darkroman said:

I don't believe Ahmir as a name as in 1996 Prince would have chosen a Christian name.

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Ahmir is an Arabic name. Most Arabic names are non-religious in nature. There are Christians who speak Arabic as their first language and have Arabic names that are also common among Arabic-speaking Muslims, e.g. Kareem.

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Certain Arabic names are Islamic, e.g. Muhammad.

206Michelle said:

This is the only photo of which I know in which Mayte is pregnant with Ahmir.

Source: https://www.pinterest.com...045173798/

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It is here elsewhere on the Org:

http://prince.org/msg/7/428634, p. 1

http://prince.org/msg/7/432345, p. 1

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

// You have to give the baby a name at the hospital that is the law.

laurarichardson,

I posted the quotation from the Pioneer Press because those are Prince's words. It appears that the quotation in the Pioneer Press reflected what Prince and Mayte wished to happen because the world did find out the sex soon after the child's birth/death. Unfortunately, Prince and Mayte never had children who were able to live long enough to "make those decisions" about sharing details of his/her identity.

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This article from from the Star Tribute dated March 1, 1997, provides information from the birth and death certificates for Prince and Mayte's son: http://www.startribune.co...11466661/.

An excerpt from the article states the following:

A death certificate filed in Hennepin County on Nov. 4 lists the child's first name as "Boy" and the last name "Gregory." It lists the mother's name as Mia Gregory and left blank the boxes identifying the child's father.

It lists the child's cause of death to be from complications caused by Pfieffer's syndrome, Type 2, a deadly and rare skull deformity resulting from a genetic mutation.

For weeks after the filing of that death certificate, county officials asked Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, where the child was born, for a matching birth certificate. A month later, a birth certificate - listing a male child with no first name and the last name Garcia - was filed with the county. It said a boy was born to Mayte Garcia-Nelson on Oct. 16, weighing 7 pounds, 12 ounces. The "mother refused information" pertaining to the father's identity, according to the birth certificate.

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As for your statement that "You have to give the baby a name at the hospital that is the law," can you provide a source, like a link to the Minnesota state law from 1996, that would support your statement? I'm not saying that you're wrong by making the aforementioned statement. However, the fact remains that until the tribute to Prince in LA earlier this year at which Mayte disclosed that their son's name was Ahmir, the only name of their son that anyone in the press, the general public, or here on the org knew about was "Boy Gregory." I have a hard time believing that Prince and Mayte would give their son, whom from everything we know was a much-wanted child, the name "Boy."

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Perhaps Mayte will provide some clarity about why their son's name was listed as "Boy Gregory" instead of Ahmir in her forthcoming book. Without this clarity, all that fans and the general public can do is make an educated guess about the situation. The best explanation (educated guess) that I can provide to explain why the birth and death certificates listed "Boy Gregory" as the name is that Prince and Mayte wanted to keep the name a secret for privacy reasons. Sometimes, celebrities with the amount of money and influence of Prince are able to play by different rules than the general public, and maybe money and influence allowed he and Mayte to "buy" more privacy when it came to the name of their son.

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said:

laurarichardson,

I posted the quotation from the Pioneer Press because those are Prince's words. It appears that the quotation in the Pioneer Press reflected what Prince and Mayte wished to happen because the world did find out the sex soon after the child's birth/death. Unfortunately, Prince and Mayte never had children who were able to live long enough to "make those decisions" about sharing details of his/her identity.

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This article from from the Star Tribute dated March 1, 1997, provides information from the birth and death certificates for Prince and Mayte's son: http://www.startribune.co...11466661/.

An excerpt from the article states the following:

A death certificate filed in Hennepin County on Nov. 4 lists the child's first name as "Boy" and the last name "Gregory." It lists the mother's name as Mia Gregory and left blank the boxes identifying the child's father.

It lists the child's cause of death to be from complications caused by Pfieffer's syndrome, Type 2, a deadly and rare skull deformity resulting from a genetic mutation.

For weeks after the filing of that death certificate, county officials asked Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, where the child was born, for a matching birth certificate. A month later, a birth certificate - listing a male child with no first name and the last name Garcia - was filed with the county. It said a boy was born to Mayte Garcia-Nelson on Oct. 16, weighing 7 pounds, 12 ounces. The "mother refused information" pertaining to the father's identity, according to the birth certificate.

