according to princevault, martika's kitchen was recorded december 1990 - early 1991.

also according to the vault, the sacrifice of victor was recorded early december 1991.

but i've just noticed that on the single release for martika's kitchen, there's a version
of the song called "martika's kitchen 5.20 version", which uses the basic beat for what
would later become "the sacrifice of victor".

so perhaps 'the sacrifice of victor' had a basic tracking about a year earlier than what
has previously been assumed?

well, if not, it's still a nice little tidbit that i just noticed. i love how prince's musical
universe is so big that you keep discovering things all the time, no matter how well
you thought you knew every single track.

dodger said:

Just listened, good spot. I suppose another link is Tony M - he's on the alt dub version. . And Boom Box has the same beat, and Work That Fat! . I agree it's crazy how we still find new things decades later

i'm actually *just* listening to that right now

and good call on boom box and work that fat. prince must have been fond of that beat

IstenSzek said:

according to princevault, martika's kitchen was recorded december 1990 - early 1991.

also according to the vault, the sacrifice of victor was recorded early december 1991.

but i've just noticed that on the single release for martika's kitchen, there's a version
of the song called "martika's kitchen 5.20 version", which uses the basic beat for what
would later become "the sacrifice of victor".

so perhaps 'the sacrifice of victor' had a basic tracking about a year earlier than what
has previously been assumed?

well, if not, it's still a nice little tidbit that i just noticed. i love how prince's musical
universe is so big that you keep discovering things all the time, no matter how well
you thought you knew every single track.

Good catch! Most lilely P just reused the idea on TSOV, he did that all the time.

databank said:

Good catch! Most lilely P just reused the idea on TSOV, he did that all the time.

i like how he got inspired by his own music the man was feeling himself

Funny, I thought these re-uses of a beat or rhythm were plain as day. The recent early version of "Fantasia Erotica" has similar sounds in it to some of the "Partyman" mixes as well as "Melody Cool".

"Thunder" can be heard to come out of the remixes and alt songs on the "New Power Generation" 12" single mixes.

listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/w...y4Scr_nbbI

and you hear "My Name is Prince"... where did that mix of Melody Cool come from?

ufoclub said:

Funny, I thought these re-uses of a beat or rhythm were plain as day. The recent early version of "Fantasia Erotica" has similar sounds in it to some of the "Partyman" mixes as well as "Melody Cool".

"Thunder" can be heard to come out of the remixes and alt songs on the "New Power Generation" 12" single mixes.

listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/w...y4Scr_nbbI

and you hear "My Name is Prince"... where did that mix of Melody Cool come from?

Wait--what "recent early version of 'Fantasia Erotica'""?

EddieC said:

ufoclub said:

Funny, I thought these re-uses of a beat or rhythm were plain as day. The recent early version of "Fantasia Erotica" has similar sounds in it to some of the "Partyman" mixes as well as "Melody Cool".

"Thunder" can be heard to come out of the remixes and alt songs on the "New Power Generation" 12" single mixes.

listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/w...y4Scr_nbbI

and you hear "My Name is Prince"... where did that mix of Melody Cool come from?

Wait--what "recent early version of 'Fantasia Erotica'""?

If you search youtube right now for The original Fantasia Erotica, you'll hear part of it. I saw it floating around on facebook, and Anna was even surprised by it.

IstenSzek said:

databank said:

Good catch! Most lilely P just reused the idea on TSOV, he did that all the time.

i like how he got inspired by his own music the man was feeling himself

I do that all the time. I think all artists do.

WRT Prince reusing elements form older songs: I recall a letter in Uptown which wondered about "319", because that song's sounds are apparently very close to Prince's "Batman era" sounds, yet there's no evidence "319" dates back to that time.

dodger said:

Just listened, good spot. I suppose another link is Tony M - he's on the alt dub version. . And Boom Box has the same beat, and Work That Fat! . I agree it's crazy how we still find new things decades later

I think Princevault states that Work That Fat IS the same music as Martikas Kitchen.

There's loads of cases of this - some obvious, some sutble.

Feel you up loop in a track from Newpower Soul springs to mind.

databank said:

IstenSzek said:

i like how he got inspired by his own music the man was feeling himself

I do that all the time. I think all artists do.

i don't think he was inspired by himself as much as when he developed a groove or percussion sound he uses it as the foundation for 3-4 different song ideas. He was basically using the same soil to grow different flowers. I think that it can also be used to track what songs actually were recorded around the same time.

For example, Good Love = The Future. Listen to the percussion on the beat and the rhythm noise. from the same initial tinkering session on that beat.

ufoclub said:

databank said:

I do that all the time. I think all artists do.

i don't think he was inspired by himself as much as when he developed a groove or percussion sound he uses it as the foundation for 3-4 different song ideas. He was basically using the same soil to grow different flowers. I think that it can also be used to track what songs actually were recorded around the same time.

For example, Good Love = The Future. Listen to the percussion on the beat and the rhythm noise. from the same initial tinkering session on that beat.

That's kind of what I meant: I will often remember an element from a piece I've written and use it in another later, in a more or less reworked form.

Prince didn't just do that with beats and grooves: engineers have reported that he would constantly reuse random elements from past unreleased songs into new cuts, and we have multiple examples of that. Just see how that recent outtake (the Bonnie Rait one, can't remember the title now) has the hor part that was reused in the totally unrelated live arrangement of Kiss. And it's happened so many times from the arabic riff in Rave/The Max to the orchestra in CB/TF and so on...

databank said:

ufoclub said:

i don't think he was inspired by himself as much as when he developed a groove or percussion sound he uses it as the foundation for 3-4 different song ideas. He was basically using the same soil to grow different flowers. I think that it can also be used to track what songs actually were recorded around the same time.

For example, Good Love = The Future. Listen to the percussion on the beat and the rhythm noise. from the same initial tinkering session on that beat.

That's kind of what I meant: I will often remember an element from a piece I've written and use it in another later, in a more or less reworked form.

Prince didn't just do that with beats and grooves: engineers have reported that he would constantly reuse random elements from past unreleased songs into new cuts, and we have multiple examples of that. Just see how that recent outtake (the Bonnie Rait one, can't remember the title now) has the hor part that was reused in the totally unrelated live arrangement of Kiss. And it's happened so many times from the arabic riff in Rave/The Max to the orchestra in CB/TF and so on...

oh yeah, his revival of instrument parts and vocal sampling was also really interesting. Like how "Acknowledge Me" contains stuff from "The Line" and "All My Dreams"... and it's a completely different kind of song then those two. Makes you wonder how he had easy access to those elements, considering the amount of recorded material he collected in the studio. People who have worked with him have said there's entire albums worth that have not surfaced in bootleg or information sites on Prince.