could ya hook me up with a link to that jill interview? i'd love to hear it..
Thanks.
laurarichardson said:
So I think he more than made up for it later. According to Jill the people in the audience were white people wearing polyester suits. I doubt anything he did was going was to win that crowd over. said: [Edited 11/7/16 12:32pm]
Prince got the chance to do alot of music with people he himself admired (Miles Davis,Mavis Staples,George Clinton,Chaka Khan,Ron wood) Its always been known of his James Brown influence I've always wondered why they both didn't collaborate before JB passed away. any thoughts or anyone else that would've liked to have heard a prince/James Brown track? [Edited 11/6/16 17:33pm][Edited 11/6/16 17:34pm]
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For anyone who has listened to pretty much any of the records JB made during the last... oh 25 years of his life... I can't imagine such a collaboration being anything more than a "history-making match up" - but an artistic trainwreck.
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And I say that will all due love, respect, and admiration for the James Brown - an innovator whose overall artistic and cultural impact exceeded Prince's.
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By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Prince got the chance to do alot of music with people he himself admired (Miles Davis,Mavis Staples,George Clinton,Chaka Khan,Ron wood) Its always been known of his James Brown influence I've always wondered why they both didn't collaborate before JB passed away. any thoughts or anyone else that would've liked to have heard a prince/James Brown track? [Edited 11/6/16 17:33pm][Edited 11/6/16 17:34pm]
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For anyone who has listened to pretty much any of the records JB made during the last... oh 25 years of his life... I can't imagine such a collaboration being anything more than a "history-making match up" - but an artistic trainwreck.
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And I say that will all due love, respect, and admiration for the James Brown - an innovator whose overall artistic and cultural impact exceeded Prince's.
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By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Oh I beg to differ. Saw James Brown live at the old Lone Star in NYC in the 80s. Band was tight. He danced on the bar in a blue jumpsuit and KILLED.
While on the tour at Paisley Park we went into one of Prince's studios/sound rooms and the guide told us James Brown recorded there (at Paisley Park). I bet the recordings are in the vault. It's crazy about how much we learn & how much Prince kept private.
For anyone who has listened to pretty much any of the records JB made during the last... oh 25 years of his life... I can't imagine such a collaboration being anything more than a "history-making match up" - but an artistic trainwreck.
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And I say that will all due love, respect, and admiration for the James Brown - an innovator whose overall artistic and cultural impact exceeded Prince's.
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By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Oh I beg to differ. Saw James Brown live at the old Lone Star in NYC in the 80s. Band was tight. He danced on the bar in a blue jumpsuit and KILLED.
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You ain't differin' with nothin'!
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I loved JB in concert even in the '90s and '00s.
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But - that said - there's a BIG difference between what he was doing on the stage and what he was doing in the studio.
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Yes, he kept an immaculately polished, ultra-tight band. A band that LONGED to take their sound into the studio. But that was not JB's M.O.
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I'll give James this - "Love Overdue" - the record he released right after his prison time - was not an embarrassment. But take a listen to records like "Universal James" and "I'm Back"...
By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Even with all your fancy detailed reasons I still disagree.
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"Fancy detailed reasons," really?
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What exactly are you disagreeing with? I AGREED with you that James and his band never stopped putting on a great live show.
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Have you heard any of JB's studio recordings from the '80s onward? His voice was beyond shot. That's not really a point of agreement or disagreement - just the way it was.
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What good couldn't come from that pairing?
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Besides, two control freaks in the same studio at the same time - maybe the studio banter would've been entertaining at least.
Prince got the chance to do alot of music with people he himself admired (Miles Davis,Mavis Staples,George Clinton,Chaka Khan,Ron wood) Its always been known of his James Brown influence I've always wondered why they both didn't collaborate before JB passed away. any thoughts or anyone else that would've liked to have heard a prince/James Brown track? [Edited 11/6/16 17:33pm][Edited 11/6/16 17:34pm]
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For anyone who has listened to pretty much any of the records JB made during the last... oh 25 years of his life... I can't imagine such a collaboration being anything more than a "history-making match up" - but an artistic trainwreck.
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And I say that will all due love, respect, and admiration for the James Brown - an innovator whose overall artistic and cultural impact exceeded Prince's.
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By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Such Bull I saw James Brown in Washington D.C in 1985. He kicked ass.
By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Even with all your fancy detailed reasons I still disagree.
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"Fancy detailed reasons," really?
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What exactly are you disagreeing with? I AGREED with you that James and his band never stopped putting on a great live show.
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Have you heard any of JB's studio recordings from the '80s onward? His voice was beyond shot. That's not really a point of agreement or disagreement - just the way it was.
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What good couldn't come from that pairing?
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Besides, two control freaks in the same studio at the same time - maybe the studio banter would've been entertaining at least.