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As for your statement that "You have to give the baby a name at the hospital that is the law," can you provide a source, like a link to the Minnesota state law from 1996, that would support your statement? I'm not saying that you're wrong by making the aforementioned statement. However, the fact remains that until the tribute to Prince in LA earlier this year at which Mayte disclosed that their son's name was Ahmir, the only name of their son that anyone in the press, the general public, or here on the org knew about was "Boy Gregory." I have a hard time believing that Prince and Mayte would give their son, whom from everything we know was a much-wanted child, the name "Boy."

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Perhaps Mayte will provide some clarity about why their son's name was listed as "Boy Gregory" instead of Ahmir in her forthcoming book. Without this clarity, all that fans and the general public can do is make an educated guess about the situation. The best explanation (educated guess) that I can provide to explain why the birth and death certificates listed "Boy Gregory" as the name is that Prince and Mayte wanted to keep the name a secret for privacy reasons. Sometimes, celebrities with the amount of money and influence of Prince are able to play by different rules than the general public, and maybe money and influence allowed he and Mayte to "buy" more privacy when it came to the name of their son.

--I don't have the links to prove you can take a child out of the hospital without a name but I am sure it can be found. I have children and I was asked that question before the child was born and had to fill out paper work before right after. Don't you see the problem with not giving the child a name and being allowed to take them out of the hospital? Taxes, identity, social security numbers, state health records are all issues. What Prince wanted to do and could do are to different things. In addition, they could have given the Boy to hide his identity and changed the child's name later to Ahmir.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the baby ever left the hospital alive. It's pretty clear that Boy Gregory is on the birth certificate, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have another name for him had he lived.

It's just so heartbreaking.

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

My mother's birth certificate reads "Baby Girl" for the name because her parents didn't have a name selected by the time they left the hospital. I believe that practice stopped in the 70s, but remember that names can be changed. Perhaps they were going to wait until things settled down and then would quietly petition to change the birth certificate. Or not. None of our business, really. I am just incredulous that people do not believe the mother of the child when she says what his name was. Some of y'all are acting ridiculous.

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

No one took Prince's child out of the hospital because it died

--I know the child died my post is in reference to P's comment about the child naming themselves later down the road. I am saying that was never going to happen.

Actually, it could have. You can change your name if you want to; it just costs money. I have a friend whose mother let her rename herself when she was five. I think the Phoenix family (River, Joaquin) picked out names for themselves as well. It can be done, and Prince would certainly be one to do it. The money would have been like pennies to him.

The only problem is what to call the kid in the meantime. I'd have to look it up, but I think the Phoenix parents did give them names, and then the kids changed them. Some of the new names stuck and some did not (I think Joaquin is his birth name). In my friend's case, she eventually went back to her given name, but she had to change it officially again. It's not hard to do at all.

Incidentally, the only time it doesn't cost money is if you are a woman getting married or divorced. Then it's part of the marriage and/or divorce paperwork. It's possible my friend just waited until she got married to officially change her name back. I'd have to ask her...although she's the type to pay the money to do it at another time. It's not THAT much money...just a few hundred dollars in most places.

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206Michelle said:

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

To subsequent posters quoting this post -

Perhaps this should be interpreted as "our child will get to decide, once they become of age, whether or not they want to tell the world the name that their parents gave them."

a/k/a the child has a right to privacy that we will not undermine by releasing your personal information to the public, such as name and sex, because that's your business alone.

He was not saying that he and the mother would not give the child a name, just that anything that could identify them was not-ya-business.

vuvuzela said:

206Michelle said:

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

To subsequent posters quoting this post -

Perhaps this should be interpreted as "our child will get to decide, once they become of age, whether or not they want to tell the world the name that their parents gave them."

a/k/a the child has a right to privacy that we will not undermine by releasing your personal information to the public, such as name and sex, because that's your business alone.

He was not saying that he and the mother would not give the child a name, just that anything that could identify them was not-ya-business.

Or THIS.

I don't find it odd that they didn't put a name on the birth certificate at the time. It doesn't mean they had no other name in mind, even if they were going to let the boy decide later if he had survived. Either way, the baby's name is Ahmir now, according to his mother. End of story, really.

vuvuzela said:

206Michelle said:

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

To subsequent posters quoting this post -

Perhaps this should be interpreted as "our child will get to decide, once they become of age, whether or not they want to tell the world the name that their parents gave them."

a/k/a the child has a right to privacy that we will not undermine by releasing your personal information to the public, such as name and sex, because that's your business alone.

He was not saying that he and the mother would not give the child a name, just that anything that could identify them was not-ya-business.

babynoz said:

leftcoast said:

darkroman said: Maybe, but he also had a fascination with Egypt.

His fascination was with ancient Egypt, which the name Ahmir has nothing to do with.

And I'll bet folding money that Prince wouldn't have looked into it deeply enough to realize that.

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

No one took Prince's child out of the hospital because it died

--I know the child died my post is in reference to P's comment about the child naming themselves later down the road. I am saying that was never going to happen.

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

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I understand Prince's comment differently. I don't interpret his words as meaning the child will name himself/herself. I interpret his words as meaning that he and Mayte would keep their children out of the public eye, and the child would make the decision as to what personal information to share with the public.

steakfinger said:

And I'll bet folding money that Prince wouldn't have looked into it deeply enough to realize that.

He was a songwriter, one of the best. I think he knew how to take a deeper look into it. He knew words have meanings....

I have 3 kids, I 'took a deeper look' into all of their names before I named them, this is something that parents do.

vuvuzela said:

206Michelle said:

Prince told the St. Paul Pioneer Press, "Whenever we give birth to our children, the world won't know their names, their sex, anything. Our child has to make those decisions."

(Sources: http://www.eonline.com/uk...al-causes, http://www.vanityfair.com...ead-cause)

To subsequent posters quoting this post -

Perhaps this should be interpreted as "our child will get to decide, once they become of age, whether or not they want to tell the world the name that their parents gave them."

a/k/a the child has a right to privacy that we will not undermine by releasing your personal information to the public, such as name and sex, because that's your business alone.

He was not saying that he and the mother would not give the child a name, just that anything that could identify them was not-ya-business.

Vuvuzela, I totally agree. This is exactly how I interpreted the quotation.

steakfinger said:

PennyPurple said:

steakfinger said:

And I'll bet folding money that Prince wouldn't have looked into it deeply enough to realize that.

He was a songwriter, one of the best. I think he knew how to take a deeper look into it. He knew words have meanings....

I have 3 kids, I 'took a deeper look' into all of their names before I named them, this is something that parents do.

I totally agree. Ahmir/Amir means "prince" in Arabic. I don't think it's a coincidence that Prince and Mayte chose an Arabic form of his name for their son because parents often times give their children names that have personal significance.

BillieBalloon said:

teach49 said:

laurarichardson said:

206Michelle said: --I don't have the links to prove you can take a child out of the hospital without a name but I am sure it can be found. I have children and I was asked that question before the child was born and had to fill out paper work before right after. Don't you see the problem with not giving the child a name and being allowed to take them out of the hospital? Taxes, identity, social security numbers, state health records are all issues. What Prince wanted to do and could do are to different things. In addition, they could have given the Boy to hide his identity and changed the child's name later to Ahmir.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the baby ever left the hospital alive. It's pretty clear that Boy Gregory is on the birth certificate, but that doesn't mean that they didn't have another name for him had he lived.

It's just so heartbreaking.

The baby was taken home and died at Paisley Park. There is an article that states there was a death at Paisley and they were investigation. The death was the baby. An autopsy was done to show that it was the Pheiffer Syndrome. I also disagree that the baby's name was not just given out at Prince's tribute. It has been out for several years that his name was Ahmir Gregory Nelson

whatdoesitmatter said:

mnfriend said:

I read the baby did pass away in their home, and 'whomever' then talked smack, and left MN authorities no choice but to investigate. They would not have investigated if the baby had died at the hospital on the Dr.s watch.

The article in the Star Tribune about the baby's death in 1997 says clearly the baby died in the hospital. But, who knows really. Mayte might clear up the confusion in her book. Deaths in hospitals can be under suspicion, though, even under a doctor's care.

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mnfriend said:

Unfortunately I just spent some time looking into this, and yes I read at a medical center (which makes sense the poor baby still under care) the Dr. on the death certificate had confirmed natural death, and there is a special place in hell for those 2 former employees if they tried to blackmail or even for causing any kind of additional pain to the most tragic thing that can happen to a person.

prince and mayte had taken the baby off the ventilator and then left the nannies at the hospital to take care of all the details and then call the prince when he had died and then the cremation. the authorities got involved bcos of the twin nannies. what they did was unspeakably cruel and nasty.

mnfriend said:

Unfortunately I just spent some time looking into this, and yes I read at a medical center (which makes sense the poor baby still under care) the Dr. on the death certificate had confirmed natural death, and there is a special place in hell for those 2 former employees if they tried to blackmail or even for causing any kind of additional pain to the most tragic thing that can happen to a person.

It was unbelievably cruel.