airth said:

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said: For fucks sake, you make Eminem's Stan and Mark Chapman look sane. . You've been on here for about 20 years with your personal vendetta and even carry it on when he's dead. Very weird and sad really

From what I can see, Bart is just stating facts, or at least anecdotes from people close to Prince, while you're the one getting personal. I think it's good to have people on the board who aren't afraid of calling Prince out.

'facts'?..all bias aside he does not in any way shape or form state any fact in that 250m valuation. It's all part of his bizarre obsession to prove anyone who has worked with him & complimented him wrong. Dodger is 100% within in his/her rights to make a very good point.

bluegangsta said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

under normal circumstances we would ALL agree with you...but Prince has died..in pain..& alone. What you call 'sycophantic bullshit' is actually a combination of utter heartache, love, respect, appreciation & disbelief that we lost him in such horrible circumstances. I've said it many, many times but the thought that he battled through years of pain yet continued to work relentlessly producing albums & touring constantly as well as supporting artists & charities is beyond heart breaking. So, forgive us for coming out with 'sycophantic bullshit'.... i prefer to call it love.

Eve love gets monotonous.

that's a really sad sentiment...how can love ever get monotonous? each to their own.

Iamtheorg said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

& yet Ben & co still give him a platform. Screw free speech & principles...i'd ban him asap. Our Prince has died & he continues to disrespect..beggards belief & is beyond contempt.

Thats all because AMP became a cesspool of defunctness so he had no place left to go but here. Same as many other ampers who once clowned prince.org. every chance they got.

really dont wnat to make this a BVH bash fest...it's really sad because he does have some good info BUT his absolute refusal to say anything nice / positive smashes his credibility. It;s a shame IMHO a very sad way to exist.

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

'sycophantic bullshit' 2x

I agree that it's a catchy combo of words. I should trademark it.

I would cry tears of joy to hear an remastered cyrstal clear verion of the extended version (hallway speech...happy Bart?) of Computer Blue. The Deluxe Reastered Purple Rain is my only concern here.

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mynameisnotsusan said:

So whats the worst case scenario? Single edits When Doves Cry (3:47), Let's Go Crazy (3:46) Purple Rain (4:30 - it could vary) B sides 17 Days (3:54) Erotic City (3:53/7:24) God (3:59/7:54) Another Lonely Christmas (4:51/6:47) Extended versions Let's Go Crazy (7:35) I Would Die 4 U (10:15) B side 12 inch timings above That's over an hour right there - there's not going to be a hell of a lot of room for much else if it's a 2 disc set - 15 minutes? 3/4 unreleased songs tops. I guess they could shoehorn the album track alternate versions to the end of the regular album disc to add another 30 minutes or so of disc space - plenty of other deluxe releases do that but I'm preparing to be seriously underwhelmed

No, that's not the worst sinero. That would be what Prince himself said he did. He just sent Warner Bros an exact remaster of the oringinal Purple Rain album. The second disc may just be Morris Day & the Time, and some Appolonia Six songs. THAT would be the worst case, and more than likely outcome.

jaypotton said:

Purple Rain deluxe disc two...my prediction: 1. All the b sides 2. All the 12" versions 3. Alternate versions (eg full length Computer Blue) 4. Two previously unreleased songs (eg. Electric Intercourse) So not loads of previously unreleased songs.

I hope and pray this is the case. We'll see next year.

Scarfo said:

dance4me3121 said:

Scarfo said:

I hope and pray this is the case. We'll see next year.

I just hope we get the full length version of "17 Days". That alone would get me to purchase it

That really would be awesome because I never knew there was an full version of that song! (besides the When Dove Cry B-Side version)

From "Super Deluxe Edition" site

Seven tracks new to CD

Despite being targeted firmly at the casual fan, the new Prince 4EVER compilation (due next month) will contain a number of well-known tracks in variants that have never before been issued on CD, according to Warners.

Twenty-three out of the 40 tracks on Prince 4EVER are single edits, as follows:

• 1999 3.36
• Little Red Corvette* 3.08
• When Doves Cry 3.49
• Let’s Go Crazy* 3.46
• I Wanna Be Your Lover 2.57
• Soft And Wet 3.01
• Uptown 4.09
• Controversy 3.35
• Let’s Work* 2.56
• Delirious 2.36
• I Would Die 4 U 2.57
• Take Me With U* 3.39
• Purple Rain 4.02
• Sign ‘O’ The Times 3.44
• Alphabet St.* 2.25
• Batdance 4.06
• Girls And Boys* 3.27
• If I Was Your Girlfriend 3.46
• I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (fade) 3.39
• Glam Slam* 3.28
• Diamonds And Pearls 4.20
• Gett Off (single remix) 3.59
• 7 (Album Edit) 4.23

Warners are claiming that the tracks marked in bold and with an asterisk are “previously unavailable on CD” although labels are notoriously unreliable with information like this, so SDE readers can confirm if this is indeed the case!

Other points of interest include the fact that Nothing Compares 2 U is identical to the version on The Hits/The B-Sides and that Diamonds And Pearls wasn’t edited for the single in the UK, therefore the US 4.20 single edit must be what is being used. Of course as well as this Moonbeam Levels is included which is completely unreleased.

4EVER will be released on 25 November (22 Nov in the US). The full track listing is below.

BoraBora said:

From "Super Deluxe Edition" site

Seven tracks new to CD

Despite being targeted firmly at the casual fan, the new Prince 4EVER compilation (due next month) will contain a number of well-known tracks in variants that have never before been issued on CD, according to Warners.

Twenty-three out of the 40 tracks on Prince 4EVER are single edits, as follows:

• 1999 3.36
• Little Red Corvette* 3.08
• When Doves Cry 3.49
• Let’s Go Crazy* 3.46
• I Wanna Be Your Lover 2.57
• Soft And Wet 3.01
• Uptown 4.09
• Controversy 3.35
• Let’s Work* 2.56
• Delirious 2.36
• I Would Die 4 U 2.57
• Take Me With U* 3.39
• Purple Rain 4.02
• Sign ‘O’ The Times 3.44
• Alphabet St.* 2.25
• Batdance 4.06
• Girls And Boys* 3.27
• If I Was Your Girlfriend 3.46
• I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (fade) 3.39
• Glam Slam* 3.28
• Diamonds And Pearls 4.20
• Gett Off (single remix) 3.59
• 7 (Album Edit) 4.23

Warners are claiming that the tracks marked in bold and with an asterisk are “previously unavailable on CD” although labels are notoriously unreliable with information like this, so SDE readers can confirm if this is indeed the case!

Other points of interest include the fact that Nothing Compares 2 U is identical to the version on The Hits/The B-Sides and that Diamonds And Pearls wasn’t edited for the single in the UK, therefore the US 4.20 single edit must be what is being used. Of course as well as this Moonbeam Levels is included which is completely unreleased.

4EVER will be released on 25 November (22 Nov in the US). The full track listing is below.

Well, that's some good news at least. If it's gotta be previously released, I much prefer it to be previously unavailable on CD. This increases the value somewhat for a completist like myself.

BoraBora said:

djThunderfunk said:

BoraBora said:

From "Super Deluxe Edition" site

Seven tracks new to CD

Despite being targeted firmly at the casual fan, the new Prince 4EVER compilation (due next month) will contain a number of well-known tracks in variants that have never before been issued on CD, according to Warners.

Twenty-three out of the 40 tracks on Prince 4EVER are single edits, as follows:

Warners are claiming that the tracks marked in bold and with an asterisk are “previously unavailable on CD” although labels are notoriously unreliable with information like this, so SDE readers can confirm if this is indeed the case!

Other points of interest include the fact that Nothing Compares 2 U is identical to the version on The Hits/The B-Sides and that Diamonds And Pearls wasn’t edited for the single in the UK, therefore the US 4.20 single edit must be what is being used. Of course as well as this Moonbeam Levels is included which is completely unreleased.

4EVER will be released on 25 November (22 Nov in the US). The full track listing is below.

Well, that's some good news at least. If it's gotta be previously released, I much prefer it to be previously unavailable on CD. This increases the value somewhat for a completist like myself.

Well the track times seem to indicate they are not different from the single/radio edits of these songs but we will see or hear soon enough. Perhaps, these are alternate mixes? IDK but the don't appear to be unheard.

Still no word on which version of "Moonbeam Levels" will be on the CD? I'm hoping its the version recorded in 1988 rather than the 1982 version that's been circulating for a long time now.

Am I the only one who think that the 1989 version is simply the same as the 1982 version, maybe only updated with a different mix?!?!?!?

You want to dance Bart? Fine.

BartVanHemelen said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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But why bash WBR? It's much more likely this was yet more sabotage from Prince, delivering the absolute minimum. And now they're stuck with this, because until the estate gets settled this is all they've got. And there's no certainty they'll gain access to more material any time soon.

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That's the problem when dealing with someone who behaves like a stubborn teenager instead of a professional who realises the value in curating your back catalogue. Undoubtedly this PR remaster/whatever will be a major disappointment, since it will be nowhere near the "final edition" this record deserves to have by this time.

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I remember how Led Zeppelin Remasters was hailed as a glorious reminder of the greatness of that band after their catalogue had become somewhat forgotten, yet if you look at the dates the oldest material in that box set dated back a mere 21 years. Meanwhile PR is 30+ years old (!) and we're only now beginning to dig into it... And if this one bombs, I fear for the rest of the contents of the vault because getting it all out will require a significant investment and lots of promo.

I always love how Bart calls Prince unprofessional and a bad businessman. A man who started from virtually nothing and became a Multi-Millionaire and one of the most prolific and respected artists of all time.

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And had a lot of help and a very supportive record company.

All businesses without exception operate in conjunction with other people be they governments, investors, staff members or other supporters.

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No idea what he means by recognising the value of his back catalogue, does he mean money of which Prince had millions?

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Yes, let's ignore that several times Prince was flirting with bankruptcy back when he was actually selling a fuckload of records. Note that you failed to READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE, by the way.

Prince has never, ever stood a realistic chance of going bankrupt. It is just not true. If ever a situation like this ever occured a simple string or concerts, public or private would earn him an enormous amount of money.

With the greatest respect the professionalism Prince displayed in his life on his worst day would eclipse most people's lives.

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Yeah, let's ignore that prince fired his road crew during the "Gold Tour" and demanded his manager hire a local crew on each date, which the manager solved by keeping the road crew employed and having them wear fake beards etc. Or that he didn't pay his bills and caused dozens of struggling businesses and several bankruptcies. Or hired a ditzy chick to host the online promo special for AOA. Real professional. And that's justa small list of examples.

Your example really has no use whatsoever. Most successful busines I know are either late in paying bills, put pressure on suppliers to acceot less, constantly want to re-negotiate tersm etc. This is called business., All of our most well know business including supermarkets, online companies, finance companies all do the same. It just shows your lack of knowledge about the business world.

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Prince was a stunngly successful businessman.

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No he wasn't. He got extremely lucky a couple of times, but at the end he was selling mere thousands of copies.

I have rarely seen a funnier statement in my life. Do you know what you call someone who is constantly and consistently lucky? Someone who is good at what they do. No doubt the harder Prince workedthe luckier he got.

Just out of interest which were the 'couple' of times he was lucky?

Securing a contract with WB at such a young age?

Impressing WB enough that they extended his contract?

Creating the stunningly successful Purple Rain Album and Movie?

Being paid very wll for the lucrative Batman Album?

Creating the very sucessful Diamonds and Pearls Album?

Bringing in tens of millions of pounds through the remarkably successful Musicology tour?

Making a fortune through the 21 Nights Shows?

Or the Vegas Residency?

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I know a businessmen who made around 250million from retail and he is considered a capitalistic genius and yet Prince does it, whilst respecting his art, and people just snipe.

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Except Prince didn't have $250 million when he died. Sure, there's an estimate that his estate could be worth that, but the actual worth right here right now? Nowhere near that.

If Prince died being worth just one million, he would stillbe a successful business man, he inherited nothing and didn't win the lottery. He was self-made.

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Note that plenty of people in his entourage have stated frustration about Prince abandoning projects at the drop of a hat.

Lord knows what this means. He changed his mind about projects? So what. Sometimes he followed art, sometimes money. Everybody changes their mind about projects.

Also please stop saying people are 'projecting' when they say that somethin made you not like Prince anymore. You clearly don't know what the term means. If they were projecting it would mean that they had something happen to them and they don't like Prince anymore, they haven't, they still like Prince. Projecting would mean a secretly gay person criticizing someone for being gay. Google is your friend, maybe perhaps look up the word.

" You can't battle me, baby! I'll kick yo' little ass and have you runnin' home to mama, good-and-plenty fast!"

Iamtheorg said:

databank said:

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

[Edited 10/29/16 5:10am]

One does not have to be "dumb" or inarticulate to be mentally distrubed.

An ongoing negative obsession is a mental distrubance.

Exactly. Definetely something wrong with him. He just mixes moments of factual knowledge to better balance the deepy disturbed bitterness towards the man. Seriously, it's like he's "Debbie Downer" on steroids. It gets old. Probably easily explained though. He simply missed that day of home training when they taught if you don't have something nice to say...

So we are going to get shorter edited versions of what we already have? WB thinks that is going to make the hard core fans rush to buy it?

Warner Music Switzerland has track times, though whether this list is reliable...

dodger said:

For fucks sake, you make Eminem's Stan and Mark Chapman look sane. . You've been on here for about 20 years with your personal vendetta and even carry it on when he's dead. Very weird and sad really [Edited 10/29/16 16:02pm]

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Oh look, nonsensical insults. Translation: you admit I'm right.

jaawwnn said:

Ultimately I like Prince for his music, not for his business savvy. All his business decisions made sense within the confines of his viewpoint of art before business and you're wrong if you think he put business first.

Many, maybe even most, of his business ventures turned out to be bad decisions financially, but do I give a fuck? He liked to brag about his business savvy, he was mostly wrong, we all knew it, he was occasionally right, good for him. Neither of those results are why we listened to his music.

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That's just cherry-picking. Pretending that Prince repeatedly and incessantly lied about his business acumen for shits and giggles is just ridiculous.

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And sure, the music wasn't always up to scratch, not always, but at least we knew he meant it.

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Yet he didn't play the songs live, etc. The cheque cleared and Prince's promo efforts ground to a halt. Even AOA: couldn't even be arsed to turn up at the hyped GMA announcement.

muleFunk said:

airth said:

From what I can see, Bart is just stating facts, or at least anecdotes from people close to Prince, while you're the one getting personal. I think it's good to have people on the board who aren't afraid of calling Prince out.

Calling Prince out on everything shows that you have a personal vendetta.

Many people who "called" Prince out were acting like he wronged them personally.

A CD that was ordered and not delivered is not an act of Prince Rogers Nelson but his shipping department. Yet people came here and thought that Prince was fucking with them by not sending what they ordered. I talked with a person who worked for the NPGMC and one of the biggest problems they had was people giving the wrong mailing address. Then they would complain when it was shipped to the wrong house. There was also a problem with things being shipped overseas.

I can understand the anger at the company but to carry it on to be against everything he did afterward is beyond comprehension.

[Edited 10/30/16 6:27am]

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Oh look it's the "Prince cannot fail, he can only be failed" school of thought. So mr control freak is hands off on what his fans experience? LMAO. CB was Prince drumming up business so he could go to a distributor and get a good deal with lotsa dough upfront. Until that deal happened fans were getting ZILCH. And once the deal happened the set turned up in stores before 99% of fans had received the set despite having it pre-ordered months earlier. From then on it was damage control: free crappy t-shirts, etc.

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Even more ludicrous is you lot using pathetic words like "vendetta". Go on, what did I make up? Oh wait, everything I said is factual or fact-based, hence the personal attacks.

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Again: you lot are projecting.

BartVanHemelen said:

jaawwnn said:

Ultimately I like Prince for his music, not for his business savvy. All his business decisions made sense within the confines of his viewpoint of art before business and you're wrong if you think he put business first.

Many, maybe even most, of his business ventures turned out to be bad decisions financially, but do I give a fuck? He liked to brag about his business savvy, he was mostly wrong, we all knew it, he was occasionally right, good for him. Neither of those results are why we listened to his music.

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That's just cherry-picking. Pretending that Prince repeatedly and incessantly lied about his business acumen for shits and giggles is just ridiculous.

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And sure, the music wasn't always up to scratch, not always, but at least we knew he meant it.

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Yet he didn't play the songs live, etc. The cheque cleared and Prince's promo efforts ground to a halt. Even AOA: couldn't even be arsed to turn up at the hyped GMA announcement.

Piss on the dude's grave much?

Iamtheorg said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

& yet Ben & co still give him a platform. Screw free speech & principles...i'd ban him asap. Our Prince has died & he continues to disrespect..beggards belief & is beyond contempt.

Thats all because AMP became a cesspool of defunctness so he had no place left to go but here. Same as many other ampers who once clowned prince.org. every chance they got.

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Amazing how you lot keep making shit up.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You're projecting.

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

[Edited 10/29/16 5:10am]

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Again: you're projecting. All you've written here in no way resembles what I do.

Happy to hear these are 7" edits, as I'd hoped.

Purple Rain on the list above should be bolded, as well...

[Edited 10/31/16 14:44pm]

BartVanHemelen said:

muleFunk said:

Pre A.M.P. Prince bashing was not common. After the invasion of the A.M.P. it became missionary zeal.

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What nonsense. You obviously know zilch about the history. Org is an offshoot of PPML and there were plenty of AMPers on there. And lotsa criticism and debate.

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Wanna know when the Org went to shit? When Prince's official site closed it forums and these children who'd lived in a walled garden where stringent censorship was applied to anything that might hurt Princey invaded the Org and demanded fealty to their god and wanted all criticism to cease and desist.

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And even before, when back in the late 1990s Prince demanded all fansites "unite" and a bunch of elitists ganged up and started this us vs them crap.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

[Edited 10/29/16 5:10am]

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Again: you're projecting. All you've written here in no way resembles what I do.

What is it you think you do then? Is it simply stating the facts? Do you believe you are just an impartial disseminator of truthful information to all us uninformed Prince fans? Are we just misunderstanding your tone as that of being highly negative? You explain to us why you believe we are missing your true and intended points of view?

FunkOnTheOne said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Again: you're projecting. All you've written here in no way resembles what I do.

Please, please look up the term 'projecting', you clearly don't know what it means and everytime you use it incorrectly it just makes you look a little silly

Maybe you should say (in tribute to him) something like "You see that button at the top right hand of this page? Why don't you use it you uninformed minimilistic brained peasant". Something like that...