I personally never believed that Prince was doing all that superhuman stuff-

Drug Free.

I'm pretty sure Prince was lonely. Probably never trusted anyone fully, understandably so. It comes with the job, i guess.

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MD431Madcat said:

I do think Prince push himself too hard and needed to take a break. The music industy is hard. No one could use drugs for so long as people think he did, without red flags comming up. We have very little infro, to really talk about what was going on with Prince.

It could have been an accident, he could have been murdered, he may have committed suicide, it's possible he's still alive...

In this day and age you need to keep a very open mind. We're lied to night and day by politicians, the media.......

Unless I see things for myself or actual evidence that proves such and such as happened, my mind will remain open.

I don't KNOW what happened. I wasn't there. You can't know what you didn't see first hand.

I don't know how people can say 'oh, Prince wouldn't have done that/Prince wouldn't have done this'. Prince only ever let you see and know what he wanted to and you can never know 100% what is going on inside someone's head.

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MD431Madcat said:

I personally never believed that Prince was doing all that superhuman stuff-

Drug Free.

You've obviously never met one of those before:

drugs are a short term solution for whatever the ailment is, If he was staying up, sleeping 3 hours a night for 40 years just off of drugs, it would have caught up with him sooner, just like it caught up to the rest of them. I don't know all the answers but I do think Prince's work habits were truly his own and came from a freakish disposition. Some people are wired so they can get more done, they say malcolm x only got about 4 hours sleep a night and usually he was fine, I knew a club owner, crazy as fuck but he was like that. I was convinced he was on coke or something but in the time I was around, I never really saw any drugs and don't think he used. Some people have a lesser degree of manic depression where they are highly functional and need less rest. and some people are just inspired by their life's work.

MD431Madcat said:

I personally never believed that Prince was doing all that superhuman stuff-

Drug Free.

Because people are able to do superhuman stuff on drugs? Name me anyone who has a had a long and successfuf carreer with not gaps or issues that was high out of their ass on drugs for a 40 year period?

PeteSilas said:

drugs are a short term solution for whatever the ailment is, If he was staying up, sleeping 3 hours a night for 40 years just off of drugs, it would have caught up with him sooner, just like it caught up to the rest of them. I don't know all the answers but I do think Prince's work habits were truly his own and came from a freakish disposition. Some people are wired so they can get more done, they say malcolm x only got about 4 hours sleep a night and usually he was fine, I knew a club owner, crazy as fuck but he was like that. I was convinced he was on coke or something but in the time I was around, I never really saw any drugs and don't think he used. Some people have a lesser degree of manic depression where they are highly functional and need less rest. and some people are just inspired by their life's work.

Thank you Prince would have been gone from this world many years ago if had been using dope for almost 40 years straight and he would have never made to 38 albums.

Purplestar88 said:

Vanity, - quite possibly the Love of his life..

Morris Day. - one of his oldest/Best friends..

various other band members, staff and crew...

a reputation for needing very little to no sleep..

extremely private..

erratic decision making and mood swings..

Thin as a rail.. sometimes sickly and frail looking.. mid 90's

ect..

Just my opinion..

laurarichardson said:

MD431Madcat said:

I personally never believed that Prince was doing all that superhuman stuff-

Drug Free.

Because people are able to do superhuman stuff on drugs? Name me anyone who has a had a long and successfuf carreer with not gaps or issues that was high out of their ass on drugs for a 40 year period?

Every one is different. When did Keith Richards kick his habit? If anyone should be dead, it should

be him. Stevie Nicks ... we know her story. Either you kick it or it kicks you.

MD431Madcat said:

Vanity, - quite possibly the Love of his life..

Morris Day. - one of his oldest/Best friends..

various other band members, staff and crew...

a reputation for needing very little to no sleep..

extremely private..

erratic decision making and mood swings..

Thin as a rail.. sometimes sickly and frail looking.. mid 90's

ect..

Just my opinion..

laurarichardson said:

Because people are able to do superhuman stuff on drugs? Name me anyone who has a had a long and successfuf carreer with not gaps or issues that was high out of their ass on drugs for a 40 year period?

What does Vanity, Morris , other friends, and staff/crew have to do with Prince. Just because they did drugs dose not mean he did them. Being thin and making erratic decisions could be cause by something else like depression. People who work overnight probably have similar sleeping patterns as Prince maybe. I am not saying he never did drugs, I am just wondering how some people think he did drugs everyday since 1985 and didn't show no signs of drugs use and did't act a fool at his shows/public events. He was in music industry for 40 years and he has very little drugs talk for someone being in the industry that long. I believe at least he daded in drugs but to applied that he was some hard core user for years sound like madness to me. No one gets that lucky when doing drugs.

i never said that i thought he was using drugs everyday...

Purplestar88 said:

MD431Madcat said:

Vanity, - quite possibly the Love of his life..

Morris Day. - one of his oldest/Best friends..

various other band members, staff and crew...

a reputation for needing very little to no sleep..

extremely private..

erratic decision making and mood swings..

Thin as a rail.. sometimes sickly and frail looking.. mid 90's

ect..

Just my opinion..

What does Vanity, Morris , other friends, and staff/crew have to do with Prince. Just because they did drugs dose not mean he did them. Being thin and making erratic decisions could be cause by something else like depression. People who work overnight probably have similar sleeping patterns as Prince maybe. I am not saying he never did drugs, I am just wondering how some people think he did drugs everyday since 1985 and didn't show no signs of drugs use and did't act a fool at his shows/public events. He was in music industry for 40 years and he has very little drugs talk for someone being in the industry that long. I believe at least he daded in drugs but to applied that he was some hard core user for years sound like madness to me. No one gets that lucky when doing drugs.

This fucking site...

NouveauDance said:

This fucking site...

I know, right?

PeteSilas said:

hollywooddove said:

This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

everyone has a different opinion because we've all gotten the same contradictory and scarcity of information. I still say the pieces don't fit, no matter how you put it together, they just don't fit. Prince wasn't your typical artist, he was a superartist/genius. even in his waning days he completed 4 albums (five if rumours are correct) no one else does that in that time period perfectly healthy. I know it's hard if not impossible but I think it would be best if we all just wait, for the next thirty years if we have to to find out the truth.

I come on. He was able to record anything even from the toilets.

Seriously, it can't be taken into account. Prince recorded daily, it's no longer a feat to this point, it's "just" is daily duty. No pun intended.

Some take drugs and stay perfectly operational. I don't know where the myth of the pathetic hobo comes from, but they were, there are, and there will be drug users that don't look like a train wreck.

The aforementioned artists, plus a bunch. It all boils down on how much you can physically can get in, and how deep within it makes you travel. If you can't take it, or your body doesn't, it simply shows.
In that aspect, he's a remarkable human being, talk about stamina.
Mick Jagger should be senile. But his brains are still there.

You're right about the work habits. I mean, drugs don't even have to be mentioned,
I don't know anyone who can survive such restless focus and efforts over decades.
I know music can feed you. It truly can sustain you. You don't need to eat.

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bonatoc said:

PeteSilas said:

everyone has a different opinion because we've all gotten the same contradictory and scarcity of information. I still say the pieces don't fit, no matter how you put it together, they just don't fit. Prince wasn't your typical artist, he was a superartist/genius. even in his waning days he completed 4 albums (five if rumours are correct) no one else does that in that time period perfectly healthy. I know it's hard if not impossible but I think it would be best if we all just wait, for the next thirty years if we have to to find out the truth.

I come on. He was able to record anything even from the toilets.

Seriously, it can't be taken into account. Prince recorded daily, it's no longer a feat to this point, it's "just" is daily duty. No pun intended.

Some take drugs and stay perfectly operational. I don't know where the myth of the pathetic hobo comes from, but they were, there are, and there will be drug users that don't look like a train wreck.

The aforementioned artists, plus a bunch. It all boils down on how much you can physically can get in, and how deep within it makes you travel. If you can't take it, or your body doesn't, it simply shows.
In that aspect, he's a remarkable human being, talk about stamina.
Mick Jagger should be senile. But his brains are still there.

You're right about the work habits. I mean, drugs don't even have to be mentioned,
I don't know anyone who can survive such restless focus and efforts over decades.
I know music can feed you. It truly can sustain you. You don't need to eat.

[Edited 10/18/16 10:45am]

your'e right, everyone is different. keith richards is an exception but even he was looking horrible by his mid forties, a comedian had a joke "keith, how do you look so bad and still live?" and he also had some fucking wierd mannerisms from the drugs. I remember watching a buddy holly documentary and even though he was thoughtful and lucid, he moved his head and arms around all crazy, it was funny as hell. Generally, I don't care who you are, a thoroughbred or an average joe, drug use shows. In boxing, i've seen some of the most brilliant talents of all time reduced to mediocrity by drugs, it will manifest itself in one way or the other.

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hollywooddove said:

This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

I posted that on day one. I think it was both however, the emotional was paramount to all of it.

naw, no ones life is perfect but he had plenty of things go right for him. as i've said many times, i don't feel sorry for a guy like prince, I feel bad for the guy who's got to do mundane work for 30-40 years. Prince had a wonderful life and he was a very strong person, I know he had issues but I think he triumphed over most of them.

PeteSilas said:

naw, no ones life is perfect but he had plenty of things go right for him. as i've said many times, i don't feel sorry for a guy like prince, I feel bad for the guy who's got to do mundane work for 30-40 years. Prince had a wonderful life and he was a very strong person, I know he had issues but I think he triumphed over most of them.

I so agree with you. I have been lurking for a while and reading the posts. There is a lot of feeling sorry for Prince happening. I have come to the same conclusion as you. This man had a fabulous life, wealth, talent, travel, international recognition and love, beautiful homes. Yes, just like every one of us, he had crappy things happen to him. All of us have crappy things happen to us. In total though, this was a life that lasted 57 years and he had experienced recognition and fame and adulation for the last 38 years (or so). He led the life he wanted to lead. That is what I call a good life and well lived.

^^^

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He Got Funky for a living!

Dini said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, no ones life is perfect but he had plenty of things go right for him. as i've said many times, i don't feel sorry for a guy like prince, I feel bad for the guy who's got to do mundane work for 30-40 years. Prince had a wonderful life and he was a very strong person, I know he had issues but I think he triumphed over most of them.

I so agree with you. I have been lurking for a while and reading the posts. There is a lot of feeling sorry for Prince happening. I have come to the same conclusion as you. This man had a fabulous life, wealth, talent, travel, international recognition and love, beautiful homes. Yes, just like every one of us, he had crappy things happen to him. All of us have crappy things happen to us. In total though, this was a life that lasted 57 years and he had experienced recognition and fame and adulation for the last 38 years (or so). He led the life he wanted to lead. That is what I call a good life and well lived.

We all must stay strong for Prince and stand for his legacy in every way possible. The entire planet is torn, we are sobbing, and are yearning for this to be a dream, a nightmare... We hurt for him and we're heartbroken of the circumstances. For us oldskoolers, we always knew he was a fragile being because we were aware he overcame a rough and lonely existence as a child in a frigid part of the Midwest US, and that is why we protected him spiritually. We've liked him since the beginning of his career. I am still not ready to let go... and I've never cried so much!

I will be crying for days more.. but I have to remember that Prince lived a fabulous and full life! He traveled the world, dined on the finest vegan foods, saw places we will never visit, met people from around the world of many cultures, had the chosen loves of his life, could buy anything in the world he wanted, owned mansions, and landspaces, had diamonds, pearls, and gold, as well as the finest couture. Prince fought for and maintained his artistic freedom, which meant everything to him.

And there was always positivity and order in Prince's life. We never heard drama or negative stories as he remained focused and straightforward in all his life's work. That STAGE was home to him and he loved us while we loved him back... And for all this... I am so eternally grateful!

[Edited 10/22/16 11:31am]

I thought about this too.

Prince didn't have a family or wife. He was alone. He felt his music was becoming stagnant and his close friends said he seemed a little depressed.

Music was Prince's life. If that goes away, what else is there?

Didn't Bria separate from him in 2013? His drug problem seemed to triple around 2014. I can tell when I watched Arseniol and when he walked out on the Grammy awards in that orange outfit, that he looked like he was on something. His eyes were all glassy.

I hope he is in eternal bliss now in the afterworld.

PRNluv2 said:

rogifan said:

Dini said:

PeteSilas said:

naw, no ones life is perfect but he had plenty of things go right for him. as i've said many times, i don't feel sorry for a guy like prince, I feel bad for the guy who's got to do mundane work for 30-40 years. Prince had a wonderful life and he was a very strong person, I know he had issues but I think he triumphed over most of them.

I so agree with you. I have been lurking for a while and reading the posts. There is a lot of feeling sorry for Prince happening. I have come to the same conclusion as you. This man had a fabulous life, wealth, talent, travel, international recognition and love, beautiful homes. Yes, just like every one of us, he had crappy things happen to him. All of us have crappy things happen to us. In total though, this was a life that lasted 57 years and he had experienced recognition and fame and adulation for the last 38 years (or so). He led the life he wanted to lead. That is what I call a good life and well lived.

Agreed and we should celebrate how he lived and not how he died. The constant questioning of "why was he alone in the elevator", "where were his friends/family", "was he a lonely person", "why didn't someone help him", etc. gets really old and solves nothing. I know his death came as a complete shock to all of us and people want answers, but the endless speculations aren't going to bring him back. Let's just be thankful of the years we had with him while he was still on earth and enjoy all the great music he has left behind.

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