one minute he "seemed" fine, then he's gone...it just seems so strange. I know we can't reverse time but i can't stop to wonder if he was fighting to stay alive or accept it? He even emphasized "Self-preservation" in few P&M shows...

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Missmusicluver72 said:

heathilly said:

Prince couldve been a funtioning addict I know people hate to hear the word addict and prince but he had been on pain killers for some years thats a fact. The fact he was taking off brand street drug is clear that he was addicted to painkkillers and had to keep uping the drugs to get relief because his body was getting used to it.

Has that been proven already? Last I heard, they were still investigating if the Fentanyl was laced with something that may have been off brand and he could've been taking it without even knowing that.

They already concluded he died from a fentanyl over dose and the fact was he was hiding his addiction with him hiding these off brand street drugs in a bottle of tylenol speaks to his distrust and secrecy he kept this from everyone. And in my opinion its in in line with his personality very headstrong willing things into being by just his actions and his actions alone.

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Jon1967 said:

Why arent ppl being sued for prescribing things ?

Because the drugs that killed him were not prescribed, they were illegally obtained. In fact, some of the drugs found looked like vicodin but contained fentanyl. Prince was using (or at least possessed), bootleg street drugs meant to look like vicodin. If he took those particular pills he may not have even known what they were. I've been reading some things recently about street labs who make this shit and disguise it to look like something legit. You don't get a prescription for bootleg street drugs, so that's why no one is in trouble as far a I can see.

purplecandy said:

Agreed someone as a great as p didn't deserve the way he left. I do wish he would have been with at least one person. Why would his associates leave him all alone if they knew about the pills...

Why is it that some people can't accept that Prince may not have wanted anyone there that night? We simply do not know how all of this went down.

Jon1967 said:

Why arent ppl being sued for prescribing things ?

Because no one prescribed the fentanyl. It was illegally obtained.

Missmusicluver72 said:

Jon1967 said:

If you od from a street drug isnt a hospital supposed to contact authoritys,make some serious inquirys. You don't get to just walk out do you? Yes six months later we're still talking about it cuz it needs to be talked about I'll get over it when I'll get over it.

I don't think that hospitals are required to report you if you OD. I know that years ago, like in the 50's and 60's, they did report you, and people actually got sent to jail for ODing. Authorities wised up and realized that sending people to jail for a drug problem did not benefit anyone.

tmo1965 said:

Everyone dies alone. You can be surrounded by people, but that last step over the threshold is all (and only) yours.

EmmaMcG said:

LuxLove said:

There are many things about his death that I struggle with but I never feel angry that he kept whatever was going on with him private. The whole world saw what Amy Winehouse was going through and it made no difference in her situation. I don't believe people around him didn't know - just not all those who act like they were super close

The difference between Prince and Amy Winehouse is that she was a junkie. Prince died from an accidental overdose of pain medication. It could happen to anyone. There's no record in any released hospital documents that he had any underlying health concerns. No cancer, aids or anything else. He had a bad hip. He took medication to ease the pain. That's it. He was probably on meds for the last few years. The problem is, and I know from experience, is that if you're taking these types of painkillers long enough, they get less and less effective. Which can lead to you taking more than what's prescribed to ease the pain. That's what more than likely happened on the plane. It obviously shook him up enough to contact that doctor who was due to come to Paisley Park the morning they found Prince's body. Unfortunately, in the meantime, Prince overdosed again and died. There's no big conspiracy or cover up. A man died from an accidental overdose. End of story. I understand a lot of us are huge fans but if his death is still troubling you to this degree 6 months later, then you need help. Just let the man rest and enjoy the music he left behind. That's his true legacy.

Medical records that contain his other health information aren't going to be released, unless someone leaks them or blabs info. What officially, ultimately caused Prince's death was a drug overdose, like you said -- and so THAT was indeed released in official documents (like the M.E.'s report) but any other health concerns or illnesses he had, terminal or otherwise, arent going to be officially released due to medical record privacy laws, so you can't really point to the absence of that information being out there as being definitive proof that he did not have other illnesse/s. I think Tyka's remark about 'knowing he had two years' or whatever exact quote that was, is pretty telling, and in my opinion, his appearance and his being severely anemic along with his weight loss and not being able to eat (even his hair, which I'm sorry, I believe was a wig, at least at the end) makes me strongly suspect he had cancer and was undergoing some kind of treatment for that.

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I definitely agree with you that there isn't some big murder conspiracy involved here and I wish that theory would stop.

