databank said:

luvsexy4all said:

wasnt one played during the ahdio shows?

No.

I know my shit, trust me with that

Noodled24 said:

databank said:

Of course Large Room is a full rerecording, IDK what nonsense Isten is saying. Probably confusing it with another track.

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1999TNM can be argued as being a remix because it uses several elements from the original (at least the linn drum machine and the opening "Don't worry" vocals, and I'm pretty sure the main synth line, some other synth and sound effects, P's background vocals, if not his lead voice but I'd have to compare both recordings). You could argue this is more like sampling parts of the old one but after all certain maxi-single remixes in the 90's were nearly entirely rerecorded but just because they retained a few elements from the original, if only the vocals or a few sounds, they were considered remixes. I actually hadn't thought of that and had dubbed 1999TNM a rerecording on my discography entry, but I now realize it was a mistake and I'll have to consider it a remix.

Just playing devils advocate for a second... In theory he could have re-recorded the entire song? He still had the old equipment?

How was it confirmed to be a remix rather than a re-recording? If it was a remix it points towards well preserved tapes?

Of course he had well preserved tapes, why wouldn't he?

Someone in-the-know revealed that Prince re-used tracks from the originals on nearly all those rerecordings (even though it sort of defeated the purpose because in theory, he wouldn't have been able to release any of those if elements belonged to WB, but as we could see WB was pretty much not bothering about P trespassing his rights from 1996 to 2001).

So even though it is not technically impossible that those parts that sound like the original were replayed, it's highly unlikely.

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databank said:

Noodled24 said:

Just playing devils advocate for a second... In theory he could have re-recorded the entire song? He still had the old equipment?

How was it confirmed to be a remix rather than a re-recording? If it was a remix it points towards well preserved tapes?

Of course he had well preserved tapes, why wouldn't he?

Just saying. Since there was speculation about the condition of the tapes in the vaults.

Someone in-the-know revealed that Prince re-used tracks from the originals on nearly all those rerecordings (even though it sort of defeated the purpose because in theory, he wouldn't have been able to release any of those if elements belonged to WB, but as we could see WB was pretty much not bothering about P trespassing his rights from 1996 to 2001).

I guess he could have claimed it was all re-recorded even if it wasn't.

So even though it is not technically impossible that those parts that sound like the original were replayed, it's highly unlikely.

I was just curious if it had been confirmed. The lead synth from "1999" for example. It seems like it would take more effort to go to the vault and get the tapes than it would to simply play it at a keyboard?

databank said:

IstenSzek said:

ho now

what i meant was that the original was never released and if we go on how prince spoke of such
releases, we have to say 'In A Large Room With No Light was never more than a demo or just a
working version until prince pulled it up again and decided to finish it'.

i know that's rediculous in a way, since i'm sure 100% of the released version are new tracks,
with nothing original surviving in that mix. but technically it's not a re-recording if the song was
never finished in the first place, let alone released.

In that sense yes, but it was confusing in the context of the conversation, given that it was about rerecording vs. remix.

Where did the Large Room surface on the NPGMC??

Noodled24 said:

databank said:

I guess he could have claimed it was all re-recorded even if it wasn't.

So even though it is not technically impossible that those parts that sound like the original were replayed, it's highly unlikely.

I was just curious if it had been confirmed. The lead synth from "1999" for example. It seems like it would take more effort to go to the vault and get the tapes than it would to simply play it at a keyboard?

Damn the Org has major bugs lately Where is ur reply and y do I have to reply in your box?

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The speculation about the tapes preservation is really just a hoax made-up by anti-fans since 2009, based on the declarations of an engineer who had left Paisley Park in 1994 and said that at that time, no effort had been made to digitalize the tapes, i.e. it's sheer nonsense because we don't know what's been done with them or not since 1994, but some people were all too happy to have found a new thing to accuse Prince of. Prince used old 80's tapes for Crystal Ball and NPGMC, as well as Rave, at about the same time he rerecorded 1999, and obviously those tapes were in perfect conditions at the time.

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He could have claimed it was all rerecorded but had WB sued, he would have lost.

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According to several past engineers, Prince would all the time send them to the vault to recover such or such tapes, so he could re-use a track from it on a new song (and we have countless examples of songs indeed containing elements from an older track). Obviously Prince wouldn't waste his time searching for them himself, he'd tell the engineer "find me that song, from such date", and would use the tracks he needed once the engineer would be back with it. So no.

muleFunk said:

databank said:

In that sense yes, but it was confusing in the context of the conversation, given that it was about rerecording vs. remix.

Where did the Large Room surface on the NPGMC??

It didn't, it was streamed on the Montreux website in July 2009, and it's a new recording with John, Rhonda and Renato, not the bootleg one.

databank said:

muleFunk said:

Where did the Large Room surface on the NPGMC??

It didn't, it was streamed on the Montreux website in July 2009, and it's a new recording with John, Rhonda and Renato, not the bootleg one.

Thanks for jogging my memory.

databank said:

Damn the Org has major bugs lately Where is ur reply and y do I have to reply in your box?

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The speculation about the tapes preservation is really just a hoax made-up by anti-fans since 2009, based on the declarations of an engineer who had left Paisley Park in 1994 and said that at that time, no effort had been made to digitalize the tapes, i.e. it's sheer nonsense because we don't know what's been done with them or not since 1994, but some people were all too happy to have found a new thing to accuse Prince of. Prince used old 80's tapes for Crystal Ball and NPGMC, as well as Rave, at about the same time he rerecorded 1999, and obviously those tapes were in perfect conditions at the time.

Thanks for the info... I didn't know Rave was sourced from old tapes. I'd swear blind those were new vocals?
Granted of course my only frame of reference was the sample of RAVE used in 200 Balloons, which must have been played at a faster tempo to mix into 200B.

He could have claimed it was all rerecorded but had WB sued, he would have lost.

Assuming he was playing fair. I mean in this hypothetical discussion, had WB sued Prince could have just duplicated the tapes and claimed it was a re-record.

According to several past engineers, Prince would all the time send them to the vault to recover such or such tapes, so he could re-use a track from it on a new song (and we have countless examples of songs indeed containing elements from an older track). Obviously Prince wouldn't waste his time searching for them himself, he'd tell the engineer "find me that song, from such date", and would use the tracks he needed once the engineer would be back with it. So no.

Understood. I'm aware he used to bring things out the vault all the time.

All I was saying is that, the lead synth on 1999 isn't that complex. It's a 6 minute song. If you're Prince I bet you could play those 6 minutes faster than an engineer could get to the vault pickup the tapes and bring them back to the studio. (although granted Prince likely phoned an engineer and told them to have it ready when he got there)

Noodled24 said:

databank said:

Thanks for the info... I didn't know Rave was sourced from old tapes. I'd swear blind those were new vocals?
Granted of course my only frame of reference was the sample of RAVE used in 200 Balloons, which must have been played at a faster tempo to mix into 200B.

The original is in fact circulating. IDK exactly what he reworked and never cared 2 compare both versions but he didn't change much.

Assuming he was playing fair. I mean in this hypothetical discussion, had WB sued Prince could have just duplicated the tapes and claimed it was a re-record.

I think WB's lawyers wouldn't have failed 2 make their point in court, one way or another. If we can tell with near certitude some elements in 1999 r from the original...

Understood. I'm aware he used to bring things out the vault all the time.

All I was saying is that, the lead synth on 1999 isn't that complex. It's a 6 minute song. If you're Prince I bet you could play those 6 minutes faster than an engineer could get to the vault pickup the tapes and bring them back to the studio. (although granted Prince likely phoned an engineer and told them to have it ready when he got there)

Fair enough but u'd need the exact same keyboard with the exact same settings, and similar engineering conditions to make it sound exactly like the original, + if he needed some elements, anyway he'd have the whole multitracks. IDK really, it may have been easier to rerecord many things that he didn't rerecord each time he sampled himself, so I guess he had his reasons.