annastesia1 said:

I have a friend who is a doctor. He specializes in helping people who are addicted to pain medication. If my friend would have met Prince he could have saved him.

it's too late, he was surrounded by the wrong people...I just wish...sigh...smh...yes, I do believe he could have been save...but the opoids could have done a great deal of damage to his body...

A drug addict, by definition, is weak--its the nature of the condition. I am not judging him or anything. But he was human obviously.

Morningstarlet said:

You can't "save" someone unless they want help. You can't help someone unless they ask for it. I hate that Prince died, but he wasn't some weak helpless person. From everything I've read about Prince he had a will of iron, and unless he wanted help no one was going to push him. No one could save Prince without him wanting it. I really don't get the guilt some people seem to have over his death. It happened, it sucks, but nothing can change it.

We can't change the past. All we can do is try to get the facts from the investigation so that we understand what actually happened. That is all I am looking for. He gave so much for nearly 40 years. I am simply so very sad, for him, that this tragedy happened.

purplerabbithole said:

A drug addict, by definition, is weak--its the nature of the condition. I am not judging him or anything. But he was human obviously.

Morningstarlet said:

You can't "save" someone unless they want help. You can't help someone unless they ask for it. I hate that Prince died, but he wasn't some weak helpless person. From everything I've read about Prince he had a will of iron, and unless he wanted help no one was going to push him. No one could save Prince without him wanting it. I really don't get the guilt some people seem to have over his death. It happened, it sucks, but nothing can change it.

What's the definition of weak that you are using in this context? Weak in character? Weak in health? Weak in strength? Weak in moral character? Weak in willpower?

We're all powerless over the inevitability of death however that happens. If you don't believe that then you are going to cause yourself unnecessary suffering.

Poorlovelycomputer said:

I got blasted by someone on here stating I was wrong to say he ever had an addiction at all. There are many sides to dependency and there is still a great deal of misunderstanding and denial that comes with it.30 years ago I would have never imagined him leaving the way he did neither did he probably he will be a part of my life until I leave here

Hmmm, sadly I fear that almost certainly refers to me, and I apologize unreservedly to you for any undue offence that I may have inadvertently caused.

Whilst I have found some of the less sympathetic media coverage unpalatable enough, fellow diehards here apparently unquestioningly buying the (what is after all pretty much unsubstantiated) long term pain-killer dependency media line kinda grates on my nerves.

I don’t think there should be any stigma whatsoever attached to such a dependency, nor do I consider myself to be in denial, as perhaps you seem to suggest, (although then again, if I were in denial, I probably wouldn’t ), but this unconfirmed allegation repeatedly being stated as an unqualified, outright fact here is becoming increasingly irksome to me.

Mind you, that’s absolutely no excuse whatsoever on my part though, and I’m sorry if I chewed you out needlessly. You are of course perfectly entitled to your opinion, and should be equally entitled & welcome to express it here, without the fear of some grumpy numpty like me biting your head off.

Having said that, perhaps you may excuse my obstinacy, if from my (albeit admittedly ludicrously biased) perspective until we have heard categorically from a reliable, named, recognizable colleague/family member (ie. NOT some anonymous, nameless, faceless media ‘source’), I consider it prudent for me to endeavor not jump to any uncharitable (and very possibly completely untrue) conclusions about our man.

I can only reiterate that I heard Prince play live a few times two years ago, and he put in quite the energetic performances (on one occasion on consecutive nights), which paint a stark and incongruous contrast with a man supposedly crippled by chronic hip pain.

Sadly one of my friends has hip issues, and is consequently barely able to walk, hobbling around slowly, and very clearly in some considerable pain. Somehow I seriously doubt he could dance about enthusiastically for 10 seconds, let alone for over 2 hours in front of umpteen thousand people on consecutive nights.

I freely admit that I may very well be completely wrong, but for now (especially without the word of one single credible, named colleague/family member) I’m sorry but I reserve the right to remain a tad skeptical about Prince’s alleged long-term dependency on pain killers for chronic hip pain.

