PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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PurpleDiamonds: Thank you for saying that!! We are on the same page!!

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People say I am "crazy" for believing in so-called "conspiracies" (NWO), but Prince HIMSELF even spoke out about the very same things!! Oh yea, and Prince teaming-up with TIDAL? I thought that was bizarre, to say the least!! So, with that said, al those people can say Prince was crazy too!! Yea, it's me, Prince and I got your back, honey!!

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Definitely on the same page & I got your back too After all a lot of this was from Prince's way of thinking. Loved that about him!! I will always believe in what P was putting out there for us to know. He was very knowledgeable and was trying to help all that would listen. We are far from being crazy, we just simply do not follow the false leads and believe all the untruths being told. Especially in the media after all look who owns them. IMO .... He himself would not have wanted to die the way he did.

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PurpleDiamonds: Thank you for saying that. The fact that his family is not being "truthful" (and maybe they can't because of the ongoing estate battle), is just going to make for more controversy surrounding his death.

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I was thinking yesterday; do you notice how when MJ died, no one was really being "hush" about it. His brothers and sisters did interviews and spoke about it very openly. Yet, we lose another incredible Icon, such as PRINCE, and no one wants to say a damn thing about it. Yea, I know what people will say "Prince was a private man", and we should respect that. I know, I know -- put I keep going back to how Prince lived his life and he was all about the TRUTH. And, after the incident in Atlanta he said to US.....(those who loved him), "Don't believe the media"......so, there ya go!!

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I don't follow "false prophets", I seek the TRUTH & I am glad that we both can see things from Prince's point-of-view.

cloveringold85 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

cloveringold85 said: Definitely on the same page & I got your back too After all a lot of this was from Prince's way of thinking. Loved that about him!! I will always believe in what P was putting out there for us to know. He was very knowledgeable and was trying to help all that would listen. We are far from being crazy, we just simply do not follow the false leads and believe all the untruths being told. Especially in the media after all look who owns them. IMO .... He himself would not have wanted to die the way he did.

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PurpleDiamonds: Thank you for saying that. The fact that his family is not being "truthful" (and maybe they can't because of the ongoing estate battle), is just going to make for more controversy surrounding his death.

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I was thinking yesterday; do you notice how when MJ died, no one was really being "hush" about it. His brothers and sisters did interviews and spoke about it very openly. Yet, we lose another incredible Icon, such as PRINCE, and no one wants to say a damn thing about it. Yea, I know what people will say "Prince was a private man", and we should respect that. I know, I know -- put I keep going back to how Prince lived his life and he was all about the TRUTH. And, after the incident in Atlanta he said to US.....(those who loved him), "Don't believe the media"......so, there ya go!!

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I don't follow "false prophets", I seek the TRUTH & I am glad that we both can see things from Prince's point-of-view.

Well MJ had a living trust so nothing that his family had to say made one bit of difference. Everything was taken care and they had no say.

That Rolling Stone article was an eye opener for me. IIRC that mentions the skeletal staff/lack of security at PP plus the frayed couch. I brought that couch up once before. It is my understanding that PP was kept in pristine condition for many years, with the walls re-painted every six months or so. To have a couch in disrepair in Prince's home - when we have known for years that he is extremely meticulous in everything he does and what is around him - speaks volumes to me about how things were changing in his life. This was 2014. Two years ago. Just think about it. The "old" Prince would have seen that and had staff fix or replace it immediately, or been angry that they had not taken care of it without his telling them to. It might not have appeared on the "new" Prince's radar.

1Sasha said:

That Rolling Stone article was an eye opener for me. IIRC that mentions the skeletal staff/lack of security at PP plus the frayed couch. I brought that couch up once before. It is my understanding that PP was kept in pristine condition for many years, with the walls re-painted every six months or so. To have a couch in disrepair in Prince's home - when we have known for years that he is extremely meticulous in everything he does and what is around him - speaks volumes to me about how things were changing in his life. This was 2014. Two years ago. Just think about it. The "old" Prince would have seen that and had staff fix or replace it immediately, or been angry that they had not taken care of it without his telling them to. It might not have appeared on the "new" Prince's radar.

Yes, in those two years he had PP remade into a museum. The interior designer who did some of the painting posted their work on line a few weeks ago. It appears he had remodeled many of the rooms since the interview was done.

Spending two years transforming his home studio into a public place and even taking out his Basketball court. What does that tell you?

MMJas said:

ladygirl99 said:

Yup.

You do made a good point too that either way Prince wanted to die. Let's forget for a moment that he was terminal ill. Lets say he solely have some drug issues. Still Tyka said she was prepared for two years, Prince also didn't leave a will and went to sign with WB get his master's back (I bet WB already knew he was dying) and moved all of his songs from his name to his publishing company NPG Music, and he looked frailed and sick starting around 2014 (prior the man looked vibrant and happy and healthy too), made peace with the likes of Morris Day (Morris claimed he hadnt spoken to Prince in several years ), Jellybean, called Dez for the first time in 12 years, reflecting a lot during Piano and Mic Tour, have the tear in his avatar pic and the two eyes closed that all signs of a man who no longer wants to be here.

I disagree. I think it's the sign of a man who believes he sees everything all too clearly, without the restriction of the other two eyes that can easily get fooled. Only the 3rd eye sees right through it.

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I dont want to offend anyone here, but I think some of you are reading into this too much. What I mean by that is this; all his tweets/messages and his avatar with a "tear" could mean something completely different than what WE are thinking. We just don't know what Prince was thinking or feeling at that time. He tweeted things like......"Wait a few days"......"Don't believe what you hear in the news"........"I don't believe in this world anymore."........."How many people can get along?"..........

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I think he was talking about the "world" in general, and maybe not about "himself", or how long he had on this earth.

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I do not believe Prince had a "terminal" illness. I think he was struggling with his pain and "dependency" on pills for his pain. He didn't get the help he needed....he got "bad pills" and took Fentanyl (probably unknowingly)......from who? We don't know......and now he is gone.

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

Another unanswered question remains: Where is the video tape of Prince' Surveillance cameras on April 20th and 21st? Yea, we all heard the stories that it was "shut-off and/or the bill hadn't been "paid" and yadda, yadda, but I'm not buying that excuse; Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain and he would not have the security system turned-off, no way!!

Yes. How come the Police was called to PP on so many occasions concerning possible intruders, etc, and the cameras were conveniently off when the most important incident of them all happens at PP?

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MMJ....yes, exactly. Probably because it was "premeditated".

laurarichardson said:

MMJas said:

So you think there was no OD on the plane?
Also, do you believe JH's story? I mean, it's her word against nobody else's, really. cause nobody else who was on that plane is speaking out. Again, Kirk would know...

Why would she lie? She knew the autopsy report would be coming out so what say he was calm if he was not? It is also easy to find out when the plane did actually take off from Moline. So the TMZ crap about him leaving a few hours later because he could not get a private room can be disputed. Many people have said he would not have been calm after those Narcon shots if he was filled with Opiads and even Doctor Drew said that what Judith Hill described came off as a seziure and not an opiad overdose. I also remember Dr. Drew saying most addicts do not die from O.D. but usually because they are mixing the pain meds with something else or the withdrawals kill them.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

To much missing info about Moline?

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Everyone's story concerning Prince's "health" and the "O/D" on the plane does not add up!!

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I thought about the pills P had on his person (supposedly) in Moline; so the hospital and authorities just sent him on his merrily way?.......no questions or concerns? Hmmm.

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I also read conflicting stories on "how long" Prince was in the hospital in Moline. JH claims he was there for several hours and left the next morning. Then, there is another report saying, Prince was only there for 3-hours, then flew back to MN.

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Nothing about the events leading up to and after Prince's death adds up!

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1Sasha said:

Oh, to be a fly on the wall in the offices of the Moline hospital lawyers ... There are a lot of people who know what happened there, and no one is talking, except JH. If she loved him so much, and was at PP every two weeks or so, why didn't she do something to help him? The family must like her very much, because she has sung at his private memorial, her photo is on display at PP, she is participating in various purple events, including IIRC Sheila E.'s 2017 cruise. I agree with others who have said the only thing we know for sure is the immediate cause of death from the ME report. Everything else is speculation, and nothing adds up IMO. Nothing.

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cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

SPRAKA said:

Hi Laura, I applaud your efforts on trying put this frustrating puzzle together.

Is your theory that Prince simply had a terminal illness and that he either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before he reached the debilitating end stage of that illness? If so, I think that's very plausible.

At this point it is also plausible is that he simply had a battle with chronic pain and either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before that battle became public knowledge.

I do believe there is more to it, bacause of all the mysterious f*ckery surrounding his last days.

I was going to criticize his family for being mysterious about everything but how can I? The full autopsy report could be inconclusive. They might not know yet what really happened so they don't have much to tell us.

The time is now for Prince fans to keep investigating and pushing because once the case is closed its going to be hard to reopen it. There is a small window of opportunity here.

. Is your theory that Prince simply had a terminal illness and that he either accidentally or intentionally overdosed before he reached the debilitating end stage of that illness?

I think he was in a lot of pain and accidently overdosed. People should not discount chronic pain and how crazy that can make a person.

If he was withdrawing and still having chronic pain who knows were his mind was.

I also know that these pain pills can wreak havoc on your organs, respiratory system, and digestive system. He was going to get test results from Dr. S the next day.

He was going back and forth seeing Dr. S. You don't need to go back and forth to a doctor to be told you have AIDS, Chronic Pain or reminded that you are withdrawing from pain pills. In addition, Dr. S wrote him other Rxs (not for pain pills) so something else was going on and it is appearing that he did do some estate planning for PP and royalties.

I mean Real Estate can just be sold off and whatever funds he had that were liquid ( if any at all) are divided amount his sibs. I wish his family would just come out with it but they might not know all that much and the rest of he ME report could be inconclusive. He body could have been a wreak and any numerous things could have taken him.

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I agree. It could be any number of things. (including some serious foul play) He was obviously in a vulnerable state and was an easy target for someone or someones to take advantage of. Look at how Howard Hughes people treated him in his last days.

Going forward I am not sure what Prince fans can do about all of this but then again I don't know who's actually on this site. Maybe someone on this site knows one of the kool aid drinkers in Prince's camp and can encourage them to start talking. (if they think there was foul play). Why all the secrecy tho? Usually people are secretive when something criminal has gone down.

This case reminds me of the death of Jim Morrison. The official story was that he was a heavy drinker and died of a heart attack in a Paris. Over 30 years laters a friend came forward and claimed that Jim died of a heroin overdose in a nightclub bathroom and the owners decided to quietly move him to his apartment. (That's criminal). And then singer Marianne Faithfull came forward with her account which is quite interesting.

Check it out.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/music-news/11017459/Marianne-Faithfull-I-know-who-killed-Jim-Morrison.html

Something similar could have happened to Prince.

phatphuk said:

PennyPurple said:

"…As I said, it is all my opinion. The only thing that isn't my opinion that is basically fact is: the accidental overdose…"

You ask PennyPurple how she knows whatever. So let me ask you the same thing.

How would you — cloveringold85 — KNOW what Prince would never approve of? How do you know "Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain"?

Wait. Let me guess. Because Prince himself personally told you that his Moms used to call him Skipper? Right?

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Hi PhatPhuck: To answer your questions. PennyPurple said it was her/his "opinion".

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Prince ran a tight ship and I got that impression from people who were "close" to him. Prince controlled his music and all his PP business affairs; he was the "master and commander" of his ship! We all know this.

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I didn't say anything about his nickname "Skipper".

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laurarichardson said:

phatphuk said:

You ask PennyPurple how she knows whatever. So let me ask you the same thing.

How would you — cloveringold85 — KNOW what Prince would never approve of? How do you know "Prince ran PP like a Ship Captain"?

Wait. Let me guess. Because Prince himself personally told you that his Moms used to call him Skipper? Right?

YOu have not read one piece of information about how Prince ran things. Go get some infomation and come back when you know something.

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zenarose said:

RE: reply #143

I see the avitar as being a symbol of sadness. P said that he was deeply concerned about the things

that are happening in the world. He also stated that he had lost faith in the ability to change it.

I feel the tear with the eyes closed is just an incredible and overwhelming sadness.

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I agree, Zena!!

dance4me3121 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I dont want to offend anyone here, but I think some of you are reading into this too much. What I mean by that is this; all his tweets/messages and his avatar with a "tear" could mean something completely different than what WE are thinking. We just don't know what Prince was thinking or feeling at that time. He tweeted things like......"Wait a few days"......"Don't believe what you hear in the news"........"I don't believe in this world anymore."........."How many people can get along?"..........

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I think he was talking about the "world" in general, and maybe not about "himself", or how long he had on this earth.

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I do not believe Prince had a "terminal" illness. I think he was struggling with his pain and "dependency" on pills for his pain. He didn't get the help he needed....he got "bad pills" and took Fentanyl (probably unknowingly)......from who? We don't know......and now he is gone.

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He really said that?

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Yes, he did. I posted it here a while back. He said that after the Atlanta shows. I think he ws fed-up with "certain" people and the world.

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cloveringold85 said:

dance4me3121 said:

cloveringold85 said: He really said that?

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Yes, he did. I posted it here a while back. He said that after the Atlanta shows. I think he ws fed-up with "certain" people and the world.

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Is this still on his tweeter? Because this is the first time I am hearing about this and even if he killed himself it does not mean he was not suffering with something. No can prove he did not have serious or terminal health issues.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

Why would she lie? She knew the autopsy report would be coming out so what say he was calm if he was not? It is also easy to find out when the plane did actually take off from Moline. So the TMZ crap about him leaving a few hours later because he could not get a private room can be disputed. Many people have said he would not have been calm after those Narcon shots if he was filled with Opiads and even Doctor Drew said that what Judith Hill described came off as a seziure and not an opiad overdose. I also remember Dr. Drew saying most addicts do not die from O.D. but usually because they are mixing the pain meds with something else or the withdrawals kill them.

How did P get throught that show if he was so high on pain pills that he had an O.D. on the plane?

Did the hospital give him a back his big bag of pills and let him leave the hospital without contacting the police?

If he had a big bag of pills would he have stayed in the hospital until the next day just waiting to get to the pills.

To much missing info about Moline?

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Everyone's story concerning Prince's "health" and the "O/D" on the plane does not add up!!

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I thought about the pills P had on his person (supposedly) in Moline; so the hospital and authorities just sent him on his merrily way?.......no questions or concerns? Hmmm.

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I also read conflicting stories on "how long" Prince was in the hospital in Moline. JH claims he was there for several hours and left the next morning. Then, there is another report saying, Prince was only there for 3-hours, then flew back to MN.

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Nothing about the events leading up to and after Prince's death adds up!

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Fly logs are public records. It is not that hard to find out when he left Moline.

This article (http://www.nbcnews.com/po...ce-n560416 ) has the moline flight timeline:

2:01am: unscheduled landing begun.

11:57am: flight took off again for MPLS

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He was in the hospital for most of the time in between that (barring the 20 minutes or so he was treated on the tarmac).

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As for them letting him go "with no questions or concerns." We don't know what questions or concerns the doctors there expressed, but there's no reason they could hold him in the hospital against his will if he wanted to leave.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Everyone's story concerning Prince's "health" and the "O/D" on the plane does not add up!!

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I thought about the pills P had on his person (supposedly) in Moline; so the hospital and authorities just sent him on his merrily way?.......no questions or concerns? Hmmm.

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I also read conflicting stories on "how long" Prince was in the hospital in Moline. JH claims he was there for several hours and left the next morning. Then, there is another report saying, Prince was only there for 3-hours, then flew back to MN.

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Nothing about the events leading up to and after Prince's death adds up!

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Fly logs are public records. It is not that hard to find out when he left Moline.

laurarichardson said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yes, he did. I posted it here a while back. He said that after the Atlanta shows. I think he ws fed-up with "certain" people and the world.

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Is this still on his tweeter? Because this is the first time I am hearing about this and even if he killed himself it does not mean he was not suffering with something. No can prove he did not have serious or terminal health issues.

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I found the discussion. Read message #15........quote from Prince:

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I just listened to the Atlanta show on Soundcloud, he says "THERE'S SO MUCH INSTABILITY ON THE PLANET NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE IN IT ANYMORE, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN GET ALONG…….? EVEN IF ITS SOMETHING WE NEED TO STUDY TO PERFECT IT I BELIEVE WE CAN GET IT ON….."

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I did actually see his "actual" tweet, a while back, but I did a quick search and could find nothing. I'm not sure how I came across it. But if I happen to see it again, I will post it here!

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http://prince.org/msg/7/423451

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disch said:

This article (http://www.nbcnews.com/po...ce-n560416 ) has the moline flight timeline:

2:01am: unscheduled landing begun.

11:57am: flight took off again for MPLS

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He was in the hospital for most of the time in between that (barring the 20 minutes or so he was treated on the tarmac).

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As for them letting him go "with no questions or concerns." We don't know what questions or concerns the doctors there expressed, but there's no reason they could hold him in the hospital against his will if he wanted to leave.

laurarichardson said:

Fly logs are public records. It is not that hard to find out when he left Moline.

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I just don't believe any hospital would allow a patient to leave, especially if it's someone who just "O/D" and is in bad condition. But then again, we just don't know what happened. Maybe Prince refused to stay there. I wish he had immediately gone to the hospital when he got back to PP, because he might still be here with us.

disch said:

cloveringold85 said:

whether or not you believe it, I don't think a hospital can legally hold an adult against their will (unless under specific circumstances where they're an immediate threat to themselves). I assume he left the hospital because he wanted to leave.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

This article (http://www.nbcnews.com/po...ce-n560416 ) has the moline flight timeline:

2:01am: unscheduled landing begun.

11:57am: flight took off again for MPLS

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He was in the hospital for most of the time in between that (barring the 20 minutes or so he was treated on the tarmac).

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As for them letting him go "with no questions or concerns." We don't know what questions or concerns the doctors there expressed, but there's no reason they could hold him in the hospital against his will if he wanted to leave.

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I just don't believe any hospital would allow a patient to leave, especially if it's someone who just "O/D" and is in bad condition. But then again, we just don't know what happened. Maybe Prince refused to stay there. I wish he had immediately gone to the hospital when he got back to PP, because he might still be here with us.

disch said:

whether or not you believe it, I don't think a hospital can legally hold an adult against their will (unless under specific circumstances where they're an immediate threat to themselves). I assume he left the hospital because he wanted to leave.

cloveringold85 said:

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I just don't believe any hospital would allow a patient to leave, especially if it's someone who just "O/D" and is in bad condition. But then again, we just don't know what happened. Maybe Prince refused to stay there. I wish he had immediately gone to the hospital when he got back to PP, because he might still be here with us.

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Yes, it seems so. There were also rumors that Prince wanted to leave because they didn't have any private rooms available. Not sure if that it true either.

strawberrylova123 said:

I dont think prince had a terminal illness i believe he had a dependency to pain meds that made him very ill, his comment from the rolling stone mag 2014 on not wanting to talk about michael jackson and amy Winehouse fate because he was close to it screams that he may had an issue going on. [Edited 10/10/16 19:47pm] [Edited 10/10/16 20:02pm]

I think you're right. If it was terminal illness we would have heard something by now, a rumor would have dropped. That interview was very telling, and in light of what happened, his last few remarks and tweets seem remarkably poignant.

It still irritates me that the autopsy (press release) report is referred to as accidental OD on fentanyl, as if that is categorically set in stone. We don't know for sure. Like phatphuk said, she has to be objective. So she doesn't P or his state of mind.

There was an option for ME to select 'undetermined', not 'accident'. Why she feels she knows enough to rule out suicide, I presume, is because nobody she asked who was involved in the investigation had any idea.

I think she ruled out suicide because she had access to a lot of info that we don't have, plus she has training and expertise to evaluate that info in ways we don't. I assume, as a licensed ME, is she's a fully qualified pro, who knows much more than you or I (assuming you're not a professional ME). I don't she just closes her eyes and randomly checks off a box.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Why she feels she knows enough to rule out suicide, I presume, is because nobody she asked who was involved in the investigation had any idea.

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

whether or not you believe it, I don't think a hospital can legally hold an adult against their will (unless under specific circumstances where they're an immediate threat to themselves). I assume he left the hospital because he wanted to leave.

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Yes, it seems so. There were also rumors that Prince wanted to leave because they didn't have any private rooms available. Not sure if that it true either.

The only way that I see a Dr. putting a hold on a patient is if they are a danger to themselves and

others. So evidentally the Dr. thought no such thing. P may have been in bad shape but probably if he went home and got proper care it was thought that he would be alright. With all that has happened, I'm sure there are lots of butts making buttonholes in their chairs, afraid of having negligence charges filed against them. The whole plane thing is confusing.

disch said:

I think she ruled out suicide because she had access to a lot of info that we don't have, plus she has training and expertise to evaluate that info in ways we don't. I assume, as a licensed ME, is she's a fully qualified pro, who knows much more than you or I (assuming you're not a professional ME). I don't she just closes her eyes and randomly checks off a box.

fortuneandserendipity said:

Why she feels she knows enough to rule out suicide, I presume, is because nobody she asked who was involved in the investigation had any idea.

If, as has been frequently said, Prince's closest associates can't figure him out, how on earth is a ME going to, when relying on second hand knowledge. ^^Your opinion is just sarcastic. I doubt her expertise is mental health or psychiatry. I bet you're one of those people who think medical experts never err or give a wrong diagnosis. It happens SO OFTEN you wouldn't believe.

fortuneandserendipity said:

disch said:

I think she ruled out suicide because she had access to a lot of info that we don't have, plus she has training and expertise to evaluate that info in ways we don't. I assume, as a licensed ME, is she's a fully qualified pro, who knows much more than you or I (assuming you're not a professional ME). I don't she just closes her eyes and randomly checks off a box.

If, as has been frequently said, Prince's closest associates can't figure him out, how on earth is a ME going to, when relying on second hand knowledge. ^^Your opinion is just sarcastic. I doubt her expertise is mental health or psychiatry. I bet you're one of those people who think medical experts never err or give a wrong diagnosis. It happens SO OFTEN you wouldn't believe.

Why she feels she knows enough to rule out suicide, I presume, is because nobody she asked who was involved in the investigation had any idea.

I'm not being sarcastic at all. Every single day, ME's are tasked with making these exact judgments about many cases, not just this one. If it's "impossible" for them to do that, then that wouldn't be part of their jobs.

fortuneandserendipity said:

disch said:

I think she ruled out suicide because she had access to a lot of info that we don't have, plus she has training and expertise to evaluate that info in ways we don't. I assume, as a licensed ME, is she's a fully qualified pro, who knows much more than you or I (assuming you're not a professional ME). I don't she just closes her eyes and randomly checks off a box.

If, as has been frequently said, Prince's closest associates can't figure him out, how on earth is a ME going to, when relying on second hand knowledge. ^^Your opinion is just sarcastic. I doubt her expertise is mental health or psychiatry. I bet you're one of those people who think medical experts never err or give a wrong diagnosis. It happens SO OFTEN you wouldn't believe.