laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

laurarichardson said:

/. In the original song Bill Withers said his brother sat right down and talked to me. Prince put in Kirk instead of brother. I do think he is actually complaining about people using him in general. I just wonder who he meant.

So there's also a good reason he sung the song in the first place and then puts Kirk's name in it.

The one person who knows everything is KJ. What a book that would be.

Mumio said:

Mkilpatrick74 said:

Mumio said:

People should take note of this.

Also, no one should think that because "future plans" were made that it means anything at all. Everyone, even terminally ill people, make future plans because death dates aren't set in stone, all anyone gets is a date range. I don't know why people think his future plans meant anything more than exactly that.

Agree!! Also, he clearly wanted what was going on to remain his "battle to fight" and so I think he would have kept ! making plans to ensure nothing triggered the media to start digging deeper into his life.

Exactly. I'm not sure why people can't see this for what it is.

sonshine said:

oliviacamron said:

Prince definitely had plans and it was not to die. In August 2015 Prince has 10 all black reporters to his home to announce his plans to overthrow the music industry!!! I can't post the links , as there are more than one article but Google it. The Root.com August 10 th, 2015. Article BY Brian Monroe : PRINCE compares music industry to slavery.

I agree. And it's what makes the process of grieving his loss so damn hard. He should still be here. His death was sudden and unexpected. I'm glad people want to find those responsible (if that scenario fits this situation) and hold them accountable. But I do wish people would calm down, take a deep breath, and ease up on the endless speculation and personal theories about his last days on earth. He would be mortified by the liberties people are taking in discussing his very private life and very personal matters. Not to mention the nastiness of some org members towards others. This is not a time to fight with each other. Let the people working the investigation do their jobs. They will get to the bottom of this. It's very important for them to get this right. Prince was well respected here in MN. But also his is a high profile case at a time when the opioid epidemic has reached a critical point. His untimely and unfortunate death may be the turning point finally as his stature as someone famous got people's attention. The last thing any of us wants is to turn his death, the circumstances around it and the investigation into a circus. Sometimes that's what it feels like in these threads. I'm not judging anyone here or trying to tell anyone what to do. Prince was a pretty class act who attracted a lot of classy fans - all of us!

Mkilpatrick74 said:

I just have to say that as hard as it's been to lose this beautiful soul, his death wasn't in vain. Why? Because it saved my life. I had hit a critical point in my life where i was tolerant to my pain meds and I was having to take more and more to get relief. I was so afraid to say anything BC of the stigma that comes from needing these meds, especially in high doses, that I suffered and battled for almost s year. I had a gastric bypass which makes my meds also not be absorbed like a normal person. You can see where this is going. It wasn't long after his death that I finally broke down and talked to my pain Dr who made adjustments immediately. Since then, I am in less pain than in 10 years. I'm not even having to take the whole dosage a lot of the times. I will forever be indebted to this man BC who knows where id be had I not opened my eyes to the dangers surrounding this issue. I love you Prince and miss u like crazy!!! [Edited 10/26/16 7:39am]

Bless your heart...

cloveringold85 said:

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Olivia: I don't think they are "buying time". They have more people to question. I'm actually releived that they aren't rushing through this case just to be done with it. I hope they make sure no stone goes unturned.

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oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

Just curious if anyone realizes that less than a month ago (10/4?) It was stated that this was still an ongoing investigation, but that they "only had ONE person on the case", being that basially they didn't have time to put all efforts into this one case and that they had to concentrate on more active cases. Soo...to have the investigation team all of a sudden state that this is a VERY ACTIVE HOMICIDE case, leads me to believe that yes, this was a stall tactic, knowing that otherwise, the warrant would have had to be unsealed this week. I'm not saying that the case should be closed, I'm just disputing the fact that it was stated there was only one detective on the case (less than a month ago), and now it is considered "highly active"....thoughts?

precioux said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Olivia: I don't think they are "buying time". They have more people to question. I'm actually releived that they aren't rushing through this case just to be done with it. I hope they make sure no stone goes unturned.

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Just curious if anyone realizes that less than a month ago (10/4?) It was stated that this was still an ongoing investigation, but that they "only had ONE person on the case", being that basially they didn't have time to put all efforts into this one case and that they had to concentrate on more active cases. Soo...to have the investigation team all of a sudden state that this is a VERY ACTIVE HOMICIDE case, leads me to believe that yes, this was a stall tactic, knowing that otherwise, the warrant would have had to be unsealed this week. I'm not saying that the case should be closed, I'm just disputing the fact that it was stated there was only one detective on the case (less than a month ago), and now it is considered "highly active"....thoughts?

Maybe they said they only had one person, part-time, on the case to throw any possibly guilty parties off the scent? Make them think the case was winding down / virtually closed and hope that they'd drop their guard as a result?