GrayDorian said:

I freely admit that I may very well be completely wrong, but for now (especially without the word of one single credible, named colleague/family member) I’m sorry but I reserve the right to remain a tad skeptical about Prince’s alleged long-term dependency on pain killers for chronic hip pain.

I know - I feel the same - it is about time someone came out now and was totally honest. We are all ready and we can handle it now I think.

GrayDorian? You sound like a smart person. I would value your opinion on what you understand Prince's cousin to mean by his following statements…

There's also this very telling question and answer on that same page — { at around the 1:48 mark of the video }…

Please share your thoughts on Chazz Smith's answers, GrayDorian? Thanks in advance.

annastesia1 said:

i still have a hard time believing that he WAS alone that night

calhounlovejoy said:

annastesia1 said:

I have a friend who is a doctor. He specializes in helping people who are addicted to pain medication. If my friend would have met Prince he could have saved him. P.S. If any one here is addicted to pain medication and would like to get help, please send me a private message. I can give you information about treatment programs. [Edited 11/13/16 15:58pm]

Help was on the way when he died.

the doctor from LA came the morning after he died with suboxone (an opioid blocker).

he was just hours late. had Prince held on 1 day longer..

SignOthetimes1987 said:

gollygirl said:

GrayDorian said:

I freely admit that I may very well be completely wrong, but for now (especially without the word of one single credible, named colleague/family member) I’m sorry but I reserve the right to remain a tad skeptical about Prince’s alleged long-term dependency on pain killers for chronic hip pain.

And Chazz's first response was:

"Prince's cousin Chazz Smith said he could not comment on reports about Prince's health and would not say when he last saw his cousin.

"I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy," said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids.

Smith said Prince swore off drugs and alcohol as a kid, and the group they played with saw a lot of music greats fall, so "we decided to never get into that stuff, and no one did.""

22nd April 2016

Hmmmm

sunset3121 said:

gollygirl said:

And Chazz's first response was:

"Prince's cousin Chazz Smith said he could not comment on reports about Prince's health and would not say when he last saw his cousin.

"I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy," said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids.

Smith said Prince swore off drugs and alcohol as a kid, and the group they played with saw a lot of music greats fall, so "we decided to never get into that stuff, and no one did.""

22nd April 2016

Hmmmm

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Yep, he changed his story. I wonder why? Did he change his story so as to fit with what the media wanted to put out there or what P's family wanted to put out there--to make the drug overdose story fit? Makes you wonder. When people do that, they have zero credibility in my book.

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I don't think Prince could have been saved because it was a lethal dose of illegal Fentanyl that killed him. He was alone -- even if someone was there to immediately call 911, there is a 50/50 chance he could have survived. He had so much drugs in his system (lethal cocktail).

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If Prince did have an addiction problem (we don't know he did), and his team wanted to get him help, they certainly went about it the wrong way. Andrew Kornfeld is not a doctor and had no business being there at PP. Also, if things were so bad with Prince, they should have gotten medical help, ASAP -- not call some doctor in California and have his un-qualified Son to fly a red-eye, and stay the night in a hotel -- only to show up the next morning, and Prince was found unresponsive in an elevator -- and it was too late.

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That is not how you help someone in need. Not in my book.

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BTW, I commend you on offering help to those struggling with addiction. Like someone else said here, you can offer help to someone, but they have to make that first step. The first step is realizing you have a problem -- next step....wanting to get help and get better.

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[Edited 11/15/16 14:10pm]

cloveringold85 said:

I don't think Prince could have been saved because it was a lethal dose of illegal Fentanyl that killed him. He was alone -- even if someone was there to immediately call 911, there is a 50/50 chance he could have survived. He had so much drugs in his system (lethal cocktail).

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If Prince did have an addiction problem (we don't know he did), and his team wanted to get him help, they certainly went about it the wrong way. Andrew Kornfeld is not a doctor and had no business being there at PP. Also, if things were so bad with Prince, they should have gotten medical help, ASAP -- not call some doctor in California and have his un-qualified Son to fly a red-eye, and stay the night in a hotel -- only to show up the next morning, and Prince was found unresponsive in an elevator -- and it was too late.

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That is not how you help someone in need. Not in my book.

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BTW, I commend you on offering help to those struggling with addiction. Like someone else said here, you can offer help to someone, but they have to make that first step. The first step is realizing you have a problem -- next step....wanting to get help and get better.

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[Edited 11/15/16 14:10pm]

I agree, but how do you do that when your brain is on chemicals on a daily basis?
That's really debatable. I think this is one of the rare cases in life where you have go against free will.
Especially when it comes to stuff as addictive as heroin.

It's precisely the loss of being able to take some distance from your own situation that is at stake.
If the drugs are messing with your ability to think straight, how will you ever be able do that first step?
I suspect the "first step" thing comes from people who were never into serious drugs problems.
They don't know what addiction truly is.

But again, we don't know shit.

If Prince felt victim of addiction, at least the drugs didn't alter his kindness.
Maybe, on the contrary, they kept him flying "Like a bird flyin' over the hilltops".
And jump up and down until the very end.

In the end, it was an accident / 3rd degree murder.
It was not the molecule the box read.

bonatoc said:

cloveringold85 said:

I don't think Prince could have been saved because it was a lethal dose of illegal Fentanyl that killed him. He was alone -- even if someone was there to immediately call 911, there is a 50/50 chance he could have survived. He had so much drugs in his system (lethal cocktail).

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If Prince did have an addiction problem (we don't know he did), and his team wanted to get him help, they certainly went about it the wrong way. Andrew Kornfeld is not a doctor and had no business being there at PP. Also, if things were so bad with Prince, they should have gotten medical help, ASAP -- not call some doctor in California and have his un-qualified Son to fly a red-eye, and stay the night in a hotel -- only to show up the next morning, and Prince was found unresponsive in an elevator -- and it was too late.

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That is not how you help someone in need. Not in my book.

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BTW, I commend you on offering help to those struggling with addiction. Like someone else said here, you can offer help to someone, but they have to make that first step. The first step is realizing you have a problem -- next step....wanting to get help and get better.

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[Edited 11/15/16 14:10pm]

I agree, but how do you do that when your brain is on chemicals on a daily basis?
That's really debatable. I think this is one of the rare cases in life where you have go against free will.
Especially when it comes to stuff as addictive as heroin.

It's precisely the loss of being able to take some distance from your own situation that is at stake.
If the drugs are messing with your ability to think straight, how will you ever be able do that first step?
I suspect the "first step" thing comes from people who were never into serious drugs problems.
They don't know what addiction truly is.

But again, we don't know shit.

If Prince felt victim of addiction, at least the drugs didn't alter his kindness.
Maybe, on the contrary, they kept him flying "Like a bird flyin' over the hilltops".
And jump up and down until the very end.

In the end, it was an accident / 3rd degree murder.
It was not the molecule the box read.

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Very nicely stated, and I agree; we don't know if our Princey had a problem, and if he did, would he reach out for help? Prince was a man of privacy and integrity. If he had an addiction problem, he certainly wouldn't want his closest friends to know about it, let alone us little people, ya know?

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I like what you said about his "kindness". He was always kind, generous and loving. What happened to him was just a tragic accident. Losing Prince has been one of the saddest things to ever happen to me, next to losing my Mom.

i think not..carelsss accident

I definitely believe I could have, if not saved him, convinced him to get treatment, had I known for sure, that it was an opioed dependency.

rainbowchild said:

coulda, should, woulda...let the man Rest In Peace already...

Right. God is in charge.

The bottom-line is, Prince did what he wanted to do. He made his own choices. Was he an addict? We don't know. If he was, did he have a hard time coming to terms with it and seeking help? We don't know.

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We are all heartbroken and sad that he's gone, but he's in God's hands now.