seen any convincing evidence that he was murdered. Charles Cross wrote a book on him, Cross is pretty thorough with his investigations and he didn't mention anything about murder.



Gold was recorded well before Kurt died.
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Reply #6 posted 12/12/16 7:27am

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I always thought that Gold was Prince's response to cobain's death.

Now where does that comes from? This is as arbitrary and out of the blue a statement as to say Purple Rain is Prince's response to Jim Morrisson's death or that (as I've read before) he composed Strange But True for Vanity.

Fortunately here we have solid proof, besides common sense, that this make no sense given that Gold was recorded in October 1993 and that Cobain passed in April 1994, so unless Prince was a medium (which, to my greatest dismay, certain other people have also claimed here), I think we can close the subject.

I would appreciate if everyone would stop letting their imagination run free without qualms, and use some rationality instead. If they make real life decisions based on similar arbitrary and irrational reasonings, it's no wonder the world is in complete chaos.

No personal attack or offense against you Pete, it's more a general comment about all the people who make unsupported statements just because they popped-up in their imagination.

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Reply #7 posted 12/12/16 9:28am

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Heidi said:

databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagination.

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Amen!


Thank you! I think people, especially Prince fans, search for conspiracy theories and delve heavily into conjecture and half-baked ideas, simply because they are in denial. They want to make sense of the senselessness of an overdose, or a suicide. They reason the unreasonable. "It just doesn't make sense. Something is fishy." No, it's not fishy. It's not accepting the horrible truth of the situation. Being in my late 40s, I still think about how, for years, people were publishing "Elvis Is Alive" on the front of The Enquirer or whatever rag. Same with JFK, and Hitler. I'm just waiting on the Prince stories. And undoubtedly some fan is going to latch onto that as truth as well. But let's talk about the truth.

I've said it before: Despite how massively horrible this situation is - Prince is dead - it's our truth now. If fans would sidestep the melodrama of "unreal, can't talk, more tears", and just say "Okay, he's gone. What can I do now to grieve and love and pay tribute to him in my own way?", the process of grief, however it plays out, can be much more fruitful and positive for the end-user.

How quickly the public dismisses other rock stars deaths as drug overdoses (purposeful or accidental), when they're not in one's vinyl collection. But the minute your guy ODs himself into oblivion, then it's "Something is wrong here! I need answers!" No, you need a reality check. Prince always talked about "the truth". He never said what "the truth" was, necessarily (although he did state his truth). He usually kept the answer ambiguous, because it's each person's own journey to their personal truth. So I'd encourage those fans who are still in the mindset of suspicion and mystery to sidestep that and start maneuvering in reality. You don't have to like it for right now, but you do have to accept it. If you don't, you're lying to yourself, and it won't bring ol' boy back. We can theorize him back into existence. We can wish hard enough at night and light candles enough to bring him back. What's that saying about "doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" is the definition of insanity? Prince fans aren't insane (although...some of y'all....), we're passionate. So let's be passionate about the truth of the now, and not counterplots or treachery.


Do Prince fans think they're the only ones who have lost a hero? That no one else "gets it"? Ask a Nirvana fan. Ask an Elvis fan. Ask a Lennon fan. Ask a Whitney or Bowie fan.

[Edited 12/12/16 9:35am]

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Reply #8 posted 12/12/16 5:36pm

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I think "slvrhrt7" was just giving his/her own opinion on the correlation between Kurt Cobain's death and the death of Prince. There seems to be some similarities. A lot of people believe there were supicious circumstances with Kurt Cobain's death. A lot of people say the same thing about David Bowie's death, and how it seemed to orchestrated/planned, and perhaps Prince faked his own death. I'm not saying I believe that, personally. It's just different people's thoughts/theories/opinions. No need to be so judgmental. We are all entitled to our opinions.

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[Edited 12/12/16 17:38pm]

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Reply #9 posted 12/12/16 5:43pm

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databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen. confused

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though. eek

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Reply #10 posted 12/12/16 5:44pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Heidi said:

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Amen!


