1Sasha said:

Laura, how do we know he was seeing a doctor regarding withdrawal? We don't. That is an assumption. Whom did he see before Dr. S for what - two appointments in April? Anyone? Judith Hill said Prince agreed to treatment while in the hospital in Moline. But none of us knows what he had been going through for a week, a month or a year before that. JMO but I think it is valid to say all of this is speculation. All of it except for the ME report.

Apologies, CooperC62057, if you were offended by the play on words. But it was just that. A play on the word, Lovejunky.

Please don't conflate my innocent pun with whatever you mistook it to mean, CooperC62057. I see that as not unlike people conflating innocent pain med dependency, with something immoral and worthy of stigma.

These next few sentences are not directed at you, CooperC62057. From the next sentence on, I'm addressing the thought police and avatar nazis who seek to force their personal tastes in visual images down other people's throats…

I happen to be of the opinion that fantasizing about having sex with a dead guy is a crass, disrespectful and offensive way to "mourn" someone. But I'm not so self-righteous as to morally dictate that those that choose to "grieve" in such a tasteless way, must instead grieve with what in my opinion shows more decorum.

The picture in my avatar is an electronic image of an objet d'art that was designed by Prince's sister and her son. They shared those pictures with the public as a way for those who see the pictures, to pay their last respects to Prince. I choose to "grieve" by showing my appreciation for the sister's and the nephew's tastes in visual design.

And a bunch of holy roller internet bullies don't get to dictate to me that my expression of mouring MUST conform to what theirs is!

If people get angry because I don't have the same tastes in bitmap images as they do, then maybe they need to invest in some anger management counseling.

Get a grip on yourselves people!. The picture of "THEE URN" is just a visually appealing arrangement of colored pixels for christ's sake! They're not possesed with spirits or nothing. I promise!

Sooo, I came here to read about...PRINCE!!??!!

…Or else, if you're strapped for cash — do what I did for free, and code your own "Anger Management Software".

Mine is a godsend. I swear! As Sergeant Schultz on Hogan's Heroes would put it: “I zee nuh—zeenk…nuh—zeenk!” ; د )

1Sasha said:

Dibblekins said:

Sooo, I came here to read about...PRINCE!!??!!

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Exactly! Now, let's get back to the "thread topic", shall we?

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1Sasha said:

Laura, how do we know he was seeing a doctor regarding withdrawal? We don't. That is an assumption. Whom did he see before Dr. S for what - two appointments in April? Anyone? Judith Hill said Prince agreed to treatment while in the hospital in Moline. But none of us knows what he had been going through for a week, a month or a year before that. JMO but I think it is valid to say all of this is speculation. All of it except for the ME report.

No it was in the search warrant before it was sealed.There are dozens of articles that reported this in fact this information was reported by the media almost immediatly even the beloved TMZ reported it.

I do not think Judith knew that Prince was seeing a doctor at all about the situation.

http://www.startribune.com/prince-was-under-minnesota-doctors-care-for-weeks-over-withdrawal-symptoms/378419741/

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prince-investigation-warrant-names-doctor-treating-star-death-n571581

The other meds that Dr S prescribed were also mentioned. He may not have been seeing Dr. S for very long and I would think if he was seeing him for withdrawals perhaps he had already been in a rehab before as the withdrawals can go on for as long as year.

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said:

Laura, how do we know he was seeing a doctor regarding withdrawal? We don't. That is an assumption. Whom did he see before Dr. S for what - two appointments in April? Anyone? Judith Hill said Prince agreed to treatment while in the hospital in Moline. But none of us knows what he had been going through for a week, a month or a year before that. JMO but I think it is valid to say all of this is speculation. All of it except for the ME report.

I agree with you Sasha. All we know is what Prince told us about him having the flu and pneumonia. That's a big possibility due to the fact that a strain of flu of that nature was going around. There is nothing proving that Prince lied about that. Prince is not here to defend himself so I'm not going to believe that he was a drug abuser, or that he had any diseases, or disorders. Speculation is fine, that's why the thread is here but I'm personally not believing any of that yet. Now you all know I have my suspicions about an intentional murder, those folks are still alive and can defend themselves.

Withdrawals can cause flu like issues which sometimes can turn into the flu. Would you tell people that you were withdrawing from pain meds or that you had the flu.

Thank you for the information, Laura.

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said: I agree with you Sasha. All we know is what Prince told us about him having the flu and pneumonia. That's a big possibility due to the fact that a strain of flu of that nature was going around. There is nothing proving that Prince lied about that. Prince is not here to defend himself so I'm not going to believe that he was a drug abuser, or that he had any diseases, or disorders. Speculation is fine, that's why the thread is here but I'm personally not believing any of that yet. Now you all know I have my suspicions about an intentional murder, those folks are still alive and can defend themselves.

Withdrawals can cause flu like issues which sometimes can turn into the flu. Would you tell people that you were withdrawing from pain meds or that you had the flu.

in today's scene, nobody admits withdrawls...from anything. Take a look at the reaction when somebody takes about just omitting certain foods from their diet...."Low Carb Diet"..the ridicule. Going on a "diet" to take control of your weight/health is nothing in regards to the stigma that is heaped upon those trying to live with or clean up from medications.

Imagine having to go through withdrawls from meds...ANY kind of meds that cause dependency. I'm not just talking about narcotics but also "mood stabilizers" and anti-depressants.

I know once you say "I'm going through withdrawls"....you are treated differently, shunned by most of society. It is still a stigma and one that must stop because that shame/silence is what is killing people.

This is, for the most part, a fascinating thread. While I'm not sold on any conspiracy theories, I do think some truly interesting points have been made.

Could someone have deliberately poisoned the man, if they knew he was taking pain killers regularly? Sure. Is that what happened? We just don't know. I WILL say, regardless of whether it was intentional or not, SOME crime was committed. It's highly likely that he received counterfit pills, and that is all that really occurred...but that still constitutes a crime. Whether they planted the pills on Prince, or simply made a pill to look like hydrocodone that actually had fentanyl...his blood is still on someone's hands.

Prince was battling SOME form of pain killer addiction, but for how long we don't know. I tend to believe it was fairly recent, the result of his pains getting more and more pronounced. He may have been taking over-the-counter stuff for years before switching to stronger stuff. As someone who has dealth with chronic pain, I can speak from experience that regular drugs like advil and tylenol don't help for long. When you switch to something stronger, it isn't long before those don't work either, so you have to up your dosage. When I had back surgery, I was given hydrocodone...and it did NOTHING to help with the pain. My doctor offered to give me something stronger, but I chose to tough it out instead. I knew it was a slippery slope from that point. Fortunately, my surgery was successful, but not all are. If I had to continue in that kind of pain? Man...I'd rather have died! It gets to a point that you just don't care, and if someone offers you one of their prescription pills they aren't using anymore? You tend to throw caution to the wind and just take it...anything to make the pain stop. This is highly likely the scenario Prince got into. He may have gotten some "hydrocodone" from a friend, who may have gotten it from Mexico or what-not (my late mother-in-law used to always offer me drugs she obtained from Mexico that she took for pain). I think the man was hurting bad...and I don't believe he was using it to get high at all. If he'd been taking them for a while, even a couple of months, then he probably wasn't feeling much in the way of a euphoric effect. He wasn't the classic "junky" that many seem to automatically think of when they hear "drug OD", but rather was trying to manage his pain so he could keep up with his normal pace

Can this be used as a teachable moment for opiod use? Absolutely...and that holds true even IF he was murdered. He was using presription pain killers for their intended purpose, and still became addicted (and that addiction can be a reliance on them JUST to relieve pain). The fact that he took a counterfit pill that caused his death just further illustrates the dangers of this addiction, because it is one of the possible outcomes. The sad fact is, whether he was intentionally killed or not...whether he had a terminal disease or not...the man didn't have to die the way he did.

SpinsterSister said:

laurarichardson said:

Withdrawals can cause flu like issues which sometimes can turn into the flu. Would you tell people that you were withdrawing from pain meds or that you had the flu.

in today's scene, nobody admits withdrawls...from anything. Take a look at the reaction when somebody takes about just omitting certain foods from their diet...."Low Carb Diet"..the ridicule. Going on a "diet" to take control of your weight/health is nothing in regards to the stigma that is heaped upon those trying to live with or clean up from medications.

Imagine having to go through withdrawls from meds...ANY kind of meds that cause dependency. I'm not just talking about narcotics but also "mood stabilizers" and anti-depressants.

I know once you say "I'm going through withdrawls"....you are treated differently, shunned by most of society. It is still a stigma and one that must stop because that shame/silence is what is killing people.

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Good point, and I agree!

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Anything can be addictive. Like the saying "Too much of anything is bad for you", (well, almost).

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People who go on diets, have to cut out something bad to lose the weight. It's hard to break old habits, whether it cutting out coffee (caffiene), alcohol, cigarettes, pills etc. When you stop putting any chemical into your body, your body is going to react to that "addictive substance" not being there, thus "withdrawals" (getting rid of toxins).

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Personally, I don't think there should be any shame in admitting to addiction and seeking help.

laurarichardson said:

oliviacamron said:

1Sasha said: I agree with you Sasha. All we know is what Prince told us about him having the flu and pneumonia. That's a big possibility due to the fact that a strain of flu of that nature was going around. There is nothing proving that Prince lied about that. Prince is not here to defend himself so I'm not going to believe that he was a drug abuser, or that he had any diseases, or disorders. Speculation is fine, that's why the thread is here but I'm personally not believing any of that yet. Now you all know I have my suspicions about an intentional murder, those folks are still alive and can defend themselves.

Withdrawals can cause flu like issues which sometimes can turn into the flu. Would you tell people that you were withdrawing from pain meds or that you had the flu.

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Yes. I used to watch Dr. Drew's show, "Celebrity Rehab", and it was just so heartbreaking to see what addiction does to people. The withdrawals are so intense and make you very sick, and that is why most people will relapse because they just can't go through it.

JediMaster said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Co-sign people who have Rx for this stuff have died. I hate to think he was getting them illegally because he was afraid the media would find out or maybe even promotors. Any hint of illness and the media would have been all over him.

I've always thought he was getting them illegally to keep his medical issues private. Leaving no trail.

[Edited 11/29/16 16:25pm]

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Co-sign people who have Rx for this stuff have died. I hate to think he was getting them illegally because he was afraid the media would find out or maybe even promotors. Any hint of illness and the media would have been all over him.

I've always thought he was getting them illegally to keep his medical issues private. Leaving no trail.

[Edited 11/29/16 16:25pm]

I don't think privacy or hiding it from the media was the reason for using illicit meds.

If Prince wanted to keep it private, he could have. He had the financial means to source medication and go for treatment anywhere in the world and it's universal that doctors have to maintain patient confidentiality.

It's just so reckless. That's what bothers me the most about his death. So totally preventable.

Mumio said:

laurarichardson said:

--- Co-sign people who have Rx for this stuff have died. I hate to think he was getting them illegally because he was afraid the media would find out or maybe even promotors. Any hint of illness and the media would have been all over him.

I've always thought he was getting them illegally to keep his medical issues private. Leaving no trail.

[Edited 11/29/16 16:25pm]

At this point you don't know if he got them or someone else got them.

You don't know if he said to someone " My hip is hurting bad.... you have something?" and it was the deadly pills.

muleFunk said:

Mumio said:

I've always thought he was getting them illegally to keep his medical issues private. Leaving no trail.

[Edited 11/29/16 16:25pm]

At this point you don't know if he got them or someone else got them.

You don't know if he said to someone " My hip is hurting bad.... you have something?" and it was the deadly pills.

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And, like other's have said, Prince had the money and had access to the best doctor's and the best treatment available, right in his own backyard of Chanhassen/Minneapolis, so it is very heartbreaking to think that he purposely avoided that route, for whatever reason, or maybe he just didn't want to deal with doctor's and perhaps like we've said here before, he didn't want it getting out to the media.

SpinsterSister said:

mnfriend said:

Good to see some new blood in here, SpinsterSister and JediMaster, with fresh insights

I can definitely relate to the diet ridicule stigma myself, SpinsterSister. That's a very refreshing observation.

Thanks for posting.

cloveringold85 said:

muleFunk said:

At this point you don't know if he got them or someone else got them.

You don't know if he said to someone " My hip is hurting bad.... you have something?" and it was the deadly pills.

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And, like other's have said, Prince had the money and had access to the best doctor's and the best treatment available, right in his own backyard of Chanhassen/Minneapolis, so it is very heartbreaking to think that he purposely avoided that route, for whatever reason, or maybe he just didn't want to deal with doctor's and perhaps like we've said here before, he didn't want it getting out to the media.

It's certainly possible that he avoided that route because of the ease of it getting back to local press. Someone like CJ, who would write nasty stories if Prince so much as farted, may have had sources within the medical community in MN. Possible he was going out of state to keep it as private as possible.

I think the stigma of being a "drug addict" in the US is so strong, he very well wanted to avoid that label. Heck, since his death there have been those who have labled him as such, even though he wasn't taking them recreationally. It is still addiction, but there is a different reason for why he became an addict.

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Prince NEVER Farted in his whole life !!!!!!!!

Lovejunky said:

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Prince NEVER Farted in his whole life !!!!!!!!

Of course he died, that's how he came up with the 'melodies' for Jughead.

JediMaster said:

I think the stigma of being a "drug addict" in the US is so strong, he very well wanted to avoid that label. Heck, since his death there have been those who have labled him as such, even though he wasn't taking them recreationally. It is still addiction, but there is a different reason for why he became an addict.

There is a four minute clip of Piano and Microphone tour that just showed up on face book...

Prince is wearing a Mauve Coloured Lycra suit with Moons all over the back.Anyone seen it yet ?

He is so thin...and it doesnt look like he at ease in his body..He kind of sits and stands and moves a bit awkwardly...

at the very end..he has his back to the camera and is bent over the keyboard...

He is SO thin that you can see the bones in his spine and coccyx

It HURTS to watch...

Poor Darling...YES...there was definately a reason he became dependant..I cant use the word addict for him..he lived the rest of his life SO CLEAN...

Addict just seems WRONG...

Lovejunky said:

JediMaster said:

I think the stigma of being a "drug addict" in the US is so strong, he very well wanted to avoid that label. Heck, since his death there have been those who have labled him as such, even though he wasn't taking them recreationally. It is still addiction, but there is a different reason for why he became an addict.

There is a four minute clip of Piano and Microphone tour that just showed up on face book...

Prince is wearing a Mauve Coloured Lycra suit with Moons all over the back.Anyone seen it yet ?

He is so thin...and it doesnt look like he at ease in his body..He kind of sits and stands and moves a bit awkwardly...

at the very end..he has his back to the camera and is bent over the keyboard...

He is SO thin that you can see the bones in his spine and coccyx

It HURTS to watch...

Poor Darling...YES...there was definately a reason he became dependant..I cant use the word addict for him..he lived the rest of his life SO CLEAN...

Addict just seems WRONG...

I agree. Addict definitely seems like the wrong word to use. I haven't seen the video in question, but most of those P&M shows he wasn't looking right.

He was simply skeletal IMO at the end. I still don't believe his associates who said he was fine, everything was great ... Were they blind?

oliviacamron said: