oliviacamron said:

mjscarousal said:

zenarose said:

zenarose said:

oliviacamron said:

zenarose said:

The court rejected the claim bc it had no $$$ amount. There's no telling, but Id bet after the first of the year. Too late now.

That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

Ahhh. Not stupid lawyer, smart lawyer

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That's what I mean......they are trying to be slick.

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Yea, we know that angle you's lawyers always use!

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Do you work for TIDAL?

-- No, I do not but what I am doing is looking at the facts of the case directly from the court docs. I am not bringing my emotions to the table.

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

zenarose said: That seems kinda stupid of them (Tidal)

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They know better than that, come on! They are trying to bide their time with the Court.

Pretty much This is not rocket science. If they had figures of what they paid Prince they would have already given it. TIDAL and Jay Z are full of s.h.i.t. I am so angry at the nerve of them trying to screw over Prince AFTER he was kind and tried to mentor them, especially Jay Z

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mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said: -- No, I do not but what I am doing is looking at the facts of the case directly from the court docs. I am not bringing my emotions to the table.

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

laurarichardson said:

mjscarousal said:

Well the reason why I asked this question is because there are facts that suggest that TIDAL/Jay Z are full of shit but you seem to keep either ignoring or not considering the information. It feels that you have this need to defend TIDAL at all costs for whatever reason. Nobody is bringing emotions to the table, we as fans naturally want what is best for Prince and there is clear evidence that show that TIDAL cannot be trusted (you don't seem to care about that though).

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

mjscarousal said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Of course that was the reason he wanted to do business with TIDAL and I believe that is the reason people have been throwing shade at the company from the start. Same thing happend when Oprah started OWN and now look at it.

I believe Phaedra has a lot to do with this and I think those documents she provided is the reason the bulk of the music is still up on Tidal. More going on with this then we know.

Yes.

1Sasha said:

Yes.

In four months it will a year from his death. What are people going to say if the bulk of the material is still on Tidal? That Tidal is so powerful of a company that they can beat a copyright infringement case?

Agreed, LR.

cloveringold85 said:

1Sasha said:

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Except they are really owned by a Swedish company. I even read that in the court docs . I don't understand this but Jz bought shares from Aspire.

I believe Jay-Z is the largest shareholder.

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

I am reading what is in the court docs and you are not. So you are going off of emotion. If Tidal has not paid any money the federal and probate courts will make sure the estate gets the money. No worries about that the estate is being over seen by a court not by Willy Wonka.

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents.

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Except they are really owned by a Swedish company. I even read that in the court docs . I don't understand this but Jz bought shares from Aspire.

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^^^^

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

I had mentioned this before, but I think the fact that TIDAL has African-American ownership (at least in part) was a key factor in Prince's placement of his music with it. Brother to Brother, so to speak. Phaedra is the one who knows the facts on this agreement. I am sure.

Of course that was the reason he wanted to do business with TIDAL and I believe that is the reason people have been throwing shade at the company from the start. Same thing happend when Oprah started OWN and now look at it.

I believe Phaedra has a lot to do with this and I think those documents she provided is the reason the bulk of the music is still up on Tidal. More going on with this then we know.

Oh c'mon boo thats not the reason. TIDAL and Jay Z is FULL of doo doo and what turned people off from it was the arrogant and self titled marketing roll out by the company and Jay Z. Jay doesn't even own TIDAL! Its obnoxious how Jay Z and those other celebs did that whole press conference, trying to persuade consumers to sign up for TIDAL because it would be good "for artists and help artists" as if we are some foolish peasants that need to continue to give money to millionaires solely because of who they ARE. You dag on right, people had every right to call TIDAL out. A white man owns TIDAL anyway, not Jay Z, he owns a small stake in the company but not majority. Jay Z probably fed Prince a bunch of lies.

Exec: Jay-Z Isn’t Majority Owner of Tidal https://screen.yahoo.com/...rc=default via @yahooScreen

Tidal chief investment officer Vania Schlogel explains to the WSJ’s Lee Hawkins that, contrary to public perception, Tidal is not owned only by Jay-Z, but by a consortium of more than a dozen major artists.

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT

cloveringold85 said:

mjscarousal said:

Everything I am saying is in line with the court docs. TIDAL is stalling with presenting documents with proper figures because they dont have any. You are choosing to believe that they have proof of agreement and documentation but that does not mean I am going off of emotions. I find it truly bizarre you defend TIDAL so passionately despite their questionable behavior towards Prince.

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I understand where you are coming from, MJS and I agree. Given the fact that Prince trusted JayZ, and then for them to be acting this way after Prince's death speaks in volumes about their character.

