Greatest Hits will always sell, you can't compare them to studio albums. People who want to buy a Prince compilation will be buying this in the future, it will be a slow seller. 4ever will outsell Hit N Run (Phase One and Two), AOA and PE sooner or later.

hw3004 said:

RODSERLING said:

The album is not doing well overall, but considering the poor tracklist (always the same songs, only one unreleased track...) just imagine how well it would have done if it was done properly : one unreleased track by disc, post-warner hits ( TMBGITW, GOLD, HOLY RIVER, MUSICOLOGY, BLACKSWEAT...).

WB lost his money on this, this failure was highly predictable. I hope these people who conceived this will be fired.

i would doubt Warners lost money on this.

Don't be so sure.

They lost the opportunity to release a greatest hits covering his entire carreer, which is a huge commercial mistake.

They should have released instead ¨PR deluxe, but it seems they can' and they surely won't.

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In france, WB spent 500.000 euros in advertising campaign. The results ? 4ever peaked at #46 the first week (!), and for the second week is down to #71 (!!). So around 3000 ex sold for so much money spent is not a good result at all.

RODSERLING said:

TwiliteKid said:

RODSERLING said:

Don't be so sure.

They lost the opportunity to release a greatest hits covering his entire carreer, which is a huge commercial mistake.

They should have released instead ¨PR deluxe, but it seems they can' and they surely won't.

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In france, WB spent 500.000 euros in advertising campaign. The results ? 4ever peaked at #46 the first week (!), and for the second week is down to #71 (!!). So around 3000 ex sold for so much money spent is not a good result at all.

How can you claim to know how much Warner spent or earned? And your suggestion that they can't and won't release PR deluxe is pure speculation.

If they really could re-release PR with an unreleased bonus disc, don't you think they would have it by now ? Why waste the holiday season to release another GH compilation ?

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This is the 4ever's program of the marketing campaign, from a Schkopi guy.

FOCUS :

Campagne Pub TV 200k euros
Partenariat RTL 250K euros
Campagne Web 50K euros

MARKETING :

* TV (Campagne Pub TV 200K euros)
TF1, Canal +, M6, BFM TV

* Radio
RTL Partenariat RTL 250k euros
Speaks animateurs et bandes annonces à partir du 25/11

* Web
Campagne Web 50k euros à définir

PROMOTION :

* TV :
chroniques à prévoir sur Canal + (grand journal), France 2 (Alcaline, Tele Matin), BFM TV

* Radio :
Mise en radio du titre inédit
RTL : programmation musicale soutenue de titres extraits du best of
News et Chroniques sur : RTL, RTL2, France inter, Nostalgie, RFM, Europe 1

* Presse :
News et articles à prévoir sur : Rolling Stone, Rock&Folk, Les Inrocks, Le Monde, Le figaro, Le Parisien, Telerama, Liberation, VSD, Le nouvel Obs, Guitar Part, Guitare Extreme, Paris Match, L'Express, Guitarist, Ouest France, Sud ouest, L'Echo Republicain, Les Echos, Keyboards/Recording, Muziq ...

* Web :
RTL.FR et réseaux sociaux RTL : avant-première du titre inédit (TBC), présentation du best of et jeux concours.
Sujet sur le site de Muzik et Funku.fr
Posts sur le FB The Good Sound

dance4me3121 said:

^ Its already been said PR deluxe is coming early next year

It has been announced since 2014...But where is the tracklist of the bonus disc ? Where are the cover arts ?

In the UK, the album has climbed the charts from 24, 24 again to 22.

Still at #13 in Dutch iTunes. Really surprises me.

RODSERLING said:

They should have released instead ¨PR deluxe, but it seems they can' and they surely won't.

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Nonsense. PR Deluxe will likely be released around 21 April 2017, promoted in part by exclusive interviews and features in the likes of Mojo etc.

luxegolightly said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yes, let's ignore the facts. Let's ignore that WBR only has the rights to his 1980s and 1990s albums released by them, and not even all of them (seems the post-1992 contract ones are out of bounds). let's ignore that Prince was involved in this compilation, etc.

