cloveringold85 said:

cloveringold85 said:

phatphuk said:

NotACleverName said:

Posted this on another thread, but think it might be of relevance here. It's a statement by someone who knew him and saw him in February stating that when she saw him he had been sick and looked very frail.

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

http://www.ocregister.com...argas.html

MMJas said:

I agree, LR. And there was no one around him who could make him do anything. Not family, Judith Hill, Van Jones, Kirk ... no one. Everyone was on the payroll, in one way or another. IMO that further complicated how hard anyone would push, because no one seemed willing to risk being "excommunicated" from Princeworld.

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Posted this on another thread, but think it might be of relevance here. It's a statement by someone who knew him and saw him in February stating that when she saw him he had been sick and looked very frail.

"She just saw him in February at the “Life Celebration Ceremony” after the death of Prince’s former girlfriend Denise Matthews, known as Vanity. Vargas Sieloff said Prince was mobbed by selfie-seeking fans. He sat in the church balcony and left before the service ended.

“He looked very frail,” she said. “He had been sick. He should have been in bed. I think he worked himself to death.”

http://www.ocregister.com...argas.html

-- Jill Jones said in her podcast that he seemed troubled and was frail. She spoke to him about her daughter's music carreer and that he did not seem out of it or high. I believe he was over most of the withdrawal because I can't see him traveling as much as he did if he was still going thru withdrawals at the height of that medical issue. I believe he had other medical problems at that point and should have been in a hospital.

Do you have a link for that podcast, Laura? Thanks.

Laura, as has been discussed many, many, many times here, people can have a physical dependency on opioids and not appear "out of it" or "high" 24/7 (you know, like some "druggie" stereotype we learned about when we were children).

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If you have research that you can share that says otherwise, I'd truly be intrested to read it! Please post if you do...

laurarichardson said:

= She spoke to him about her daughter's music carreer and that he did not seem out of it or high. =

NotACleverName said:

phatphuk said:

NotACleverName said:

laurarichardson said:

NotACleverName said:

"…Goodness....I have been missing out on Joan Armatrading's artistry! Thanks for sharing that…"

"…And, btw, I loved the weeping willow tree in the yard of my childhood home. Spent many a summer day reading there. Always felt safe & sheltered!…"

"…I think we may have derailed the thread…"

"…-- Well that was the plan was it not…"

"…Hi laura....no, it was not. Just having a conversation with my pal. phatphuk....care to chimed in?…"

"…Well. I typically scroll past that one's posts and avoid reading them at all costs. But since it's you asking, NotA…"

"…Let's see. As near as I can tell, the way the prince.org TOS works is: every other prince.org member — except you {NotA} and moi — are allowed to discuss in this thread, stuff that should be discussed in a different thread…"

"…So I think that one is attempting to impose their privileged double standard on us…"

"…That's the best I've been able to figure out anyway…"

"…Thank you much! I knew I could count on you.....my very first statement on this forum still stands!…"

Ah! Shucks! Now you went and made me blush ;¬) Again.

disch said:

MMJas said:

I've listened to the podcast -- a few times. I also read her Facebook post in last August where she said, after seeing Prince in Feburary: "I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something"."

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Just an interseting note if we're using Jill Jones' observations to inform our opinions.

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And while I've never seen any media outlet of any repute use the phrase "drugged out rock star," (I welcome correction if you can be bothered to share your sources), I've seen you describe people struggling with addiction as hopeless losers. It's people who hold silly, stereotypical views of what people struggling with addiction are like who are the problem, not the media for reporting on addiction.

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But again, this has been discussed ad naseum here and you've made clear that you're very committed to your views, so it's all good. Peace to you.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

Laura, as has been discussed many, many, many times here, people can have a physical dependency on opioids and not appear "out of it" or "high" 24/7 (you know, like some "druggie" stereotype we learned about when we were children).

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If you have research that you can share that says otherwise, I'd truly be intrested to read it! Please post if you do...

--I have done my research and if you did not spend all your time being a know-it-all you would have noticed that it is Jill who brings this up in the podcast. That was her observation along with about 100 other people who knew him. I have already explained that drugged out rock star narrative is coming from the media. Which I have problem with because it does not make any sense. I already explained what I think was going him with the reasons why.

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laurarichardson said:

I'm on exactly your same page, sonshine. Reporting that someone was struggling with addiction is no more saying they're a "drugged out rock star" or a "hopeless loser" or whatever else than reporting, for example, that someone is gay is the same thing as saying they're a "pervert." Just like it's the homophobes' interpretation of word gay as meaning "pervert," it's the prejudiced reader who interprets "struggling with addiction" as "druggie rock star" or "hopeless loser" or whatever else. It's not in "the media" where the bias lies; it's in the reader.

sonshine said:

laurarichardson said:

--I have done my research and if you did not spend all your time being a know-it-all you would have noticed that it is Jill who brings this up in the podcast. That was her observation along with about 100 other people who knew him. I have already explained that drugged out rock star narrative is coming from the media. Which I have problem with because it does not make any sense. I already explained what I think was going him with the reasons why.

I re-read all the local news articles from apr 21 and immediately following and there is no narrative in any of the articles about prince being a drugged out rock star. You people here are the ones labeling him. He was a human being who had life problems like all of us. I do not understand y'all. Move on.

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laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I keep hearing people saying Prince was "perfect". I never said he was, but I'm only speaking for myself.

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I wasn't calling you a troll, but there are a few here that only come in here to belittle other people's opinions and throw insults around, and that's just wrong.

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The fact is, there are a few people here who only come in here on ocassion to attack other's. I never see them bringing forth any valuable information or updates on the death investigation. They only come in here to start trouble.

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All of us are mourning the loss of Prince. We all seek the truth and answers. We are only human.

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You say you are here to share your thoughts and feelings. So am I, and most of us, but some people come in here, acting like it's all a big joke.

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None of us really know what happened to Prince; however, my opinions and theories are just as important as yours or anyone else's here on the Org.

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I'm not here to argue with anyone. I always respect another person's opinion, even if I don't agree with them. I'm not better than anyone else. I am here because I love and miss Prince and I seek justice and peace. I don't come in here just for laughs. Death is no joke. I've lost many who were near and dear to me. I only come in here with good intentions.

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Peace & Love!

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I keep hearing people saying Prince was "perfect". I never said he was, but I'm only speaking for myself.

I don't know were this shit is coming from either who said Prince was perfect. It does not mean he deserved to die in a elavator from some posion he does not appear to even know he was taking. People need to be held accountable and apparently law enforcement agrees with some up. Ignore the comments this week from law enforcement if you want to but stop trying to troll and have these topics closed by attacking people for expressing their thoughts. When people come on this board and do this sort of thing it puts fire under the consipracy theories.

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I agree, Laura. I don't know where the "Prince was perfect" is coming from either. I haven't seen any threads on here stating such. It just seems like certain people want to cause problems, because all this negativity is a waste of energy, imo.

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disch said:

Missed the place where I accused anyone of anything -- I believe it was you who was railing against the "haters" with their "negative energy." I did say I've been sobered by the lack of strong deductive reasoning shown (not by everyone) on this thread, and I stand by that assessment.

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And while it's not the biggest pride of my life, I've posted on this thread and its predecesors for many months, contributing what I could around the facts of the situation (see page 1 of this thread, with my detailed log of Prince-related stories and resources.)

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My feeling about "negative energy" is: I think people who go on and on about satanic plots, the illuminati, murder conspiracies (and actually throw out the names of real people, insinuating they're criminals), etc. puts more negative energy into this world than just about anything else that's been posted here. Not saying that you, clover, are necessarily guilty of that.

cloveringold85 said:

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Okay, so now you are just going to make stuff up and accuse people of saying things that they didn't?

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Who said this thread was only for "conspiracies"? The discussion here is "Prince Death, Information & Theories", right?

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No one stops you from adding to any conversation on here, right?

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And for the record, we all have been discussing all those topics you listed above for the past 7-months!

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Disch: You and I have had conversations in the past and I never had any issues with your opinions. I guess I felt like your comments were directed towards me and perhaps I was mistaken.

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Since Prince's death is still an active homicide investigation, we really don't know much of anything. We are all just trying to put the missing pieces of the puzzle together.

laurarichardson said:

disch said:

Missed the place where I accused anyone of anything -- I believe it was you who was railing against the "haters" with their "negative energy." I did say I've been sobered by the lack of strong deductive reasoning shown (not by everyone) on this thread, and I stand by that assessment.

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And while it's not the biggest pride of my life, I've posted on this thread and its predecesors for many months, contributing what I could around the facts of the situation (see page 1 of this thread, with my detailed log of Prince-related stories and resources.)

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My feeling about "negative energy" is: I think people who go on and on about satanic plots, the illuminati, murder conspiracies (and actually throw out the names of real people, insinuating they're criminals), etc. puts more negative energy into this world than just about anything else that's been posted here. Not saying that you, clover, are necessarily guilty of that.

"satanic plots, the illuminati, murder conspiracies (and actually throw out the names of real people, insinuating they're criminals)"

Not that many people have gone down that road and even if they do they are free to do so. As far as people insinuating that some in P's circle are criminals. It is the police who are saying they are still looking to interview witnesses. Who do you think those people might be. The gas station attendent down the street or people in his circle? They don't help themselves by getting lawyers and claming up. Stop feeling sorry for people who are alive and well.

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Personally speaking, I don't believe in conspiracies; I believe in facts and truths. I guess some people confuse investigating a suspicious death and coming up with possible suspects, motives, much like an investigator does could be considered as a "conspiracy". I dunno. I think as long as this investigation continues, and we are all being fed bits and pieces, people will continue to theorize what happened. Never once, did I claim to know the who, what, when, why & how. I'm sure the authorities are questioning a lot of people and KJ just happens to be one of them. Not sure if the authorities are still looking at him as a suspect, per se. Does anyone really think that I would want to see someone who was so close to Prince for so many years be accused of murder, or possibly contributing to his untimely death?! No way!! That's not what a I want at all. I hope the authorities can get to the bottom of this, and I agree, Laura, someone should be held accountable.

CooperC62057 said:

Cloveringold85, what are you insinuating that I am late to the conversation? I have been here since the beginning of this death thread and have been here peacefully posting. I just happen to have the opinion that P was dependent on opiates and is the victim of a fentanyl laced pill that he was totally unaware of. I agree with most of what Sonshine has said and in most of my earlier posts, I spoke about opiate addiction and suboxone treatment. I am not so close-minded that I can't find interest in and be open to other's thoughts such as the possibility that P was suffering from another illness or illness brought on by his opiate usage. I also am appreciative of zenarose's never-ending research on which often helps us to remember information when we have trouble keeping it straight! I don't condone bashing of anyone - including those we may not agree with or find abrasive - they all play a part in helping us define what makes sense to us and what doesn't. That being said, all of these types of conversations were active in THIS thread and the Queen and other such theories were active in the other. Think we're all on the same page - justice for P if there were wrongdoing!

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Cooper: I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant you were late to that particular conversation in the thread, is all. You stated there were two threads, and I agreed. I didn't mean you just came on board to the Org. I apologize if you took it the wrong way.

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laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

Do you have a link for that podcast, Laura? Thanks.

-/-- http://prince.org/msg/5/434187. It is a two hour interview and she does not bring it up until the second hour but whole interview is good.

Thanks.

NotACleverName said:

cloveringold85 said:

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If people would only take the time to read (not saying you, Olivia) about the history of the Royal Family, then they would know the truth. Ignorance is a choice; I don't think humans were born that way.

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Prince himself was even quoted saying that there was some weird shit that went on at WB parties; orgy's, satanic rituals. Ever see the movie "Eyes wide shut?"

The music industry is very satanic. All you have to do is watch the award shows (satanic rituals), and watch Beyonce & Rihanna's videos to see all the satanic symbols and rituals. The music industry puts all this out for the mindless sheeple, and they buy into it, and not really knowing what they are seeing. But, some people are wising-up.

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If people want to be ignorant, that's their choice.

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cloveringold85....please share the link to your statement I have bolded. Thanks in advance.

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I will post the link on the "conspiracy thread", because I don't want to upset anyone here.

disch said:

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

phatphuk said:

well, Jill wrote on facebook in August about her Feb. meeting with P:

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"I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, "He's on something""

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I still disagree that stigmas around people struggling with addiction, or with become addicted after using drugs "recreationally," are helpful or correct. I also disagree that stigmas around, say, AIDS are helpful or correct. I don't think that a reporter saying that someone was struggling with drug addiction is a slur, any more than reporting that someone died of AIDS is a slur. In fact, journalists starting reporting openly about AIDS helped to lessen the stigma. My hope is that reporting openly about addiction, among both the rich and famous and "regular" people, can have the same destigmatizing effect.

laurarichardson said:

laurarichardson said:

I am sorry you don't care what Jill or a two dozen other people have to say

disch said:

"…well, Jill wrote on facebook in August about her Feb. meeting with P:…"

"…“I told the girls, Apples, my friend Seth,Susan and Susan's sister, 'He's on something'”…"

"…I still disagree that stigmas around people struggling with addiction, or with become addicted after using drugs “recreationally,” are helpful or correct. I also disagree that stigmas around, say, AIDS are helpful or correct. I don't think that a reporter saying that someone was struggling with drug addiction is a slur, any more than reporting that someone died of AIDS is a slur. In fact, journalists starting reporting openly about AIDS helped to lessen the stigma. My hope is that reporting openly about addiction, among both the rich and famous and “regular” people, can have the same destigmatizing effect…"

laurarichardson said:

"…I am sorry you don't care what Jill or a two dozen other people have to say…"

Skool 'em disch!

Superconductor said:

"…Yeah relieved to see there are some other straight thinking people around …"

"…Haven't quite found the humour in the cray cray stuff yet…"

Hysterical teenage groupies are pretty humorous. Right?

What's humorous to me, is when they burst a blood vessel just because not everybody faints and swoons at the mere mention of the word "Prince".

It's like they think that only people who flail about in fits of hysterical tears and screams for Prince — like some goofy 60s Beatlemaniacal 13 year old girl — are allowed to post here.

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

"…Since you saved all of my posts you would have that information…"

"…I speak very plainly on that in those deleated threads…"

"…Go and look through what you have saved and read them…"

"…I will message you at work tomorrow…"

I'm not even surprised at your reply, muleFunk.

I went back and reread five or six exchanges between you and I. And in each one of those exchanges your "answers" to all of the questions I asked you, were at best, vague. And at worst, straight-up evasive.

I can take a hint. When a person ducks and dodges the way you have in those exchanges I just read — in which you couldn't even give a simple "Yes or No" answer to a simple "Yes or No" question — then I know I'm never gonna get any satisfactory answers from that person.

So nevermind about messaging me. Thanks just the same though.

Incidentally. I foresee a successful future in store for you Sir, as a politician ¦; د )

Incidentally like I said come over to Facebook and to the NPGMC rebirthed page and we will discuss this face to face there. After you are accepted send me a PM of your name and we will continue.

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