Thank you! I think people, especially Prince fans, search for conspiracy theories and delve heavily into conjecture and half-baked ideas, simply because they are in denial. They want to make sense of the senselessness of an overdose, or a suicide. They reason the unreasonable. "It just doesn't make sense. Something is fishy." No, it's not fishy. It's not accepting the horrible truth of the situation. Being in my late 40s, I still think about how, for years, people were publishing "Elvis Is Alive" on the front of The Enquirer or whatever rag. Same with JFK, and Hitler. I'm just waiting on the Prince stories. And undoubtedly some fan is going to latch onto that as truth as well. But let's talk about the truth.

I've said it before: Despite how massively horrible this situation is - Prince is dead - it's our truth now. If fans would sidestep the melodrama of "unreal, can't talk, more tears", and just say "Okay, he's gone. What can I do now to grieve and love and pay tribute to him in my own way?", the process of grief, however it plays out, can be much more fruitful and positive for the end-user.

How quickly the public dismisses other rock stars deaths as drug overdoses (purposeful or accidental), when they're not in one's vinyl collection. But the minute your guy ODs himself into oblivion, then it's "Something is wrong here! I need answers!" No, you need a reality check. Prince always talked about "the truth". He never said what "the truth" was, necessarily (although he did state his truth). He usually kept the answer ambiguous, because it's each person's own journey to their personal truth. So I'd encourage those fans who are still in the mindset of suspicion and mystery to sidestep that and start maneuvering in reality. You don't have to like it for right now, but you do have to accept it. If you don't, you're lying to yourself, and it won't bring ol' boy back. We can theorize him back into existence. We can wish hard enough at night and light candles enough to bring him back. What's that saying about "doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" is the definition of insanity? Prince fans aren't insane (although...some of y'all....), we're passionate. So let's be passionate about the truth of the now, and not counterplots or treachery.


Do Prince fans think they're the only ones who have lost a hero? That no one else "gets it"? Ask a Nirvana fan. Ask an Elvis fan. Ask a Lennon fan. Ask a Whitney or Bowie fan.

[Edited 12/12/16 9:35am]

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Please post this in the "conspiracy thread".

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Reply #11 posted 12/12/16 5:47pm

PeteSilas

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PeteSilas said:

I always thought that Gold was Prince's response to cobain's death.

Now where does that comes from? This is as arbitrary and out of the blue a statement as to say Purple Rain is Prince's response to Jim Morrisson's death or that (as I've read before) he composed Strange But True for Vanity.

Fortunately here we have solid proof, besides common sense, that this make no sense given that Gold was recorded in October 1993 and that Cobain passed in April 1994, so unless Prince was a medium (which, to my greatest dismay, certain other people have also claimed here), I think we can close the subject.

I would appreciate if everyone would stop letting their imagination run free without qualms, and use some rationality instead. If they make real life decisions based on similar arbitrary and irrational reasonings, it's no wonder the world is in complete chaos.

No personal attack or offense against you Pete, it's more a general comment about all the people who make unsupported statements just because they popped-up in their imagination.

not you again, no i don't know, it's just a guess, one of those things that he'd have to be asked about. The timing was right for that, cobain had killed himself at a point when not only Prince but the rest of the 80's supermen were being made to look obsolete by grunge. So, for their leader to fall that way, I just thought it was his response to that, you'd have to ask him though. I also thought his statements about being an "alternative" in the eighties was directed at MJ, again you'd have to ask him. Now calm down and don't worry so much about my musings and thoughts just as I don't worry about yours.

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Reply #12 posted 12/12/16 5:52pm

PeteSilas

databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

that's not true, people do think like that in families quite often. Most of the time it's poppycock. Especially with non-natural deaths, family members have a hard time coping with it sometimes and they try to come up with some kind of plot to deal with it. In Seattle recently, there was a somali kid, about 18 or so, who jumped off a building. His family blamed the police for it with absolutely no evidence or reason behind it other than the medias constant talking about Police killing black men. They looked ridiculous holding signs, dressed in their traditional garb, that said "fuck the police" they didn't even look angry, they looked just sort of innocent. Anyway, they later learned that the kid smoked marijuana for the first time and tripped out before he jumped.

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Reply #13 posted 12/12/16 5:58pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

Heidi said:

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Amen!


Thank you! I think people, especially Prince fans, search for conspiracy theories and delve heavily into conjecture and half-baked ideas, simply because they are in denial. They want to make sense of the senselessness of an overdose, or a suicide. They reason the unreasonable. "It just doesn't make sense. Something is fishy." No, it's not fishy. It's not accepting the horrible truth of the situation. Being in my late 40s, I still think about how, for years, people were publishing "Elvis Is Alive" on the front of The Enquirer or whatever rag. Same with JFK, and Hitler. I'm just waiting on the Prince stories. And undoubtedly some fan is going to latch onto that as truth as well. But let's talk about the truth.

I've said it before: Despite how massively horrible this situation is - Prince is dead - it's our truth now. If fans would sidestep the melodrama of "unreal, can't talk, more tears", and just say "Okay, he's gone. What can I do now to grieve and love and pay tribute to him in my own way?", the process of grief, however it plays out, can be much more fruitful and positive for the end-user.

How quickly the public dismisses other rock stars deaths as drug overdoses (purposeful or accidental), when they're not in one's vinyl collection. But the minute your guy ODs himself into oblivion, then it's "Something is wrong here! I need answers!" No, you need a reality check. Prince always talked about "the truth". He never said what "the truth" was, necessarily (although he did state his truth). He usually kept the answer ambiguous, because it's each person's own journey to their personal truth. So I'd encourage those fans who are still in the mindset of suspicion and mystery to sidestep that and start maneuvering in reality. You don't have to like it for right now, but you do have to accept it. If you don't, you're lying to yourself, and it won't bring ol' boy back. We can theorize him back into existence. We can wish hard enough at night and light candles enough to bring him back. What's that saying about "doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" is the definition of insanity? Prince fans aren't insane (although...some of y'all....), we're passionate. So let's be passionate about the truth of the now, and not counterplots or treachery.


Do Prince fans think they're the only ones who have lost a hero? That no one else "gets it"? Ask a Nirvana fan. Ask an Elvis fan. Ask a Lennon fan. Ask a Whitney or Bowie fan.

[Edited 12/12/16 9:35am]

uhh, sometimes things take time, it took twenty something years for doctors who treated bruce lee to come out on record saying they were positive he died from a bad reaction to hashish. the 'official' reason was a pain pill. It was a blatant lie from the looks of it, so that Bruce and Hong Kong wouldn't have to deal with a hero who'd died as the result of an illegal drug, hong kong was also worried about other kids experimenting with what their hero took so they were complicity in everything.

Walter Payton had cancer of the, what was it? Pituatary gland or some such? Liver cancer? It took a good ten years for his pain pill abuse to come out and verify that the cancer most likely didn't just happen to afflict him. With Prince, I still don't know and we've all been round and round with it all. I do not think we have the truth yet but if it's just that simple that he was just another rock and roll junkie so be it, but I just don't think it is that simple.

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Reply #14 posted 12/12/16 6:01pm

PeteSilas

cloveringold85 said:

databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen. confused

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though. eek

ya, and depending on the social value, there are many murders who no one even tries to solve. I've known a few people, including some of my heroes. Hector Camacho's death is still unsolved.

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Reply #15 posted 12/12/16 8:34pm

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uhh, sometimes things take time,


I never put a timeline on grief, but truth is immediate for that timeline to even exist.

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Reply #16 posted 12/12/16 11:28pm

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PeteSilas said:

databank said:

Now where does that comes from? This is as arbitrary and out of the blue a statement as to say Purple Rain is Prince's response to Jim Morrisson's death or that (as I've read before) he composed Strange But True for Vanity.

Fortunately here we have solid proof, besides common sense, that this make no sense given that Gold was recorded in October 1993 and that Cobain passed in April 1994, so unless Prince was a medium (which, to my greatest dismay, certain other people have also claimed here), I think we can close the subject.

I would appreciate if everyone would stop letting their imagination run free without qualms, and use some rationality instead. If they make real life decisions based on similar arbitrary and irrational reasonings, it's no wonder the world is in complete chaos.

No personal attack or offense against you Pete, it's more a general comment about all the people who make unsupported statements just because they popped-up in their imagination.

you'd have to ask him though.

I can't believe that level of denial: 2 people just told you Gold was composed 6 months before Cobain passed so no, we don't have to "ask Prince", it's NOT the case, fact, period.

don't worry so much about my musings and thoughts just as I don't worry about yours.

You can't possibly post your musing and thoughts on a public forum and then ask people not to react to them. It's a common reply nowadays: "oh please do not express your disagreement", well OK but then please do not post your thoughts on public forums.