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I think when there are verbal deals, a lot of emotions DO in fact play into it. That's the kind of guy Prince was; if he felt a connection to you, and he could trust you (and he trusted very few), then he expected you to carry out and respect his wishes.

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Character is everything. You can talk b.s. all day but at the end of the day, it is your "actions" that define who you truly are!

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Just giving my 2-cents.

Character is indeed everything. Prince talked highly of Jay Z because he trusted him and believed in him (although he was misled by Jay Z). He probably lied to Prince and told him that he owned TIDAL although he doesnt. Jay Z is a clown. I feel its natural for any fan to become emotional if they feel someone they admire has been used or taken advantage of.

mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT

He is a large shareholder of the company. Entertainers had an opportunity to gain shares in the company and to receive a larger royalty. If the company is based in Swenden how the hell would all of the employees be black? You start with buying stock and working your way up. Oprah Winfrey had stock options in King World the company that owned her show and the company she worked for. When King World was sold she cashed in her options and brought the studio were the show was recorded and started her own production company. My point here is she started off as a shareholder and became an owner. Prince said he liked the fact that Tidal was a new company getting off the ground and he liked to support new businesses. We has a people need to start thinking five years ahead and stop being worker bees. I think that is all Prince, Jay-Z and the other entertainers involved are trying to do. Remember people laughed when Prince had a subscription music service 15 years ago. Now the streaming services are laughing all the way to the the bank and the artist are crying.

laurarichardson said:

He is a large shareholder of the company. Entertainers had an opportunity to gain shares in the company and to receive a larger royalty. If the company is based in Swenden how the hell would all of the employees be black? You start with buying stock and working your way up. Oprah Winfrey had stock options in King World the company that owned her show and the company she worked for. When King World was sold she cashed in her options and brought the studio were the show was recorded and started her own production company. My point here is she started off as a shareholder and became an owner. Prince said he liked the fact that Tidal was a new company getting off the ground and he liked to support new businesses. We has a people need to start thinking five years ahead and stop being worker bees. I think that is all Prince, Jay-Z and the other entertainers involved are trying to do. Remember people laughed when Prince had a subscription music service 15 years ago. Now the streaming services are laughing all the way to the the bank and the artist are crying.

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I see it the same way Laura.I have no vested interest in JAY Z at all, Its not about Liking him or not.
THE business decisions made by him and Prince are Visionairy and somewhat strategic.

I still cant believe that anyone thinks that Prince didnt know what he was doing...??

Or that he was tricked...

He and Jayz were making a move that both believed was going to benefit all artists.

NOW unfortunatley all this negativity towards JAYZ may actually twart what he and Prince were attempting to do.

JayZ has rapped in a song

Prince left his Masters where they are Safe and SOund

We aint ever gonna let the Elevator bring him down"

I believe him..I dont know why...My GUT Tells me that Jay Z has a lot of LOVE and Respect for Prince....

Very good points. I wish people would stop being emotional and stop bringing their hate for hip-hop and Jay-Z into the picture. The courts docs say their was a Equity Term Agreement as well as verbal agreements both Breamer and Roc Nation/Tidal agree that there was a 90 day exclusity clause so the question is why did Breamer not just put the music on other platforms since 90 days has long passed while they wait for the Federal case to be heard?

If there is TRUTH in The Rap..then Maybe JAYZ does have access to Princes Masters..and in having them, it would be obvious that he got them from ONLY ONE Source .

If Prince Gave JAYZ access and They are safe and sound with JAY Z (though I cant imagine that Phaedra doest have some control somwhere) the this is really not about anyone else except Phaedra and JAYZ coming to some Mutual understnding where SHE is satisfied that his wishes are being carried out (becasue SHE would know more than anyone ) and JAYZ is satisfied that HIS agreement with Prince is Honoured !

Also Maybe Breamer and "The Estate" are not sure what exactly Prince wanted and the thought that it may all be up to Phaedra and Jay Z is beyond them ????

MJS: Great find! Thanks for sharing that info and Pic! Interesting to know that Tidal is owned by a white man and run/operated by white people. I didn't think that JayZ had the business smarts to start-up a company all on his own. He obviously had a lot of help!

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And, what's with the people who are flashing the "666" sign?

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mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

The CEO is Peter Tonstad, and he is a white man.

All the staff at TIDAL are white, where did yall get Black owned business at??? Oh that is right, yall got it from the Camels mouth LMAO

LIKE I SAID, and have been saying for the millionth time, Jay Z is full of SHIT