Noodled24 said:

Lovejunky said:

I agree with you Laura..

You know...If anyone has any doubts that P was ailing...take a look at Andre Cymone , Same age as P....

I doubt Andre has lead as CLEAN a lifestlyle as Prince..

yet he looks Very Healthy...Glowing even....

If you put the two of them side by side it would be very obvious that one of them was not well...

What is this nonsense?... If I go back to Febuary 2016 will I find lots of posts about P looking ill? You're only coming up with this after the fact.

It wasn't obvious to fans, nor did it seem obvious to his inner circle, the varous concert promoters he worked with around the world, or the media. The guy was still making plans and seemed to be on the verge of seeking help.

I have friends who have been talking about him not looking quite right for a few years..

In fact one picked up that something was not quite right when he was married to Manuela, Musicology

^ Above STatement was made in Retrospect and to support Laura, because SHE has been saying over and over he was not well , and is mighty anoyed LIKE I AM that P is being painted as a Drug Addict rather than a person who was in Pain and required Help...

I dont think thats Nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 10/16/16 14:55pm]

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

Show me these posts you repeatedly made about how unwell he looked?

/// I did not say I made any post about it. I said I thought and I actually said it out loud and to my husband while watching SNL. He agreed with me. I have since watched a lot of footage of him from 2009 in to 2015. I did not see the Paris shows from 2014 until a few weeks ago he does not look well at all. [Edited 10/16/16 15:12pm]

So there must be some bad reviews of those shows? Or at least plenty of comments about how he looked ill? All the reviews I read said he looked great. I saw him live in 2014 and he was full of energy as always.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

So there must be some bad reviews of those shows? Or at least plenty of comments about how he looked ill? All the reviews I read said he looked great. I saw him live in 2014 and he was full of energy as always.

_Why would reviews mention his looks? Critics would be reviewing the performances and the music. I never said their was anything wrong with his performances or energy level. You need to take time to read before you respond.

Well you said he looked ill. So I'd expect reviews to also say "Prince looked ill" not "Prince looked and sounded amazing".

Noodled24 said:

^ Because critics who review live shows tend to make observations about the artists in question. None of them commented on Prince looking ill. You claimed he looked ill so I'd expect critics reviewing his shows to also say he looked ill (because you said it was obvious and anyone who didn't notice must have eye problems)

Noodled24 said:

^ Because critics who review live shows tend to make observations about the artists in question. None of them commented on Prince looking ill. You claimed he looked ill so I'd expect critics reviewing his shows to also say he looked ill (because you said it was obvious and anyone who didn't notice must have eye problems)

I have never read a concert reveiw were a critic made mention of an artist look unless it had something to do with their stage outfit. I think P did not look good at those Paris shows in 2014 that is my opinion. You can argue with me all day it will not change my opinion.

laurarichardson said:

I have never read a concert reveiw were a critic made mention of an artist look unless it had something to do with their stage outfit.

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You must not read very many concert reviews then...

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

CAL3 said:

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Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

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Oh BULLSHIT - look, I'm trying my goddamnedest to be civil here but if you're going to insist I've insulted someone with what I've said, then it's crystal clear that I'm just not getting through to you.

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I don't want to dissect your response, because you're simply not recognizing the basic points I'm making. And those points are water tight, because I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I've been open-minded, I'm just pointing out where SOME of what you're saying is illogical.

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And in case you think I'm ignoring all the links and other info you've included - I'm hearing what you're saying about the variety of circumstances that can surround a person who has undergone surgery, started using pain meds, etc. BUT - and this is what's germane to this discussion - some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death.

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Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because ...

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Please - I'm not implying anything. You're doing ALL the implying. I'm saying we don't KNOW what she heard or what she thought. You and I weren't not present for the discussion between she and her brother. All we know is that she did NOT tell us WHY she was grieving and preparing for his passing.

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Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked

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Seriously - is this some kind of bizzarro world thread?? No one here can answer the questions being posed - including you.

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whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light

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That may be a comforting platitude - but it is most definitely not a truism.

All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

You think Tyka was being vague and apparently does not have enough common sense to know what her own brother means when he is speaking to her.

You refuse to you some reasoning to put anything together. Such as people normally greiving over sickness or death not carreer achievments.

"some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death."

And it could all or some be plicable to him as he was not immune to the effects of the meds. It does not take long to become dependent and ill from these meds and he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals ( this was in the search warrent) Do you think he was seeing the doctor and waiting on test results because he was in perfect health? Do you think he was superman and could some how avoid the results of these meds? These are not hard questions to answer.

No one is talking in circles, you're just misunderstanding in circles.

steakfinger said:

laurarichardson said:

CAL3 said:

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Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

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Oh BULLSHIT - look, I'm trying my goddamnedest to be civil here but if you're going to insist I've insulted someone with what I've said, then it's crystal clear that I'm just not getting through to you.

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I don't want to dissect your response, because you're simply not recognizing the basic points I'm making. And those points are water tight, because I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I've been open-minded, I'm just pointing out where SOME of what you're saying is illogical.

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And in case you think I'm ignoring all the links and other info you've included - I'm hearing what you're saying about the variety of circumstances that can surround a person who has undergone surgery, started using pain meds, etc. BUT - and this is what's germane to this discussion - some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death.

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Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because ...

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Please - I'm not implying anything. You're doing ALL the implying. I'm saying we don't KNOW what she heard or what she thought. You and I weren't not present for the discussion between she and her brother. All we know is that she did NOT tell us WHY she was grieving and preparing for his passing.

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Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked

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Seriously - is this some kind of bizzarro world thread?? No one here can answer the questions being posed - including you.

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whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light

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That may be a comforting platitude - but it is most definitely not a truism.

All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

You think Tyka was being vague and apparently does not have enough common sense to know what her own brother means when he is speaking to her.

You refuse to you some reasoning to put anything together. Such as people normally greiving over sickness or death not carreer achievments.

"some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death."

And it could all or some be plicable to him as he was not immune to the effects of the meds. It does not take long to become dependent and ill from these meds and he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals ( this was in the search warrent) Do you think he was seeing the doctor and waiting on test results because he was in perfect health? Do you think he was superman and could some how avoid the results of these meds? These are not hard questions to answer.

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All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

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Speaking in factual terms is not talking "in circles." Fact versus conjecture. That sums up our exchanges on this thread. You've been attempting to provide answers to questions that you are not in the position of answering. That's all I've been trying to point out.

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You think Tyka was ...

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Please don't tell me what I think or what I don't think. I've said none of the things about her or her comments that you're alleging. And I don't need to reiterate or clarify, because it's already clear in what I've said in previous posts.

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And it could all or some be plicable to him

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Touche - I have no idea what I was trying to say with the non-word "implicable." My bad.

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For what it's worth, I'm going to take a step back here and just say I never intended to argue with you about any of this. I just felt that on this and some other threads, you have been attempting to fill in blanks that no one (well, perhaps someone - but no one here) can possibly fill. Speculation is speculation. In my opinion (and I emphasize here: opinion), it seems that you've presented some of your speculations as something more concrete.

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Again, it's not that I'm talking in circles. I'm just not trying to answer anything that can't be answered. We can certainly disagree in our interpretation of some of the things that have been said by various people, but for what it's worth I have no intention offending.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

You think Tyka was being vague and apparently does not have enough common sense to know what her own brother means when he is speaking to her.

You refuse to you some reasoning to put anything together. Such as people normally greiving over sickness or death not carreer achievments.

"some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death."

And it could all or some be plicable to him as he was not immune to the effects of the meds. It does not take long to become dependent and ill from these meds and he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals ( this was in the search warrent) Do you think he was seeing the doctor and waiting on test results because he was in perfect health? Do you think he was superman and could some how avoid the results of these meds? These are not hard questions to answer.

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All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

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Speaking in factual terms is not talking "in circles." Fact versus conjecture. That sums up our exchanges on this thread. You've been attempting to provide answers to questions that you are not in the position of answering. That's all I've been trying to point out.

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You think Tyka was ...

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Please don't tell me what I think or what I don't think. I've said none of the things about her or her comments that you're alleging. And I don't need to reiterate or clarify, because it's already clear in what I've said in previous posts.

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And it could all or some be plicable to him

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Touche - I have no idea what I was trying to say with the non-word "implicable." My bad.

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For what it's worth, I'm going to take a step back here and just say I never intended to argue with you about any of this. I just felt that on this and some other threads, you have been attempting to fill in blanks that no one (well, perhaps someone - but no one here) can possibly fill. Speculation is speculation. In my opinion (and I emphasize here: opinion), it seems that you've presented some of your speculations as something more concrete.

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Again, it's not that I'm talking in circles. I'm just not trying to answer anything that can't be answered. We can certainly disagree in our interpretation of some of the things that have been said by various people, but for what it's worth I have no intention offending.

"We can certainly disagree in our interpretation of some of the things that have been said by various people, but for what it's worth I have no intention offending."

Yes, will disagree on what Tyka actually said.

laurarichardson said:

"We can certainly disagree in our interpretation of some of the things that have been said by various people, but for what it's worth I have no intention offending."

Yes, will disagree on what Tyka actually said.

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Nowhere have I disagreed with you (or anyone) on what she said, as presented by the media. I don't disagree with people on things that are a matter of public record.

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What she did not say is why she was preparing for his passing for two years. You have tried repeatedly to fill in that very large gap in information by *interpreting* it to mean that he revealed an illness to her. If he did, she has not said. Or it hasn't been made public due to the way in which her comments were presented by the media.

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We may find out the whole truth someday. We may not.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, will disagree on what Tyka actually said.

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Nowhere have I disagreed with you (or anyone) on what she said, as presented by the media. I don't disagree with people on things that are a matter of public record.

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What she did not say is why she was preparing for his passing for two years. You have tried repeatedly to fill in that very large gap in information by *interpreting* it to mean that he revealed an illness to her. If he did, she has not said. Or it hasn't been made public due to the way in which her comments were presented by the media.

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We may find out the whole truth someday. We may not.

She said he told her he had accomplished everything he sat out to do and was finished two years ago. When she was asked how long would it take for fans to get over his death she said she had two years and had been grieving and crushed for two years?

Think about this. If someone asked you How long will it take to get over a death and you say you knew it was coming for two years and had been grieving and crushed during that two year period.

Would you not be responding to the question concerning death and getting over it?

Tyka was not saying she was crushed about him obtaining all of his career goals. Do you think reaching career goals is something she would be crushed about?

She answered the question about the timeline for getting over this by telling us she knew it was coming. We do not need to know why we just know she knew it was coming and I doubt Prince was planning to O.D. on mislabeled pills two years ago.

He reveled something to her or she would not have had anything to grieve over in the first place.

I know you want to be right but you are ignoring something as plain as day.

^ Dr Funkenberry covers this very thing in one of his podcasts. Tyka had to pay to get into most of the PP gigs she attended. They weren't that close.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

CAL3 said:

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Nowhere have I disagreed with you (or anyone) on what she said, as presented by the media. I don't disagree with people on things that are a matter of public record.

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What she did not say is why she was preparing for his passing for two years. You have tried repeatedly to fill in that very large gap in information by *interpreting* it to mean that he revealed an illness to her. If he did, she has not said. Or it hasn't been made public due to the way in which her comments were presented by the media.

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We may find out the whole truth someday. We may not.

She said he told her he had accomplished everything he sat out to do and was finished two years ago. When she was asked how long would it take for fans to get over his death she said she had two years and had been grieving and crushed for two years?

Think about this. If someone asked you How long will it take to get over a death and you say you knew it was coming for two years and had been grieving and crushed during that two year period.

Would you not be responding to the question concerning death and getting over it?

Tyka was not saying she was crushed about him obtaining all of his career goals. Do you think reaching career goals is something she would be crushed about?

She answered the question about the timeline for getting over this by telling us she knew it was coming. We do not need to know why we just know she knew it was coming and I doubt Prince was planning to O.D. on mislabeled pills two years ago.

He reveled something to her or she would not have had anything to grieve over in the first place.

I know you want to be right but you are ignoring something as plain as day.

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I know you want to be right

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Friend, I say this was ALL due respect - but I *am* right in this case.

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Please understand that I *do* get why you are leaping to the conclusion that Tyka was implying an illness or some concrete reason WHY she had been preparing for two years. It is not an unreasonable conclusion to draw.

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But that doesn't make it the correct conclusion. We don't know what the truth is - Tyka didn't even give us her version of the truth. She made a vague revelation.

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Fact: we do not (nor will we ever know) the actual nature of Prince and Tyka's relationship.

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Fact: we do not know if Tyka was looking to grab a few extra headlines with a "revealing" comment. NOTE: I'm NOT saying this *is* the case, just pointing out that there is zero reason to assume this is out of the question.

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We do not need to know why we just know she knew it was coming

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Yes, we do need to know why. And not even necessarily from her. She could literally say anything she wants. Therefore until we hear something concrete, we don't know what she "knew was coming."

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He reveled something to her or she would not have had anything to grieve over in the first place

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I absolutely agree that your statement above is a reasonable assumption to make. But reasonable assumptions are not facts. And add to that the unpredictable, often irrational behavior of human beings in general - people grieve for many different reasons, including reason that you, me, or the guy next door *might* consider less than grieve-worthy. Without more information, we simply cannot know over *what* she was grieving. And that's a fact.

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But because I pride myself on always trying to take the high road in any discussion, I DO concede that your interpretation *might* be correct. But where you're definiably wrong is in saying any of it is "as plain as day."

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

^ Dr Funkenberry covers this very thing in one of his podcasts. Tyka had to pay to get into most of the PP gigs she attended. They weren't that close.

-- But people are saying she was with him in Baltimore and along at a few other gigs. It does not matter if they were close or not because if he did not want her to anything to do with his business he would have written a will and she could have been excluded from everything. Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate so he knew how things worked.

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Bold-type above is more conjecture.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

She said he told her he had accomplished everything he sat out to do and was finished two years ago. When she was asked how long would it take for fans to get over his death she said she had two years and had been grieving and crushed for two years?

Think about this. If someone asked you How long will it take to get over a death and you say you knew it was coming for two years and had been grieving and crushed during that two year period.

Would you not be responding to the question concerning death and getting over it?

Tyka was not saying she was crushed about him obtaining all of his career goals. Do you think reaching career goals is something she would be crushed about?

She answered the question about the timeline for getting over this by telling us she knew it was coming. We do not need to know why we just know she knew it was coming and I doubt Prince was planning to O.D. on mislabeled pills two years ago.

He reveled something to her or she would not have had anything to grieve over in the first place.

I know you want to be right but you are ignoring something as plain as day.

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I know you want to be right

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Friend, I say this was ALL due respect - but I *am* right in this case.

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Please understand that I *do* get why you are leaping to the conclusion that Tyka was implying an illness or some concrete reason WHY she had been preparing for two years. It is not an unreasonable conclusion to draw.

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But that doesn't make it the correct conclusion. We don't know what the truth is - Tyka didn't even give us her version of the truth. She made a vague revelation.

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Fact: we do not (nor will we ever know) the actual nature of Prince and Tyka's relationship.

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Fact: we do not know if Tyka was looking to grab a few extra headlines with a "revealing" comment. NOTE: I'm NOT saying this *is* the case, just pointing out that there is zero reason to assume this is out of the question.

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We do not need to know why we just know she knew it was coming

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Yes, we do need to know why. And not even necessarily from her. She could literally say anything she wants. Therefore until we hear something concrete, we don't know what she "knew was coming."

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He reveled something to her or she would not have had anything to grieve over in the first place

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I absolutely agree that your statement above is a reasonable assumption to make. But reasonable assumptions are not facts. And add to that the unpredictable, often irrational behavior of human beings in general - people grieve for many different reasons, including reason that you, me, or the guy next door *might* consider less than grieve-worthy. Without more information, we simply cannot know over *what* she was grieving. And that's a fact.

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But because I pride myself on always trying to take the high road in any discussion, I DO concede that your interpretation *might* be correct. But where you're definiably wrong is in saying any of it is "as plain as day."

reasonable assumptions are all we have to go on.

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

^ Dr Funkenberry covers this very thing in one of his podcasts. Tyka had to pay to get into most of the PP gigs she attended. They weren't that close.

-- But people are saying she was with him in Baltimore and along at a few other gigs. It does not matter if they were close or not because if he did not want her to anything to do with his business he would have written a will and she could have been excluded from everything. Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate so he knew how things worked.

"Not being close" doesn't mean hate.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said: -- But people are saying she was with him in Baltimore and along at a few other gigs. It does not matter if they were close or not because if he did not want her to anything to do with his business he would have written a will and she could have been excluded from everything. Prince was the executor of his Dad's estate so he knew how things worked.

"Not being close" doesn't mean hate.

I am sure he did not hate her. She lived in a house he brought, he put her in rehab, she worked for him from time to time.

Laura..are you here..?

SO ...

Now that Prince4ever is being released, In the light of the revelations you have shared regarding NPGPUblishing LLC,

I always wondered WHy Prince went back to Warners.....Now I understand...

He had the Upper Hand, OWNERSHIP of his Publishing

It would seem that

Warners are simply the Distribution Company and would be making LESS than NPG ?

Lovejunky said:

Laura..are you here..?

SO ...

Now that Prince4ever is being released, In the light of the revelations you have shared regarding NPGPUblishing LLC,

I always wondered WHy Prince went back to Warners.....Now I understand...

He had the Upper Hand, OWNERSHIP of his Publishing

It would seem that

Warners are simply the Distribution Company and would be making LESS than NPG ?

Yes, you are correct he needed to negotiate something to get the masters back so he worked with them to distrube and market his music AOA for example and my guess is part of the deal was to get a remasterd versions of the back catalogue out to the public. He had similar deals with record labels over the years and with streaming cutting into revenue he saw this a a good way to get the music out.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

Laura..are you here..?

SO ...

Now that Prince4ever is being released, In the light of the revelations you have shared regarding NPGPUblishing LLC,

I always wondered WHy Prince went back to Warners.....Now I understand...

He had the Upper Hand, OWNERSHIP of his Publishing

It would seem that

Warners are simply the Distribution Company and would be making LESS than NPG ?

Yes, you are correct he needed to negotiate something to get the masters back so he worked with them to distrube and market his music AOA for example and my guess is part of the deal was to get a remasterd versions of the back catalogue out to the public. He had similar deals with record labels over the years and with streaming cutting into revenue he saw this a a good way to get the music out.

Then we need to SUPPORT NPG Music if Princes Dream of Creative ownership is to become a successful reality....

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Yes, you are correct he needed to negotiate something to get the masters back so he worked with them to distrube and market his music AOA for example and my guess is part of the deal was to get a remasterd versions of the back catalogue out to the public. He had similar deals with record labels over the years and with streaming cutting into revenue he saw this a a good way to get the music out.

Then we need to SUPPORT NPG Music if Princes Dream of Creative ownership is to become a successful reality....

Well if the two releashes that are coming out are coming out on NPG records so we can keep supporting what he was doing.

Lovejunky said:

Noodled24 said:

What is this nonsense?... If I go back to Febuary 2016 will I find lots of posts about P looking ill? You're only coming up with this after the fact.

It wasn't obvious to fans, nor did it seem obvious to his inner circle, the varous concert promoters he worked with around the world, or the media. The guy was still making plans and seemed to be on the verge of seeking help.

I have friends who have been talking about him not looking quite right for a few years..

In fact one picked up that something was not quite right when he was married to Manuela, Musicology

^ Above STatement was made in Retrospect and to support Laura, because SHE has been saying over and over he was not well , and is mighty anoyed LIKE I AM that P is being painted as a Drug Addict rather than a person who was in Pain and required Help...

I dont think thats Nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 10/16/16 14:55pm]

I have been doing some reserch on the long term effects of pain pills and these meds cause permenent damage to your organs and a whole host of other problems. If he had organ failure he would have to get off pain meds immediatly and this would have been next to impossible to pull off. In addtion, there are several medications for organ failure some of which are not given by RX at a pharmacy some require treatement to be given by a doctor and the meds are not controlled substances. Remember according to the search warrent Dr. S wrote other Rx for meds for Prince that were not controlled substances and on at least one website Dr. S was listed as a critical care Doctor. His problems were addtication but what lead to the addiction and what did the side effects of the pain meds do to his overall health.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said: /// I did not say I made any post about it. I said I thought and I actually said it out loud and to my husband while watching SNL. He agreed with me. I have since watched a lot of footage of him from 2009 in to 2015. I did not see the Paris shows from 2014 until a few weeks ago he does not look well at all. [Edited 10/16/16 15:12pm]

So there must be some bad reviews of those shows? Or at least plenty of comments about how he looked ill? All the reviews I read said he looked great. I saw him live in 2014 and he was full of energy as always.

I saw him in 2014 at the Essence Festival and he looked fine then, but several months later, towards the end of 2014, he looked like he had aged a bit. I thought not much of it because after all he was in his mid 50's. After that, he seemed to be aging quicker than one would expect. I felt that something was not quite right with him. During the Arsenio Hall interview, he seemed alert and he answered questions rationally, but I had a sense there was something distant about him. The same for the SNL anniversary performance.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

I have friends who have been talking about him not looking quite right for a few years..

In fact one picked up that something was not quite right when he was married to Manuela, Musicology

^ Above STatement was made in Retrospect and to support Laura, because SHE has been saying over and over he was not well , and is mighty anoyed LIKE I AM that P is being painted as a Drug Addict rather than a person who was in Pain and required Help...

I dont think thats Nonsense !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Edited 10/16/16 14:55pm]

I have been doing some reserch on the long term effects of pain pills and these meds cause permenent damage to your organs and a whole host of other problems. If he had organ failure he would have to get off pain meds immediatly and this would have been next to impossible to pull off. In addtion, there are several medications for organ failure some of which are not given by RX at a pharmacy some require treatement to be given by a doctor and the meds are not controlled substances. Remember according to the search warrent Dr. S wrote other Rx for meds for Prince that were not controlled substances and on at least one website Dr. S was listed as a critical care Doctor. His problems were addtication but what lead to the addiction and what did the side effects of the pain meds do to his overall health.

I have been researching that myself. For some strange reason I have wound up looking into holistic

medicine, probably because it has been reported that P was detoxing on his own and the article that

stated that he had an appointment with a Holistic Dr. the morning of his passing. You can get lost

for hours.

laurarichardson said:

Lovejunky said:

Then we need to SUPPORT NPG Music if Princes Dream of Creative ownership is to become a successful reality....

Well if the two releashes that are coming out are coming out on NPG records so we can keep supporting what he was doing.

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