Mumio said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

I do have concerns that info from people who are well-versed in the field are not being seen as the professionals they are. That's a real problem and we are venturing into "hearsay" territory.

People have come on this board who said they were doctors and nurses who believed he had an terminal illness but those people were blown off as well.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

I do have concerns that info from people who are well-versed in the field are not being seen as the professionals they are. That's a real problem and we are venturing into "hearsay" territory.

People have come on this board who said they were doctors and nurses who believed he had an terminal illness but those people were blown off as well.

Yep, you are right about that laurarichardson but I am not one of those people. I have not wavered one inch from what I initially said way back in April about what I thought went on. I do want to thank you for the amazing amount of time you've spent researching and posting here to help clarify what has been going on. You've provided a great deal of information...

muleFunk said:

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: His siblings, Duane and Lorna Nelson, would also disagree: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-kornfeld/ Regarding your comment "prescriptions in other names", please see 12th para down (where original story starts - after correction disclaimer): http://www.startribune.co...390850001/

Duane and Lorna Nelson are dead and have been dead for years and their lawyer fed this information to the press after the man's death.

Prince was sued twice by Lorna and he fired Duane after his cocaine addiction led him to be one of the sources for bootleg leakage. The lawyer was also representing the families of the dead Nelson siblings recently and is owed money by the estates. So he is selling information to tabloids.

Thank you for bring this up again. I am amazed that this asshole attorney can sell crap to the tabs but no one from those same tabs can take the time to find out what a violent and distrubed person Duane was.

He beat up his girlfriend outside of Paisley Park which resulted in a lawsuit, beat up another woman outside of a nightclub, shot a gun at a process server and stole music and put it out on the bootlegg market. He spent time in a mental institution and jail. He is son beat up his wife and turned a gun on himself and commiteed sucide.

Prince is the awful druggy and his insane pretend brother's comments are suppose to mean something.

laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

Duane and Lorna Nelson are dead and have been dead for years and their lawyer fed this information to the press after the man's death.

Prince was sued twice by Lorna and he fired Duane after his cocaine addiction led him to be one of the sources for bootleg leakage. The lawyer was also representing the families of the dead Nelson siblings recently and is owed money by the estates. So he is selling information to tabloids.

Thank you for bring this up again. I am amazed that this asshole attorney can sell crap to the tabs but no one from those same tabs can take the time to find out what a violent and distrubed person Duane was.

He beat up his girlfriend outside of Paisley Park which resulted in a lawsuit, beat up another woman outside of a nightclub, shot a gun at a process server and stole music and put it out on the bootlegg market. He spent time in a mental institution and jail. He is son beat up his wife and turned a gun on himself and commiteed sucide.

Prince is the awful druggy and his insane pretend brother's comments are suppose to mean something.

People also forget that Lorna sued Prince for stealing U Got the Look from HER and the judge threw the case out and laughed.

Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said:

"…Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc…"

"…The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working…"

"…I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing…"

"…-- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past…"

"…I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace…"

When somebody who is a convincingly genuine authority on a subject {such as you clearly are, Nooriginalusername}, is gracious enough to share your knowledge on the subject of your profession, some people, — myself included — find it easy to defer to your obvious knowledge — and extend to you the gratitude you deserve.

When somebody who obviously knows more about a subject than I do, schools me on something I didn't know before, I — for one — have no problem saying gratefully, "Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks for teaching me something that I didn't know…"

But then, there are people — I won't name names ; د ) — who find it impossible to accept that they might be wrong about something.

That kind of insecure personality will resort to anything to convince themselves that nobody else could ever know more about a given subject, than them — {the insecure person, that is}.

They're not interested in gaining knowledge or learning something they didn't know before. They're only interested in convincing themselves and others that they're always right.

I'm sure it's obvious by now, what you're up against here. But please don't let them discourage you from enlightening those of us who are interested in the stuff you have to share from your professional expertise, Nooriginalusername.

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

Here we go. I never said I was an expert on anything. I can read and the research is out there on this topic.

“Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance.”

I don’t have to be a part of a research trail to be able to read about them. Are you a doctor because you sound like a licensed substance abuse counselor which is not a medical doctor. Because some medical doctors are backing away from prescribing pain meds for the long haul due to the long term side effects and people becoming severely addicted.

I don’t care about the receptors in the brain the problem in a nutshell is that these pain meds can cause long term damage and many doctors don’t believe they should be used for pain management at all. If you are an addiction counselor you are dealing with people who are hooked and if doctors keep giving out these pills it keeps you employed.

“What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome.”

Yes, I have taken a statistics course and if you are implying that data is being manipulated to stop the wide spread use of pain pills the question would be why. Who is manipulating the data? Big Pharma wants to stay in the business of selling pain meds so that are not manipulating the data. So who is doing this? Right now the lawsuits and deaths are out there to back up what I am saying as this is becoming an epidemic. We are not talking about people using pain meds for recreation we are talking about people getting this stuff from their doctor and being over prescribed.

“Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out.”

First of all I doubt is 99% of the time and the 1% is important as anyone else. People are getting hooked on these pills because they are being prescribed for something as minor as a broken arm. I don’t think that every person who gets over prescribed is knocking back drinks while taking their meds. You can take out your liver by taking too much over the counter meds with acetaminophen and you don’t have to chase it with liquor.

Did anyone say that Prince was at the end stage of liver failure? He could have very well have been at the beginning or somewhere in the middle of that situation. What we do know is that he did not look good starting in January as those pics from Australia are showing a much different face than the pics from November of 2015. What we do know is that Dr.S wrote him meds that were not controlled substances and that he was bringing him test results the day he died. What we do know is that if he had any organ problems he would have had to stop taking pain meds as his organs would not be able to handle them anymore and we know how hard it is to get off of these meds. He was not in a rehab he was seeing Dr S on an outpatient basis for withdrawals. Why not just go in a rehab and gradually step down? What we do know is that his sister is saying that she knew he was going to die to years ago right around the time he got back his masters and set up the LLC. What we do know is that Dr. S is listed on at least one website as a critical care doctor and that he has no background in pain management or addiction.

All of the things I have listed are factual and the fact that he may have had an illness along with pain management issue are plausible.

“I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.”

Yes, because you know I grabbed the first article I saw and just used that for my theory.

You know this because you have ESP? I have done quite a lot of reading on this and I have spoken to medical professionals at no time have I said I am right and everybody else is wrong. I have a theory based on the facts that I believe is plausible. You have come here promoting the use of pain meds and ignoring the damages that they do to people and ignoring the odd things surrounding Prince’s homicide case.

I have NEVER once promoted the use of pain meds, nor have I ignored the damages that they do to people. NEVER once have I ignored the odd things around Prince's death. You clearly have great insecurities, as you are quick to make false accusations, dismiss someone as a "troll" or outright curse them out if they don't join in your hypothesis. What I do have issue with is:

!. People-such as yourself- who have cruelly slandered the name and reputation of other persons by accusing them of murder, without any factual evidence.

2. People-such as yourself- who won't even consider anyone else as legit. unless they agree with you.

3. People-such as yourself- who feel the need to curse at other members of this board and treat others with blatent disrespect, trying to turn other posters against them and creating school yard drama, yet become hyperdefensive when anyone questions your thoughts or asks for evidence. I note you rare provide where you get your information when asked.

4. People -such as yourself-who throw out medical information as fact because they have "talked" to someone or read it and believe that makes them more knowledgable than someone who actually is an educated and licensed professional.

You can dance your happy dance because this is quite possibly the last post or visit I will make to this site. For the life of me, I can't understand how the moderators would even allow the nonsense that goes on here to continue if they hope this would be a respected and legitimate site. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that a community of persons who claim to be fans of Prince would come to a site and be so nasty and disrespectful of one another and towards him, his family members and his friends. Clearly few here are interested in intellegent discourse about the Artist, his accomplishments or his music- nor finding the truth about what happened, it's just a bunch of people trying to prove they're right through what ever means they can find somewhere on the web. Good luck eating each other alive.

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[Edited 11/1/16 18:40pm]

Nooriginalusername said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I have NEVER once promoted the use of pain meds, nor have I ignored the damages that they do to people. NEVER once have I ignored the odd things around Prince's death. You clearly have great insecurities, as you are quick to make false accusations, dismiss someone as a "troll" or outright curse them out if they don't join in your hypothesis. What I do have issue with is:

!. People-such as yourself- who have cruelly slandered the name and reputation of other persons by accusing them of murder, without any factual evidence.

2. People-such as yourself- who won't even consider anyone else as legit. unless they agree with you.

3. People-such as yourself- who feel the need to curse at other members of this board and treat others with blatent disrespect, trying to turn other posters against them and creating school yard drama, yet become hyperdefensive when anyone questions your thoughts or asks for evidence. I note you rare provide where you get your information when asked.

4. People -such as yourself-who throw out medical information as fact because they have "talked" to someone or read it and believe that makes them more knowledgable than someone who actually is an educated and licensed professional.

You can dance your happy dance because this is quite possibly the last post or visit I will make to this site. For the life of me, I can't understand how the moderators would even allow the nonsense that goes on here to continue if they hope this would be a respected and legitimate site. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that a community of persons who claim to be fans of Prince would come to a site and be so nasty and disrespectful of one another and towards him, his family members and his friends. Clearly few here are interested in intellegent discourse about the Artist, his accomplishments or his music- nor finding the truth about what happened, it's just a bunch of people trying to prove they're right through what ever means they can find somewhere on the web. Good luck eating each other alive.

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Noname, thank you. I'm probagly guilty myself of some what you mention here (i ain't perfect and not afraid to say it), but I appreciate your wise words. I know that I have drawn the line at cursing and throwing personal insults ("moron," etc.) at other posters, no matter how frustrating I find them. If others would do at least that, it could make these threads more inviting places.

[Edited 11/1/16 19:32pm]

It wasn't a terminal illness that killed him, it was an illegal street drug.

Nooriginalusername said:

I have NEVER once promoted the use of pain meds, nor have I ignored the damages that they do to people. NEVER once have I ignored the odd things around Prince's death. You clearly have great insecurities, as you are quick to make false accusations, dismiss someone as a "troll" or outright curse them out if they don't join in your hypothesis. What I do have issue with is:

!. People-such as yourself- who have cruelly slandered the name and reputation of other persons by accusing them of murder, without any factual evidence.

2. People-such as yourself- who won't even consider anyone else as legit. unless they agree with you.

3. People-such as yourself- who feel the need to curse at other members of this board and treat others with blatent disrespect, trying to turn other posters against them and creating school yard drama, yet become hyperdefensive when anyone questions your thoughts or asks for evidence. I note you rare provide where you get your information when asked.

4. People -such as yourself-who throw out medical information as fact because they have "talked" to someone or read it and believe that makes them more knowledgable than someone who actually is an educated and licensed professional.

You can dance your happy dance because this is quite possibly the last post or visit I will make to this site. For the life of me, I can't understand how the moderators would even allow the nonsense that goes on here to continue if they hope this would be a respected and legitimate site. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that a community of persons who claim to be fans of Prince would come to a site and be so nasty and disrespectful of one another and towards him, his family members and his friends. Clearly few here are interested in intellegent discourse about the Artist, his accomplishments or his music- nor finding the truth about what happened, it's just a bunch of people trying to prove they're right through what ever means they can find somewhere on the web. Good luck eating each other alive.

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[Edited 11/1/16 18:40pm]

Nooriginalusername, Please don't stop posting. You always have such good discussions with everyone and you give such good insight into the threads. Please stay.

I've said this a few times before: The most plausible explanation is that Prince was addicted to prescription pain medication and he may have inadvertently played Russian roulette with these illicit pills for some time. His illness was his chronic pain.

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But unlike other people, he didn't seem to have sought or accepted help or only when it got too late.

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I can imagine only some people around him would have known or paid enough attention to see what was going on. How can anyone blame them though? He was a victim of his unique circumstances. He made his own decisions and he was a bit idiosyncratic.

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I posted this before also. What his cousin Chazz Smith said in an interview gives a clue and is very poignant:

"Being free enough to be able to say, 'I'm not doing well today, I'm in pain, can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?'" Smith told the station. "That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn."

http://www.iloveoldschool...on/?kkpg=3

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The whole thing is tragic and we should leave it at that. People should stop making up bullshit theories.

disch said:

Nooriginalusername said:

"…I have NEVER once promoted the use of pain meds, nor have I ignored the damages that they do to people. NEVER once have I ignored the odd things around Prince's death. You clearly have great insecurities, as you are quick to make false accusations, dismiss someone as a "troll" or outright curse them out if they don't join in your hypothesis. What I do have issue with is:…"

"…!. People-such as yourself- who have cruelly slandered the name and reputation of other persons by accusing them of murder, without any factual evidence…"

"…2. People-such as yourself- who won't even consider anyone else as legit. unless they agree with you…"

"…3. People-such as yourself- who feel the need to curse at other members of this board and treat others with blatent disrespect, trying to turn other posters against them and creating school yard drama, yet become hyperdefensive when anyone questions your thoughts or asks for evidence. I note you rare provide where you get your information when asked…"

"…4. People -such as yourself-who throw out medical information as fact because they have "talked" to someone or read it and believe that makes them more knowledgable than someone who actually is an educated and licensed professional…"

"…You can dance your happy dance because this is quite possibly the last post or visit I will make to this site. For the life of me, I can't understand how the moderators would even allow the nonsense that goes on here to continue if they hope this would be a respected and legitimate site. Never in my wildest imagination would I have thought that a community of persons who claim to be fans of Prince would come to a site and be so nasty and disrespectful of one another and towards him, his family members and his friends. Clearly few here are interested in intellegent discourse about the Artist, his accomplishments or his music- nor finding the truth about what happened, it's just a bunch of people trying to prove they're right through what ever means they can find somewhere on the web. Good luck eating each other alive…"

"… Noname, thank you. I'm probagly guilty myself of some what you mention here (i ain't perfect and not afraid to say it), but I appreciate your wise words. I know that I have drawn the line at cursing and throwing personal insults ("moron," etc.) at other posters, no matter how frustrating I find them. If others would do at least that, it could make these threads more inviting places…"

disch, there's no way you're insulting. You're a saint compared to most here.

You deserve mad props for being able to suffer fools gladly ; د ) — with grace and aplomb. Something I could never do.

disch said:

PennyPurple said:

Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Plenty of evidence to show that long term effects of these meds are deadly and in some cases may make the pain worst

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

Thanks for that explanation. That is my understanding also, that he became tolerant to the medication and consequently needed more and more. His change in appearance within this context could mean either another medical condition or the medication abuse getting out of hand. But because nobody mentions ever seeing him under the influence of something, not even people that went to his concerts, I find it hard to believe his addiction became out of hand. OK, you have the downsizing that is P&M tour, Prince packing and carrying his own bags, less entourage means less people close to you, but still. For the most part Prince was always, and always seemed to others, in control.
By building up a tolerance to the medication, would doctors still provide him with bigger dosage or would they discourage it and thus he resorted to illegal pills?
Do you believe he did have a terminal disease and the fentanyl pill was an accident or that it was no accident?

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laurarichardson said:

muleFunk said:

Duane and Lorna Nelson are dead and have been dead for years and their lawyer fed this information to the press after the man's death.

Prince was sued twice by Lorna and he fired Duane after his cocaine addiction led him to be one of the sources for bootleg leakage. The lawyer was also representing the families of the dead Nelson siblings recently and is owed money by the estates. So he is selling information to tabloids.

Thank you for bring this up again. I am amazed that this asshole attorney can sell crap to the tabs but no one from those same tabs can take the time to find out what a violent and distrubed person Duane was.

He beat up his girlfriend outside of Paisley Park which resulted in a lawsuit, beat up another woman outside of a nightclub, shot a gun at a process server and stole music and put it out on the bootlegg market. He spent time in a mental institution and jail. He is son beat up his wife and turned a gun on himself and commiteed sucide.