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Reply #17 posted 12/12/16 11:29pm

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PeteSilas said:

databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

that's not true, people do think like that in families quite often. Most of the time it's poppycock. Especially with non-natural deaths, family members have a hard time coping with it sometimes and they try to come up with some kind of plot to deal with it. In Seattle recently, there was a somali kid, about 18 or so, who jumped off a building. His family blamed the police for it with absolutely no evidence or reason behind it other than the medias constant talking about Police killing black men. They looked ridiculous holding signs, dressed in their traditional garb, that said "fuck the police" they didn't even look angry, they looked just sort of innocent. Anyway, they later learned that the kid smoked marijuana for the first time and tripped out before he jumped.

Well u can pick the occasionnal anecdote from the newspapers but fact is that I know more people than most people do and never in my lifetime did I meet anyone who found anything suspiscious about the death of someone they knew personally.

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Reply #18 posted 12/13/16 1:39am

PeteSilas

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

that's not true, people do think like that in families quite often. Most of the time it's poppycock. Especially with non-natural deaths, family members have a hard time coping with it sometimes and they try to come up with some kind of plot to deal with it. In Seattle recently, there was a somali kid, about 18 or so, who jumped off a building. His family blamed the police for it with absolutely no evidence or reason behind it other than the medias constant talking about Police killing black men. They looked ridiculous holding signs, dressed in their traditional garb, that said "fuck the police" they didn't even look angry, they looked just sort of innocent. Anyway, they later learned that the kid smoked marijuana for the first time and tripped out before he jumped.

Well u can pick the occasionnal anecdote from the newspapers but fact is that I know more people than most people do and never in my lifetime did I meet anyone who found anything suspiscious about the death of someone they knew personally.

good for you, your experience isn't universal and neither is mine. It does happen. Usually, in my opinion, it's to take away some of the pain, especially with suicide. I can think of more cases where someone suspected some sort of foul play with a suicide, of people who weren't even famous. Throw in some cultural suspicion and you have lots of black people who think accidents/suicides were murders. Remember the story of Malcolm X's dad being pushed onto railroad tracks? the family really believes that to this day I think, I think some objective looks don't prove anything suspicious. Like I said, people do things to rationalize senseless deaths. With Prince, I'll only go so far as to say we don't have much info yet, i wouldn't say anything about conspiracy or murder and i do wish that if the people who were around him (appolonia and that guy Crutchfield) would stop hinting stuff without any proof, if nothing else, it really makes them look bad.

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Reply #19 posted 12/13/16 2:44am

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databank said:

Well u can pick the occasionnal anecdote from the newspapers but fact is that I know more people than most people do and never in my lifetime did I meet anyone who found anything suspiscious about the death of someone they knew personally.

good for you, your experience isn't universal and neither is mine. It does happen. Usually, in my opinion, it's to take away some of the pain, especially with suicide. I can think of more cases where someone suspected some sort of foul play with a suicide, of people who weren't even famous. Throw in some cultural suspicion and you have lots of black people who think accidents/suicides were murders. Remember the story of Malcolm X's dad being pushed onto railroad tracks? the family really believes that to this day I think, I think some objective looks don't prove anything suspicious. Like I said, people do things to rationalize senseless deaths. With Prince, I'll only go so far as to say we don't have much info yet, i wouldn't say anything about conspiracy or murder and i do wish that if the people who were around him (appolonia and that guy Crutchfield) would stop hinting stuff without any proof, if nothing else, it really makes them look bad.

It certainly happens but not too often. My dad used to be a notary, dealt with death and wills his whole life, I can ask him (his experience certainly is as universal as can be). Your points are valid, though, but there are also a lot of people with emotional and/or psychiatric issues on the Org. As for those hints by associates (Cat more recently), I have no idea what it is about but my position in that regards is "if u know something either say it in full or don't mention it at all, but don't make yourself sound like a lunatic with cryptic hints".

