Thought I would share this with y'all. An interview with one of Prince's former lawyer's/managers, L. Londell McMillan. He knew Prince for 25-years and said he never saw anything in Prince that would suggest he was using drugs!.

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Londell McMillan said:

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Lawyer L. Londell McMillan had known Prince for 25 years and at one time was his manager.

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In a phone interview Monday night, he told The Associated Press he spoke to Prince the Sunday before he died, after it was reported that his plane made an emergency landing to deal with a medical emergency involving the singer.

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Prince assured McMillan he was fine.

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“He said he was doing perfect,” McMillan recalled. “He said, ‘OK, I’ll call you soon.'”

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Asked about the TMZ report, McMillan said that while Prince may have been in pain and may have taken medication from time to time, he was “not on any drugs that would be any cause for concern.”

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“People use medication. The question is, are you on meds in a dangerous way?” he said.

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McMillan noted that Prince, a vegan, was known for his clean lifestyle.

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“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

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https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2016/04/26/princes-lawyer-death-a-shock-singer-led-clean-lifestyle/

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Nooriginalusername said:

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

This is excellent NOUN, and I agree with every word of it. Noting that there are other mitigating factors is critical in my opinion. Thank you for putting it out there so clearly and concisely. I really appreciate your words. I do think at some point we will hear what really happened, it's only a matter of time.

McMillan has been very involved in the estate fyi.

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As for his "drugged up" comment, you should check out Nooriginalnames' observations (the post right before yours) from his/her ten+ years working with opioid addicts. According to him/her, the "drugged up" stereotype does not necessarily apply to opioid addicts (noname, feel free to chime in if i mischaracterized that).

cloveringold85 said:

Thought I would share this with y'all. An interview with one of Prince's former lawyer's/managers, L. Londell McMillan. He knew Prince for 25-years and said he never saw anything in Prince that would suggest he was using drugs!.

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Londell McMillan said:

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Lawyer L. Londell McMillan had known Prince for 25 years and at one time was his manager.

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In a phone interview Monday night, he told The Associated Press he spoke to Prince the Sunday before he died, after it was reported that his plane made an emergency landing to deal with a medical emergency involving the singer.

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Prince assured McMillan he was fine.

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“He said he was doing perfect,” McMillan recalled. “He said, ‘OK, I’ll call you soon.'”

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Asked about the TMZ report, McMillan said that while Prince may have been in pain and may have taken medication from time to time, he was “not on any drugs that would be any cause for concern.”

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“People use medication. The question is, are you on meds in a dangerous way?” he said.

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McMillan noted that Prince, a vegan, was known for his clean lifestyle.

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“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

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https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2016/04/26/princes-lawyer-death-a-shock-singer-led-clean-lifestyle/

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cloveringold85 said:

“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

More fuel for the fire. That man did not use opiates to get high, there was something much more serious going on. Tyka all but said it, they (inner circle) know it, they just aren't saying for whatever reason. Thing is, for many of us, there is nothing at all that anyone could say/reveal that would make us love him any less.

Nooriginalusername said:

-- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past.

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

There seems to be no proof of Prince being addicted to drugs prescription or street...until the last 24 hrs before his death, then it was some pill stamped to look like another pill laced with fentanyl. My Some people seem to be using Princes death to further an agenda of opioid/drug addiction.... There is no proof Prince was on anything, there does seem to be proof he WAS NOT addicted, no dr shopping, prescriptions in other names etc....right down to how he acted, not like someone addicted to drugs. Prince would not like to be remembered this way...as he lived a clean life and did not like drugs around him. He always said don't listen to the media....I am not and I don't care for how they are treating him.

His siblings, Duane and Lorna Nelson, would also disagree: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-kornfeld/ Regarding your comment "prescriptions in other names", please see 12th para down (where original story starts - after correction disclaimer): http://www.startribune.co...390850001/

Duane and Lorna Nelson are dead and have been dead for years and their lawyer fed this information to the press after the man's death.