Prince is the awful druggy and his insane pretend brother's comments are suppose to mean something.

Did you see that CJ (yes, her) in the Star Tribune has a piece about Brianna, his daughter? She is not letting her piece of Prince's pie go easily. And she is going to write a book.

Superconductor said:

I've said this a few times before: The most plausible explanation is that Prince was addicted to prescription pain medication and he may have inadvertently played Russian roulette with these illicit pills for some time. His illness was his chronic pain.

.

But unlike other people, he didn't seem to have sought or accepted help or only when it got too late.

.

I can imagine only some people around him would have known or paid enough attention to see what was going on. How can anyone blame them though? He was a victim of his unique circumstances. He made his own decisions and he was a bit idiosyncratic.

.

I posted this before also. What his cousin Chazz Smith said in an interview gives a clue and is very poignant:

"Being free enough to be able to say, 'I'm not doing well today, I'm in pain, can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?'" Smith told the station. "That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn."

http://www.iloveoldschool...on/?kkpg=3

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The whole thing is tragic and we should leave it at that. People should stop making up bullshit theories.

The "Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?'" bit is quite telling.
Like Chazz is ackowledging Prince's position of knowing all, being all, controlling all, never making a mistake, never one to show weakness and that dependency being a weakness in his mind...

phatphuk said:

disch said:

"… Noname, thank you. I'm probagly guilty myself of some what you mention here (i ain't perfect and not afraid to say it), but I appreciate your wise words. I know that I have drawn the line at cursing and throwing personal insults ("moron," etc.) at other posters, no matter how frustrating I find them. If others would do at least that, it could make these threads more inviting places…"

disch, there's no way you're insulting. You're a saint compared to most here.

You deserve mad props for being able to suffer fools gladly ; د ) — with grace and aplomb. Something I could never do.

Aw, thanks Phatphuk. My patience does get tried here, but I try to behave at least somewhat like a grownup about it (you know, no tantrums, no bad words, no namecalling).

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And back at you: I appreciate your sense of humor. Not about P's death itself -- I don't think you find that particularly funny -- but about the inherent absurdity of a group of us, who don't actually know a damn thing, going around and around for months on a message board, thinking we're going to "crack the case" or something and coming up with incresingly specious (or even insane) theories. I think you take it all with just the right dose of seriousness (that is, not much).

CooperC62057 said:

The ME report clearly states "self-administered". P took the tablet he believed to be an opiate. Why he was taking them remains an unknown. How long he had been taking them remains an unknown. Was there some terminal illness existing remains an unknown. My mind will remain open to all possibilities and saying that, I read everyone's input with interest. However it ended up that this tablet contained fentanyl and who supplied/provided it, may justice be brought upon them. I do take issue with an earlier statement in the thread - no one is trying to make P the poster boy for drug addiction. That being said, we, as his army, if we can bring awareness to the dangers of opiate addiction to just one person and save them or their loved ones from suffering then it is worth whatever we need to do. I am all for those of us who wish to do so joining forces. Perhaps we should have our own thread to discuss this theory and course of action away from the thrashing of those who are not open minded to others points of view?

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Cooper: I totally agree with you. We don't have all the facts, and the death of Prince is still an ongoing homicide investigation, and we will probably keep getting fed tidbits for a while. Things do get heated here sometimes, but I think it's only because we love Prince and are passionate about finding the truth about what happened to him. Prince did not like drama and there is no need for fighting here; we all have our own strong opinions and we should just respect one another. I'm not saying you, but just in general here in this forum. I think we can all use our energies, in a positive way, towards seeking the truth. That is what I want.

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What we do know for a fact is that Prince died of a deadly cocktail of illegal Fentanyl that was laced with other deadly drugs. I entrust the authorities to leave no stone unturned, and I appreciate all of their efforts and hard work on finding the answers.

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Just my thoughts.

