There shouldn't be any shame or stigma with taking pain medication that folks need. I apologize if I offended anyone. If taking medicine is helping by all means take it. Pain can be unbearable. I intended to be communicating that not having access to medications that can help with getting off of opiates is terrible. Folks are given these addictive meds to take without medicine that can help their bodies manage the withdrawal from them. Many are left to fend for themselves to get off the very medication they were told to take from there docs. | |
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PurpleDiamonds1 said: There seems to be no proof of Prince being addicted to drugs prescription or street...until the last 24 hrs before his death, then it was some pill stamped to look like another pill laced with fentanyl. My ![]() Some people seem to be using Princes death to further an agenda of opioid/drug addiction.... There is no proof Prince was on anything, there does seem to be proof he WAS NOT addicted, no dr shopping, prescriptions in other names etc....right down to how he acted, not like someone addicted to drugs. Prince would not like to be remembered this way...as he lived a clean life and did not like drugs around him. He always said don't listen to the media....I am not and I don't care for how they are treating him. Sky Dangcil, Kim Berry and Van Jones would disagree with you: http://www.usmagazine.com...an-w206076 http://www.ibtimes.com/wa...ng-2368056 His siblings, Duane and Lorna Nelson, would also disagree: http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...-kornfeld/ Regarding your comment "prescriptions in other names", please see 12th para down (where original story starts - after correction disclaimer): http://www.startribune.co...390850001/ "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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Dangcl and Berry did not state that Prince was on any drugs. They only stated that Prince was in pain. Van Jones stated that he had no idea. Duane and Lorna never went public with the statement that their Lawyer made after Prince passed away. Why? Past that I quit reading. There is nothing there. I have researched and I can tell you that there is not a hint, not one shred of anything to be found that Prince used drugs EVER. That is, not until he passed away. | |
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Mkilpatrick74 said: anotherfan said: I really like the work Van Jones is doing through Advocates for Opiod Recovery. He seems dedicated to his late friend Prince. Professionally he seems to be wearing purple all the time since Prince died. It is such a shame that docs prescribe these addictive painkillers but more times than not perscriptions to help with getting off of the meds are not given. That plus the stigma just makes it overwhelming for too many. Why is it a shame doctors prescribe pain killers? What else would a person like Prince and myself who live in chronic pain supposed to do? I've tried everything possible out there to help my pain but there is zero alternative to help me. With my experience, doctors have been giving out scripts right and left for narcadics when they are NOT AT ALL needed!!!! It use to not be that way. Doctors use to ask you if you have tried anything over the counter, how they don't ask or suggest, they just give you opioids. Even to children !!! My 9 year old was given a prescription for acetaminophen with codeine 2 weeks ago !! You bet I told the doctor we don't want it. That stuff is serious and should only be used if necessary I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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zenarose said:
Dangcl and Berry did not state that Prince was on any drugs. They only stated that Prince was in pain. Van Jones stated that he had no idea. Duane and Lorna never went public with the statement that their Lawyer made after Prince passed away. Why? Past that I quit reading. There is nothing there. I have researched and I can tell you that there is not a hint, not one shred of anything to be found that Prince used drugs EVER. That is, not until he passed away. You really should take a peek at the ST article. [Edited 11/1/16 11:16am] "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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No, I have never said anything remotely like that. | |
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And I would do that again for what reason?? All their sources are "OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL". Have a
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zenarose said:
And I would do that again for what reason?? All their sources are "OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL". Have a
nice day. Oh, I see.....when you provide links that claim information was obtained through "OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL" sources, it is legit. When someone else does, it is not. Well, now that I know the rules by which you play, I understand the game better! "Go placidly amid the noise and the haste, and remember what peace there may be in silence......." ~ DESIDERATA ~ Max Ehrmann | |
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I don't think that a reputable outlet (such as the Strib, NYtimes, or AP) using unnamed sources immediately discredits the report. Unnamed sources are commonly used when the source can't have their name appear (because they haven't received permission to speak, or the place they work is leaking info but doesn't want to admit it, etc.). - I'm not saying people have to blindly accept news stories attributed to unnamed sources; be skeptical if you want. But these outlets adhere strict guidelines for using unnamed sources and it's not a code word for "the reporter is just making stuff up." I, myself, give more weight to the NYTimes, AP and Strib over, say, some dancer's cryptic instagram post from 4 months ago or sometihng.
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. That sounds wonderful, Zena!
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. Very good points. In reference to what JJ said about Prince being "on something". She had issues with Prince, so her comments probably came out of her anger towards him. Furthermore, Prince could have just been feeling extra happy or mellow that day, or whatever. I think we all have days like that. I have days when I feel a little goofy and playful, but that certainly does not mean I am "on something". . Prince was high on music and life!
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Why must PhatPhuk use up the ENTIRE screen to get his point across? And furthermore......Prince's Urn as his avatar and watermark??
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. I also wonder if Prince actually died on April 20th and not the 21st. Reports claimed that he could have been laying there for 6+ hours, so who knows!
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. I agree, there should be no shame in anyone who is seeking help for their pain. What angers me is these shitty doctor's who don't treat their patients properly, so they end up addicted and f-up beyond comprehension!! A good doctor will treat a person's addiction/dependency, accordingly, as each person's case is totally different. . Now, of course you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. If a person doesn't want help and wants to keep poisoning themselves with pain meds, then that's a different story. . I'm in no way saying this is what Prince did, because he died from illegal Fentanyl, and I believe he did not know what he was taking. Furthermore, P didn't even have any prescriptions for pain meds, but just saying.
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. I agree, Zena! Furthermore, if P had a problem with pills, I think that story would have leaked out to the public, because we know how TMZ is always the first to report the real news.
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. Olivia: I agree! Sometimes, the doctor does not always know what is best. I think people today are more educated because we have a wealth of information about drugs that can be easily accessed through the internet. If a doctor tries to prescribe me something that I feel I don't really need, I will say "no". A good doctor will listen to you and understand your needs and not try to push pills on you.
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anotherfan said: There shouldn't be any shame or stigma with taking pain medication that folks need. I apologize if I offended anyone. If taking medicine is helping by all means take it. Pain can be unbearable. I intended to be communicating that not having access to medications that can help with getting off of opiates is terrible. Folks are given these addictive meds to take without medicine that can help their bodies manage the withdrawal from them. Many are left to fend for themselves to get off the very medication they were told to take from there docs. Thank u for this! | |
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oliviacamron said: Mkilpatrick74 said: Why is it a shame doctors prescribe pain killers? What else would a person like Prince and myself who live in chronic pain supposed to do? I've tried everything possible out there to help my pain but there is zero alternative to help me. With my experience, doctors have been giving out scripts right and left for narcadics when they are NOT AT ALL needed!!!! It use to not be that way. Doctors use to ask you if you have tried anything over the counter, how they don't ask or suggest, they just give you opioids. Even to children !!! My 9 year old was given a prescription for acetaminophen with codeine 2 weeks ago !! You bet I told the doctor we don't want it. That stuff is serious and should only be used if necessary For sure ! No way should a child have access to narcotics / opioids unless they are having surgery. I agree!! | |
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. Disch: I agree with you; I would believe more credible sources such as AP, NYTimes, even when they use an "unnamed source", over other media outlets such as TMZ or National Enquirer. . I understand that they will use this when people aren't allowed to disclose their name or want to remain anonynmous; however, I feel it makes most people skeptical when someone is hiding their idenity. Not to mention it drives people crazy!! Just saying.
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Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end ![]() | |
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Thanks for sharing those links, NotACleverName. I remember reading the usmagazine one, back in May. But I forgot to bookmark it then. Thanks for finding it for us again. Keep 'em comin' “Sometimes People Don't Want To Hear The Truth Because They Don't Want Their Illusions Destroyed” — Friedrich Nietzsche | |
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[Edited 11/1/16 13:31pm] Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end ![]() | |
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Mumio said:
[Edited 11/1/16 14:22pm] I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R. | |
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zenarose said:
Dangcl and Berry did not state that Prince was on any drugs. They only stated that Prince was in pain. Van Jones stated that he had no idea. Duane and Lorna never went public with the statement that their Lawyer made after Prince passed away. Why? Past that I quit reading. There is nothing there. I have researched and I can tell you that there is not a hint, not one shred of anything to be found that Prince used drugs EVER. That is, not until he passed away. Agree with you Zena. Have only heard from friends and people in the music industry say over and over they are surprised about the fentanyl being given to Prince. He never had drugs around him. I will still choose to listen to what Prince told us...not what the media wants us to think. | |
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Not true. I worked with opiate addicts in both outpatient methadone and residential treatment centers for over 10 years. The types of medication that have been connected with Prince do not cause organ failure and death as has been mentioned multiple times. Yes, many of those addicted to opiates do have premature death but that is usually related to Hepititis C or HIV contracted through lifestyle of IV drug use. Many professionals have long term chronic addiction to pain meds. There are private residential treatment centers that do nothing but treat doctors, nurses and pharmacists. Many people are managed well on a medication protocol developed by a physician or psychiatrist that is certified in pain management. I personally know multiple people who used IV heroin, cocaine and took pills for decades and lived significantly longer than 57, so I do not believe the use of the medication led to a medical crisis in the sense of organ damage, etc The meds do not make the pain worse. The user builds up a tolerance, where they need higher doses or a different type of medication to manage the pain. The pills don't make it worse, they just stop working. I am truly bothered by his change in appearance over the 9 or so months prior to his passing. It is possible that the change was related to abuse of the medications, but if he were using enough to cause that significant of a change in his appearance, everyone around him would have known and he couldn't possibly have toured like he did. I believe that its equally possible that there was another serious medical condition, unrelated to the medication use, going on. I do believe we will never really know so we all need to look for a way to make peace with the not knowing. | |
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Thank you for your insight nooriginal. Your work with opiate addicts gives you an insight that I don't think many (any?) others posting here have (I certainly don't). I really appreciate your perspective.
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That is basically it. | |
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