Prince was sued twice by Lorna and he fired Duane after his cocaine addiction led him to be one of the sources for bootleg leakage. The lawyer was also representing the families of the dead Nelson siblings recently and is owed money by the estates. So he is selling information to tabloids.

McMillan said this 6 months ago, on April 26 -- well before it was confirmed by the ME that Prince died of a self-administered accidental fentanyl overdose -- so I'm not sure his comment constitutes new insight.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

More fuel for the fire. That man did not use opiates to get high, there was something much more serious going on. Tyka all but said it, they (inner circle) know it, they just aren't saying for whatever reason. Thing is, for many of us, there is nothing at all that anyone could say/reveal that would make us love him any less.

disch said:

McMillan has been very involved in the estate fyi.

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As for his "drugged up" comment, you should check out Nooriginalnames' observations (the post right before yours) from his/her ten+ years working with opioid addicts. According to him/her, the "drugged up" stereotype does not necessarily apply to opioid addicts (noname, feel free to chime in if i mischaracterized that).

cloveringold85 said:

Thought I would share this with y'all. An interview with one of Prince's former lawyer's/managers, L. Londell McMillan. He knew Prince for 25-years and said he never saw anything in Prince that would suggest he was using drugs!.

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Londell McMillan said:

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Lawyer L. Londell McMillan had known Prince for 25 years and at one time was his manager.

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In a phone interview Monday night, he told The Associated Press he spoke to Prince the Sunday before he died, after it was reported that his plane made an emergency landing to deal with a medical emergency involving the singer.

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Prince assured McMillan he was fine.

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“He said he was doing perfect,” McMillan recalled. “He said, ‘OK, I’ll call you soon.'”

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Asked about the TMZ report, McMillan said that while Prince may have been in pain and may have taken medication from time to time, he was “not on any drugs that would be any cause for concern.”

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“People use medication. The question is, are you on meds in a dangerous way?” he said.

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McMillan noted that Prince, a vegan, was known for his clean lifestyle.

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“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

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https://ww2.kqed.org/arts/2016/04/26/princes-lawyer-death-a-shock-singer-led-clean-lifestyle/

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Disch: BTW, Did you read/see my response to you yesterday? Reply #903?

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Yes, I read Noorginal's response and I agree. When a person is using long-term prescriptions (pain meds), it loses it's effect sometimes, and the dosage needs to be adjusted accordingly, or the prescription changed.

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I take prescription medicine and have my blood work done, regularly. The doctor will check and see if the meds are working as they should be.

Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

“Everybody who knows Prince knows he wasn’t walking around drugged up,” McMillan said. “That’s foolish. No one ever saw Prince and said, ‘He looks high.’ It wasn’t what he was about.”

More fuel for the fire. That man did not use opiates to get high, there was something much more serious going on. Tyka all but said it, they (inner circle) know it, they just aren't saying for whatever reason. Thing is, for many of us, there is nothing at all that anyone could say/reveal that would make us love him any less.

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Agreed

disch said:

McMillan said this 6 months ago, on April 26 -- well before it was confirmed by the ME that Prince died of a self-administered accidental fentanyl overdose -- so I'm not sure his comment constitutes new insight.

Mumio said:

More fuel for the fire. That man did not use opiates to get high, there was something much more serious going on. Tyka all but said it, they (inner circle) know it, they just aren't saying for whatever reason. Thing is, for many of us, there is nothing at all that anyone could say/reveal that would make us love him any less.

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Yes, the interview is from 6-months ago, before the known cause of death came out. I only posted it to reaffirm the fact that many people around Prince didn't see (observe) him as having any addiction/dependency problem. Just sharing the info.

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[Edited 11/1/16 14:46pm]

muleFunk said:

NotACleverName said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: His siblings, Duane and Lorna Nelson, would also disagree: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-kornfeld/ Regarding your comment "prescriptions in other names", please see 12th para down (where original story starts - after correction disclaimer): http://www.startribune.co...390850001/

Duane and Lorna Nelson are dead and have been dead for years and their lawyer fed this information to the press after the man's death.

Prince was sued twice by Lorna and he fired Duane after his cocaine addiction led him to be one of the sources for bootleg leakage. The lawyer was also representing the families of the dead Nelson siblings recently and is owed money by the estates. So he is selling information to tabloids.

Thank you muleFunk. I've been wondering if said lawyer has been here on the org, trolling for info

disch said:

McMillan said this 6 months ago, on April 26 -- well before it was confirmed by the ME that Prince died of a self-administered accidental fentanyl overdose -- so I'm not sure his comment constitutes new insight.

Mumio said:

More fuel for the fire. That man did not use opiates to get high, there was something much more serious going on. Tyka all but said it, they (inner circle) know it, they just aren't saying for whatever reason. Thing is, for many of us, there is nothing at all that anyone could say/reveal that would make us love him any less.

Thanks for your response. I didn't think it was new insight. Regardless though, I still think his info was accurate and is still true to this very day.

Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Plenty of evidence to show that long term effects of these meds are deadly and in some cases may make the pain worst

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

Long term use of opioids causes opioid induced hyperalgesia. Which is very, very painful. Long term use of opioids causes lots of problems with the body, there is no denying that.

PennyPurple said:

Nooriginalusername said:

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

Long term use of opioids causes opioid induced hyperalgesia. Which is very, very painful. Long term use of opioids causes lots of problems with the body, there is no denying that.

Here is a link that discusses Hyperalgesia

https://www.opiates.com/opiates/hyperalgesia/

zenarose said:

PennyPurple said:

Long term use of opioids causes opioid induced hyperalgesia. Which is very, very painful. Long term use of opioids causes lots of problems with the body, there is no denying that.

Here is a link that discusses Hyperalgesia

https://www.opiates.com/opiates/hyperalgesia/

I appreciate you all trying to piece together medical information when you are not licensed to do so but if you read the first two lines it explains exactly what I was referring to in an earlier post. It's about the tolerance to the opiate receptors in the brain.

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said:

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

-- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past.

Opioids can and do make certain types of pain worse.
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If for example you have abdominal pain and are prescribed opiates such as codeine or morphine to alleviate that pain, one of THE most common side-effects is reduced bowel motility. Over time, this can cause serious impaction which in itself can cause tremendous (chronic and acute) pain. If left untreated, or the opioid usage remains (or even INCREASED, in a mistaken attempt to relieve the pain of fecal impaction) the eventual result can be a fatal obstruction / intestinal rupture.
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I work with female patients with various chronic conditions - their pain is often exacerbated, sometimes eventually requiring surgical intervention, when doctors have mistakenly and repeatedly relied on opiates to 'resolve' those patients' initial issues.
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Nooriginalusername said:

zenarose said:

Here is a link that discusses Hyperalgesia

https://www.opiates.com/opiates/hyperalgesia/

I appreciate you all trying to piece together medical information when you are not licensed to do so but if you read the first two lines it explains exactly what I was referring to in an earlier post. It's about the tolerance to the opiate receptors in the brain.

Yes, I was in agreement with you as I had researched it a while back and I knew you were correct

on what you were saying. I will try not to be helpful and supply links.

Nooriginalusername said:

zenarose said:

Here is a link that discusses Hyperalgesia

https://www.opiates.com/opiates/hyperalgesia/

I appreciate you all trying to piece together medical information when you are not licensed to do so but if you read the first two lines it explains exactly what I was referring to in an earlier post. It's about the tolerance to the opiate receptors in the brain.

I never professed to be a licensed medical expert. What I am an expert in is, my hubby suffering everyday with chronic pain since 2002. And what we've been thru with the opioids and trust me, opioids do in fact cause more pain.

I'm not piecing together anything. I'm telling you for a fact these opioids DO cause pain, and they do cause damage to the body.

Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

anotherfan said:

"…There shouldn't be any shame or stigma with taking pain medication that folks need. I apologize if I offended anyone. If taking medicine is helping by all means take it. Pain can be unbearable.…"

"…I intended to be communicating that not having access to medications that can help with getting off of opiates is terrible. Folks are given these addictive meds to take without medicine that can help their bodies manage the withdrawal from them. Many are left to fend for themselves to get off the very medication they were told to take from there docs…"

"…Thank u for this!…"

"…Plenty of evidence to show that long term effects of these meds are deadly and in some cases may make the pain worst…"

"…Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc…"

"…The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working…"

"…I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing…"

Thanks for setting folks straight on that, Nooriginalusername!

On a related note … Chaka Khan and her sister both used the same opioid pain relieving substance that killed Prince. Both were more than likely using Fentanyl for at least the same amount of time that Prince used it — {or even longer, by most accounts}.

Here's what I'd ask the liver damage guild: If contracting liver damage is a guaranteed outcome of long-term pain pill usage, then why don't Chaka and her sister both have liver damage? Or whatever other organ failure people are wishing Prince suffered from? {That's not directed at you, by the way, Nooriginalusername}.

Chaka is also notorious for her long history of cocaine use. Is cocaine use "guaranteed to cause liver damage" too?

From all outward appearances, both the lovely Stevens sisters look like their internal organs {and their weight} are all intact, in this October 8, 2016 instagram photo. Also, there's something about Chaka's eyes that look very similar to how Prince's eyes started to look in the last few years…

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Nooriginalusername said:

- The point is that some people feel more intense pain with these meds. This issue and a rack of other long term side effects are real. It is really no different than the long term effects of drugs for other medical problems. You don't have to a doctor to know how to read.

Dibblekins said:

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said: -- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past.

Opioids can and do make certain types of pain worse.
.

If for example you have abdominal pain and are prescribed opiates such as codeine or morphine to alleviate that pain, one of THE most common side-effects is reduced bowel motility. Over time, this can cause serious impaction which in itself can cause tremendous (chronic and acute) pain. If left untreated, or the opioid usage remains (or even INCREASED, in a mistaken attempt to relieve the pain of fecal impaction) the eventual result can be a fatal obstruction / intestinal rupture.
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I work with female patients with various chronic conditions - their pain is often exacerbated, sometimes eventually requiring surgical intervention, when doctors have mistakenly and repeatedly relied on opiates to 'resolve' those patients' initial issues.
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Yep, You're right. My hubby has to take shots of Realistor to help the bowel problem.

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said:

Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc

The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working.

I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing.

-- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past.

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

phatphuk said:

-- Are you really this much of a moron? So far from what we know the Fentenyl was in his system the last hours of his life. The ME did not find that Prince was a long term user of the stuff. Do you not have the ability to read only a few years ago the DEA forced big pharama to cut back on the amount of acetaminophen in pain meds. If you look on the back of an aspirin bottle you will see a warning about liver damage from acetaminophen. As far as Chaka is concerned she is known as a Coke head and the Fentenyl business just came out of the clear blue sky for all we know she was high out of her ass when she made that statement but since the ME did not find Prince to be a long term user of Fentanyl what difference does her issues matter.
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PennyPurple said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I appreciate you all trying to piece together medical information when you are not licensed to do so but if you read the first two lines it explains exactly what I was referring to in an earlier post. It's about the tolerance to the opiate receptors in the brain.

I never professed to be a licensed medical expert. What I am an expert in is, my hubby suffering everyday with chronic pain since 2002. And what we've been thru with the opioids and trust me, opioids do in fact cause more pain.

I'm not piecing together anything. I'm telling you for a fact these opioids DO cause pain, and they do cause damage to the body.

I'm sorry for you and your husband. Living with chronic pain is an unbelievably difficult experience.And I'm going to be real careful and not give advice. Someone pointed out a very important distinction earlier- it isn't the pain meds causing the pain per se, its the medical complications that can result from long term use that can cause damage and pain. It's terrible cycle because the person experiences pain, takes meds, develops another serious conditions as a side effect and is given more meds for the pain caused by that condition-not the original medication. Ultimately its important that persons in these situations have doctors and professional they trust and that they advocate for themselves and their care.