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Just curious if anyone realizes that less than a month ago (10/4?) It was stated that this was still an ongoing investigation, but that they "only had ONE person on the case", being that basially they didn't have time to put all efforts into this one case and that they had to concentrate on more active cases. Soo...to have the investigation team all of a sudden state that this is a VERY ACTIVE HOMICIDE case, leads me to believe that yes, this was a stall tactic, knowing that otherwise, the warrant would have had to be unsealed this week. I'm not saying that the case should be closed, I'm just disputing the fact that it was stated there was only one detective on the case (less than a month ago), and now it is considered "highly active"....thoughts?

-- They information came from an unamed source. It was not official notice from the police. I would take this latest news seriously. No police department keeps cases open if they don't have leads. They want to close cases quickly and remember some butt face is distributing mislabeled pills. This is not just about Prince.

Thanks for clearing up the "unnamed source"...I honestly thought this was a stall tactic to not release the warrants that were due to be unsealed 180 days later...which would've meant unsealing this week.. I want justice just as bad as anyone and am pretty much consumed with every little tidbit that comes out. I just hope that it is VERY ACTIVE as stated

precioux said:

1Sasha said:

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

So there's also a good reason he sung the song in the first place and then puts Kirk's name in it.

-/ Yes, in the orinal song the brother is asking Bill why is letting some chick use him and Bill is saying he likes being used by this women as he is getting a benefit out of it. Prince is saying he is tired of being used and I am not sure if he included Kirk to say Kirk was doing the using or just to do the song as if he is complaing to Kirk about the users. Put this with Apples post and it makes you wonder about who was he distrustful of and how come he just did not get rid of him.

Superconductor said:

cloveringold85 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

"…I think most people's starting point is wrong. They're imagining P to be this infallible person who had no insecurities. Then they rationalise that someone else must be to blame…

…The whole illuminati concept is a misnomer btw, and just feeds conspiracy theories…"

"…Certainly no one here is implying that Prince was a saint. None of us are perfect…

…Prince himself even spoke openly about the Illuminati, NWO, Chemtrails and corrupt government. I have great respect for Prince because he had the courage to speak out on what was wrong in the world. He was an intelligent person, not some nut case!! You call us nuts is the same thing as calling Prince nuts, as far as I'm concerned…

…Prince was about the truth, peace and justice and that is all we want for him -- he deserves nothing less…"

"…I would not rely on Prince for any insight into issues outside music. He was into conspiracy theories…

…Chemtrails, new world order, illuminati and also the stuff around the third eye pineal gland are all conspiracy theories that have been debunkend again and again. So thoroughly debunked and so easy to debunk that it is astounding anyone who went through high school could still believe this rubbish. But there you go…

…Prince also believed that the word God has been deliberately deleted from the Bible to control people. That is based on JW doctrine and plain ignorant. The practice of using the word Lord instead of the Tetragrammaton is based on a custom/law in Judaism not to pronounce the name of God in its original Hebrew form YHWH and say the word Adonai in its place which means My Lord or My Master. Hence the translations of the Hebrew Bible used the word Lord in those places where the Hebrew says YHWH…"

Man! I'm glad somebody else has finally said what I've always thought about Prince's position on things outside his field of expertise. Thank's Superconductor!

At the 05:40 mark of this impromptu live radio interview, Prince says, "There's no such thing as UFOs…"

I think it's pretty revealing about Prince, how, on one hand the guy can apply scientific reasoning and logic — "cause and effect" — with rational thinking and razor sharp sceptism when it comes to UFOs.

But then on the other hand he tosses all his skeptism and logic out the window when it comes to a lot of the other conspiratorial, pseudo-science nonsense in which he's purported to have believed.

Talk about a mass of contradictions?

Incidentally — Superconductor raises an interesting point about education. For any of you kids out there that poo-poo the value of a higher education. Just keep this in mind: A high school education teaches you how to do homework. An undergraduate/graduate education teaches you how to think.

Superconductor said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

All true I think. At one point I was more suspecting there was something to chemtrails because of the high level of metals found in soil pretty much everywhere. Believing, for example, that copious amounts of barium and aluminium derived from them. (Alas, if you believe everything you read) But now I'm more inclined to think it's power stations that are the main culprit. One thing's for sure we're making our planet sick and our planet is making us sick. Starting with the evidence from some on this thread

Yeah there is certainly some sick stuff being posted in this endless death thread.

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Re the other thing. There could be many sources for heavy metals in soils. Certainly could be transported by air but from a plane 10,000 m up high? Lol, very inefficient way of distribution. Much more likely a source closer to the ground or in the ground e.g. factories, traffic, building materials, paints, even some fertilisers or pesticides etc.

You might be surprised actually just how far pollution can travel. When chernobyl happened, farmland in Wales had to be prohibited from use for food produce. Wales is nowhere near Ukraine.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

People on this thread and others consistently convey impression P could do no wrong, that it was the fault of others in not helping him. JH, Warners, the doctors involved towards the end. Check again potstirrer.

And I think you're the person who bullshits more than most, just on account of being the biggest potstirrer around.

-- No one conveys the impression of anything. It is just you and your foolishness.

Is that the best you can do, resort to another baseless ad hominem attack?

Conspiracy thread http://prince.org/msg/7/433876

Dibblekins said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said: -- No one conveys the impression of anything. It is just you and your foolishness.

Is that the best you can do, resort to another baseless ad hominem attack?

Conspiracy thread http://prince.org/msg/7/433876

We already discussed that even Prince did not see himself as perfect based on his own comments.

If some fans think that so what. That is their opinion which is just not based on anything factual.

What does people thinking P is perfect have to do with his death investigation? He was a human who was in pain as he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal management and meeting with a doctor for going to have rehab/pain med alternative center.

Sounds like someone with his heatlh issues who was far from perfect. So fucking what.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

laurarichardson said:

-/ Yes, in the orinal song the brother is asking Bill why is letting some chick use him and Bill is saying he likes being used by this women as he is getting a benefit out of it. Prince is saying he is tired of being used and I am not sure if he included Kirk to say Kirk was doing the using or just to do the song as if he is complaing to Kirk about the users. Put this with Apples post and it makes you wonder about who was he distrustful of and how come he just did not get rid of him.

Hmmmmm I wonder if he was going to get rid of him or was giving him another chance?? Only KJ knows and maybe Appolonia.

When was the last time he talked to Appolonia?

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

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The song is called 'Use Me' - and P's take on the lyrics is very interesting...

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/. In the original song Bill Withers said his brother sat right down and talked to me. Prince put in Kirk instead of brother. I do think he is actually complaining about people using him in general. I just wonder who he meant.

Since he starts the song by saying that "you know you left me", I think he is talking about a woman.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Is that the best you can do, resort to another baseless ad hominem attack?

Conspiracy thread http://prince.org/msg/7/433876

We already discussed that even Prince did not see himself as perfect based on his own comments.

If some fans think that so what. That is their opinion which is just not based on anything factual.

What does people thinking P is perfect have to do with his death investigation? He was a human who was in pain as he was seeing a doctor for withdrawal management and meeting with a doctor for going to have rehab/pain med alternative center.

Sounds like someone with his heatlh issues who was far from perfect. So fucking what.

At no point did I refer to how Prince viewed himself. And it does matter what some fans think. Bc if they view P as nothing less than perfect then they're more likely to draw batshit crazy conclusions. Which suggests they have health issues of their own. As herb4 said, how do they get through the day?

tmo1965 said:

joytotheworld said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Mkilpatrick74 said: that's a good one

Sorry to be off topic as well but hell yes absolutely sizzlin' hot...Dont shoot me but in this photo he sorta looks like a younger Dave Navarro.

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yea, now that you mention it -- he kinda does!! LOL

phatphuk said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

It's obvious there are a few that are not here for Prince. He was educated on many subjects from politics to what is happening in the world today... including New World Order,Chemtrails and the illuminati and was helping get the word out despite what some may think.

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Yes, Prince was very intelligent. He only began to share his thoughts with us recently.

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I think some people need to read their history books again.

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The truth it out there, but some people refuse to believe it, even if it smacked them upside their heads!

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oliviacamron said:

Prince definitely had plans and it was not to die. In August 2015 Prince has 10 all black reporters to his home to announce his plans to overthrow the music industry!!! I can't post the links , as there are more than one article but Google it. The Root.com August 10 th, 2015. Article BY Brian Monroe : PRINCE compares music industry to slavery.

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Yes, and amen, Olivia!! I know which article you are referring to. Prince called a meeting at PP and he was disclosing a lot of B.S. about the music industry.

PennyPurple said:

If Prince had seizures as a child, maybe they were coming back as an adult. Just a thought.

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Yes, many of us have thought that as well.

sonshine said:

oliviacamron said:

Prince definitely had plans and it was not to die. In August 2015 Prince has 10 all black reporters to his home to announce his plans to overthrow the music industry!!! I can't post the links , as there are more than one article but Google it. The Root.com August 10 th, 2015. Article BY Brian Monroe : PRINCE compares music industry to slavery.

I agree. And it's what makes the process of grieving his loss so damn hard. He should still be here. His death was sudden and unexpected. I'm glad people want to find those responsible (if that scenario fits this situation) and hold them accountable. But I do wish people would calm down, take a deep breath, and ease up on the endless speculation and personal theories about his last days on earth. He would be mortified by the liberties people are taking in discussing his very private life and very personal matters. Not to mention the nastiness of some org members towards others. This is not a time to fight with each other. Let the people working the investigation do their jobs. They will get to the bottom of this. It's very important for them to get this right. Prince was well respected here in MN. But also his is a high profile case at a time when the opioid epidemic has reached a critical point. His untimely and unfortunate death may be the turning point finally as his stature as someone famous got people's attention. The last thing any of us wants is to turn his death, the circumstances around it and the investigation into a circus. Sometimes that's what it feels like in these threads. I'm not judging anyone here or trying to tell anyone what to do. Prince was a pretty class act who attracted a lot of classy fans - all of us!

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Very well said.