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Superconductor said:

"…I've said this a few times before: The most plausible explanation is that Prince was addicted to prescription pain medication and he may have inadvertently played Russian roulette with these illicit pills for some time. His illness was his chronic pain…"

"…But unlike other people, he didn't seem to have sought or accepted help or only when it got too late…

"…I can imagine only some people around him would have known or paid enough attention to see what was going on. How can anyone blame them though? He was a victim of his unique circumstances. He made his own decisions and he was a bit idiosyncratic…"

"…I posted this before also. What his cousin Chazz Smith said in an interview gives a clue and is very poignant:…"

"…“Being free enough to be able to say, 'I'm not doing well today, I'm in pain, can you guys help me? Are you going to make fun of me if I tell you that I am in need, I'm hurting?'” Smith told the station. “That's really a big lesson, that everybody needs to learn”…"

Good one, Superconductor

The cousin said this too…

Prince's death raises numerous questions about prior health — By Jeff Baenen & Amy Forliti — Associated Press — April 22, 2016:

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…Prince's cousin Chazz Smith said he could not comment on reports about Prince's health and would not say when he last saw his cousin…

…“I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy,” said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids…"

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1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

Thank you for bring this up again. I am amazed that this asshole attorney can sell crap to the tabs but no one from those same tabs can take the time to find out what a violent and distrubed person Duane was.

He beat up his girlfriend outside of Paisley Park which resulted in a lawsuit, beat up another woman outside of a nightclub, shot a gun at a process server and stole music and put it out on the bootlegg market. He spent time in a mental institution and jail. He is son beat up his wife and turned a gun on himself and commiteed sucide.

Prince is the awful druggy and his insane pretend brother's comments are suppose to mean something.

Did you see that CJ (yes, her) in the Star Tribune has a piece about Brianna, his daughter? She is not letting her piece of Prince's pie go easily. And she is going to write a book.

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Judge denied their claims:

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http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/minnesota-judge-drops-claim-princes-estate/story?id=43100385

disch said:

phatphuk said:

"…disch, there's no way you're insulting. You're a saint compared to most here…

"…You deserve mad props for being able to suffer fools gladly ; ? ) — with grace and aplomb. Something I could never do…

"…Aw, thanks Phatphuk. My patience does get tried here, but I try to behave at least somewhat like a grownup about it (you know, no tantrums, no bad words, no namecalling)…

"…And back at you: I appreciate your sense of humor. Not about P's death itself -- I don't think you find that particularly funny -- but about the inherent absurdity of a group of us, who don't actually know a damn thing, going around and around for months on a message board, thinking we're going to "crack the case" or something and coming up with incresingly specious (or even insane) theories. I think you take it all with just the right dose of seriousness (that is, not much)…

It's so neat when somebody I respect, gets me

Though I'm an atheist, there is one particular belief about death that I have in common with Jehovah's Witness beliefs…

The Beliefs and Practices of Jehovah’s Witness

Life after death?

"…Members believe that, “…at death, humans cease to exist. The dead know, feel, and experience absolutely nothing.” Death is compared to sleep, because there is no consciousness, activity, or awareness of one’s surroundings…"

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herb4 said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering why 3/4 of this isn't in the gossip and hearsay thread. There used to be legitimate, insightful and factual information on this thread but the train has clearly derailed. Sad, I was excited for thoughtful, engaging discussion on Prince's music and creative genius. I had no idea the Org was basically a Prince themed TMZ site.

Prince's death has brought out the lunacy here. This place didn't used to be like this. It was more or less a place for general info about new music and the subsequent arguments about how good it was, usually sharply divided amongst fans of certain genres; R&B, ROCK and hip hop.

I think Prince's unfortunate death broke the brains of roughly 1/3 of our more ardent members and genuinely exposed the posters who simply liked him and his music from those who centered their entire world around his existence. I've done some research on this matter and apparently it's quite common. Cobain, Hendrix, Tupac, MJ, Elvis, Marylin Monroe, JFK...anyone who dies before their time basically...simply because they're famous means There Must Be More to It.

The grief and the profound sense of loss people feel having attached themselves and investing their self identity so much to a complete stranger...it tends to bring the lunatics out to the forefront, primarily because those fans attached so much of their sense of self to someone they basically worshipped without even having known them or met them in person.