Nooriginalusername said:

PennyPurple said:

I never professed to be a licensed medical expert. What I am an expert in is, my hubby suffering everyday with chronic pain since 2002. And what we've been thru with the opioids and trust me, opioids do in fact cause more pain.

I'm not piecing together anything. I'm telling you for a fact these opioids DO cause pain, and they do cause damage to the body.

I'm sorry for you and your husband. Living with chronic pain is an unbelievably difficult experience.And I'm going to be real careful and not give advice. Someone pointed out a very important distinction earlier- it isn't the pain meds causing the pain per se, its the medical complications that can result from long term use that can cause damage and pain. It's terrible cycle because the person experiences pain, takes meds, develops another serious conditions as a side effect and is given more meds for the pain caused by that condition-not the original medication. Ultimately its important that persons in these situations have doctors and professional they trust and that they advocate for themselves and their care.

Yes, it is a terrible cycle. Thank you for your kind words. We changed medical teams 4 years ago because the dose was so high, for 4 years they have been weaning him down 3 months at a time, we are almost at the end of this journey because in 3 months he will be off these meds.

Nooriginalusername said:

PennyPurple said:

I never professed to be a licensed medical expert. What I am an expert in is, my hubby suffering everyday with chronic pain since 2002. And what we've been thru with the opioids and trust me, opioids do in fact cause more pain.

I'm not piecing together anything. I'm telling you for a fact these opioids DO cause pain, and they do cause damage to the body.

I'm sorry for you and your husband. Living with chronic pain is an unbelievably difficult experience.And I'm going to be real careful and not give advice. Someone pointed out a very important distinction earlier- it isn't the pain meds causing the pain per se, its the medical complications that can result from long term use that can cause damage and pain. It's terrible cycle because the person experiences pain, takes meds, develops another serious conditions as a side effect and is given more meds for the pain caused by that condition-not the original medication. Ultimately its important that persons in these situations have doctors and professional they trust and that they advocate for themselves and their care.

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Nooriginal: I respect what you are saying here and respect your expertise. Your last sentence is very critical...., let me add....it's important to have a doctor you can TRUST and who will monitor your pain, and understand what methods of treatment/medications to use.

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laurarichardson said:

So far from what we know the Fentenyl was in his system the last hours of his life. The ME did not find that Prince was a long term user of the stuff.

since the ME did not find Prince to be a long term user of Fentanyl what difference does her issues matter.

Yeah......thanks for that.

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

I do have concerns that info from people who are well-versed in the field are not being seen as the professionals they are. That's a real problem and we are venturing into "hearsay" territory.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

So far from what we know the Fentenyl was in his system the last hours of his life. The ME did not find that Prince was a long term user of the stuff.

since the ME did not find Prince to be a long term user of Fentanyl what difference does her issues matter.

Yeah......thanks for that.

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I'm not familiar with Chaka's addiction issues. I never even knew she was addicted to Fentanyl until after Prince died. However, I give her props for speaking out on it and getting help.

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Mumio & Laura........I agree; Prince was not a long-time user of Fentanyl, and didn't have a prescription. We all know he got those deadly pills, illegally.

Nooriginalusername said:

laurarichardson said:

Nooriginalusername said: -- I don't doubt your work but are you a doctor? Because there is research out that is saying for some people these pain pills are causing deadly side effects over the long haul. No one has said everyone but now some doctors are moving away from prescribing pain meds as a form of pain management. I don't want to get into a back and forth but there is research that some people experience more pain over time and researchers believe the meds cause that to happen not the patient building up a tolerence. Only a few years ago was the antecephiaan reduced in many pain pills this is what can cause organ failure. We do know how long Prince was taking these meds and we don't know what he had been taking in the past. We do not know if he was on pain management sometime in the past.

I'm wondering are you a doctor, nurse or research assistant since you are persistent in putting out information based on "research" and presenting yourself as an expert in all matters. Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance. What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome. Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out. I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.

