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Thread started 12/05/16 2:38am

justAmeda

Do We Really Have The Right To Pass Judgement?

This was a post from Housequake's facebook page. This is an excellent reminder when we want to question or pass judgement on Prince's family and those who are now in charge of anything that Prince was involved in. Fans forget that we were not privy to his every moment of life. We only counted or mattered when it came to selling his music and selling out shows. That sounds pretty shallow to say but fans are not close family or close staff workers, bandmates, and such that would have actually known him. Even the ones that knew him were not privy to what was going on at any given time in his mind so in reality the only person that really knew Prince was Prince and his creator....Here is the the post from Housequake's Facebook Page......


“It’s not what Prince would have wanted…”
This (and variations of it) is a statement we’ve often seen in our post’s comments and twitter replies whenever there’s a new announcement or development via the Paisley Park estate.
While it’s comforting to think we, as long time fans, knew the real Prince, the reality is he was a deeply complex and contradictory character. Perhaps the most obvious indicator of this was the contrast between the exuberance, flamboyance and power of his stage persona, and his reticent, guarded and private nature off stage.
So what is it that fans mean when they claim to know what Prince would have wanted? Most of us are likely making educated guesses based on his past actions and statements. The problem with this is Prince was prone to changing his mind a lot, and not just on trivial matters, but on life and career changing decisions.
After all this is the man who, with great fanfare and umbrage, discarded his iconic name (at the time declaring “Prince to be dead”) and replaced it with an unpronounceable symbol. He shunned his longtime record label and recorded an album that he declared would never be released by them. Needless to say, the Gold Experience eventually came out on Warner Brothers records, and a few years later he reverted his name back to Prince.
It’s relatively easy to cherry-pick events or statements from Prince’s past to create our own personal hagiography of him. His fondness for speaking cryptically certainly meant his words were often open to numerous interpretations, but there are many more examples throughout his career of confounding behaviour and radical changes in his personal philosophy.
We can claim he would never have sanctioned some of the things the Paisley Park trustees are doing, but as well as being an artist, Prince was a business man, and comfortable with striking deals that would see him financially well rewarded.
The truth is there is no definitive answer to the question of what Prince wanted to happen to his music and his possessions after his death. In the absence of a Will (not altogether surprising given his past aversion for written contracts) it seems Prince has left us with one last mystery, and proved himself to be as enigmatic in death as he was in life.
So while we all want to see Prince’s legacy treated with the respect and reverence it deserves, perhaps we should be less quick to judge and bemoan every effort of the trustees to monetise his music, and certainly less inclined to state with surety that we know what Prince would have wanted.
-R- & MF...........
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Reply #1 posted 12/05/16 3:03am

LittlePurpleYo
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As Prince left no will, what he may have "wanted" is largely immaterial. The decisions on the future of his estate are no longer his to make & the sole interest now is to continue their legacy in the interest of his name & commercial & artistic appeal.

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Reply #2 posted 12/05/16 3:41am

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Conversely, there were numerous lucrative deals Prince could've made or pursued that he didn't.

Prince was mostly guided by principles. For example, choosing to work with Tidal rather than Spotify that had millions more subscribers; his desire to keep his music off Youtube, etc.

You can speculate that fans didn't matter other than sources of income but he performed twice for me and many others for just £10 in London in 2014 and we now know that he was in pain for the last few years of his life and still chose to perform for fans rather than strike other lucrative deals or sell assets which would have ensured a more 'restful' life.
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Reply #3 posted 12/05/16 5:08am

luvgirl

OperatingThetan said:

Conversely, there were numerous lucrative deals Prince could've made or pursued that he didn't.

Prince was mostly guided by principles. For example, choosing to work with Tidal rather than Spotify that had millions more subscribers; his desire to keep his music off Youtube, etc.

You can speculate that fans didn't matter other than sources of income but he performed twice for me and many others for just £10 in London in 2014 and we now know that he was in pain for the last few years of his life and still chose to perform for fans rather than strike other lucrative deals or sell assets which would have ensured a more 'restful' life.


Excellent point!
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Reply #4 posted 12/05/16 5:11am

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OperatingThetan said:

. Prince was mostly guided by principles.

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Oh please. Dude gave a song to Napster and then six months later bitched about them. Whined about iTunes then gave them exclusive song. Etc etc etc.

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Reply #5 posted 12/05/16 5:41am

Lovejunky

BartVanHemelen said:

OperatingThetan said:

. Prince was mostly guided by principles.

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Oh please. Dude gave a song to Napster and then six months later bitched about them. Whined about iTunes then gave them exclusive song. Etc etc etc.

Ive been watching you lately Bart...

You crack me up....Im laughing so hard right now....

I can see you are a glass half empty kind of guy....

Peace and BE wild....

hahahhahaha

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Reply #6 posted 12/05/16 6:03am

laurarichardso
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BartVanHemelen said:

OperatingThetan said:

. Prince was mostly guided by principles.

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Oh please. Dude gave a song to Napster and then six months later bitched about them. Whined about iTunes then gave them exclusive song. Etc etc etc.

So what. Business deals or arrangements go sour all the time and they don't last forever. You move on to the next thing. Who still cares about Napster?

Prince could have made a lot more money and he choose not to do so due to his beliefs or principles.

They were his beliefs not yours or anyone else's.

I also wish people would realize that the musuem was his idea and without touring revenue prices for events are going to be inflated from the days in the past.

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Reply #7 posted 12/05/16 8:42am

TrivialPursuit

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We have the right to do whatever we wish. So does the estate. That's the joy in the human freedoms of speech and opinion.

I don't think Prince would have had much problem with the business decisions being made at this point. He didn't always make the best business decisions anyway and was often advised against what he eventually decided to do. All that much to the dismay of his bank account, and those around him. There's one level of mad genius that you endure, there's another of just being ignorant about a good choice.

To say Prince only cared about his fans when it came to selling a record is utter bullshit and not fact based at all. Fans did know him. People like Dr. Funkenberry was a fan, and got close. Hell, Prince's second wife was a fan, and married his ass! Do your homework. Prince playing shows at Paisley Park, sometimes with just a small cover charge, or no charge at all wasn't just about selling a record. Sitting down to talk in a Q&A with fans about an album or otherwise is not just about selling a record. Prince was music, I believe that. He did nothing but make music, and put it out to the public to consume, enjoy, learn from, and share with those around them. Prince spoke through his music, whether lyrically or instrumentally. But while he was operating in his gift, he was also a person with a job. This was his job. You can't penalize someone for doing their job and what they're called to do. Besides, in a post-Napster age, record sales have plummeted overall, and musicians have long since stopped trying to make a buck on a record to pay the light bill.

We're as invested in the legacy as anyone signing documents and calling a contractor. The fact alone that someone was listening (I like to think they listened to me) and put "Moonbeams Levels" out on 4Ever is, at least, some hope that the future holds great things.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #8 posted 12/05/16 8:44am

FunkOnTheOne

BartVanHemelen said:

OperatingThetan said:

. Prince was mostly guided by principles.

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Oh please. Dude gave a song to Napster and then six months later bitched about them. Whined about iTunes then gave them exclusive song. Etc etc etc.

This may surprise you Bart but some people don't like where they work but still go. Some people who are self-employed don't like a particualr company but may still work with them.

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Reply #9 posted 12/05/16 9:29am

OperatingTheta
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BartVanHemelen said:



OperatingThetan said:


. Prince was mostly guided by principles.

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Oh please. Dude gave a song to Napster and then six months later bitched about them. Whined about iTunes then gave them exclusive song. Etc etc etc.



And you've been bitching and whining about Prince for about 18 years and are still here.
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