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Who knows what the original plans were; wouldn't be surprised if those involved "deleting" TH/TBS, Ultimate and TVBO, plus other promo activity. Wouldn't be surprised if there were negociations WRT getting access to additional tracks (e.g. TMBGITW). But all of that is now on hold, so they had to work with what they did have access to and the rights to.

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And chances are they had to do something NOW, because there is a danger that the real mess WRT the rights to his music is just about to explode, and in such a case having product in stores is waaaaay more important than making big bucks. Because now they also have "Moonbeam Levels" in their catalogue.

But does anyone know why Prince delivered another compilation that's essentially the same as the others?

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Did you even bother reading what I wrote? Lemme quote it again:

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Who knows what the original plans were; wouldn't be surprised if those involved "deleting" TH/TBS, Ultimate and TVBO, plus other promo activity. Wouldn't be surprised if there were negociations WRT getting access to additional tracks (e.g. TMBGITW). But all of that is now on hold, so they had to work with what they did have access to and the rights to.

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RODSERLING said:

hw3004 said:

i would doubt Warners lost money on this.

Don't be so sure.

They lost the opportunity to release a greatest hits covering his entire carreer, which is a huge commercial mistake.

They should have released instead ¨PR deluxe, but it seems they can' and they surely won't.

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In france, WB spent 500.000 euros in advertising campaign. The results ? 4ever peaked at #46 the first week (!), and for the second week is down to #71 (!!). So around 3000 ex sold for so much money spent is not a good result at all.

My thoughts are based on a presumption that the only significant costs in for this are on advertising spend and, in the UK at any rate, I've not been aware of any significant advertising.

Also, I don't think that a greatest hits with post '93 material would be significantly different in terms of track listing or that much more attractive to a casual buyer...

This week

US Album sales

re-entry 45 PRINCE 4EVER WARNER BROS. 9,627

UK

21 (22) 4EVER

i feel Prince is still saying to WB....

no way would he of approved this....

Not sure why anyone is surprised by these results. When he died, both Ultimate and TVBO and charted. Nearly everyone that wanted a Prince compilation bought it already. 4Ever was a pointless release, even with Moonbeam Levels.

So PRINCE 4EVER has sold a total of about 30,000 so far in the U.S.

N.E.W.S and PLECTRUM ELECTRUM still sold more...

feeluupp said:

So PRINCE 4EVER has sold a total of about 30,000 so far in the U.S.

N.E.W.S and PLECTRUM ELECTRUM still sold more...

More than 40k in US and around 100k Worldwide.

They should have put together a live album. Personally, I have the albums from the 80s, and then at least two hits or "best of" CDs. I really don't need all the same music again.

But a live album from his many concerts. Oh, that I would LOVE and I would snatch up in a minute. In fact, there are several live albums I'd buy, even of some of the same songs.

And, yes, I have snatched some from Youtube, but I'd still buy them. I'd LOVE the audio version.

Just my two cents...for any lurkers out there.

BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

They should have released instead ¨PR deluxe, but it seems they can' and they surely won't.

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Nonsense. PR Deluxe will likely be released around 21 April 2017, promoted in part by exclusive interviews and features in the likes of Mojo etc.

JudasSmile said:

In the UK, the album has climbed the charts from 24, 24 again to 22.

And this week's it's at 21. It's highest position so far.

appreciate these releases are seen as long term/slow burners BUT the logic beggars belief. Whichever way I look at it the same points resonate i.e.:

1] a rushed release to capitalise on xmas

2] pointless release as majotity of hits are already well catered for on the other vailable compilations

3] strange track listing

4] Moonbeam Levels - did the estate really think think hardcore would rush out to buy this beacuse we dont already have it?!

5] Weak artwork - so much more could have been done to cover the span of time these songs cover

Overall a poor effort & a pointless release IMHO.

my opinion of the low sales is this:

1. most of the songs, fans already have on other CDs or albums, only they are not enhanced

2. Some people feel WB is trying to make money on him after his death, and avid fans don't want to give them that satisfaction.

Spayne said:

JudasSmile said:

In the UK, the album has climbed the charts from 24, 24 again to 22.

And this week's it's at 21. It's highest position so far.

And a second week at #21. That's pretty consistent, and you would imagine the sales each week would have to increase to hold position as Christmas approaches. Could see this albums selling decent numbers over a longer period of time.