Here we go. I never said I was an expert on anything. I can read and the research is out there on this topic.

“Were you personally part of these research trials? I spent over 10 years in the field, am licensed by two states in multiple areas-including substance abuse and addiction treatment-and spent a majority of my time directly working in opiate abuse/addiction and have personally conducted and participated in many of these so called "research" studies, so I might happen not to be a troll and actually know a few things. BTW-I'm also a huge Prince fan I am not going into a medical presentation on opiate receptors and how the binder in the brain works to develop tolerance.”

I don’t have to be a part of a research trail to be able to read about them. Are you a doctor because you sound like a licensed substance abuse counselor which is not a medical doctor. Because some medical doctors are backing away from prescribing pain meds for the long haul due to the long term side effects and people becoming severely addicted.

I don’t care about the receptors in the brain the problem in a nutshell is that these pain meds can cause long term damage and many doctors don’t believe they should be used for pain management at all. If you are an addiction counselor you are dealing with people who are hooked and if doctors keep giving out these pills it keeps you employed.

“What I will say, if any of you have taken a statistics class in high school or beyond, you know that any research can be manipulated to produce the desired outcome.”

Yes, I have taken a statistics course and if you are implying that data is being manipulated to stop the wide spread use of pain pills the question would be why. Who is manipulating the data? Big Pharma wants to stay in the business of selling pain meds so that are not manipulating the data. So who is doing this? Right now the lawsuits and deaths are out there to back up what I am saying as this is becoming an epidemic. We are not talking about people using pain meds for recreation we are talking about people getting this stuff from their doctor and being over prescribed.

“Yes, people can experience a severe medical issue but 99% of the time it is because there is a coexisting medical condition. If you are taking massive amounts of acetaminophen AND abusing alcohol, you can end up with irreversible organ damage because the liver is already compromised due to the alcohol. If he were taking high enough doses for long enough to cause internal damage, believe me, it would be obvious to anyone around him. Even when one has a tolerance, the body eventually just shuts down and the person goes to sleep or passes out. One would be barely able to talk, let alone perform a concert and be coherent enough to play an instrument. I don't even know what you are ultimately trying to prove or point out.”

First of all I doubt is 99% of the time and the 1% is important as anyone else. People are getting hooked on these pills because they are being prescribed for something as minor as a broken arm. I don’t think that every person who gets over prescribed is knocking back drinks while taking their meds. You can take out your liver by taking too much over the counter meds with acetaminophen and you don’t have to chase it with liquor.

Did anyone say that Prince was at the end stage of liver failure? He could have very well have been at the beginning or somewhere in the middle of that situation. What we do know is that he did not look good starting in January as those pics from Australia are showing a much different face than the pics from November of 2015. What we do know is that Dr.S wrote him meds that were not controlled substances and that he was bringing him test results the day he died. What we do know is that if he had any organ problems he would have had to stop taking pain meds as his organs would not be able to handle them anymore and we know how hard it is to get off of these meds. He was not in a rehab he was seeing Dr S on an outpatient basis for withdrawals. Why not just go in a rehab and gradually step down? What we do know is that his sister is saying that she knew he was going to die to years ago right around the time he got back his masters and set up the LLC. What we do know is that Dr. S is listed on at least one website as a critical care doctor and that he has no background in pain management or addiction.

All of the things I have listed are factual and the fact that he may have had an illness along with pain management issue are plausible.

“I just think it is wise if we all approach the situation with care and caution and not grab the first article we see to cite as "evidence" to support our personal theory, that makes us no better than the irresponsible journalists who quote "unnamed sources"-they could be their grandma for all any one knows. Peace.”

Yes, because you know I grabbed the first article I saw and just used that for my theory.

You know this because you have ESP? I have done quite a lot of reading on this and I have spoken to medical professionals at no time have I said I am right and everybody else is wrong. I have a theory based on the facts that I believe is plausible. You have come here promoting the use of pain meds and ignoring the damages that they do to people and ignoring the odd things surrounding Prince’s homicide case.