mynameisnotsusan said:

God - the whinging when the PR deluxe edition tracklist finally gets released is going to be unbearable

No matter what they do, you know some of us will be complaining!

CandaceS said:

No matter what they do, you know some of us will be complaining!

I agree, had the prince.org and the internet existed for the general public in 1987, there would have been pages of complaint about why SOTT was mastered so badly and why songs like Crucial and Good Love were left off in place of a Beautiful Night

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Same thing in 84 - What is this 9 song shit Prince, and where the fuck is the modernaires song. Some people always got to be complaining (And I am guilty too). It's like Chris Rock, you could fuck your woman with a diamond dick and she would still complain "Yo daimond lost its shine, it all cloudy"

The Org may have pioneered the 'whingegasm' but it's since become the set format for all responsage (new word) from overentitled consumer brats in an age where they get everything they want from the interphone instantaneously or start loading a glock.
'Where is the vault? Why isnt it on Kindle...I mean Spotify...I mean Amazon...I mean HD Tracks?'

Instant gratification is the work them Debbil leave for those with idle hands and the batteries low on the vibrator.

And for those who got their instant gratification, like a new plastic purchase on a whim, it's only a short bus ride home before the emptiness creeps in and the credit card bill ultimately precludes the buying of something you actually need.

Best to save up instead of play with plastic, kids.
That way you'll often be right on time for something worth buying.

PRINCE 4EVER?

I'll print out the cover and stick it over a CDR.
IF I can be bothered.

The way I'm looking at it, I'mma put some coins in a box occasionally toward exchanging them for an NPG box to come. As to when, all good things come with the waitin'

[Edited 10/29/16 2:05am]

it is on iTunes too:

https://itunes.apple.com/it/album/4ever/id1170674642

ENG:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/4ever/id1170674642

[Edited 10/29/16 2:05am]

mynameisnotsusan said:

So whats the worst case scenario? Single edits When Doves Cry (3:47), Let's Go Crazy (3:46) Purple Rain (4:30 - it could vary) B sides 17 Days (3:54) Erotic City (3:53/7:24) God (3:59/7:54) Another Lonely Christmas (4:51/6:47) Extended versions Let's Go Crazy (7:35) I Would Die 4 U (10:15) B side 12 inch timings above That's over an hour right there - there's not going to be a hell of a lot of room for much else if it's a 2 disc set - 15 minutes? 3/4 unreleased songs tops. I guess they could shoehorn the album track alternate versions to the end of the regular album disc to add another 30 minutes or so of disc space - plenty of other deluxe releases do that but I'm preparing to be seriously underwhelmed

There were several edits of Purple Rain. This is not the worst case scenario this is the scam scenario. "Previously unheard" means "previously unheard". Something has been announced. WB is NOT Prince, they don't announce something then back-off as he used to do all the time, they're I think a serious company. So as explained above I bet on at the very least 3 CD's altogether.

databank said:

databank said:

mynameisnotsusan said:

So whats the worst case scenario? Single edits When Doves Cry (3:47), Let's Go Crazy (3:46) Purple Rain (4:30 - it could vary) B sides 17 Days (3:54) Erotic City (3:53/7:24) God (3:59/7:54) Another Lonely Christmas (4:51/6:47) Extended versions Let's Go Crazy (7:35) I Would Die 4 U (10:15) B side 12 inch timings above That's over an hour right there - there's not going to be a hell of a lot of room for much else if it's a 2 disc set - 15 minutes? 3/4 unreleased songs tops. I guess they could shoehorn the album track alternate versions to the end of the regular album disc to add another 30 minutes or so of disc space - plenty of other deluxe releases do that but I'm preparing to be seriously underwhelmed

There were several edits of Purple Rain. This is not the worst case scenario this is the scam scenario. "Previously unheard" means "previously unheard". Something has been announced. WB is NOT Prince, they don't announce something then back-off as he used to do all the time, they're I think a serious company. So as explained above I bet on at the very least 3 CD's altogether.

They's re not so serious. They announced PR deluxe back in 2014. They preferred to release two albums the same day, aka AOA and PLEC ELEC, which were huge flop.

ANd we don't knwo what are they waiting for releasing real new songs, the last lives before Prince's death, clips on blu ray, etc.

jaypotton said:

The press release said: "The remaster of the classic Purple Rain will arrive with a second album of previously unreleased material. More details will be revealed closer to the release date." So that is "A" second album (ie 2 discs) of "unreleased" not "unheard".

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I very much doubt a record company would undercut an upcoming release by suggesting a single bonus CD whereas in reality there would be two CDs. And why stop at two? An "album" could mean a dozen, or a hundred, right?

FunkOnTheOne said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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But why bash WBR? It's much more likely this was yet more sabotage from Prince, delivering the absolute minimum. And now they're stuck with this, because until the estate gets settled this is all they've got. And there's no certainty they'll gain access to more material any time soon.

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That's the problem when dealing with someone who behaves like a stubborn teenager instead of a professional who realises the value in curating your back catalogue. Undoubtedly this PR remaster/whatever will be a major disappointment, since it will be nowhere near the "final edition" this record deserves to have by this time.

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I remember how Led Zeppelin Remasters was hailed as a glorious reminder of the greatness of that band after their catalogue had become somewhat forgotten, yet if you look at the dates the oldest material in that box set dated back a mere 21 years. Meanwhile PR is 30+ years old (!) and we're only now beginning to dig into it... And if this one bombs, I fear for the rest of the contents of the vault because getting it all out will require a significant investment and lots of promo.

I always love how Bart calls Prince unprofessional and a bad businessman. A man who started from virtually nothing and became a Multi-Millionaire and one of the most prolific and respected artists of all time.

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And had a lot of help and a very supportive record company.

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No idea what he means by recognising the value of his back catalogue, does he mean money of which Prince had millions?

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Yes, let's ignore that several times Prince was flirting with bankruptcy back when he was actually selling a fuckload of records. Note that you failed to READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE, by the way.

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With the greatest respect the professionalism Prince displayed in his life on his worst day would eclipse most people's lives.

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Yeah, let's ignore that prince fired his road crew during the "Gold Tour" and demanded his manager hire a local crew on each date, which the manager solved by keeping the road crew employed and having them wear fake beards etc. Or that he didn't pay his bills and caused dozens of struggling businesses and several bankruptcies. Or hired a ditzy chick to host the online promo special for AOA. Real professional. And that's justa small list of examples.

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Prince was a stunngly successful businessman.

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No he wasn't. He got extremely lucky a couple of times, but at the end he was selling mere thousands of copies.

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I know a businessmen who made around 250million from retail and he is considered a capitalistic genius and yet Prince does it, whilst respecting his art, and people just snipe.

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Except Prince didn't have $250 million when he died. Sure, there's an estimate that his estate could be worth that, but the actual worth right here right now? Nowhere near that.

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Note that plenty of people in his entourage have stated frustration about Prince abandoning projects at the drop of a hat.

databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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But why bash WBR? It's much more likely this was yet more sabotage from Prince, delivering the absolute minimum. And now they're stuck with this, because until the estate gets settled this is all they've got. And there's no certainty they'll gain access to more material any time soon.

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That's the problem when dealing with someone who behaves like a stubborn teenager instead of a professional who realises the value in curating your back catalogue. Undoubtedly this PR remaster/whatever will be a major disappointment, since it will be nowhere near the "final edition" this record deserves to have by this time.

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I remember how Led Zeppelin Remasters was hailed as a glorious reminder of the greatness of that band after their catalogue had become somewhat forgotten, yet if you look at the dates the oldest material in that box set dated back a mere 21 years. Meanwhile PR is 30+ years old (!) and we're only now beginning to dig into it... And if this one bombs, I fear for the rest of the contents of the vault because getting it all out will require a significant investment and lots of promo.

Why don't you just create a thread and explain thoroughly what Prince has personally done to you to generate such anger towards him? The man's gone, dude, give it a rest. What r u gonna do: go at PP on a tour and spit on the urn? He's lost, you've won: you're the one still standing. I mean you know I appreciate your contributions and all, but here I think either you should explain yourself or calm down with the Prince bashing, because you're really making this sound too personal for a nasty little story not being behind it (a girl, maybe?), so if u're gonna keep at it at least let us know why

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Oh, so it's fine to hurl unsubstantiated insults towards WBR, but pointing out how Prince left a clusterfuck is bashing Prince. The simple fact that your response is a personal attack towards me instead of refuting the points I made speaks volumes.

databank said:

FunkOnTheOne said:

I always thought there must be some reason for the longest trolling in Human History

Trolls do not contribute to discussions in any positive manner, Bart does by providing links and informations at least, and by sharing educated opinions and guesses. So I wouldn't call him a troll (we've had a lot of so-called haters like him who hardly ever brought anything substantial to the board). But still, I wanna know the story

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You're projecting.

Todd968 said:

Real Prince fans will probably pass on thie WB ploy and wait for the unreleased material once Jay -Z or whoever is the winning bidder.

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Yeah, good luck with that. WBR has obviously a contract in place that makes them the sole entity with the distribution rights to WBR-era material. I very much doubt another entity could just go release a previously unreleased version of LGC etc. Nobody sane is touching that material unless that shit is cleared up.

BartVanHemelen said:

Todd968 said:

Real Prince fans will probably pass on thie WB ploy and wait for the unreleased material once Jay -Z or whoever is the winning bidder.

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Yeah, good luck with that. WBR has obviously a contract in place that makes them the sole entity with the distribution rights to WBR-era material. I very much doubt another entity could just go release a previously unreleased version of LGC etc. Nobody sane is touching that material unless that shit is cleared up.

I agree 100% with you on this and I wouldn't be surprised that WB will eventually distribute all of the Prince vault material.

jaypotton said:

databank said:

There were several edits of Purple Rain. This is not the worst case scenario this is the scam scenario. "Previously unheard" means "previously unheard". Something has been announced. WB is NOT Prince, they don't announce something then back-off as he used to do all the time, they're I think a serious company. So as explained above I bet on at the very least 3 CD's altogether.

3 cd set! Love your optimism DB but I am sticking to my prediction: Purple Rain deluxe two disc set. First disc PR as per original but remastered with the second disc (album): 1. All the b sides 2. All the 12" versions 3. Alternate versions (eg full length Computer Blue) 4. Two previously unreleased songs (Electric Intercourse will be one) So not loads of previously unreleased songs (though it can be argued that alternate versions such as Computer Blue are unreleased songs too). The press release said: "The remaster of the classic Purple Rain will arrive with a second album of previously unreleased material. More details will be revealed closer to the release date." So that is "A" second album (ie 2 discs) of "unreleased" not "unheard". I will be happy and buy that but I wish you were right! I expect when the estate is sorted we may see the PR 40th anniversary edition with even more material for milking. [Edited 10/29/16 3:04am]

I don't follow you. "unheard" and "unreleased" are one and the same anyway unless you accept bootlegs have being "heard" (unreleased but heard). B-sides and extended cuts have been both released and heard, so you're calling WB a liar. Maybe u're right, but then WB deserves bashing.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Why don't you just create a thread and explain thoroughly what Prince has personally done to you to generate such anger towards him? The man's gone, dude, give it a rest. What r u gonna do: go at PP on a tour and spit on the urn? He's lost, you've won: you're the one still standing. I mean you know I appreciate your contributions and all, but here I think either you should explain yourself or calm down with the Prince bashing, because you're really making this sound too personal for a nasty little story not being behind it (a girl, maybe?), so if u're gonna keep at it at least let us know why

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Oh, so it's fine to hurl unsubstantiated insults towards WBR, but pointing out how Prince left a clusterfuck is bashing Prince. The simple fact that your response is a personal attack towards me instead of refuting the points I made speaks volumes.

1/ WB is a company, not a person. You can't hurt a company's feelings.

2/ No one has insulted WB yet, at least I certainly didn't: they haven't done anything wrong yet.

3/ I didn't attack you the least. You've seen me attack people before, you know this wasn't an attack.

[Edited 10/29/16 5:12am]

muleFunk said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Yeah, good luck with that. WBR has obviously a contract in place that makes them the sole entity with the distribution rights to WBR-era material. I very much doubt another entity could just go release a previously unreleased version of LGC etc. Nobody sane is touching that material unless that shit is cleared up.

I agree 100% with you on this and I wouldn't be surprised that WB will eventually distribute all of the Prince vault material.

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Hmmyes, but what CONtract is in place after Prince's demise?

Do record- or rather distribution contracts survive the artist's death in the USA?

Or did WB already arrange some placeholder contract until the Estate can sign futher deal(s) for releasing the unreleased stuff etc?

WB is a big company but if we assume the US$300M estimate value of the estate then we see ~US$150M in inheritance taxes.

WB did a $100M contract back then which made Prince do the 'symbol' thing.

Will they now for over even more?! I do not see that happening so quickly.

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Best possible deal would be WB paying parth of the tax thing.

And then maybe WB lending the estate the rest of the US$150M in exchange for a fixed term lease on rights to certain things for releasing and distributing them.

This means that the relatives inherit nothing from the vault! (until after the lease expires)

But taxes will get paid.

And estate people will receive royalties etc.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

Trolls do not contribute to discussions in any positive manner, Bart does by providing links and informations at least, and by sharing educated opinions and guesses. So I wouldn't call him a troll (we've had a lot of so-called haters like him who hardly ever brought anything substantial to the board). But still, I wanna know the story

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You're projecting.

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

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databank said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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You're projecting.

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

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... All I can say is it's not healthy for a person that age for almost 15 years take everything so personally everytime Prince didn't make a "smart" decision...

Bart has a lot of knowledge, but it's such a contradiction to why you would post for over 15 years just pointing out the negatives... I just don't get it with him.

udo said:

muleFunk said:

I agree 100% with you on this and I wouldn't be surprised that WB will eventually distribute all of the Prince vault material.

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Hmmyes, but what CONtract is in place after Prince's demise?

Do record- or rather distribution contracts survive the artist's death in the USA?

Or did WB already arrange some placeholder contract until the Estate can sign futher deal(s) for releasing the unreleased stuff etc?

WB is a big company but if we assume the US$300M estimate value of the estate then we see ~US$150M in inheritance taxes.

WB did a $100M contract back then which made Prince do the 'symbol' thing.

Will they now for over even more?! I do not see that happening so quickly.

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Best possible deal would be WB paying parth of the tax thing.

And then maybe WB lending the estate the rest of the US$150M in exchange for a fixed term lease on rights to certain things for releasing and distributing them.

This means that the relatives inherit nothing from the vault! (until after the lease expires)

But taxes will get paid.

And estate people will receive royalties etc.

This is part of the deal that was signed with Prince and WB in 2014 which remains until the completion of the deal. The Vault material is what will be up for future contracts.

Pre A.M.P. Prince bashing was not common. After the invasion of the A.M.P. it became missionary zeal.

muleFunk said:

Pre A.M.P. Prince bashing was not common. After the invasion of the A.M.P. it became missionary zeal.

AMP? as in Alt.Music.Prince ?

BartVanHemelen said:

There is NO WAY Prince would approve this track list. None.

back when Ultimate was in the works one of the people working on it was here and he said that the original idea was to have some extended and some single versions but all mixed together... and it had Erotic City...but it was pulled and then they separated set into how it is now.

databank said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

muleFunk said:

Pre A.M.P. Prince bashing was not common. After the invasion of the A.M.P. it became missionary zeal.

AMP? as in Alt.Music.Prince ?

Yes

feeluupp said:

databank said:

Maybe, but you cannot deny that your continuous Prince-bashing has been a reality over the years. Justified or not is irrelevant, because he's only a celebrity, and one usually doesn't spend so much time and energy campaigning against someone unless they have personal reasons to. Unless they're mentally disturbed (we've had those and you know who they are) but I do not think you are mentally disturbed at all: your posts are way too articulated. You have your mind alright. So if there's no personal history there must nevertheless be a reason.

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... All I can say is it's not healthy for a person that age for almost 15 years take everything so personally everytime Prince didn't make a "smart" decision...

Bart has a lot of knowledge, but it's such a contradiction to why you would post for over 15 years just pointing out the negatives... I just don't get it with him.

I think it's amazing that Bart would take what databank said as a personal attack considering db is one of the few of us who has a balanced opinion of Bart. Very few of us will defend Bart against accusations of trolling and point out that despite his anger he is very knowledgable and usually factually correct (if wildly opinionated). databank is one who has repeatedly done so yet Bart gets db's words twisted and takes them as an attack. C'mon Bart, databank is not your enemy. If you don't like what he said that doesn't make it an attack. BTW, this comment is also not an attack.

jaypotton said:

databank said:

I don't follow you. "unheard" and "unreleased" are one and the same anyway unless you accept bootlegs have being "heard" (unreleased but heard). B-sides and extended cuts have been both released and heard, so you're calling WB a liar. Maybe u're right, but then WB deserves bashing.

I might be splitting hairs but I focused on the "unreleased" quote to mean not released officially in the full knowledge that many bootlegs exist so most of the songs will have been "heard". Also the press release does not say the second CD will contain exclusively unreleased material. Just that is will contain unreleased material. Subtle difference.

"A second album of previously unreleased material" (that's the exact quote) pretty much says what it says, and that's all we have for now.

"Unreleased" means unreleased = bootlegged maybe, but not officially released, and that excludes singles' b-sides and extended mixes, since they were official released.

"Of" doesn't mean "including" nor "with", it means "of", i.e. only unreleased music.

So we have every right to expect a full length album of unreleased music, because that's what they've announced word for word. If they are to rerelease the PR b-sides, edits and extended versions too, it can't possibly be on that specific record.

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djThunderfunk said:

feeluupp said:

... All I can say is it's not healthy for a person that age for almost 15 years take everything so personally everytime Prince didn't make a "smart" decision...

Bart has a lot of knowledge, but it's such a contradiction to why you would post for over 15 years just pointing out the negatives... I just don't get it with him.

I think it's amazing that Bart would take what databank said as a personal attack considering db is one of the few of us who has a balanced opinion of Bart. Very few of us will defend Bart against accusations of trolling and point out that despite his anger he is very knowledgable and usually factually correct (if wildly opinionated). databank is one who has repeatedly done so yet Bart gets db's words twisted and takes them as an attack. C'mon Bart, databank is not your enemy. If you don't like what he said that doesn't make it an attack. BTW, this comment is also not an attack.

muleFunk said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

AMP? as in Alt.Music.Prince ?

Yes

wow that was a LONG time ago....man there used to be a great archive of it all but i heard they deleted a lot of it over privacy issues... i would love to go read some of the stuff there!

or the PML... the real on not the digest or the PPML