muleFunk said:

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

"…The position has been explained many times yet instead of you going and reading them you are saving screenshots from deleated threads in order to prove what?…"

"…I know who you are and I know what you are doing here…"

"…What I really suggest for you to do is to go to Facebook and join NPGMC Rebirthed and lets see who you are instead of hiding behind monikers…"

"…What's up with the double standards?…"

"…Do you mean you're allowed to copy and paste stuff from a March 3, 1968 FBI MEMO and quote it to prove whatever your case is? {or "screenshots" as you prefer to call them}…"

"…But I'm not allowed to copy and paste stuff from less than one month ago in which all I did was ask you {nicely} to please clarify in your own words whatever analogy you're trying to suggest Prince had to militant black nationalists?…"

"…Do you realize, that if you tried that same — "Go look it up yourself" — tactic in, say, a televised political debate {for example}, you'd be seen as being — at best — evasive?…"

"…And at worst, confused about your own politcal points?…"

"…You strike me as a smart man. So I gotta figure that you do realize that. Or don't you?…"

"…Since you saved all of my posts you would have that information…"

"…I speak very plainly on that in those deleated threads…"

"…Go and look through what you have saved and read them…"

"…I will message you at work tomorrow…"

"…I'm not even surprised at your reply, muleFunk…"

"…I went back and reread five or six exchanges between you and I. And in each one of those exchanges your "answers" to all of the questions I asked you, were at best, vague. And at worst, straight-up evasive…"

"…I can take a hint. When a person ducks and dodges the way you have in those exchanges I just read — in which you couldn't even give a simple "Yes or No" answer to a simple "Yes or No" question — then I know I'm never gonna get any satisfactory answers from that person…"

"…So nevermind about messaging me. Thanks just the same though…"

"…Incidentally. I foresee a successful future in store for you Sir, as a politician ¦; ? )…"

"…Incidentally like I said come over to Facebook and to the NPGMC rebirthed page and we will discuss this face to face there…"

Sorry. I'm not a Facebook kinda guy.

Prince's Death: Information & Theories; Pills seized from Paisley Park contained illicit fentanyl - Part N is my one and only internet addiction of choice ; د )

Besides we're all friends here. Why keep such enlightening secret knowledge from all our fellow prince.org chums?

laurarichardson said:

I don't recall saying people who use drugs are hopeless losers however, many people do view drug use that way it is never going to be looked at as a positive attribute. As someone who is old enough to remember seeing walking crack zombies going down the street everyday I do take a grim look at recreational drug use. I am not sure what periodicals you are reading but now everytime you read something about Prince in the media it ends with the accidental overdose comment. So you realize over time that is what he is going to be known for. For every positive article we get one that is negative. Prince was way more than a guy that got hooked on pain pills and there is more to this story but you don't see much interest from the media concerning the death investigation or numerous friends and associates saying there is more to the story because it does not get clicks. I am sorry I have a problem with that and the lack of compassion for his medical issues that causes the pain pill problem in the first place and the fucked up pharmacitical industry that had no business promoting these meds for long term use. disch said:

I've listened to the podcast -- a few times. I also read her Facebook post in last August where she said, after seeing Prince in Feburary: "I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something"."

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Just an interseting note if we're using Jill Jones' observations to inform our opinions.

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And while I've never seen any media outlet of any repute use the phrase "drugged out rock star," (I welcome correction if you can be bothered to share your sources), I've seen you describe people struggling with addiction as hopeless losers. It's people who hold silly, stereotypical views of what people struggling with addiction are like who are the problem, not the media for reporting on addiction.

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But again, this has been discussed ad naseum here and you've made clear that you're very committed to your views, so it's all good. Peace to you.

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I agree. I don't like the media labeling Prince as a drug addict, which is what most people who follow everything the media says will believe, unfortunately.

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Prince was a legend. I will remember him for the genius he was and incredible person.

But what if he was struggling with addiction and that's a big part of why he overdosed and died? What would be the correct way for the "the media" to report on that? And why would the fact that he struggled with addiction mean he can't also be a legend, genius and incredible person? Why do you view those things as exclusive of each other?

