herb4 said:

Nooriginalusername said:

I'm wondering why 3/4 of this isn't in the gossip and hearsay thread. There used to be legitimate, insightful and factual information on this thread but the train has clearly derailed. Sad, I was excited for thoughtful, engaging discussion on Prince's music and creative genius. I had no idea the Org was basically a Prince themed TMZ site.

Prince's death has brought out the lunacy here. This place didn't used to be like this. It was more or less a place for general info about new music and the subsequent arguments about how good it was, usually sharply divided amongst fans of certain genres; R&B, ROCK and hip hop.

I think Prince's unfortunate death broke the brains of roughly 1/3 of our more ardent members and genuinely exposed the posters who simply liked him and his music from those who centered their entire world around his existence. I've done some research on this matter and apparently it's quite common. Cobain, Hendrix, Tupac, MJ, Elvis, Marylin Monroe, JFK...anyone who dies before their time basically...simply because they're famous means There Must Be More to It.

The grief and the profound sense of loss people feel having attached themselves and investing their self identity so much to a complete stranger...it tends to bring the lunatics out to the forefront, primarily because those fans attached so much of their sense of self to someone they basically worshipped without even having known them or met them in person.

Long story short: a LOT of people here seem to have used thier fanaticism, Prince's music and even Prince himself as so much an identifier of Who They Are as PEOPLE, that when he passed away they lost a significant portion of their own identity. Like, they can't imagine living in a world without him. They quote the Bible and then ignore the parts about false idols. It's some sort of ass backwards defense mechanism born of an inate sense of insecurity that I've seen hundreds of times but have never been able ot wrap my head around.

Very observant and insightful. It is hard for me to understand the fanaticism, particularly when it leads to pointing fingers and making slanderous accusations towards others (friends, family members, persons in the inner circle). I do understand this is a homicide investigation and fully understand what that means but to publically accuse people-that you don't know, or know the circumstances around-of murder is just not right. I am in shock about what people will say in a public forum and what theories they are willing to accept. I'm going to avoid this type of purple passion for awhile and stay on threads that focus on his genius as a musician, singer and songwriter.

Nooriginalusername said:

Yeah relieved to see there are some other straight thinking people around

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Haven't quite found the humour in the cray cray stuff yet.

Yeah I've had to check out of this. I sort of said to myself, do I want to be contributing in any way to paving the path for crazy talk in the world, or not?

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The talk here has been a pretty sobering reminder that there are some people who just lack evaluative and deductive skills. Like, being able to gauge the value of various sources of info. Understanding things like "probability" vs "possibility." Knowing the difference between invesigative journalism and speculative writing. Knowing the difference between "the media" as some amorphous blob and specific media outlets. Hell, even knowing the difference between fact and theory.

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Some people say that it's important to remain "open minded" and "consider everything." I call bullshit. The power of our intellects allow us to make judgments based on information, so we don't have to waste our time and energy "considering everything." Plus, the whole "considering everything" mentality -- where there are no rules and patterns, where every cause and effect is equally likely -- is a really scary, consfusing way to live. I do have sympathy for people who live that way.

Superconductor said:

Yeah relieved to see there are some other straight thinking people around

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Haven't quite found the humour in the cray cray stuff yet.

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EVERYTHING posted on this page is THEORY.

Everything is not theory. The medical examiners' report is not theory. I also don't believe that investigative journalism conducted by reputable outlets according to standard journalistic practices is theory.

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Lumping everything into one "theory" bucket, with the same likelihood of accurancy, is part of the probelm. That makes it sound like it's just as likely to be true that "illumanti murderered prince" as "prince died of an accidental self-administered fentanyl overdose," because hey, it's all just theory anyway and who can possibly know and any conspiracy theory we dream up is just as likely to have happened and we have to be "open minded." And on and on

muleFunk said:

EVERYTHING posted on this page is THEORY.

disch said:

Everything is not theory. The medical examiners' report is not theory. I also don't believe that investigative journalism conducted by reputable outlets according to standard journalistic practices is theory.

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Lumping everything into one "theory" bucket, with the same likelihood of accurancy, is part of the probelm. That makes it sound like it's just as likely to be true that "illumanti murderered prince" as "prince died of an accidental self-administered fentanyl overdose," because hey, it's all just theory anyway and who can possibly know and any conspiracy theory we dream up is just as likely to have happened and we have to be "open minded." And on and on

muleFunk said:

EVERYTHING posted on this page is THEORY.

That's not what I was referring to.

The ME report was death by a self administered dose of Fentanyl.

That is the How in this equation.

The who/what/when/where/why is what is going to be THEORY here and what will come out later it will still be theory and speculation regardless to who gives a different account.

Now I agree that some theories are more bizarre than others but alas that is what they are... THEORY and conjecture.

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It's not a merry-go-round.

All we really know is what the ME report said.

Everything else has been leaked information by an "unnamed" source.

Other information that was "leaked" was wrong as well.

herb4 said:

Prince's death has brought out the lunacy here. This place didn't used to be like this. It was more or less a place for general info about new music and the subsequent arguments about how good it was, usually sharply divided amongst fans of certain genres; R&B, ROCK and hip hop.

I think Prince's unfortunate death broke the brains of roughly 1/3 of our more ardent members and genuinely exposed the posters who simply liked him and his music from those who centered their entire world around his existence. I've done some research on this matter and apparently it's quite common. Cobain, Hendrix, Tupac, MJ, Elvis, Marylin Monroe, JFK...anyone who dies before their time basically...simply because they're famous means There Must Be More to It.

The grief and the profound sense of loss people feel having attached themselves and investing their self identity so much to a complete stranger...it tends to bring the lunatics out to the forefront, primarily because those fans attached so much of their sense of self to someone they basically worshipped without even having known them or met them in person.

Long story short: a LOT of people here seem to have used thier fanaticism, Prince's music and even Prince himself as so much an identifier of Who They Are as PEOPLE, that when he passed away they lost a significant portion of their own identity. Like, they can't imagine living in a world without him. They quote the Bible and then ignore the parts about false idols. It's some sort of ass backwards defense mechanism born of an inate sense of insecurity that I've seen hundreds of times but have never been able ot wrap my head around.

You claim to have knowledge on this subject but this highlighted point shows how little you actually know.

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

disch said:

"…the only people focusing on his drug overdose are us Seriously, if focusing on his death instead of his cultural legacy is a big concern for you, you (and the rest of us) should not be posting on and on and on in a thread specifically about his death, because this exact discussion will come up in search results etc. all over the internet and add fuel to the "overdose fixation" fire…"

muleFunk said:

"…Instead of moarning the death one of the greatest musicians in human history we instead focus on a drug overdose.
The Overdose discrediting his legacy.
The reason why this memo is important is because it is known as the Prevent the Rise of the Black Messiah Memo released one month before the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. This is done to any black leader capable of a mass following…"

"…I will not post anymore on here…"

"…Going try to kick it cold turkey, huh? Good luck with that…"

muleFunk said:

disch said:

Yeah I've had to check out of this. I sort of said to myself, do I want to be contributing in any way to paving the path for crazy talk in the world, or not?

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The talk here has been a pretty sobering reminder that there are some people who just lack evaluative and deductive skills. Like, being able to gauge the value of various sources of info. Understanding things like "probability" vs "possibility." Knowing the difference between invesigative journalism and speculative writing. Knowing the difference between "the media" as some amorphous blob and specific media outlets. Hell, even knowing the difference between fact and theory.

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Some people say that it's important to remain "open minded" and "consider everything." I call bullshit. The power of our intellects allow us to make judgments based on information, so we don't have to waste our time and energy "considering everything." Plus, the whole "considering everything" mentality -- where there are no rules and patterns, where every cause and effect is equally likely -- is a really scary, consfusing way to live. I do have sympathy for people who live that way.

Superconductor said:

Yeah relieved to see there are some other straight thinking people around

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Haven't quite found the humour in the cray cray stuff yet.

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Don't know if you are addressing me, but since I was the one saying we should be open minded, let me just remind you that being open minded does not equate considering everything. In fact, i said: "There is, after all, a grey area between the "sheep" and the "nuts"."

Also, I find it quite amusing that after clearly stating on the first parts of this thread that I did not believe in the Illuminati nor that Prince was killed by them or by WB or by the Queen or whatever I find myself being refered to as if I did. Not that it's a problem, i can very well live with whatever idea a bunch of people on an internet forum think of me, but it's amusing nonetheless.

For the record I don't think the Illumniati or the Queen or Warners had anything to do with this.

phatphuk said:

phatphuk said:

"…Going try to kick it cold turkey, huh? Good luck with that…"

I know who you are.

phatphuk said:

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

disch said:

"…connect the dots for me… how does an FBI memo from 1968 about black nationalist groups relate to Prince's death in 2016?…"

muleFunk said:

"…4. Prevent militant black nationalist groups and leaders from gaining RESPECTABILITY, by discrediting them to three separate segments of the community. The goal of discrediting black nationalists must be handled tactically in three ways. You must discredit those groups and individuals to, first, the responsible Negro community. Second, they must be discredited to the white community, both the responsible community and to "liberals" who have vestiges of sympathy for militant black nationalist simply because they are Negroes. Third, these groups must be discredited in the eyes of Negro radicals, the followers of the movement. This last area requires entirely different tactics from the first two. Publicity about violent tendencies and radical statements merely enhances black nationalists to the last group; it adds "respectability" in a different way.
FBI Memo March 3, 1968…"

"…Instead of moarning the death one of the greatest musicians in human history we instead focus on a drug overdose.
The Overdose discrediting his legacy.
The reason why this memo is important is because it is known as the Prevent the Rise of the Black Messiah Memo released one month before the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. This is done to any black leader capable of a mass following…"

"…Prince was a black leader? And/Or a Black Messiah? I have to confess. That's news to me 8¬O…"

"…What about Ali?…"

"…Ali's political stance was way more overt and potentially subversive than anything Prince ever sang about…"

"…Ali's influence was at least as strong as Prince's…"

"…How have "THEY" smeared Ali's legacy?…"

You building a case by saving old threads?

Mumio said:

Here's something interesting that I saw on FB. Read this Instagram post from Prince's hairdresser. Notice what she said about when he put the shirt on https://www.instagram.com...&hl=en

ok let me tell yall about this shirt so Prince and I were at the hotel and Prince says go buy me a bunch of #turtleneck sweaters... done!!! so he says what can we do to make it look different I say let's cut the sleeves off so we cut them off at the shoulders he said that was to plain. So i go in for the kill at the seams... Prince puts it on backwards and #WaLahhh hes #photoshoot ready... lol He's SO FLY YALL DIDNT EVEN NOTICE . . If u look at the left shoulder its crooked #mybad We were always up to something

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What a funny story!! I would have never known that they cut the turtleneck.....I always loved that pic of him too -- he looked SO HOT!!

CooperC62057 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm not really sure why they decided to lump it all in one thread. I understand what you are saying though.

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I think regarding Prince's death; those comments should be here, but then again, the other thread also related to his death (curiosities & conspiracies).

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There are still TWO threads....."Prince curiosities" which includes conspiracies in the title and "Prince Death" - moderators have never lumped them into one. From time to time, the death thread dissapears because people can't respect each other. Not into the info about the Queen, the Illuminati or what got lit purple and why, which is why I think they should remain two separate threads but I can scroll on through while you all have that exchange.

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Yes, I am aware that there are two threads. You are late in the conversation, so perhaps you misunderstood.

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Like I said before, if people don't want to discuss the circumstances surrounding Prince's death, i.e, "theories" and "information", then they shouldn't be in here -- unless they are just trolling because they have nothing better to do with their time.

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

"…You building a case by saving old threads?…"

No. I'm not building a case for anything.

I'm giving you an opportunity to take the floor to clarify your case.

I mean. I gotta figure that you've had all this time to think up an answer.

And I've been waiting patiently ever since the time I first asked you. And if it's worth saying, then surely it's worth clarifying to those of us who are curious enough to ask for a better explanation. Isn't it?

So let's hear it?

The position has been explained many times yet instead of you going and reading them you are saving screenshots from deleated threads in order to prove what?

I know who you are and I know what you are doing here.

What I really suggest for you to do is to go to Facebook and join NPGMC Rebirthed and lets see who you are instead of hiding behind monikers.

muleFunk said:

herb4 said:

Prince's death has brought out the lunacy here. This place didn't used to be like this. It was more or less a place for general info about new music and the subsequent arguments about how good it was, usually sharply divided amongst fans of certain genres; R&B, ROCK and hip hop.

I think Prince's unfortunate death broke the brains of roughly 1/3 of our more ardent members and genuinely exposed the posters who simply liked him and his music from those who centered their entire world around his existence. I've done some research on this matter and apparently it's quite common. Cobain, Hendrix, Tupac, MJ, Elvis, Marylin Monroe, JFK...anyone who dies before their time basically...simply because they're famous means There Must Be More to It.

The grief and the profound sense of loss people feel having attached themselves and investing their self identity so much to a complete stranger...it tends to bring the lunatics out to the forefront, primarily because those fans attached so much of their sense of self to someone they basically worshipped without even having known them or met them in person.

Long story short: a LOT of people here seem to have used thier fanaticism, Prince's music and even Prince himself as so much an identifier of Who They Are as PEOPLE, that when he passed away they lost a significant portion of their own identity. Like, they can't imagine living in a world without him. They quote the Bible and then ignore the parts about false idols. It's some sort of ass backwards defense mechanism born of an inate sense of insecurity that I've seen hundreds of times but have never been able ot wrap my head around.

You claim to have knowledge on this subject but this highlighted point shows how little you actually know.

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I find it truly amazing at some people who come here and talk like they are experts at everything. They come here and put down people who have a different opinion than they do. For those people I say "Guess what? The world does not revolve around YOU!" You try and shove your opinions down other's people's throats, and it's just WRONG!! You come in here just to troll and start trouble, and you don't add anything to the conversation, but your ignorance and narrow-mindedness!! Wow, life must be truly boring for you, because you already know EVERYTHING!!

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And, it's been known for a while now that Marilyn Monroe was murdered. It's not a conspiracy anymore; it's a FACT. Furthermore, it was disgusting how the media portrayed Marilyn when she died with headlines reading "Marilyn Killed Self", just like they are doing right now, with Prince!

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http://theunredacted.com/marilyn-monroe-killing-the-legend/

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I have to say something here. You know what? For those of you don't like this thread, then why are you even here? Is this just jokes and fun for you? How pathetic!!

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I don't post on threads I have no interest in, so if you don't like it here, then why don't you try and do the same?!

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All these trolls here, acting like a bunch of juveniles, making stupid comments. Time to grow the hell up, really!!!! You think Prince's death is one big joke, don't you??!!

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Who are really the mentally-ill one's here? Hmmm.

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Ignore the haters. They are just negative energy.

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muleFunk said:

disch said:

Yeah I've had to check out of this. I sort of said to myself, do I want to be contributing in any way to paving the path for crazy talk in the world, or not?

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The talk here has been a pretty sobering reminder that there are some people who just lack evaluative and deductive skills. Like, being able to gauge the value of various sources of info. Understanding things like "probability" vs "possibility." Knowing the difference between invesigative journalism and speculative writing. Knowing the difference between "the media" as some amorphous blob and specific media outlets. Hell, even knowing the difference between fact and theory.

-

Some people say that it's important to remain "open minded" and "consider everything." I call bullshit. The power of our intellects allow us to make judgments based on information, so we don't have to waste our time and energy "considering everything." Plus, the whole "considering everything" mentality -- where there are no rules and patterns, where every cause and effect is equally likely -- is a really scary, consfusing way to live. I do have sympathy for people who live that way.

Superconductor said:

Yeah relieved to see there are some other straight thinking people around

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Haven't quite found the humour in the cray cray stuff yet.

[Edited 10/30/16 7:08am]

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Disch: Pardon my intrusion. I don't think anyone here claims to know exactly what happened to Prince. Everyone has their own theory, and we are all here for the same reason (well, most of us are), and that is the "truth" about what happened to Prince, and the circumstances surrounding his sudden death. I am a very 'open-minded' person and have always been since I was a child. I respect other people's opinions, and agree to disagree at times.

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I am not a journalist, such as yourself, and I think it's also fair to say that all of us here are only "speculating". I don't claim to know everything. I mean, if we knew and if the investigator's knew what happened to Prince and had all the answers, then this would be a closed case, but it's not, and some people seem to ignore the fact that this is still an ongoing homicide investigation.

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So until that happens, I will continue to keep an 'open-mind' and respect other people's opinions and theories here, and I expect the same in return.

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oliviacamron said:

muleFunk said:

For the record I don't think the Illumniati or the Queen or Warners had anything to do with this.

For the record ,I do.

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If people would only take the time to read (not saying you, Olivia) about the history of the Royal Family, then they would know the truth. Ignorance is a choice; I don't think humans were born that way.

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Prince himself was even quoted saying that there was some weird shit that went on at WB parties; orgy's, satanic rituals. Ever see the movie "Eyes wide shut?"

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The music industry is very satanic. All you have to do is watch the award shows (satanic rituals), and watch Beyonce & Rihanna's videos to see all the satanic symbols and rituals. The music industry puts all this out for the mindless sheeple, and they buy into it, and not really knowing what they are seeing. But, some people are wising-up.

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If people want to be ignorant, that's their choice.

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