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Reply #20 posted 12/13/16 3:19am

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my take is this

Prince got hooked on pain medication and it killed him.... shit like that can happen to human beings

it's horrible

but it is what it is

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Reply #21 posted 12/13/16 8:21am

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Courtney murdered kurt ... yoko helped cia murder john .. mj was murdered ... bob marley was murdered ... mlk was murdered ... john and kurt had junkie wives whom prevented divorce via murder ... john was always on the gov hit list .. mj and mlk spoke out against secret societies just prior to murder .. prince ... who knows ... he certainly brought the industry grief ... at the same time doctors exist to depopulate and if he believed the garbage the spew it may have been accidental
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Reply #22 posted 12/13/16 11:02am

PeteSilas

TrevorAyer said:

Courtney murdered kurt ... yoko helped cia murder john .. mj was murdered ... bob marley was murdered ... mlk was murdered ... john and kurt had junkie wives whom prevented divorce via murder ... john was always on the gov hit list .. mj and mlk spoke out against secret societies just prior to murder .. prince ... who knows ... he certainly brought the industry grief ... at the same time doctors exist to depopulate and if he believed the garbage the spew it may have been accidental

you're joking right?

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Reply #23 posted 12/13/16 11:06am

PeteSilas

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

good for you, your experience isn't universal and neither is mine. It does happen. Usually, in my opinion, it's to take away some of the pain, especially with suicide. I can think of more cases where someone suspected some sort of foul play with a suicide, of people who weren't even famous. Throw in some cultural suspicion and you have lots of black people who think accidents/suicides were murders. Remember the story of Malcolm X's dad being pushed onto railroad tracks? the family really believes that to this day I think, I think some objective looks don't prove anything suspicious. Like I said, people do things to rationalize senseless deaths. With Prince, I'll only go so far as to say we don't have much info yet, i wouldn't say anything about conspiracy or murder and i do wish that if the people who were around him (appolonia and that guy Crutchfield) would stop hinting stuff without any proof, if nothing else, it really makes them look bad.

It certainly happens but not too often. My dad used to be a notary, dealt with death and wills his whole life, I can ask him (his experience certainly is as universal as can be). Your points are valid, though, but there are also a lot of people with emotional and/or psychiatric issues on the Org. As for those hints by associates (Cat more recently), I have no idea what it is about but my position in that regards is "if u know something either say it in full or don't mention it at all, but don't make yourself sound like a lunatic with cryptic hints".

I had a cousin who tried to suggest that my mom had my dad murdered and claimed she had notes that she could read to me. It kind of freaked me out because I been around this cousin since she was 3, and to here something like that just made me wonder what the fuck was wrong with her. It really screwed up our relationship I really don't talk to her much anymore. Who knows why people do those kinds of things, I could only suppose at the time that she was just trying to play with my head but I honestly don't know. People are wierd.

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Reply #24 posted 12/13/16 11:32am

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20+ years and I still sigh at the thought of Kurt

me too. i was listening to in utero last wkend. 'radio friendly unit shifter' and 'very ape' still rawk! 'scentless aprentice' still better than the entire foo fighters catalogue. headbang

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Reply #25 posted 12/13/16 11:36am

darkroman

Kurt who? LOL

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lol lol lol lol

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Reply #26 posted 12/13/16 1:09pm

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mynameisnotsusan said:

20+ years and I still sigh at the thought of Kurt

Me too. Which is how I know that the heartache I feel regarding Prince won't ever go away. I didn't listen to Nirvana for more than a decade because it was too painful... but Prince's music is more integral and essential for me. I can't live without it, even though it often makes me so fucking sad.

No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.

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Reply #27 posted 12/13/16 2:01pm

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PeteSilas said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Thank you! I think people, especially Prince fans, search for conspiracy theories and delve heavily into conjecture and half-baked ideas, simply because they are in denial. They want to make sense of the senselessness of an overdose, or a suicide. They reason the unreasonable. "It just doesn't make sense. Something is fishy." No, it's not fishy. It's not accepting the horrible truth of the situation. Being in my late 40s, I still think about how, for years, people were publishing "Elvis Is Alive" on the front of The Enquirer or whatever rag. Same with JFK, and Hitler. I'm just waiting on the Prince stories. And undoubtedly some fan is going to latch onto that as truth as well. But let's talk about the truth.

I've said it before: Despite how massively horrible this situation is - Prince is dead - it's our truth now. If fans would sidestep the melodrama of "unreal, can't talk, more tears", and just say "Okay, he's gone. What can I do now to grieve and love and pay tribute to him in my own way?", the process of grief, however it plays out, can be much more fruitful and positive for the end-user.

How quickly the public dismisses other rock stars deaths as drug overdoses (purposeful or accidental), when they're not in one's vinyl collection. But the minute your guy ODs himself into oblivion, then it's "Something is wrong here! I need answers!" No, you need a reality check. Prince always talked about "the truth". He never said what "the truth" was, necessarily (although he did state his truth). He usually kept the answer ambiguous, because it's each person's own journey to their personal truth. So I'd encourage those fans who are still in the mindset of suspicion and mystery to sidestep that and start maneuvering in reality. You don't have to like it for right now, but you do have to accept it. If you don't, you're lying to yourself, and it won't bring ol' boy back. We can theorize him back into existence. We can wish hard enough at night and light candles enough to bring him back. What's that saying about "doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result" is the definition of insanity? Prince fans aren't insane (although...some of y'all....), we're passionate. So let's be passionate about the truth of the now, and not counterplots or treachery.


Do Prince fans think they're the only ones who have lost a hero? That no one else "gets it"? Ask a Nirvana fan. Ask an Elvis fan. Ask a Lennon fan. Ask a Whitney or Bowie fan.

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uhh, sometimes things take time, it took twenty something years for doctors who treated bruce lee to come out on record saying they were positive he died from a bad reaction to hashish. the 'official' reason was a pain pill. It was a blatant lie from the looks of it, so that Bruce and Hong Kong wouldn't have to deal with a hero who'd died as the result of an illegal drug, hong kong was also worried about other kids experimenting with what their hero took so they were complicity in everything.

Walter Payton had cancer of the, what was it? Pituatary gland or some such? Liver cancer? It took a good ten years for his pain pill abuse to come out and verify that the cancer most likely didn't just happen to afflict him. With Prince, I still don't know and we've all been round and round with it all. I do not think we have the truth yet but if it's just that simple that he was just another rock and roll junkie so be it, but I just don't think it is that simple.

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Pete: I never knew that about Bruce Lee.

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I think the media and general public are quick to judge and say "yea, just another rock start who O/D", and be done with it. But like you said, in the case of Prince, it's not that simple. I mean, it will be 8-months and the investigation is still on-going. If it was just a cut and dry case over "overdose", then this would have been closed a few months ago. People seem to forget that this is still an "ongoing homicide investigation".

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #28 posted 12/13/16 2:05pm

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PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen. confused

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though. eek

ya, and depending on the social value, there are many murders who no one even tries to solve. I've known a few people, including some of my heroes. Hector Camacho's death is still unsolved.

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True. So many deaths (famous and non-famous) go unsolved. I hate to even turn on the news because every day, there is another murder, another body found. There's so much going on that we don't even hear about. My heart breaks when I hear about missing children, who are never found, or when they are eventually found, it is not good news. sad

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Reply #29 posted 12/13/16 3:48pm

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

uhh, sometimes things take time, it took twenty something years for doctors who treated bruce lee to come out on record saying they were positive he died from a bad reaction to hashish. the 'official' reason was a pain pill. It was a blatant lie from the looks of it, so that Bruce and Hong Kong wouldn't have to deal with a hero who'd died as the result of an illegal drug, hong kong was also worried about other kids experimenting with what their hero took so they were complicity in everything.

Walter Payton had cancer of the, what was it? Pituatary gland or some such? Liver cancer? It took a good ten years for his pain pill abuse to come out and verify that the cancer most likely didn't just happen to afflict him. With Prince, I still don't know and we've all been round and round with it all. I do not think we have the truth yet but if it's just that simple that he was just another rock and roll junkie so be it, but I just don't think it is that simple.

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Pete: I never knew that about Bruce Lee.

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I think the media and general public are quick to judge and say "yea, just another rock start who O/D", and be done with it. But like you said, in the case of Prince, it's not that simple. I mean, it will be 8-months and the investigation is still on-going. If it was just a cut and dry case over "overdose", then this would have been closed a few months ago. People seem to forget that this is still an "ongoing homicide investigation".

ya, two doctors who'd saved his life when he had a brain swelling, only weeks before he died spoke about it in a docu you can find on youtube and in books. the given reason was allergic reaction to equagesic. rumours went every which a way, murder, death curses still are believed by many, many people.

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