FUNKNROLL said:

I said what I said because I've read so many times on here that Prince should've gone public with his 'problem'. It's a joke - if that had happened he would've been dismissed I think, the love was lacking for him most of the time when he was alive. Anyway in truth I can't talk about it anymore, it's getting me nowhere still hurts & makes zero sense.

purplerabbithole said:

...that he was alone. I guess I obsess over his associates' reactions to his death, because I can't fathom anyone whose main job it is to give pleasure through music ever deserving to die alone. I just hope had these people known about what he was suffering from, that they would have tried to be there for him. Sadly, it might be his fault that he was alone--like he didn't trust that older associates could forgive him for past grievances or newer associates could forgive him for not being as strong as he wanted them to think he was.

My apologies for being bitchy towards his associates this week. But sometimes it feels like despite all the tributes and nice words in his direction that he was still one of the loneliest people on the planet because really, who suffers from drug addiction almost completely alone and in complete silence?

Sorry for the depressing post. I will try to decrease the sad or cynical posts I create from this point on.

If it can make you feel any better, I'd rather die alone. Of course I haven't been there and I may not feel that way when the day comes. But as of now, I'd rather spend this moment with myself, preserve my dignity and not put that burden unto others. Maybe Prince didn't feel that way. Maybe he did. My point, I guess, being that dying alone isn't necessarily a horrible thing for everyone even if it would be for you, which is perfectly understable. We don't know what Prince would have prefered but he was a very proud man: maybe it was better like this.

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Try and think of something else because anyway there is nothing for any of us that can be done about past events, so no need to torture ourselves. Loss is a terrible feeling but our lives must go on, for we are the living.

BillieBalloon said:

Why would his hair be a wig? With chemo you lose your eyebrows and eyelashes too. Prince still had facial hair right up to the end. Of course we don't know if he had cancer or not. What I mean is if you lose the hair on your head you lose the rest too.

First of all, let me clarify for those that don't understand: it's MY OPINION ONLY that Prince MIGHT HAVE HAD cancer, and I stated why I thought that could be a possiblity. I, unlike certain others here, don't "KNOW" anything about his medical condition beyond what has been put forth publicly -- I'm just someone whose family has worked in the medical field and someone who has certain medical conditions myself that make me either more aware of certain things or have at least a little bit of knowledge about some medical issues than the average person might be aware of. So please don't anybody start acting like I'm claiming something to be true for sure, i.e. my comment about his hair possibly being a wig. Maybe it wasn't. It's my opinion though that it very well could have been and I stated previously why I think that. (as for the facial hair, you can purchase very realistic eyebrows and eyelashes these days so his having facial hair doesn't signify with certainty, for me, that he wasn't undergoing treatment. lastly, there are all types of chemo for all types of cancers -- you don't ALWAYS lose ALL your hair. I know this for A FACT.

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I hesitated including my comment about his hair because I knew this discussion would get sidetracked by that, and I apologize for that and hope this thread wont get all derailed by it, but I decided to include my thought re: his hair because it was another reason I personally feel he might have had cancer. That's all.

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and thoughts. I stated mine. I respect yours and everyone else's and, in the end, like you said none of us know anything for sure so this is all only speculation.

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I guess I'm completely confused as to why the inner circle or family doesn't just come forward and say "Ok....this is what happened". (if they truly know) We know there was a drug overdose obviously. But what are they afraid to talk about? Say he did have cancer......and they told the public that...no one would think less of him!!! In fact, a lot of people would commend him on how strong he was at carrying on and keeping things going. And what if it wasn't cancer..what if he'd just been taking the pain meds (for legit pain) for so long....that his family knew, his days were numbered. So even if they said, "he was in horrible pain for years and years and he wanted to stay strong for the fans. It was the wrong way to go about handling it, but he tried his hardest to stay strong"....I don't think anyone would put that down???? So I guess, to me......its simple. They know people want answers. And they can't/won't give them. So whatever ELSE was going on.....is something that might cast him in a bad light. Because honestly, they could shut down all this talk by just saying.."he had cancer"..."he was in pain"...."he had liver problems".... or whatever it was. So IF there was another problem, they're keeping quiet for a reason....

databank said:

If it can make you feel any better, I'd rather die alone. Of course I haven't been there and I may not feel that way when the day comes. But as of now, I'd rather spend this moment with myself, preserve my dignity and not put that burden unto others. Maybe Prince didn't feel that way. Maybe he did. My point, I guess, being that dying alone isn't necessarily a horrible thing for everyone even if it would be for you, which is perfectly understable. We don't know what Prince would have prefered but he was a very proud man: maybe it was better like this.

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Try and think of something else because anyway there is nothing for any of us that can be done about past events, so no need to torture ourselves. Loss is a terrible feeling but our lives must go on, for we are the living.

Lovely post.

