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MPLS Star Tribune Article: What should Prince's Estate do to Keep his Music Alive?

http://www.startribune.co...397828981/

[Edited 10/21/16 14:08pm]

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Reply #1 posted 10/21/16 3:26pm

rogifan

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http://www.startribune.co...397828981/




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I pretty much agree with all of these suggestions.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever đź’ś
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skywalker said:

http://www.startribune.co...397828981/




[Edited 10/21/16 14:08pm]


Excellent suggestions! If these things happened it would be like Prince heaven đź’ś
It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #3 posted 10/21/16 4:57pm

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"Don't even think about: Prince hologram tour". HAHAHA

I pretty much agree with about 98% of this.

Sorry, it's the Hodgkin's talking.
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Reply #4 posted 10/21/16 8:40pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

"Don't even think about: Prince hologram tour". HAHAHA

I pretty much agree with about 98% of this.

yeahthat and no hologram.

Keep Calm & Listen To Prince
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Reply #5 posted 10/21/16 8:51pm

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Studio albums
Do: Reissue a majority of his studio albums. We would love to see his records get the standard deluxe-edition treatment, with bonus tracks, alternate takes or demos. Musicians and studio engineers who were involved in the recording sessions should have input in the curation. Remastering should be done lightly, if at all.

I agree with inviting whomever was involved at any particular era to contribute, i.e. Susan Rogers isn't necessarily the best person for a Musicology era project for example. I also believe the vault should be properly inventoried before anything else is done, and that the list of what exists should be made available to researchers, if not the general public, for the sake of History.

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Don’t: Reissue every album. “N.E.W.S.,” for instance, can be left alone. We also don’t need to hear 14 versions of “Let’s Go Crazy” on the “Purple Rain” reissue.

That's very kind of you but some people do happen to love albums such as NEWS, which showcase a different side of P's talent and BTW happens to feature what may have been his best band at the top of its improvisation game. While some records are obviously more a priority than others, I believe the interity of the catalogue should be available in one form or another. As for the 14 versions of such or such songs that's gonna be one of the toughest aspects, see the ongoing Computer Blue controversy. On the long run I believe certain things should be released in digital form only, to reduce inistial costs and risk of losing money, for the hadcore fans only to purchase, and that includes multiple cuts of songs.

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Do: Carefully consider issuing some of the purportedly many shelved albums, weighing how complete they were and why he didn’t issue them in the first place. If he hated them, forget it. If he shelved the records simply for professional calculations — as was the case with the ultimately well-received “The Black Album” — then bring ’em on.

Those projects should even be a priority: any unreleased album compiled by prince himself should be put out. As for how he felt about them, this may be tough to assess. And I want Madrid 2 Chicago more than anything! Some such projects, such as The Flesh, could also do for a comprenhensive boxset featuring the whole set of sessions alongside the planned album.

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Don’t: Produce a posthumous duets album, like the tacky pairings forced upon Elvis, Dean Martin and Notorious B.I.G. Just no. Nor should there be a collection of “finished” unfinished recordings. As if anyone could ever be entrusted to finish what that perfectionist started.

I agree 100%

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Live collections
Do: Load us up. Seriously, let’s go crazy.
It’s bewildering that one of rock’s greatest live performers did not release more live albums in his time — probably because he always wanted us looking ahead to his next batch of songs, not reliving the oldies. Well, we don’t really have a choice now.
There’s a trove of terrific bootlegs being traded among fans, and there must also be a gold mine of concert recordings he made himself. We want early shows going back to the Capri Theater. We want a Piano and a Microphone Tour album from the weeks before his death, since it’s clear he was still captivating crowds till the end. And we want shows from every tour in between. Oh, and how about all nine of the full concerts he delivered at First Avenue?
Jimi Hendrix’s estate, representing a similarly dynamic live performer, has done a terrific job over the past decade of giving fans his landmark moments and representing different eras/tours. The Grateful Dead has also done a cool thing with its Dick’s Picks series from archivist Dick Latvala. Perhaps Questlove, Chris Rock, Maya Rudolph or other superfans could be recruited for something similar.

Yes!

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Don’t: Issue anything with subpar audio quality, even if it’s a historic moment. He always wanted to sound good.

Hopefully all the audio recordings are good enough save maybe some rehearsals. Video may be different though, what to do with those one camera videos Prince used to make before he pro-shot everything? However it is not true that Prince was always so careful about sound quality: he released and streamed a lot of things that should have sounded much better (NPGMC's Rebirth rehearsal comes to mind among others, or the lame Beautiful Experience 10th gen VHS copies that were sold by mail in 2001).

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Do: Consider live DVDs, too. The strong visual side to his shows can’t be overlooked. There’s a reason the “Sign o’ the Times” concert film is a highly sought-after relic now.

See above: few shows were multi-angle shot before the 90's. It is possible that we only have those one angle films for anything before 1982, and very few multi-angles overall before the D&P tour. Maybe some of those one-angle shows could be released digitally only, for the hardcore to enjoy? Let us also begin by releasing proper editions of all those OOP live shows, as well as the TV specials, that feature all versions of each show (there were variants on several shows such as parade of lovesexy, intended for different markets or formats).

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Reply #6 posted 10/21/16 11:56pm

Purplebflogirl

TrivialPursuit said:

"Don't even think about: Prince hologram tour". HAHAHA

I pretty much agree with about 98% of this.


I'm in about 90% agreement..
Especially live performances.
At least one from each tour.
Until the end of time
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Reply #7 posted 10/22/16 3:31am

funksterr

Live albums and videos, are a good idea. Everything else... including tributes... no ESPECIALLY tributes...just stop it please. The outtakes album is a bad idea, but I'm fine with it just because it takes some of the cocky bootleg traders down a peg or two.

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Reply #8 posted 10/22/16 4:41am

jdcxc

There needs to be a masterful genius documentary done by an Oscar-caliber director, with access to everything.

No to a Hollywood biopic movie...but I'm sure it's inevitable.
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Reply #9 posted 10/22/16 5:47am

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I like the points mentioned in this article. I too would love to see a documentary showing and discussing his very beginnings up until the end. Not a gossipy one by a bunch of tabloid "journalists". I want to hear from those who knew him and worked with him and they can give their insights on the man, his music and his genius.

Love is God, God is love, girls and boys love God above~
The only Love there is, is the Love We Make~
Prince4Ever
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Reply #10 posted 10/22/16 6:28am

Lovejunky

databank said:

Studio albums
Do: Reissue a majority of his studio albums. We would love to see his records get the standard deluxe-edition treatment, with bonus tracks, alternate takes or demos. Musicians and studio engineers who were involved in the recording sessions should have input in the curation. Remastering should be done lightly, if at all.

I agree with inviting whomever was involved at any particular era to contribute, i.e. Susan Rogers isn't necessarily the best person for a Musicology era project for example. I also believe the vault should be properly inventoried before anything else is done, and that the list of what exists should be made available to researchers, if not the general public, for the sake of History.

.
Don’t: Reissue every album. “N.E.W.S.,” for instance, can be left alone. We also don’t need to hear 14 versions of “Let’s Go Crazy” on the “Purple Rain” reissue.

That's very kind of you but some people do happen to love albums such as NEWS, which showcase a different side of P's talent and BTW happens to feature what may have been his best band at the top of its improvisation game. While some records are obviously more a priority than others, I believe the interity of the catalogue should be available in one form or another. As for the 14 versions of such or such songs that's gonna be one of the toughest aspects, see the ongoing Computer Blue controversy. On the long run I believe certain things should be released in digital form only, to reduce inistial costs and risk of losing money, for the hadcore fans only to purchase, and that includes multiple cuts of songs.

.

Do: Carefully consider issuing some of the purportedly many shelved albums, weighing how complete they were and why he didn’t issue them in the first place. If he hated them, forget it. If he shelved the records simply for professional calculations — as was the case with the ultimately well-received “The Black Album” — then bring ’em on.

Those projects should even be a priority: any unreleased album compiled by prince himself should be put out. As for how he felt about them, this may be tough to assess. And I want Madrid 2 Chicago more than anything! Some such projects, such as The Flesh, could also do for a comprenhensive boxset featuring the whole set of sessions alongside the planned album.

.
Don’t: Produce a posthumous duets album, like the tacky pairings forced upon Elvis, Dean Martin and Notorious B.I.G. Just no. Nor should there be a collection of “finished” unfinished recordings. As if anyone could ever be entrusted to finish what that perfectionist started.

I agree 100%

.
Live collections
Do: Load us up. Seriously, let’s go crazy.
It’s bewildering that one of rock’s greatest live performers did not release more live albums in his time — probably because he always wanted us looking ahead to his next batch of songs, not reliving the oldies. Well, we don’t really have a choice now.
There’s a trove of terrific bootlegs being traded among fans, and there must also be a gold mine of concert recordings he made himself. We want early shows going back to the Capri Theater. We want a Piano and a Microphone Tour album from the weeks before his death, since it’s clear he was still captivating crowds till the end. And we want shows from every tour in between. Oh, and how about all nine of the full concerts he delivered at First Avenue?
Jimi Hendrix’s estate, representing a similarly dynamic live performer, has done a terrific job over the past decade of giving fans his landmark moments and representing different eras/tours. The Grateful Dead has also done a cool thing with its Dick’s Picks series from archivist Dick Latvala. Perhaps Questlove, Chris Rock, Maya Rudolph or other superfans could be recruited for something similar.

Yes!

.
Don’t: Issue anything with subpar audio quality, even if it’s a historic moment. He always wanted to sound good.

Hopefully all the audio recordings are good enough save maybe some rehearsals. Video may be different though, what to do with those one camera videos Prince used to make before he pro-shot everything? However it is not true that Prince was always so careful about sound quality: he released and streamed a lot of things that should have sounded much better (NPGMC's Rebirth rehearsal comes to mind among others, or the lame Beautiful Experience 10th gen VHS copies that were sold by mail in 2001).

.
Do: Consider live DVDs, too. The strong visual side to his shows can’t be overlooked. There’s a reason the “Sign o’ the Times” concert film is a highly sought-after relic now.

See above: few shows were multi-angle shot before the 90's. It is possible that we only have those one angle films for anything before 1982, and very few multi-angles overall before the D&P tour. Maybe some of those one-angle shows could be released digitally only, for the hardcore to enjoy? Let us also begin by releasing proper editions of all those OOP live shows, as well as the TV specials, that feature all versions of each show (there were variants on several shows such as parade of lovesexy, intended for different markets or formats).

YES....

Id like to see compilation albums a some point too...

Blues for example, If I had a Harem, Begging Woman,twins in my bed, Telemarketer Blues .........

God he has left behind a veritabal Treasure Chest and a flippng Palace !

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Reply #11 posted 10/22/16 7:30am

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those are great suggestions. i this like this one, especially, since i personally feel that Paisley Park should continue to be a functioning recording studio:

Do: Make Paisley Park more than a museum, with live events and perhaps music-education programs. That soundstage where Prince played so many times would be a fitting place to host an annual birthday party, or other tributes (but not more than the city would allow). Prince no doubt would love to see his place used to educate young musicians, something the Stax Museum in Memphis has done with its successful Stax Music Academy. Perhaps unsigned musicians could apply for grants to use the recording studios.

Don’t: Open up the private quarters to tours or get too tacky with the merchandise. Elvis’ Graceland — whose operators now run Paisley Park — can be a guide in this case. His upstairs bedroom areas are still off limits on tours. Conversely, there seems to be no limit to the gaudy offerings in the massive gift shop.

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