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Reply #690 posted 10/27/16 6:40am

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They play at a level we cannot possibly imagine. And many, if not most, do not remember where they came from or have any regard for those less fortunate. I've seen it. I've lived it.

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Reply #691 posted 10/27/16 7:53am

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PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:



Mkilpatrick74 said:


fortuneandserendipity said:


She didn't know Prince though (probably one of the most private celebrities ever to have lived) and neither did most, if not all, of his closest company. That's the point, there's just too much conjecture here to know anything for certain.


She was doing inductive reasoning, which is supposition.



Withdrawal from opiates by all accounts is horrible, and people going through it don't see light at the end of the tunnel. There's no saying how bad he felt in those final hours, or even weeks, and there is no way the medical examiner can know enough to conclusively rule suicide out.



I'm not trying to project here , but I can speak from experience that withdrawals will make a strong willed Christian whos dead aet against suicide want to take her life and make the pain stop. Leave that person alone and it's a disaster in the making. You will do anything to make the pain and the withdrawals stop.

Why would he be in the elavator? Why not just take his pill and wait to be found? Why not leave a note even if it was just for his sister. Why did he have plans set up until August? Why not just stay in the hospital if the withdrawals were that bad?


Agree P was not thinking his life was going to end.
He may have had suspicions on why he was not feeling well and had Dr S run tests that he never got to see the results of.
Plus he wasn't having withdrawals, the narcan shot given in Moline had no bad side effects on P, he was clean. That why he was able to be up and around so soon. Until someone gave him the fentanyl.


Feel like I need to reword this. Didn't express myself well first time.
I'd say that withdrawals hit a peak where they will lay you out and can't function. For me it was going Ito day 3 thru 5. I had to keep moving otherwise. that's the best possible thing to do is keep busy. It's when u stop and ur alone that you are in trouble. I believe in my heart he was in pain. Chronic pain. I think it was a combo from hip, knee and possibly back. I also believe there was an underlying illness that was taking a major toll on him. I believe he was taking something for the pain after the MOline incident which would help him keep going as normal and why people are confused by it all. Now, I do not think it was fent. I think he likely took the hydrocodone (lorotab) and I think that's where the fent laced pill was. Is it possible that he got ahold of another bad pill during that flight? Whatever was in that pill would have cleared his system by time he passed. Or perhaps it was a cocktail that did it that night and maybe not even so much the opiate per say? Just thinking out loud here. God I miss him so much and I hate he was even suffering period. Crying all over again. Sorry guys , just had to get my thoughts out
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Reply #692 posted 10/27/16 9:59am

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I encourage everyone to listen to the ENTIRE video. He is not starting the song with "you know you left me"-that part is the ending of Place of Your Man(the song is all about how her man left her)-he usually tells a story and that what his ending to that piece of the "story" the he segways into Use Me, which leads into How Come U Don't Call Me. This section of the show was obviously around the theme of a failed relationship. It has noting to do with his relationship with Kirk. He used his name because Kirk is his closest friend and would be the one to approach him to "break it down" about a woman using him.


Agree completely with this comment.

People are starting to read things into every new thing they hear or see in regard to Prince. It was already ridiculous enough, and has moved way beyond that now.

Welcome to "the org", Mumio…they can have you, but I'll have your love in the end nod
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Reply #693 posted 10/27/16 11:06am

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phatphuk said:





If Prince really believed the conspiracy theory claptrap and the pseudo-science nonsense, then yeah. He was nuts — as far as I'm concerned.



But that's OK. Prince wouldn't have been the first artistic genius that spouted off with a load of horse shit — in matters not pertaining to their artistic gift



Have you ever heard Eddie Murphy's Shut up, Stevie! stand-up bit? The gist if the skit is, Stevie Wonder is another one of those musical genius types who mistakenly convinced themselves that their musical genius made them immune to talking complete and utter rubbish. The kind of pseudo-intellectual nonsense, that makes people wanna tell them…



"…Just shut the fuck up Steve…Just take the muthafuckin' award and get the fuck out…I know you a musical genius and all…but that shit don't impress me…"



Fullfillingness…The Good One!



I often got the impression from Prince, that he suffered from that same "Stevie Talking Horse Shit Again Syndrome" that Eddie Murphy joked about.



There's an old maxim that goes, "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt".



The point being: Even musical geniuses babble on about nonsense that make you wish they'd just shut up and play their friggin' guitar!



In other words: Prince was an imperfect human being.



I Warsh Myself With A Rag On A Stick!

Wow it took so many brain cells to tell us the obvious. Who did not know that Prince was not perfect. Prince even said himself he made mistakes in the industry. What does any of this have to do with the price of peas?

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Let me repeat myself (again). No one here is saying that Prince was perfect. I don't understand why you keep saying that. Perfection only exists in Heaven.

"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #694 posted 10/27/16 11:26am

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Superconductor said:

Dibblekins said:

This is sadly true. I live in North Wales - the area most affected. The rates of cancer shot up in subsequent years: many of our parents contracted it and died all at around the same time - in their fifties.

I lived in Western Europe at the time of Chernobyl. A lot of the prohibition at the time was a precaution. Not aware of any correlation between cancer risk/rate and radioactivity following Chernobyl. Do you have a source?

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It depends on the substance, its source and the atmospheric conditions how far stuff can travel. Often more likely there is a local source that causes pollution and any associated health and morbidity/mortality outcomes.

I don't trust nuclear power stations full stop. Waste disposal can be an issue. Something can always go wrong. Some al-qaeda nuts kept surveying Sellafield, which makes you think what could happen if one was overrun. And of course we already know what happens when an earthquake or tsunami strikes. Hopefully nuclear fusion will be the future, not fission. Prince and other celebrities should be speaking more on things like this, to draw public attention (only dicaprio is doing so, even in his acceptance speeches!) not on side issues or make believe chemtrails.


Prince on myers-briggs scale is thought to have been an ISFP. I wish as a ISTP myself, he had been a bit less 'feeling' and more 'thinking'. But then his genuis wouldn't likely have happened, because he was much more feeling than average, one reason his music connects so strongly with people. Sorry for rambling but I think P's somewhat esoteric thinking comes with the package.

The world's problems like climate change can only be solved through strategic long-term thinking, not expediency. In other words all the govts. need sacking!

If you can add value to someone's life then why not. Especially if it colors their days...
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Reply #695 posted 10/27/16 11:42am

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Mkilpatrick74 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:


Agree P was not thinking his life was going to end.
He may have had suspicions on why he was not feeling well and had Dr S run tests that he never got to see the results of.
Plus he wasn't having withdrawals, the narcan shot given in Moline had no bad side effects on P, he was clean. That why he was able to be up and around so soon. Until someone gave him the fentanyl.

Withdrawals don't always lay you out. I've seen folks keep it moving while detoxing. Matter of fact, that's the best possible thing to do is keep busy. It's when u stop and ur alone that you are in trouble. I believe in my heart he was in pain. Chronic pain. I think it was a combo from hip, knee and possibly back. I also believe there was an underlying illness that was taking a major toll on him. I believe he was taking something for the pain after the MOline incident which would help him keep going as normal and why people are confused by it all. Now, I do not think it was fent. I think he likely took the hydrocodone (lorotab) and I think that's where the fent laced pill was. Is it possible that he got ahold of another bad pill during that flight? Whatever was in that pill would have cleared his system by time he passed. Or perhaps it was a cocktail that did it that night and maybe not even so much the opiate per say? Just thinking out loud here. God I miss him so much and I hate he was even suffering period. Crying all over again. Sorry guys , just had to get my thoughts out
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-- I read that pain pill withdrawals put you on your ass. I think he may have already gone through the withdrawals before he went out on tour and those pics from the tour are the after effects and maybe he had a relapse or the withdrawals took a tool on his health. The withdrawals can cause seizures and flu like issues.
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Reply #696 posted 10/27/16 2:11pm

Mkilpatrick74

laurarichardson said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:


Withdrawals don't always lay you out. I've seen folks keep it moving while detoxing. Matter of fact, that's the best possible thing to do is keep busy. It's when u stop and ur alone that you are in trouble. I believe in my heart he was in pain. Chronic pain. I think it was a combo from hip, knee and possibly back. I also believe there was an underlying illness that was taking a major toll on him. I believe he was taking something for the pain after the MOline incident which would help him keep going as normal and why people are confused by it all. Now, I do not think it was fent. I think he likely took the hydrocodone (lorotab) and I think that's where the fent laced pill was. Is it possible that he got ahold of another bad pill during that flight? Whatever was in that pill would have cleared his system by time he passed. Or perhaps it was a cocktail that did it that night and maybe not even so much the opiate per say? Just thinking out loud here. God I miss him so much and I hate he was even suffering period. Crying all over again. Sorry guys , just had to get my thoughts out
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-- I read that pain pill withdrawals put you on your ass. I think he may have already gone through the withdrawals before he went out on tour and those pics from the tour are the after effects and maybe he had a relapse or the withdrawals took a tool on his health. The withdrawals can cause seizures and flu like issues.


You are probably correct. Maybe he was coming out of the worst part of it. I do not want to seem like I'm projecting my experience onto his cause we are all doff. I have tho, just for perspective, personally experienced opiate withdrawal once in my 10 years of being on pain meds. The first 24-48 hours not too too bad. After that, I won't lie, I felt like SHIT!!! my whole body hurt. I couldn't eat or drink. I could not sit still. I had to keep moving. I was sick / vomiting, chills but pouring sweat, my legs wouldn't stop jerking (apparently this is common symptom comparable to horrific RLS). I was in so much pain and my body jerked all over..I ended up in ER but obviously they could do nothing but I needed fluids and they gave me something to help with the side effects which helped. I believe it was moving from the end of day 2 with no meds thru day 5 that my mom held me and rocked me and kept me from doing something stupid. She said I kept saying God plz take me I can't live in pain anymore. So.....I think maybe Dr S gave him something to help with the side effects if he was trying to go cold turkey. I just know chronic pain ....man, I don't know, I feel like he had to take something if he was not as bad as I was. You know? But I don't think it was Fentynal
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Reply #697 posted 10/27/16 2:27pm

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Mkilpatrick74 said:

laurarichardson said:
-- I read that pain pill withdrawals put you on your ass. I think he may have already gone through the withdrawals before he went out on tour and those pics from the tour are the after effects and maybe he had a relapse or the withdrawals took a tool on his health. The withdrawals can cause seizures and flu like issues.
You are probably correct. Maybe he was coming out of the worst part of it. I do not want to seem like I'm projecting my experience onto his cause we are all doff. I have tho, just for perspective, personally experienced opiate withdrawal once in my 10 years of being on pain meds. The first 24-48 hours not too too bad. After that, I won't lie, I felt like SHIT!!! my whole body hurt. I couldn't eat or drink. I could not sit still. I had to keep moving. I was sick / vomiting, chills but pouring sweat, my legs wouldn't stop jerking (apparently this is common symptom comparable to horrific RLS). I was in so much pain and my body jerked all over..I ended up in ER but obviously they could do nothing but I needed fluids and they gave me something to help with the side effects which helped. I believe it was moving from the end of day 2 with no meds thru day 5 that my mom held me and rocked me and kept me from doing something stupid. She said I kept saying God plz take me I can't live in pain anymore. So.....I think maybe Dr S gave him something to help with the side effects if he was trying to go cold turkey. I just know chronic pain ....man, I don't know, I feel like he had to take something if he was not as bad as I was. You know? But I don't think it was Fentynal [Edited 10/27/16 14:14pm] [Edited 10/27/16 14:15pm] [Edited 10/27/16 14:19pm]

This is what I am talking about someone in the middle of a withdrawal is not going to be traveling while they are in pain and vomiting. He had to have been throught the worst of it before he left for Australia. We know Dr. S did not write him any pain pill RX but did write him Rx for other meds that were not controlled substances. Maybe the Doc was giving him something to help get him off or maybe something else was going on with his help. I don't see why the doctor would be bringing him test results or Prince would be going back and forth to the Dr office.

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Reply #698 posted 10/27/16 4:17pm

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Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek

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Reply #699 posted 10/27/16 4:24pm

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Astasheiks said:Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek thumbs up! Bingo! You are CORRECT!

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Reply #700 posted 10/27/16 4:26pm

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precioux said:Astasheiks said:Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek thumbs up! Bingo! you are CORRECT!

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Reply #701 posted 10/27/16 4:29pm

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Astasheiks said:

Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek

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Reply #702 posted 10/27/16 4:39pm

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Astasheiks said:

Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek



Oh? Are we talking about Ray Roberts or someone else? Would you have a link for that please?

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Reply #703 posted 10/27/16 4:43pm

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Mumio said: Astasheiks said: Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek Oh? Are we talking about Ray Roberts or someone else? Would you have a link for that please? Ray Roberts and his wife

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Reply #704 posted 10/27/16 4:55pm

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Astasheiks said:

Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek


No they did not work for the Queen. They own a vegetarian restaurant in Minneapolis.
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Reply #705 posted 10/27/16 4:55pm

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Mumio said: Astasheiks said: Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek Oh? Are we talking about Ray Roberts or someone else? Would you have a link for that please? Ray Roberts and his wife

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Reply #706 posted 10/27/16 4:56pm

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Astasheiks said:

Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek

No they did not work for the Queen. They own a vegetarian restaurant in Minneapolis.


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.

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Reply #707 posted 10/27/16 4:58pm

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Ray Roberts twitter page.......he mentions Prince a lot. Even has a pic of what's on the Menu at PP.

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https://twitter.com/raymondrr4

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #708 posted 10/27/16 5:00pm

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Mumio said:



laurarichardson said:


Astasheiks said:

Supposedly those chefs have worked for the Queen before.... eek



No they did not work for the Queen. They own a vegetarian restaurant in Minneapolis.


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.


-/ I will find the interview he did after Prince died. He said he and his wife owned a restuarant in the city. No mention of the Queen.
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Reply #709 posted 10/27/16 5:01pm

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Prince stained glass window........WTH??

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What's with the skulls and skeletons? Creepy!!

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Image result for juell roberts chef

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Reply #710 posted 10/27/16 5:04pm

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laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.

-/ I will find the interview he did after Prince died. He said he and his wife owned a restuarant in the city. No mention of the Queen.

laurarichardson, just in case it wasn't obvious....I did not believe this about the Queen and wanted proof with a link. I wonder about some people's motives here.....but not you.

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Reply #711 posted 10/27/16 5:05pm

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laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.

-/ I will find the interview he did after Prince died. He said he and his wife owned a restuarant in the city. No mention of the Queen.

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People's Organic

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Ray & Juell Roberts, owners.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/juell-roberts-079582b

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Reply #712 posted 10/27/16 5:14pm

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said: -/ I will find the interview he did after Prince died. He said he and his wife owned a restuarant in the city. No mention of the Queen.

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People's Organic

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Ray & Juell Roberts, owners.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/juell-roberts-079582b


Can't access, I don't have a linkedin account.

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Reply #713 posted 10/27/16 5:14pm

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Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

Astasheiks said: No they did not work for the Queen. They own a vegetarian restaurant in Minneapolis.


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.

Here's a link for the chef interview. It says nothing about working for the Queen. They own a business in MN.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/may/02/princes-last-supper-went-untouched-says-musicians-personal-chef

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Reply #714 posted 10/27/16 5:18pm

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Mumio said:

cloveringold85 said:

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People's Organic

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Ray & Juell Roberts, owners.

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/juell-roberts-079582b


Can't access, I don't have a linkedin account.

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You don't need an account. All the info is on the link:

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Reply #715 posted 10/27/16 5:21pm

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Hey CLOVER where did you find the stained glass at ???????? eek

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Reply #716 posted 10/27/16 5:22pm

cloveringold85

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zenarose said:

Mumio said:


Well how interesting!!! How are others here saying that this is true??? BTW, I couldn't find anything with a quick search.

Here's a link for the chef interview. It says nothing about working for the Queen. They own a business in MN.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/may/02/princes-last-supper-went-untouched-says-musicians-personal-chef

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I did read somewhere that either Ray or Juell Roberts worked for a catering company that was affiliated with the Queen. It's not in any of those articles about Prince.

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It will take some digging to find it, but it's out there, somewhere.

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #717 posted 10/27/16 5:23pm

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Hey CLOVER where did you find the stained glass at ???????? eek

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Oh, sorry. It's on Ray Roberts twitter page!! I think it was made by the JW. This is the first I have heard about it.

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Not sure if they are putting it in the church.

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"With love, honor, and respect for every living thing in the universe, separation ceases, and we all become one being, singing one song." - Prince Roger Nelson (1958-2016)
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Reply #718 posted 10/27/16 5:28pm

zenarose

cloveringold85 said:

zenarose said:

Here's a link for the chef interview. It says nothing about working for the Queen. They own a business in MN.

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/may/02/princes-last-supper-went-untouched-says-musicians-personal-chef

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I did read somewhere that either Ray or Juell Roberts worked for a catering company that was affiliated with the Queen. It's not in any of those articles about Prince.

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It will take some digging to find it, but it's out there, somewhere.

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OMGsh!!I have never heard that. wink

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Reply #719 posted 10/27/16 5:28pm

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zenarose said:

Hey CLOVER where did you find the stained glass at ???????? eek

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Zena:

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I just looked at it again. It was a retweet by Ray Roberts.....

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Amazing stained glass art by 4 Milton Keynes UK

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