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Re: dying alone. I am conflicted about that myself for when my time comes because I see both sides of it - I think it sounds beautiful when a family is surrounding a loved one at that moment but I also understand that others would prefer to leave this world alone, for whatever varied reasons. My mother died in the hospital, the night before she was supposed to get to go home into hospice care. So while we knew her time was near, we didn't expect her passing that night. No family was there, just the nurses. I was so upset by that thought I don't think I could have cried harder if I'd tried; I felt it was so wrong that she passed with no family near her. But then in talking to my sister, she said something to me that made me feel better: she said Mom wouldn't have wanted us to see her at that moment, like that, and to cause the extra pain of having that image of her in our minds forever. The more I thought about it, and knowing my mom and our family dynamics, it made sense to me. My mom was a strong woman, with strong faith in God. She'd told me many times, even before she became ill and we'd have talks about God and death and what comes after, that she believed there was more beyond this life and she wasn't afraid to die because what comes next would be beautiful.

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All this to say, what you wrote in your comment hit home for me and I appreciated what you said. Thank you again for your compassionate post; I hope others find comfort in it also regarding Prince, and moving forward past what's happened.

Genesia said:

Everyone dies alone. You can be surrounded by people, but that last step over the threshold is all (and only) yours.

Well it's certainly better to depart holding someone dear's hand
than alone in a friggin' elevator, if you ask me.

bonatoc said:

Genesia said:

Everyone dies alone. You can be surrounded by people, but that last step over the threshold is all (and only) yours.

Well it's certainly better to depart holding someone dear's hand
than alone in a friggin' elevator, if you ask me.

I was trying to be comforting - but okay.

You want to know what I really think? I think that (assuming the reports of inside-out and backwards clothing are true) Prince probably spent his final moments in terror - knowing he'd made a horrible mistake and that he was finished.

Is that more to your liking? Do you feel better now?

^ Well, you have a way to comfort that's a bit depressing.
Sorry I misunderstood, don't get all aggressive.

If that's what you really think, I'm not that far.
It was not a nice way to go, if there is one.
I can understand the ones who can't get over it.

To those who perpetually say "That's the way it happened, just let it go" :
It's important for them to tolerate the need for some
to put images on it, to have a clearer view on how things happened.
This is not morbid, that is the way most relatives can cope with the death of a close one.
Shrinks do this pretty often, especially for plane crashes, when there is no body to be found.
Or when terrorists strike.

When a death happens suddenly and for no apparent reason,
or when it seems way too unfair (the absence of Prince's health monitoring by its entourage in its last week is a fair ground for thinking so), they need to talk, they need to express themselves.
I would like this "Reality Principle" talk not to be constantly
thrown in the faces of the ones who still mourn and come here for support.

Others think that 6 months is a darn long time for an investigation
about a public figure. It looks like no one cares anymore,
and I support their will to bump the subject up.
Speaking of will... One could also suspect it's been flushed down a toilet.
What if Prince had decide to give it all to charities, and someone didn't like it?

You see, there are no limits to one's imagination.
It's very well to adopt a "C'est la vie" attitude in the face of death,
but not everyone is wired the same.
Especially when a death looks lonely, incomprehensible, and avoidable.

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ksl1974 said:

I guess I'm completely confused as to why the inner circle or family doesn't just come forward and say "Ok....this is what happened". (if they truly know) We know there was a drug overdose obviously. But what are they afraid to talk about? Say he did have cancer......and they told the public that...no one would think less of him!!! In fact, a lot of people would commend him on how strong he was at carrying on and keeping things going. And what if it wasn't cancer..what if he'd just been taking the pain meds (for legit pain) for so long....that his family knew, his days were numbered. So even if they said, "he was in horrible pain for years and years and he wanted to stay strong for the fans. It was the wrong way to go about handling it, but he tried his hardest to stay strong"....I don't think anyone would put that down???? So I guess, to me......its simple. They know people want answers. And they can't/won't give them. So whatever ELSE was going on.....is something that might cast him in a bad light. Because honestly, they could shut down all this talk by just saying.."he had cancer"..."he was in pain"...."he had liver problems".... or whatever it was. So IF there was another problem, they're keeping quiet for a reason....

i've been saying this since june. why is it preferable to let people think the worst.

wavesofbliss said:

ksl1974 said:

I guess I'm completely confused as to why the inner circle or family doesn't just come forward and say "Ok....this is what happened". (if they truly know) We know there was a drug overdose obviously. But what are they afraid to talk about? Say he did have cancer......and they told the public that...no one would think less of him!!! In fact, a lot of people would commend him on how strong he was at carrying on and keeping things going. And what if it wasn't cancer..what if he'd just been taking the pain meds (for legit pain) for so long....that his family knew, his days were numbered. So even if they said, "he was in horrible pain for years and years and he wanted to stay strong for the fans. It was the wrong way to go about handling it, but he tried his hardest to stay strong"....I don't think anyone would put that down???? So I guess, to me......its simple. They know people want answers. And they can't/won't give them. So whatever ELSE was going on.....is something that might cast him in a bad light. Because honestly, they could shut down all this talk by just saying.."he had cancer"..."he was in pain"...."he had liver problems".... or whatever it was. So IF there was another problem, they're keeping quiet for a reason....

i've been saying this since june. why is it preferable to let people think the worst.

Yes... Exactly!! A lot of his friends closest to him have been going on and on about how charitable he was. How he had a huge heart. How he would donate and people would have no idea that it wast him that gave the money! Even Van Jones said, Prince would never let this be talked about, but Van said "he's gone now, so it feels good to let people know what a kind and giving person he was...we can finally speak". So they can talk about that stuff, but why can't they put speculation to rest?? They want him to be well thought of. So why let all the rumors swirll.....when they could be shut down with just a few statements from friends or family? I really feel there is something they don't want revealed. We already know the pain killer addiction. So that's not it.

BillieBalloon said:

All I said was if the hair on his head had fallen out so would his facial hair have. As for the realistic eyebrows and lashes you can purchase I'm sure there are. Was Prince wearing them? Who knows, It didn't look like it, I mean you can still tell. Also, I know there are cancer drugs, more modern ones, that don't target all the cells in the body, so your hair remains. I've seen chemo up close so I still stand by my comment. If the hair on your head goes so does the rest. Over and out.

Ok, guess you have everything all figured out. Thanks!

Missmusicluver72 said:

heathilly said:

Prince couldve been a funtioning addict I know people hate to hear the word addict and prince but he had been on pain killers for some years thats a fact. The fact he was taking off brand street drug is clear that he was addicted to painkkillers and had to keep uping the drugs to get relief because his body was getting used to it.

Has that been proven already? Last I heard, they were still investigating if the Fentanyl was laced with something that may have been off brand and he could've been taking it without even knowing that.

You have that completely the wrong way round.

He was taking 'black market' combinations of acetaminophen and hydrocodone/oxycodone. These tablets were laced with fentanyl which is a far more potent opioid and that is why he died of a fentanyl overdose.

I don't belive he even knew there was fentanyl in those tabets and I think finding out who was selling counterfeit tablets laced with fentanyl will be one of the criminal investigations currently under way.

Many weeks ago I linked to several articles highlighting the fact that drug dealers were lacing several counterfiet drugs with fentanyl (including counterfeit sleeping tablets) because synthetic fentanyl is incredibly cheap - cheaper than the original ingredients in the drugs being counterfeited.

Unfortunately, illicit drugs makers don't seem to trouble themselves too much with quality control so whether the dose of fentanyl added is therapeutic or lethal seems to be of little interest.

The US CDC website has more information on the use of fentanyl to lace counterfeit drugs and the fact that several people have now died as a result.

This article is from April this year

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/v...6516e1.htm

[Edited 10/24/16 15:24pm]

LyraB said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

You have that completely the wrong way round.

He was taking 'black market' combinations of acetaminophen and hydrocodone/oxycodone. These tablets were laced with fentanyl which is a far more potent opioid and that is why he died of a fentanyl overdose.

I don't belive he even knew there was fentanyl in those tabets and I think finding out who was selling counterfeit tablets laced with fentanyl will be one of the criminal investigations currently under way.

Many weeks ago I linked to several articles highlighting the fact that drug dealers were lacing several counterfiet drugs with fentanyl (including counterfeit sleeping tablets) because synthetic fentanyl is incredibly cheap - cheaper than the original ingredients in the drugs being counterfeited.

Unfortunately, illicit drugs makers don't seem to trouble themselves too much with quality control so whether the dose of fentanyl added is therapeutic or lethal seems to be of little interest.

The US CDC website has more information on the use of fentanyl to lace counterfeit drugs and the fact that several people have now died as a result.

This article is from April this year

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/v...6516e1.htm

On March 28, 2016, two patients were evaluated at the Contra Costa Regional Medical Center emergency department (ED) in Contra Costa County, California, for nausea, vomiting, central nervous system depression, and respiratory depression, 30 minutes after ingesting what appeared to be Norco, a prescription opioid pain medication that contains acetaminophen and hydrocodone. The patients purchased the drug from a friend a few days earlier. The two cases of drug intoxication were reported to a Contra Costa County Health Department public health official who subsequently notified the California State Health Department.

Three days earlier, the Sacramento County Division of Public Health had released a Drug Overdose Health Alert regarding multiple poisoning overdoses related to ingestion of fentanyl-contaminated counterfeit Norco in Sacramento County (1). All staff members at the California Poison Control System (CPCS) were alerted to increase vigilance for potential cases

[Edited 10/24/16 15:24pm]

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know quite how to word it.