For anyone who has listened to pretty much any of the records JB made during the last... oh 25 years of his life... I can't imagine such a collaboration being anything more than a "history-making match up" - but an artistic trainwreck.
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And I say that will all due love, respect, and admiration for the James Brown - an innovator whose overall artistic and cultural impact exceeded Prince's.
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By the '80s, JB was such a parody of himself, the window for meaningful collaboration to occur had long since closed.
Such Bull I saw James Brown in Washington D.C in 1985. He kicked ass.
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um... READING SKILLS, anyone?? (since you're so fond of throwing that around)
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Again, I'm not denying the lasting quality of James Brown's live performance abilities.
CAL3 said: Such Bull I saw James Brown in Washington D.C in 1985. He kicked ass.
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um... READING SKILLS, anyone?? (since you're so fond of throwing that around)
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Again, I'm not denying the lasting quality of James Brown's live performance abilities.
My point is he was not parody of himself by the 80s. He even had a few RnB hits in the 80s before he went to shooting at people. My point his you state things as facts when they are really your opinion.
um... READING SKILLS, anyone?? (since you're so fond of throwing that around)
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Again, I'm not denying the lasting quality of James Brown's live performance abilities.
My point is he was not parody of himself by the 80s. He even had a few RnB hits in the 80s before he went to shooting at people. My point his you state things as facts when they are really your opinion.
Which you seem to think means something.
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With all due respect - YOU of all people should not be chastising someone for stating things as fact when they are your opinions. You should be appointed Queen of that particular practice.
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Oh and by the way - yes, it IS a fact that he had become a self-parody by the '80s.
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Yeah, he charted some singles - in fact he had one of his biggest hits ("Living in America") but how does that support your assertion that he wasn't a self-parody? His relevancy as an artist was in the past and he willfully become an oldies act, gamely trying to replicate the vocals and dance moves of his glory years. His shows remained fun - and that was largely thanks to a razor-sharp band.
My point is he was not parody of himself by the 80s. He even had a few RnB hits in the 80s before he went to shooting at people. My point his you state things as facts when they are really your opinion.
Which you seem to think means something.
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With all due respect - YOU of all people should not be chastising someone for stating things as fact when they are your opinions. You should be appointed Queen of that particular practice.
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Oh and by the way - yes, it IS a fact that he had become a self-parody by the '80s.
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Yeah, he charted some singles - in fact he had one of his biggest hits ("Living in America") but how does that support your assertion that he wasn't a self-parody? His relevancy as an artist was in the past and he willfully become an oldies act, gamely trying to replicate the vocals and dance moves of his glory years. His shows remained fun - and that was largely thanks to a razor-sharp band.
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Got anything to rebut that with?
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Didn't think so.
I back up my statements with facts you don't. James Brown had a really good hit record called
"Static" that was not a parody of anything. If he had recorded "Possessed " with the live arrangement Prince used it would have done just as well as "Static" as it was taking the old sound and rebooting. Full Force just beat Prince to the punch. I saw him perform with my own eyes with hundreds of other people at a free show with no one running away in fear of the parody. That my friend is a fact.
Now come back with something smart ass and irrelevant as you always do. I honestly feel that some people on this board need to get a damm life.
Take your expert opinion to someone who is interested.
With all due respect - YOU of all people should not be chastising someone for stating things as fact when they are your opinions. You should be appointed Queen of that particular practice.
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Oh and by the way - yes, it IS a fact that he had become a self-parody by the '80s.
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Yeah, he charted some singles - in fact he had one of his biggest hits ("Living in America") but how does that support your assertion that he wasn't a self-parody? His relevancy as an artist was in the past and he willfully become an oldies act, gamely trying to replicate the vocals and dance moves of his glory years. His shows remained fun - and that was largely thanks to a razor-sharp band.
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Got anything to rebut that with?
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Didn't think so.
I back up my statements with facts you don't. James Brown had a really good hit record called
"Static" that was not a parody of anything. If he had recorded "Possessed " with the live arrangement Prince used it would have done just as well as "Static" as it was taking the old sound and rebooting. Full Force just beat Prince to the punch. I saw him perform with my own eyes with hundreds of other people at a free show with no one running away in fear of the parody. That my friend is a fact.
Now come back with something smart ass and irrelevant as you always do. I honestly feel that some people on this board need to get a damm life.
Take your expert opinion to someone who is interested.
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Have I said ONE WORD against his LIVE performances? No.
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"Static" was an embarrassment. Yes that's my opinion. To any adult reader, that should be clear, because things like that cannot be proven. Sorry that some of my opinions challenge your own opinions on things - but that, in my opinion (again!), is the basis for meaningful discussion.
I back up my statements with facts you don't. James Brown had a really good hit record called
"Static" that was not a parody of anything. If he had recorded "Possessed " with the live arrangement Prince used it would have done just as well as "Static" as it was taking the old sound and rebooting. Full Force just beat Prince to the punch. I saw him perform with my own eyes with hundreds of other people at a free show with no one running away in fear of the parody. That my friend is a fact.
Now come back with something smart ass and irrelevant as you always do. I honestly feel that some people on this board need to get a damm life.
Take your expert opinion to someone who is interested.
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Have I said ONE WORD against his LIVE performances? No.
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"Static" was an embarrassment. Yes that's my opinion. To any adult reader, that should be clear, because things like that cannot be proven. Sorry that some of my opinions challenge your own opinions on things - but that, in my opinion (again!), is the basis for meaningful discussion.
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Can I get an "amen" from someone??
No you will get a go on with your life or find one. Static was actually a good RnB hit for James but if you prefer "Living In America " who am I to judge your taste in RnB music. I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
Have I said ONE WORD against his LIVE performances? No.
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"Static" was an embarrassment. Yes that's my opinion. To any adult reader, that should be clear, because things like that cannot be proven. Sorry that some of my opinions challenge your own opinions on things - but that, in my opinion (again!), is the basis for meaningful discussion.
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Can I get an "amen" from someone??
No you will get a go on with your life or find one. Static was actually a good RnB hit for James but if you prefer "Living In America " who am I to judge your taste in RnB music. I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
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No you will get a go on with your life or find one..
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Right - because it's FINE AND DANDY for you to post on these forums, but if you happen to disagree with somoene - then they need to 'get a life.' Nice!
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if you prefer "Living In America "
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Who said that??? Again, because you're so fond lashing out at other's with this one - work on your reading skills. I mentioned it was hit. It was no more or less a quality piece of work than "Static."
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I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
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Insult away - I'll continue to take the high road and avoid such comments.
Have I said ONE WORD against his LIVE performances? No.
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"Static" was an embarrassment. Yes that's my opinion. To any adult reader, that should be clear, because things like that cannot be proven. Sorry that some of my opinions challenge your own opinions on things - but that, in my opinion (again!), is the basis for meaningful discussion.
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Can I get an "amen" from someone??
No you will get a go on with your life or find one. Static was actually a good RnB hit for James but if you prefer "Living In America " who am I to judge your taste in RnB music. I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
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No you will get a go on with your life or find one..
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Right - because it's FINE AND DANDY for you to post on these forums, but if you happen to disagree with somoene - then they need to 'get a life.' Nice!
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if you prefer "Living In America "
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Who said that??? Again, because you're so fond lashing out at other's with this one - work on your reading skills. I mentioned it was hit. It was no more or less a quality piece of work than "Static."
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I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
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Insult away - I'll continue to take the high road and avoid such comments.
Does this mean I don't have to hear from you anymore?
Always knowing as a Prince fan that James Brown was a major influence on Prince I took a kinda liking to JB and even love some of his tracks. Being 13 in 1983 his music was from my folks generation and watching him live was as it's been put a "parody".He was no doubt a icon,legend,funky and all that,but to a hip hop and pop audience in the 80's JB came off as slightly comical.Possessed (Chocolate fits Morris perfect)was the perfect song for JB although its cemented in my head now with Prince's vocals I can only imagine how perfect James would have sounded singing it.Now knowing JB recorded at Paisley reveals how much of the behind the scenes activities we really don't know about Prince.
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To relate the two shows a ignorance in music specifically Soul music:( and a disrespect for the man that helped influence the person this site is about. [Edited 11/8/16 19:17pm]
No you will get a go on with your life or find one..
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Right - because it's FINE AND DANDY for you to post on these forums, but if you happen to disagree with somoene - then they need to 'get a life.' Nice!
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if you prefer "Living In America "
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Who said that??? Again, because you're so fond lashing out at other's with this one - work on your reading skills. I mentioned it was hit. It was no more or less a quality piece of work than "Static."
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I know actually having any sense of rhythm is a challenge for many people.
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Insult away - I'll continue to take the high road and avoid such comments.
Does this mean I don't have to hear from you anymore?
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You can't handle disagreement.
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This thread got derailed by you, when you called my comments "bull" - all while misunderstanding the point I was making.
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Obviously you have little grasp of the later stages of James Brown's career. Otherwise you wouldn't have tried to fight me about valid observations.
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A little advice - expand your knowledge of the great James Brown by listening to his '80s-and-beyond albums and you might have a better understanding.
I thought by the thread title it was to do with the God Father movies
It's a good guess considering the origin of the name "Appolonia" for Patricia Kotero in Prince lore, as well as his samples from the movie on Madhouse 8.
Actually it was madhouse 16. . But I don't blame you for thinking about the 8 album. It was a class above the 16 album. That shit stayed in my car stereo for 2 or 3 months. I couldn't let it go. .
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