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It's so interesting to me how this perspective on addiction mirrors some people's thinking around AIDS in the 1980s (and yes I'm old enough to remember). The stigma, the idea that you were "immoral,"that you couldn't also be a wonderful person if you had that disease, that you deserved the suffering you had coming, etc. etc. I think it was Laura (apologies if I'm wrong) who said she doesn't see addiciton as a "positive attribute," as if desigmatizing means you view it as positive. Does destigmatizing AIDS (or, say, mental illness) mean you view those conditions as "positive attributes"? No, that would be a really weird way to put it. For me, I have a similar view on addiction.

cloveringold85 said:

I don't like the media labeling Prince as a drug addict, which is what most people who follow everything the media says will believe, unfortunately.

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Prince was a legend. I will remember him for the genius he was and incredible person.

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disch said:

But what if he was struggling with addiction and that's a big part of why he overdosed and died? What would be the correct way for the "the media" to report on that? And why would the fact that he struggled with addiction mean he can't also be a legend, genius and incredible person? Why do you view those things as exclusive of each other?

cloveringold85 said:

I don't like the media labeling Prince as a drug addict, which is what most people who follow everything the media says will believe, unfortunately.

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Prince was a legend. I will remember him for the genius he was and incredible person.

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I'm not saying Prince didn't struggle with addiction (dependency). I'm just saying that Prince wouldn't want his fans to remember him as a drug-addict, because he wasn't one. The media has talked a lot of trash about him, and mostly untruths. Let me rephrase, "some" of the media (not all). Please, don't take that the wrong way.

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I don't think that because he struggled with prescription drug use for his pain that he could not be remembered as a legend. I'm sorry you got that impression. I don't see where I said that.

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What I mean is that most people will remember him as another rock star who overdosed, and not remember him for all he gave to us through his music and humanitarian efforts. I've seen really hurtful things being said about Prince around the internet, saying things like "glad he o.d., another drug addict, the purple rain singer"......No, he was more than the person who sang Purple Rain. Some people are ignorant, but what can you do?

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I think these forums are not the best way to communicate, as people's words can be so easily misconstrued.

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disch said:

Perhaps we should contact Van Jones and ask what we can do to help. There are many of us and we

are wide spread. That would be a beautiful way to honor Prince.

CooperC62057 said:

disch said:

disch said:

well, Jill wrote on facebook in August about her Feb. meeting with P:

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"I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something""

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I still disagree that stigmas around people struggling with addiction, or with become addicted after using drugs "recreationally," are helpful or correct. I also disagree that stigmas around, say, AIDS are helpful or correct. I don't think that a reporter saying that someone was struggling with drug addiction is a slur, any more than reporting that someone died of AIDS is a slur. In fact, journalists starting reporting openly about AIDS helped to lessen the stigma. My hope is that reporting openly about addiction, among both the rich and famous and "regular" people, can have the same destigmatizing effect.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

So JJ said one thing in a FB comment and later she totally changed the narrative, on the podcast. Probably after being told to change it.

I agree about the stigma. That's why I think it would be important for the family to make an official comment about his drug addiction, which I understand will not happen until the investigation is over with.

Tyka's comments on that interview only added to the speculation about a possible terminal disease, imo. The specific timeline she gave, for one thing. If he was ill, then saying she had two years to deal with that knowledge after Prince told her he had done everything he had come here to do would naturally make people assume there was some sort of ilness.
If she had not mentioned any timeline and just said that when the call came she knew what had happened, that he was gone, and she was not surprised, then that would certainly be understood as him having an addiction that ultimately got the better of him. There is a difference, i don't know if I'm explaining myself well, but i do see a difference here. Remember she had plenty of time to think carefully about what she was going to say. She herself understands addiction. I mean, i nearly even expect a comment along the lines of "he saved me but he could not save himself", unless she feels kind of guilty (not saying that she is! just that people's minds work that way) that she could not do more for him.
Then all theories kick in, which is more that natural.
Until there is an official comment from the family one way or another there will never be 100% certainty, no matter what the narrative.

MMJas said:

disch said:

well, Jill wrote on facebook in August about her Feb. meeting with P:

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"I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something""

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I still disagree that stigmas around people struggling with addiction, or with become addicted after using drugs "recreationally," are helpful or correct. I also disagree that stigmas around, say, AIDS are helpful or correct. I don't think that a reporter saying that someone was struggling with drug addiction is a slur, any more than reporting that someone died of AIDS is a slur. In fact, journalists starting reporting openly about AIDS helped to lessen the stigma. My hope is that reporting openly about addiction, among both the rich and famous and "regular" people, can have the same destigmatizing effect.

So JJ said one thing in a FB comment and later she totally changed the narrative, on the podcast. Probably after being told to change it.

I agree about the stigma. That's why I think it would be important for the family to make an official comment about his drug addiction, which I understand will not happen until the investigation is over with.

Tyka's comments on that interview only added to the speculation about a possible terminal disease, imo. The specific timeline she gave, for one thing. If he was ill, then saying she had two years to deal with that knowledge after Prince told her he had done everything he had come here to do would naturally make people assume there was some sort of ilness.
If she had not mentioned any timeline and just said that when the call came she knew what had happened, that he was gone, and she was not surprised, then that would certainly be understood as him having an addiction that ultimately got the better of him. There is a difference, i don't know if I'm explaining myself well, but i do see a difference here. Remember she had plenty of time to think carefully about what she was going to say. She herself understands addiction. I mean, i nearly even expect a comment along the lines of "he saved me but he could not save himself", unless she feels kind of guilty (not saying that she is! just that people's minds work that way) that she could not do more for him.
Then all theories kick in, which is more that natural.
Until there is an official comment from the family one way or another there will never be 100% certainty, no matter what the narrative.

I would take what she had to say over what was typed on a Facebook page. I doubt anyone told her to change anything about her statements since she is not really in the click with any of the associates and no longer works in the music industry.

Yes, you are correct about the specific timeline that Tyka gave it fits in with a lot of business planning and activity in Prince's life and I am sure the family is going to say more when the investigation and probate are concluded. I think I lot of ( he was just a druggie people are going to be surprised)

1Sasha said:

His associates are ripped up by his death, but it all feels like they knew this was coming. The drug angle doesn't appear to exist for them. Which leads me to believe something else was going on.

Exactly !!!

ISasha said:

"…His associates are ripped up by his death, but it all feels like they knew this was coming. The drug angle doesn't appear to exist for them. Which leads me to believe something else was going on…"

Wha?!?

Only one posts above where you say "The drug angle doesn't appear to exist for [his associates]", there's three of four posts above it, talking about how one of Prince's closest associates are rallying for wider awareness of the drug angle…

1. CooperC62057's
   
   
2. anotherfan's
   
   
3. zenarose's
   
   
4. sonshine's
   
   
5. Superconductor's

You didn't read those, I gather.

The terminal illness faction and the suicide squad and the "something-else-was-going-on" posse, should consider this…

• Somebody as close to Prince as this Mr. Jones apparently was, would by this point in time, be privy to whether or not Prince suffered from a terminal illness or that he committed suicide.
  
  
• So why is Jones rallying for the awareness of "the drug angle"?
  
  
• So why isn't Jones rallying for the awareness of whatever terminal illness you're wishing Prince had?
  
  
• Why isn't he rallying for better approaches to suicide prevention?

Something tells me a lot of people are either simply not capable of processing truthful answers to those questions, or they simply refuse to process the truth.

Those are the people that fellah Nietzsche {↓} is talking 'bout.

phatphuk said:

ISasha said:

"…His associates are ripped up by his death, but it all feels like they knew this was coming. The drug angle doesn't appear to exist for them. Which leads me to believe something else was going on…"

Wha?!?

Only one posts above where you say "The drug angle doesn't appear to exist for [his associates]", there's three of four posts above it, talking about how one of Prince's closest associates are rallying for wider awareness of the drug angle…

1. CooperC62057's
   
   
2. anotherfan's
   
   
3. zenarose's
   
   
4. sonshine's
   
   
5. Superconductor's

You didn't read those, I gather.

The terminal illness faction and the suicide squad and the "something-else-was-going-on" posse, should consider this…

• Somebody as close to Prince as this Mr. Jones apparently was, would by this point in time, be privy to whether or not Prince suffered from a terminal illness or that he committed suicide.
  
  
• So why is Jones rallying for the awareness of "the drug angle"?
  
  
• So why isn't Jones rallying for the awareness of whatever terminal illness you're wishing Prince had?
  