Long story short: a LOT of people here seem to have used thier fanaticism, Prince's music and even Prince himself as so much an identifier of Who They Are as PEOPLE, that when he passed away they lost a significant portion of their own identity. Like, they can't imagine living in a world without him. They quote the Bible and then ignore the parts about false idols. It's some sort of ass backwards defense mechanism born of an inate sense of insecurity that I've seen hundreds of times but have never been able ot wrap my head around.

Herb, just because you have not read, heard, or seen pictures of every single person that Prince had relationships with does not mean that the relationships didn't exist. You don’t know everyone who posts here so you can’t say that people have attached a lot of meaning to “someone that they didn’t know or never even met” . In fact, there are people here who could very well have met and known him. ‘Real’ for some…..not-Real for others; understand that it is very Real for every single person who is feeling pain and loss right now. Have a little patience and compassion.

Just so there's no confusion or twisting-of-words of what the cousin — Chazz Smith — means when he shares his inside knowledge of Prince's health…

Prince's death raises numerous questions about prior health — By Jeff Baenen & Amy Forliti — Associated Press — April 22, 2016:

"…Prince's cousin Chazz Smith said he could not comment on reports about Prince's health and would not say when he last saw his cousin…"

"…“I can tell you this: What I know is that he was perfectly healthy,” said Smith, who formed a band with Prince when they were kids…"

… what the cousin means, is this: “What I know is that he did not have organ failure or a terminal illness”.

Short of Prince reconstituting himself from the ashes, and telling us to our faces that he was perfectly healthy before he died, Prince's pre-mortem health status as reported by the cousin is as close to The Truth Walking Up To You And Slapping You In The Face as we're ever going to get. In my opinion.

disch said:

But what if he was struggling with addiction and that's a big part of why he overdosed and died? What would be the correct way for the "the media" to report on that? And why would the fact that he struggled with addiction mean he can't also be a legend, genius and incredible person? Why do you view those things as exclusive of each other?

cloveringold85 said:

I don't like the media labeling Prince as a drug addict, which is what most people who follow everything the media says will believe, unfortunately.

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Prince was a legend. I will remember him for the genius he was and incredible person.

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I'm not saying Prince didn't struggle with addiction (dependency). I'm just saying that Prince wouldn't want his fans to remember him as a drug-addict, because he wasn't one. The media has talked a lot of trash about him, and mostly untruths. Let me rephrase, "some" of the media (not all). Please, don't take that the wrong way.

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I don't think that because he struggled with prescription drug use for his pain that he could not be remembered as a legend. I'm sorry you got that impression. I don't see where I said that.

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What I mean is that most people will remember him as another rock star who overdosed, and not remember him for all he gave to us through his music and humanitarian efforts. I've seen really hurtful things being said about Prince around the internet, saying things like "glad he o.d., another drug addict, the purple rain singer"......No, he was more than the person who sang Purple Rain. Some people are ignorant, but what can you do?

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I think these forums are not the best way to communicate, as people's words can be so easily misconstrued.

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I guess you're getting at a semantic issue -- a difference between "someone struggling with addiction" vs "drug addict." I myself don't know if there's a practical difference between those 2 terms, other than whatever stigma-based connotations some people may have around them (which, as I've said many times when we were discussing stigmas, I don't share personally and I feel are regressive relics. I do think generally it's nice not to use nouns -- "drug addict" -- when you can use adjective-type descriptors -- "a person struggling with addiction" -- as the noun version makes it sound like the person's entire identity is synonymous wth this one aspect of their life. But I digress).

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As far as how people will remember Prince, I look toward other rock stars who met drug-related ends. Jim Morrison, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and many more. I think these people are regarded as rock legends (Hall of Fame inductees, adorning teenagers' walls for decades, etc.) and their music is still held in high esteem by most (Prince himself had Jimi Hendrix painted on his Paisley Park "influences" wall, plus there was an illustration of Hendrix laying on Prince's office table for some reason when I went on the PP tour). I don't think their legacies were destroyed because of what caused their death.

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If some people are saying hurtful things on the internet -- I mean, that's kinda part for the course generally online (hell, look at stuff hurled around on this thread ). I don't sweat that too much myself. And frankly those people were probably saying very rude things about Prince when he was alive too. I've seen FAR more outpouring of love and respect myself. Where I live (New York City) there have been many different kinds of tributes, all just overflowing with people who adore Prince (I've attended several myself).

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

But what if he was struggling with addiction and that's a big part of why he overdosed and died? What would be the correct way for the "the media" to report on that? And why would the fact that he struggled with addiction mean he can't also be a legend, genius and incredible person? Why do you view those things as exclusive of each other?

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I'm not saying Prince didn't struggle with addiction (dependency). I'm just saying that Prince wouldn't want his fans to remember him as a drug-addict, because he wasn't one. The media has talked a lot of trash about him, and mostly untruths. Let me rephrase, "some" of the media (not all). Please, don't take that the wrong way.

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I don't think that because he struggled with prescription drug use for his pain that he could not be remembered as a legend. I'm sorry you got that impression. I don't see where I said that.

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What I mean is that most people will remember him as another rock star who overdosed, and not remember him for all he gave to us through his music and humanitarian efforts. I've seen really hurtful things being said about Prince around the internet, saying things like "glad he o.d., another drug addict, the purple rain singer"......No, he was more than the person who sang Purple Rain. Some people are ignorant, but what can you do?

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I think these forums are not the best way to communicate, as people's words can be so easily misconstrued.

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cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

I guess you're getting at a semantic issue -- a difference between "someone struggling with addiction" vs "drug addict." I myself don't know if there's a practical difference between those 2 terms, other than whatever stigma-based connotations some people may have around them (which, as I've said many times when we were discussing stigmas, I don't share personally and I feel are regressive relics. I do think generally it's nice not to use nouns -- "drug addict" -- when you can use adjective-type descriptors -- "a person struggling with addiction" -- as the noun version makes it sound like the person's entire identity is synonymous wth this one aspect of their life. But I digress).

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As far as how people will remember Prince, I look toward other rock stars who met drug-related ends. Jim Morrison, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin and many more. I think these people are regarded as rock legends (Hall of Fame inductees, adorning teenagers' walls for decades, etc.) and their music is still held in high esteem by most (Prince himself had Jimi Hendrix painted on his Paisley Park "influences" wall, plus there was an illustration of Hendrix laying on Prince's office table for some reason when I went on the PP tour). I don't think their legacies were destroyed because of what caused their death.

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If some people are saying hurtful things on the internet -- I mean, that's kinda part for the course generally online (hell, look at stuff hurled around on this thread ). I don't sweat that too much myself. And frankly those people were probably saying very rude things about Prince when he was alive too. I've seen FAR more outpouring of love and respect myself. Where I live (New York City) there have been many different kinds of tributes, all just overflowing with people who adore Prince (I've attended several myself).

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not saying Prince didn't struggle with addiction (dependency). I'm just saying that Prince wouldn't want his fans to remember him as a drug-addict, because he wasn't one. The media has talked a lot of trash about him, and mostly untruths. Let me rephrase, "some" of the media (not all). Please, don't take that the wrong way.

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I don't think that because he struggled with prescription drug use for his pain that he could not be remembered as a legend. I'm sorry you got that impression. I don't see where I said that.

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What I mean is that most people will remember him as another rock star who overdosed, and not remember him for all he gave to us through his music and humanitarian efforts. I've seen really hurtful things being said about Prince around the internet, saying things like "glad he o.d., another drug addict, the purple rain singer"......No, he was more than the person who sang Purple Rain. Some people are ignorant, but what can you do?

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I think these forums are not the best way to communicate, as people's words can be so easily misconstrued.

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I agree. There is no difference between the two terms. Saying a person is struggling with addiction is perhaps more sympathetic to the person's ailment, but is exactly as saying someone's is a drug addict. The ailment is there and is the same. The stigma around that specific expression is at fault here.

MMJas said: