laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

Astasheiks said:

Wonder how Warner Bros. feel about this, jeejee?

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Almost a quarter of a century after Prince started his whining, and yet Prince famz still don't know the difference between a publishing deal and a record deal.

jaawwnn said:

I don't know if one major is much different than another at this point, although anecdotally i'd say Universal tend to do good reissues compared to, say, Sony.

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THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

TrivialPursuit said:

Couple of interesting notes:

When Time Warner was splitting itself back up from Time Warner Music, Prince was with UMG for 3121.

UMG eventually bought EMI, which Prince used to release Emancipation in 1996.

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You are confusing publishing companies and record companies.

bonatoc said:

Hopefully some other basis, like proper cataloguing and mastering, went into the negotiation.

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THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT.

bonatoc said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't know if one major is much different than another at this point, although anecdotally i'd say Universal tend to do good reissues compared to, say, Sony.

I'm just glad they have moved forward with this, another step closer to vault songs getting a release.

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What about Columbia? Dylan's Bootleg series...
It mostly boils down to the head of the (sub-)label.
WBR and Rhino, same deal. Rhino is very good,
but it belongs to the Warner Group.

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This is about PUBLISHING. Nothing to do with remasters etc.

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Reading the Billboard article about the publishing deal this morning Universal is saying the world will now have access to Prince's music so no more exclusivity with just Tidal however other streaming services don't payout as much and Universal will get money from the streaming revenues. I think the family is upset about this and may have wanted to stick with Tidal and self administer the rights they way Prince was doing. Who knows once the family takes over they may get their way down the road.

It's possible that they can negotiate a better deal. Anyway I hope his music comes to other platforms. That way a whole new generation of potential fans can experience his music. I would assume they can stipulate that free (ad-supported) services don't get his music. I think we need to disabuse ourselves of the notion that every business decision Prince made in his career was the right one. He went nearly 20 years without a major label and pretty much all of that music isn't available anywhere but Tidal. How many people are missing out on great music because of how stingy he was with distribution? Also it was reported that WB wanted to release the deluxe PR album before the HnR albums as they thought it would generate buzz/interest in Prince again which might make people more likely to check out his new work. Prince said no. IMO WB wasn't always wrong and it was his time with WB that allowed him to be without a major label for 20 years. [Edited 11/3/16 4:42am]

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Presence on streaming platforms is handled by record companies, NOT by publishing companies.

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http://www.techtimes.com/...labels.htm

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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TrivialPursuit said:

Noodled24 said:

So does this mean NPGPublishing no longer exists?

Don't confuse two different things. "publishing" is probably throwing folks off. The line says, "responsibility for servicing and administering Prince’s catalogue, working closely with Prince’s estate to find new outlets for his music."

NPG Publishing is who owns the songs, which presumably belongs to the estate itself now. UMG will handle the compiling and distribution and promotion of things.

I don't mind this arrangement. I think it'll do well, and he's done business with Universal before with 3121.

Couple of interesting notes:

When Time Warner was splitting itself back up from Time Warner Music, Prince was with UMG for 3121.

UMG eventually bought EMI, which Prince used to release Emancipation in 1996.

The LLC thread mentions two entities NPG Music & NPG Music Publishing.

If UMPG is taking over publishing side of things. What's left for NPG-MP? (I get NPG Music still owns the copyright...

Noodled24 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Don't confuse two different things. "publishing" is probably throwing folks off. The line says, "responsibility for servicing and administering Prince’s catalogue, working closely with Prince’s estate to find new outlets for his music."

NPG Publishing is who owns the songs, which presumably belongs to the estate itself now. UMG will handle the compiling and distribution and promotion of things.

I don't mind this arrangement. I think it'll do well, and he's done business with Universal before with 3121.

Couple of interesting notes:

When Time Warner was splitting itself back up from Time Warner Music, Prince was with UMG for 3121.

UMG eventually bought EMI, which Prince used to release Emancipation in 1996.

The LLC thread mentions two entities NPG Music & NPG Music Publishing.

If UMPG is taking over publishing side of things. What's left for NPG-MP? (I get NPG Music still owns the copyright...

Good question

BartVanHemelen said:

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

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honer said:

BartVanHemelen said:

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

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I have been complaining about Prince famz' ignorance WRT this subject for OVER TWENTY YEARS. Just look at this thread: virtually every post is WRONG about this.

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This happens EVERY BLOODY TIME the subject of publishing is brought up.

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Yet here you are claiming I'm the bad guy and I'm overreacting.

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

[Edited 11/3/16 6:37am]

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I have been complaining about Prince famz' ignorance WRT this subject for OVER TWENTY YEARS. Just look at this thread: virtually every post is WRONG about this.

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This happens EVERY BLOODY TIME the subject of publishing is brought up.

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Yet here you are claiming I'm the bad guy and I'm overreacting.

Hard to tell if you're serious or taking the piss. Either way you're becoming a parody account

BartVanHemelen said:

Before adding yet more noise to this thread, READ THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/...lar_music)

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And also https://tuneteams.com/blo...planation/

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And also http://www.digitalmusicne...ublishing/

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And also http://www.soundonsound.c...publishing

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thanks BVH.

BartVanHemelen said:

rogifan said:

But it's the Estate that will decide whether his music is available on platforms besides Tidal. My argument is it should be. Apparently PRNFamily thinks otherwise.

There is a good argument for creating artificial scarcity in Prince's music. It keeps it valuable i.e. if you want his music you have to buy the album or sign up to tidal.

If all his music was avaiable on every platform people don't have to buy CDs. They can listen to an entire album on spotify & the family get about 5 cents. (Given streaming = fractions of a cent per stream). In terms of streaming Tidal is the lesser of several evils. Simply because they pay more per stream.

BartVanHemelen said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said: It's possible that they can negotiate a better deal. Anyway I hope his music comes to other platforms. That way a whole new generation of potential fans can experience his music. I would assume they can stipulate that free (ad-supported) services don't get his music. I think we need to disabuse ourselves of the notion that every business decision Prince made in his career was the right one. He went nearly 20 years without a major label and pretty much all of that music isn't available anywhere but Tidal. How many people are missing out on great music because of how stingy he was with distribution? Also it was reported that WB wanted to release the deluxe PR album before the HnR albums as they thought it would generate buzz/interest in Prince again which might make people more likely to check out his new work. Prince said no. IMO WB wasn't always wrong and it was his time with WB that allowed him to be without a major label for 20 years. [Edited 11/3/16 4:42am]

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Presence on streaming platforms is handled by record companies, NOT by publishing companies.

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http://www.techtimes.com/...labels.htm

I am only re-stating what the press release from Universal stated. They are the ones saying his music will heard all over the world. Universal is also runs record lables. The family is upset about some aspect of this deal.

margi said:

Knowledge of the LLC would have remained hidden if documents had not been presented in court by the person claiming Power of Attorney over Prince music.It has been discussed that family members as shareholders in the LLC is improbable due to tax issues. I would hope that Prince in his wisdom, made his numerous charities and projects beneficiaries of the LLC. That way his philantrophy and generosity would be ongoing. Unless the Manager of the LLC wanted to name the shareholders and or beneficiaries, it is my understanding that we will never know. I do not believe that Prince intended to give his family his total wealth to the exclusion of his projects and charities. A Will would have been drawn up if that was his intention. I want to believe the larger portion and ongoing income generated from his music will continue supporting his philantrophy for many decades to come. What a wonderful legacy that would be.

Yes, the LLC upon his death could have moved assets to a charity or trust. We may never know what is really going on with the LLC since all financial transactions have been sealed.

BartVanHemelen said:

honer said:

7 replys/moans are you sure you've gone over this closely enough? Surely you can squeeze in an 8th.

[Edited 11/3/16 6:37am]

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I have been complaining about Prince famz' ignorance WRT this subject for OVER TWENTY YEARS. Just look at this thread: virtually every post is WRONG about this.

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This happens EVERY BLOODY TIME the subject of publishing is brought up.

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Yet here you are claiming I'm the bad guy and I'm overreacting.

[Snip - luv4u]

laurarichardson said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Presence on streaming platforms is handled by record companies, NOT by publishing companies.

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http://www.techtimes.com/...labels.htm

I am only re-stating what the press release from Universal stated. They are the ones saying his music will heard all over the world. Universal is also runs record lables. The family is upset about some aspect of this deal.

You're reading that incorrectly.

Noodled24 said:

rogifan said:

But it's the Estate that will decide whether his music is available on platforms besides Tidal. My argument is it should be. Apparently PRNFamily thinks otherwise.

There is a good argument for creating artificial scarcity in Prince's music. It keeps it valuable i.e. if you want his music you have to buy the album or sign up to tidal.

If all his music was avaiable on every platform people don't have to buy CDs. They can listen to an entire album on spotify & the family get about 5 cents. (Given streaming = fractions of a cent per stream). In terms of streaming Tidal is the lesser of several evils. Simply because they pay more per stream.

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No, making shit hard to get is inviting piracy. Or people just won't care.

BartVanHemelen said:

Noodled24 said:

There is a good argument for creating artificial scarcity in Prince's music. It keeps it valuable i.e. if you want his music you have to buy the album or sign up to tidal.

If all his music was avaiable on every platform people don't have to buy CDs. They can listen to an entire album on spotify & the family get about 5 cents. (Given streaming = fractions of a cent per stream). In terms of streaming Tidal is the lesser of several evils. Simply because they pay more per stream.

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No, making shit hard to get is inviting piracy. Or people just won't care.

Releasing anything is inviting piracy.

What does the estate have to gain by putting Prince's catalog on Spotify? A fan would need to listen to a song hundreds of times before the estate got $1

They'd need a MILLION streams to make about $5,000.

If they sold 5,000 albums at £10 a pop = $50,000

Noodled24 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, making shit hard to get is inviting piracy. Or people just won't care.

Releasing anything is inviting piracy.

What does the estate have to gain by putting Prince's catalog on Spotify? A fan would need to listen to a song hundreds of times before the estate got $1

They'd need a MILLION streams to make about $5,000.

If they sold 5,000 albums at £10 a pop = $50,000

This is true. The estate needs money and the family does not have Prince's touring money anymore. I am not sure why people think 5k is better than 50k. Prince himself pointed this out a zillion times but everyone had a problem with him saying it. Now other artist are starting to speak out about it and it is okay.

laurarichardson said:

Yes, the LLC upon his death could have moved assets to a charity or trust. We may never know what is really going on with the LLC since all financial transactions have been sealed.

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We may never know what is really going on...

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THIS admission from a person who stated whatever is "in darkness eventually comes into the light"...

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, it would be good because more people will hear the music but you realize that the estate will be lucky if they get half a penny a stream. Maybe even less once Universal get their cut. I just wish Prince had put it all on Tidal and lived to get some money out it. He really moved so slow in the last two years of his life with some of the things he could have been doing with Tidal. I am still puzzled by this. He could have done live concerts and put all the unreleashed stuff on Tidal two years ago.

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Something is better than nothing though. People that are using other services aren't going to go to Tidal just to get Prince's music.

I was using Spotify and switched to Tidal purely for Prince's music and nothing else. If Tidal lose the rights to stream Prince's music I will cancel my subscription.

^ I'm not saying Tidal is the solution, but of all the shitty streaming rates, Tidal pays the most, and were willing to make Prince homepage news with the Purple Pick each week.

There is no reason his albums shouldn't be in iTunes too. Since they're basically selling "digital CDs".

Noodled24 said:

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, the LLC upon his death could have moved assets to a charity or trust. We may never know what is really going on with the LLC since all financial transactions have been sealed.

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We may never know what is really going on...

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THIS admission from a person who stated whatever is "in darkness eventually comes into the light"...

Isn't that the truth? We are browbeating each other over information none of us is privy to. I have to say I hope ... I HOPE ... Prince is not merchandised within an inch of his life over the coming years. I saw a Michael Jackson shower curtain on line this morning. Please let us not see Prince on bathroom accessories down the road.