  
• Why isn't he rallying for better approaches to suicide prevention?

Something tells me a lot of people are either simply not capable of processing truthful answers to those questions, or they simply refuse to process the truth.

Those are the people that fellah Nietzsche {↓} is talking 'bout.

What TRUTH?? I am very capable of recognizing a "TRUTH" and so are the others you

noted above. You have the right to evaluate any or all information in any way you choose to arrive

at your truth. We have the same right. You have your way of gettnrountuit and each one of us have

our own way of gettnrountuit. So far there are some of us that have not resolved many issues. Your

demeaning will not cause us to arrive at finding our truth in the time frame you deem necessary in

order for you to achieve your happiness which seems to be in controlling others. You derail and

cause drama every time and have been part of the cause for threads to become locked. Surely it is

not too much to ask to be able to discuss issues without all the ridiculous tactics.

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phatphuk said:

Laura, you're a hoot! First you tell me you feel sorry for me for not taking into account what Jill Jones says. Then when I point out her August Facebook post -- which was a 1,132 word essay (yes, I counted) that started "This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing" and in which she claimed to have told 5 people in Feb that Prince was "on something -- you tell me that doesn't count, because she "typed that" instead of spoke it. Ok, got it.

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The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good).

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And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)

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Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board).

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So JJ said one thing in a FB comment and later she totally changed the narrative, on the podcast. Probably after being told to change it.

I agree about the stigma. That's why I think it would be important for the family to make an official comment about his drug addiction, which I understand will not happen until the investigation is over with.

Tyka's comments on that interview only added to the speculation about a possible terminal disease, imo. The specific timeline she gave, for one thing. If he was ill, then saying she had two years to deal with that knowledge after Prince told her he had done everything he had come here to do would naturally make people assume there was some sort of ilness.
If she had not mentioned any timeline and just said that when the call came she knew what had happened, that he was gone, and she was not surprised, then that would certainly be understood as him having an addiction that ultimately got the better of him. There is a difference, i don't know if I'm explaining myself well, but i do see a difference here. Remember she had plenty of time to think carefully about what she was going to say. She herself understands addiction. I mean, i nearly even expect a comment along the lines of "he saved me but he could not save himself", unless she feels kind of guilty (not saying that she is! just that people's minds work that way) that she could not do more for him.
Then all theories kick in, which is more that natural.
Until there is an official comment from the family one way or another there will never be 100% certainty, no matter what the narrative.

I would take what she had to say over what was typed on a Facebook page. I doubt anyone told her to change anything about her statements since she is not really in the click with any of the associates and no longer works in the music industry.

Yes, you are correct about the specific timeline that Tyka gave it fits in with a lot of business planning and activity in Prince's life and I am sure the family is going to say more when the investigation and probate are concluded. I think I lot of ( he was just a druggie people are going to be surprised)

If I might throw my two cents into the conversation: not one of us in this discussion knows what really happened to Prince, except that an overdose of Fentanyl killed him per the ME. IMO the last six months of his life are the most critical in terms of what led up to April 20 and 21 (I am not sure he didn't die on the night of the 20th). Seeing the autopsy report would help resolve most questions concerning his medical health. Everything else - who knew what and when, who did this or that for him, who was even in contact with him, etc. - is unknown unless, like the intrepid researchers we have here, we can find the truth, or what appears to be the truth. I have dozens of questions, but I know not to ask them here because no one knows the answers. Everyone around him was on his payroll or seeking his good graces in some fashion, whether it be (for example) a family member living in a Prince-owned house or a personal assistant in his office or a fan working a merchandise table at PP during a party. I appreciate the work being done by the people who post here. I appreciate when they say they have questions because nothing seems to be adding up. And I appreciate those people who, like me, have far more doubt about Prince and his life those last six months to two years, and who want to know the truth about this wonderful man and talent.

disch said:

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Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board).

1Sasha said:

disch said:

"…Laura, you're a hoot! First you tell me you feel sorry for me for not taking into account what Jill Jones says. Then when I point out her August Facebook post -- which was a 1,132 word essay (yes, I counted) that started "This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing" and in which she claimed to have told 5 people in Feb that Prince was "on something --you tell me that doesn't count, because she "typed that" instead of spoke it. Ok, got it…"

"…The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good)…"

"…And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)…"

"…Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board)…"

One thing to bear in mind, disch, when people take ridiculously non-sensical stances, is their main motivation is to make themselves believe they are always right.

To them, "I'm right! And that's the end of the story!" is their all-abiding credo. Their stongest drive.

Logic? Common-sense? Consistency? Supporting citations? Bah! Of no consequence to people like that.

That's also why even if the truth walked right up and slapped them in their faces, they would never admit to themselves — much less to a public forum — that they were wrong all along

I envy your patience, disch. But you're wasting your time. You'll be banging your head against the wall from here to eternity trying to reason with people like that.

anotherfan said:

Laura, you're a hoot! First you tell me you feel sorry for me for not taking into account what Jill Jones says. Then when I point out her August Facebook post -- which was a 1,132 word essay (yes, I counted) that started "This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing" and in which she claimed to have told 5 people in Feb that Prince was "on something -- you tell me that doesn't count, because she "typed that" instead of spoke it. Ok, got it.

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The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good).

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And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)

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Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board).

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I did not say it does not count I said I take what someone is saying out of their own mouth more seriously then what is typed on a Facebook page. This is what I think I don’t give a crap about what you think. On the podcast and in other interview she also said she was in shock over his death for a few months so maybe she did type something on her Facebook page she did not mean to type. No one else that was around on a day to day basis going back 30 fucking years has said anything about him being high. You can’t even find gossip about him using drugs and let us all face reality everybody was not in love with Prince Rogers Nelson if someone wanted to go after them they could have put drug stories out about him.

“The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good). “

Well you should take what they have to say has it is informed and important. The engineers who worked long direct hours with him have very interesting things to say about his work habits, AGE Live promoters have great things to say about his work habits, as do O2 people, musicians, lawyers, accountants and the entire town of Chanhassen but, that is okay they all have nothing to do but lie to make themselves look good and protect a person who is dead and can do nothing to stop them from telling all his secrets in fact they could probably get a good deal of money if they started talking. Just me using a little common sense.

“And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)”

Go on this thing called YOUTUBE there entire night of 21^st there was nothing but interviews from people he worked with who said over and over again they never saw him use drugs.

Look up Sheila E interviews a few day after she said “ I know what happened but I will never tell”

Julie Ramadan his ex-manager from her Instagram. “Judith Hill should have told the whole story.”

La La Escargza on her Instagram- “He did not have AIDS people don’t know the real story,”

One of the horn players on the last album (name escapes me at this time ) Twitter ( People don’t know the whole story)

Morris Day – Saying the in New York post he thinks Prince knew his time was short.

Apples comments on her Facebook page about Prince’ s concerns about vultures and backstabbers coming out and how she was going to see what he was talking about. Why would they even be having such a conversation?

Dez who said he spoke to Prince for 3 hours in January and said he would never tell what the conversation was about.

I could go back and find more Instagram, and twitter comments many have been discussed on this board but you are not going to read any of them because you are stuck on this drug addict angle.

“Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board).”

But this is not an issue in this case because Prince was seeing a doctor on an outpatient basis for treatment for withdrawals so he was getting help. You are tying a subject to him that is not a central issue at all. Because Prince did not get on a Billboard and tell the entire free world his problems does not mean he was worried about stigma. He was getting help and doing in a private manner and possibility dealing with other medical issues I doubt he gave two craps about what anyone was thinking. You are so busy trying to attach him to pain pill abuse you are ignoring hugh pieces of information.

disch said:

Laura, you're a hoot! First you tell me you feel sorry for me for not taking into account what Jill Jones says. Then when I point out her August Facebook post -- which was a 1,132 word essay (yes, I counted) that started "This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing" and in which she claimed to have told 5 people in Feb that Prince was "on something -- you tell me that doesn't count, because she "typed that" instead of spoke it. Ok, got it.

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The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good).

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And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)

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Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board).

laurarichardson said:

I would take what she had to say over what was typed on a Facebook page. I doubt anyone told her to change anything about her statements since she is not really in the click with any of the associates and no longer works in the music industry.

Yes, you are correct about the specific timeline that Tyka gave it fits in with a lot of business planning and activity in Prince's life and I am sure the family is going to say more when the investigation and probate are concluded. I think I lot of ( he was just a druggie people are going to be surprised)

Mkilpatrick74 said:

anotherfan said:

I really like the work Van Jones is doing through Advocates for Opiod Recovery. He seems dedicated to his late friend Prince. Professionally he seems to be wearing purple all the time since Prince died. It is such a shame that docs prescribe these addictive painkillers but more times than not perscriptions to help with getting off of the meds are not given. That plus the stigma just makes it overwhelming for too many.

Why is it a shame doctors prescribe pain killers? What else would a person like Prince and myself who live in chronic pain supposed to do? I've tried everything possible out there to help my pain but there is zero alternative to help me.

Plenty of evidence to show that long term effects of these meds are deadly and in some cases may make the pain worst

1Sasha said:

If I might throw my two cents into the conversation: not one of us in this discussion knows what really happened to Prince, except that an overdose of Fentanyl killed him per the ME. IMO the last six months of his life are the most critical in terms of what led up to April 20 and 21 (I am not sure he didn't die on the night of the 20th). Seeing the autopsy report would help resolve most questions concerning his medical health. Everything else - who knew what and when, who did this or that for him, who was even in contact with him, etc. - is unknown unless, like the intrepid researchers we have here, we can find the truth, or what appears to be the truth. I have dozens of questions, but I know not to ask them here because no one knows the answers. Everyone around him was on his payroll or seeking his good graces in some fashion, whether it be (for example) a family member living in a Prince-owned house or a personal assistant in his office or a fan working a merchandise table at PP during a party. I appreciate the work being done by the people who post here. I appreciate when they say they have questions because nothing seems to be adding up. And I appreciate those people who, like me, have far more doubt about Prince and his life those last six months to two years, and who want to know the truth about this wonderful man and talent.

What about the people that were not on his payroll and not living in his homes. Do you think they got together in a massive conference call to get their stories straight.

phatphuk said:

disch said:

"…Laura, you're a hoot! First you tell me you feel sorry for me for not taking into account what Jill Jones says. Then when I point out her August Facebook post -- which was a 1,132 word essay (yes, I counted) that started "This has been heavy on my heart for months now since his passing" and in which she claimed to have told 5 people in Feb that Prince was "on something --you tell me that doesn't count, because she "typed that" instead of spoke it. Ok, got it…"

"…The fact is, I take all of these associates with a grain of salt. Some had limited direct and recent contact with P. Others might be concerned about their own image (saying that P was struggling with addiction and you did nothing to help -- perhaps you even enabled? -- doesn't exactly make you look good)…"

"…And I'd ask you for links to the dozens (aka 24 or more) associate stories you refer to, but I you've made very clear over your many months posting that you refuse to cite sources, so I won't waste you time. (Ironic stance from someone who rails daily on shoddy reporting from the conspiratorial "media.)…"

"…Anyway, because I enjoying learning, I've been reading lately about stigma and illness (I was inspired after you insisted you couldn't see any connection between stigmatized conditions, such as AIDS, mental illness and drug addiction). There's a lot of provocative research on how stigmas both prevent people from getting the help they need, and block medical pros from treating certain illness effectively. I hope that changes. I know you feel passionately that drug addiction should remain stigmatized; reading your point of view has been helpful to me to remind me about the perspectives that you and others hold that the rest of us who hope for a more compassionate, healthier society need to fight against (in the real world, not in this message board)…"

One thing to bear in mind, disch, when people take ridiculously non-sensical stances, is their main motivation is to make themselves believe they are always right.

To them, "I'm right! And that's the end of the story!" is their all-abiding credo. Their stongest drive.

Logic? Common-sense? Consistency? Supporting citations? Bah! Of no consequence to people like that.

That's also why even if the truth walked right up and slapped them in their faces, they would never admit to themselves — much less to a public forum — that they were wrong all along

I envy your patience, disch. But you're wasting your time. You'll be banging your head against the wall from here to eternity trying to reason with people like that.

I have made no non-sensical stances. Everything I have stated is backed up by what evidence exsist at this time. I do not think Prince was killed by WB or the Illiumanatti. Everything I have said is quite plausible. Now go back to babbling about things that have nothing to do with this topic since that is all you can manage.

laurarichardson said:

Mkilpatrick74 said: