BanishedBrian said:

laurarichardson said:

There are several reasons I'd be surprised if Prince made his siblings the unitholders of the LLC interests. First, making the siblings the interestholders at formation would mean that they'd have been receiving taxable income from the LLC for the last 2 years (via what's known as a "K-1"), in which case we'd have surely heard them mention all this during the interviews back in April. They'd have had to sign on as members to all the LLC documents at the time. None of this seems consistent with the behavior of everyone involved.

Why would they mention this to the media? In fact the only sibling that has spoken to media was Tyka, Charles and crazy Albert. Who would get on T.V and discuss their finances? What behavior would you expect them to exhibit? In addition, what behavior would that have exhibited in public?

There wouldn't be any consideration for it, so it would essentially be treated as a gift to his siblings, meaning they'd have to pay gift tax on the entire value of the contribution (i.e., $100M+ of federal gift taxes).

Don’t you think it is possible that it may have been taking care of them in this manner. We know he was taking care of them some sort of way. We just don’t know how. We the dip in music sales due to streaming I doubt the sibs would be seeing a 100 million of anything.

Now it's possible that Prince could have structured an LLC where his siblings held units that "sprung" into having value upon his death (or his own units sunset in some manner), but again, this would be surprising given the leaks that have come out in the StarTribune surrounding his probate case, as the court would in that case be valuing the estate quite differentl

I believe the units are springing into action now after his death. If he knew he was sick and dying or just might not make it from the pain pill problem. Why would he not have set this up in this manner? What leaks are you speaking of? All the Star Tribune has done is report on the most banal and minor crap about the estate. They have not provided any information finance wise that any of us fans could not get from the court docs ourselves or from using a search engine.

We have no information on what the court is valuing the estate at. The 300 million came from the media. All we know officially is how much the real estate is valued at. We have not seen a final accounting with the assets and liabilities listed.

We do not know from the state docs on the website who is the owner of this LLC we don’t know if there are shareholders or if those shareholders are active at this time. The LLC is a private entity so we may never know anything until the probate is finished and even then the court may seal the docs.

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1. In the weeks following his death, there were some candid interviews with the siblings, in which many admitted that they had little contact with him over the past few years. That seems inconsistent with the notion that he decided to form an entity 2 years ago for the purpose of transferring his assets to them, when they'd have all needed to participate given you have to sign membership documents to become an LLC member.

2. The $100M I was referencing wouldn't be the value of the income to the LLC over the last 2 years (which would be very small), it would be the value of his gifting of the assets to them when he contributed the IP rights to the LLC. When you form a new corporate or LLC entity, it's easy to contribute assets as long as you're the sole equity/interest-holder, because then it's an equal value exchange. If instead, he'd set up the LLC where his siblings each had, let's say, 10% ownership interests, they'd all be deemed to have received a gift on the value of the assets that he contributed, which likely had a fair market value of several hundred milllion dollars. That's why it's very unlikely that he's not the sole member.

3. There have been 50+ filings in the probate case, and millions and millions of dollars spent on legal fees already. The extent of Prince's ownership interests in business entities would be the first asset Bremer would have inventoried, and it takes about 5 minutes to review the LLC records (which Prince would possess, and which is representatives would possess and would be obligated to provide to his estate upon request). In other words, if some complex, estate planning structure had been implemented via the LLC, Bremer and the court have known about it for 5 months. The actions of the various attorneys in the case (including those of the family) are inconsistent with that scenario.

Further, I think you're reading that LLC blurb and overestimating what's feasible from an estate planning standpoint. When they say that an LLC can help you avoid probate, they're saying that in terms of things like having your ownership interests be held as joint tenants in the entirety with your spouse, or having a living trust, etc. For an unmarried individual with no children, there aren't too many magical estate planning tools. In fact, if Prince had used the LLC for something like this, I think it'd have been much more likely he'd have just had the interests assigned at death to a charity or the JWs, rather than siblings with whom he was not close.

1. In the weeks following his death, there were some candid interviews with the siblings, in which many admitted that they had little contact with him over the past few years. That seems inconsistent with the notion that he decided to form an entity 2 years ago for the purpose of transferring his assets to them, when they'd have all needed to participate given you have to sign membership documents to become an LLC member.
2. 2. The only interview with a sibling saying they had not spoken to him in years was Albert. Tyka has only just started to talk to the media and Charles spoke to the media. They would not be telling the media about signing any agreements even if they were sleeping in bunkbeds next to Prince every night.
   
   2. The $100M I was referencing wouldn't be the value of the income to the LLC over the last 2 years (which would be very small), it would be the value of his gifting of the assets to them when he contributed the IP rights to the LLC. When you form a new corporate or LLC entity, it's easy to contribute assets as long as you're the sole equity/interest-holder, because then it's an equal value exchange. If instead, he'd set up the LLC where his siblings each had, let's say, 10% ownership interests, they'd all be deemed to have received a gift on the value of the assets that he contributed, which likely had a fair market value of several hundred milllion dollars. That's why it's very unlikely that he's not the sole member.

I think you are wrong about the 100 million number. Prince himself said he would do more for charity if half his income was not going away due to bootlegging and he was asking fans to distribute Hit and Run. Streaming has lowered the amount of money from music sales dramatically. Are you saying he is unlikely to be the sole member so you are agreeing he has shareholders? Confused.

3. There have been 50+ filings in the probate case, and millions and millions of dollars spent on legal fees already. The extent of Prince's ownership interests in business entities would be the first asset Bremer would have inventoried, and it takes about 5 minutes to review the LLC records (which Prince would possess, and which is representatives would possess and would be obligated to provide to his estate upon request). In other words, if some complex, estate planning structure had been implemented via the LLC, Bremer and the court have known about it for 5 months. The actions of the various attorneys in the case (including those of the family) are inconsistent with that scenario.

You don’t know that and what if the only asssets in the LLC is the music and the Purple Rain house? Why would the estate planning/probate avoid ment be complicated ? Most of the fillings were not complicated as they turned out to be total crap and only went on for months because people keep refilling and now many have been dismissed. I think 15 of the filling were his cousins and another 7 or 8 were people he believed he was their dad.

Further, I think you're reading that LLC blurb and overestimating what's feasible from an estate planning standpoint. When they say that an LLC can help you avoid probate, they're saying that in terms of things like having your ownership interests be held as joint tenants in the entirety with your spouse, or having a living trust, etc. For an unmarried individual with no children, there aren't too many magical estate planning tools. In fact, if Prince had used the LLC for something like this, I think it'd have been much more likely he'd have just had the interests assigned at death to a

Did I not say that the interest could have been assigned to a non-profit or charity? You need to get off this he was not close to his relatives he took care of these people and his sister has been traveling with him the last few years. Just because you don’t see someone everyday does not mean you don’t care for them or take care of them. He put his money up for these people he cared about them. You are taking this information from the tabloids who are the only media outlets who have stated he did not like his siblings.

I think you are wrong about the 100 million number. Prince himself said he would do more for charity if half his income was not going away due to bootlegging and he was asking fans to distribute Hit and Run. Streaming has lowered the amount of money from music sales dramatically. Are you saying he is unlikely to be the sole member so you are agreeing he has shareholders? Confused.

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Just to clarify this, LLCs don't have shareholders. That is a concept from corporations, not LLCs. In any event, what I'm saying is that it's likely he was the sole member (meaning the person with 100% of the equity interest in the LLC), as making his siblings and half-siblings interestholders would have been highly tax inefficient.

As for the value of the assets in the LLC, when Prince was talking about his income, he's referring to the annual cash flow that the assets produce, not the value of the ownership rights. As a matter of principle, Prince did not want to sell the ownership of his music, he even though he could have done so for a significant amount of money. Instead, he wanted to keep ownership, even if the way he managed the licensing/distribution produced little revenue. For purposes of valuing the interests in the LLC, the relevant number isn't the annual income, it's the value of the assets (i.e., what a third party would pay to buy the ownership rights). Those assets would have triggered significant gift taxation to his siblings if he'd tried to transfer it them by making them interestholders in the LLC.

In any event, without beating a dead horse, the memorandum that you posted states that Prince was the Member of the LLC in question. No follow-up filings in the case seem to dispute that, even though the persons whom you theorize are the interestholders are making filings.

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BanishedBrian said:

I think you are wrong about the 100 million number. Prince himself said he would do more for charity if half his income was not going away due to bootlegging and he was asking fans to distribute Hit and Run. Streaming has lowered the amount of money from music sales dramatically. Are you saying he is unlikely to be the sole member so you are agreeing he has shareholders? Confused.

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Just to clarify this, LLCs don't have shareholders. That is a concept from corporations, not LLCs. In any event, what I'm saying is that it's likely he was the sole member (meaning the person with 100% of the equity interest in the LLC), as making his siblings and half-siblings interestholders would have been highly tax inefficient.

As for the value of the assets in the LLC, when Prince was talking about his income, he's referring to the annual cash flow that the assets produce, not the value of the ownership rights. As a matter of principle, Prince did not want to sell the ownership of his music, he even though he could have done so for a significant amount of money. Instead, he wanted to keep ownership, even if the way he managed the licensing/distribution produced little revenue. For purposes of valuing the interests in the LLC, the relevant number isn't the annual income, it's the value of the assets (i.e., what a third party would pay to buy the ownership rights). Those assets would have triggered significant gift taxation to his siblings if he'd tried to transfer it them by making them interestholders in the LLC.

In any event, without beating a dead horse, the memorandum that you posted states that Prince was the Member of the LLC in question. No follow-up filings in the case seem to dispute that, even though the persons whom you theorize are the interestholders are making filings.

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LLC’s have members/partners technically they are not shareholders. Sometimes they are refered to has shareholders because they do own shares in the organization but they are not issued stock but have a personal ownership interest in the LLC.

No one is arguing about the personal value of his music catalogue I am talking about the amount of actual revenue the royalties and licenses fees are bringing in. I doubt in the last two years he made 100 million due to royalties. I understand that his retaining ownership of everything was his long term goal but don’t think he was not talking about a loss of revenue due to boots and streaming eating into his royalties.

I don’t think he transferred anything to them while he was alive. I think he sat it up so the transfer would take place upon death and I don’t know that it is his siblings that are interest holders in the LLC. It could very well be a non-profit or a trust.

Once again we do not have access to any information that tells us anything about how this LLC was structured all financial transactions have been sealed with the exception of the list of real estate holdings. I have not even seen anything about this LLC in the filings and we the public are not going to see anything. Prince being a member only means his interest is a part of the estate. If there are other members of the LLC they can carry on and their interest are not a part of the estate. Like I said financial matters are sealed so we have no means of knowing this

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laurarichardson said:

Back then we did not have the details and we did not know about his health issues.

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With all due respect (because this is interesting information) - the "health issues" you speak of are conjecture. Not even Tyka's comments confirm anything about what may or may not have been going on two years ago, health-wise.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

// Chronic pain and dependency on pain meds are health issues.

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Yes. And stating with certainty that these issue were afflicting him two years ago is conjecture.

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Even if we can accept that it is a reasonable assumption he was dealing with either or both of those in 2014, you've consistently drawn conclusions that he was expecting/preparing to die. That's the conjecture I was primarily referring to.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

// Chronic pain and dependency on pain meds are health issues.

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Yes. And stating with certainty that these issue were afflicting him two years ago is conjecture.

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Even if we can accept that it is a reasonable assumption he was dealing with either or both of those in 2014, you've consistently drawn conclusions that he was expecting/preparing to die. That's the conjecture I was primarily referring to.

We know from the Ebony article from 2010 and from Billy Sparks he had hip surgery and that he had scars on both legs from the autospy report. We know have at least 6 people who said he actually discussed joint pain with them. If you have surgery for any type of joint pain you are going to be given pain meds. If he had surgery back in 2010 why would he not have been taking pain meds and if he had no problem with them why was he seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from pain meds?

It is not an assumption that he was was dealing with health issues in 2014 we know he was in the hospital for dehydration in 2014 from the Carver County Ambulance logs and one item on line said he was in the hospital for Sephis.

My conclusion about him preparing to die came from the comments his own sister made not something I came up with on my own. How would grieve and be crushed if someone was preparing to retire?

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laurarichardson said:

CAL3 said:

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Yes. And stating with certainty that these issue were afflicting him two years ago is conjecture.

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Even if we can accept that it is a reasonable assumption he was dealing with either or both of those in 2014, you've consistently drawn conclusions that he was expecting/preparing to die. That's the conjecture I was primarily referring to.

We know from the Ebony article from 2010 and from Billy Sparks he had hip surgery and that he had scars on both legs from the autospy report. We know have at least 6 people who said he actually discussed joint pain with them. If you have surgery for any type of joint pain you are going to be given pain meds. If he had surgery back in 2010 why would he not have been taking pain meds and if he had no problem with them why was he seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from pain meds?

It is not an assumption that he was was dealing with health issues in 2014 we know he was in the hospital for dehydration in 2014 from the Carver County Ambulance logs and one item on line said he was in the hospital for Sephis.

My conclusion about him preparing to die came from the comments his own sister made not something I came up with on my own. How would grieve and be crushed if someone was preparing to retire?

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All I'm saying is that all the conclusions you've drawn are conjecture.

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I'm not saying the use of pain meds is an unreasonable assumption, if we also assume the unconfirmed talk of surgery is in fact true - but attempting to pinpoint dependency is not possible without more information. Also, chronic pain and the management of it is something that is dealt with by millions and is not always indicative of a life-threatening situtation.

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The comments his sister made were extremely vague - almost to the point of being nonsensical. What she said could mean almost anything. Or she could've misinterpreted whatever it was Prince said to her (which, again, she was unclear about).

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Without knowing Tyka, it's impossible to say how she interpreted her discussion with Prince and impossible to say why she reacted the way she apparently did. There's no real reason to take what she's saying at face value, because there wasn't any actual information conveyed.

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My point is that - aside from the fact he died and the official conclusion that it was a fentanyl OD - literally everything else is 'maybes.'

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

We know from the Ebony article from 2010 and from Billy Sparks he had hip surgery and that he had scars on both legs from the autospy report. We know have at least 6 people who said he actually discussed joint pain with them. If you have surgery for any type of joint pain you are going to be given pain meds. If he had surgery back in 2010 why would he not have been taking pain meds and if he had no problem with them why was he seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from pain meds?

It is not an assumption that he was was dealing with health issues in 2014 we know he was in the hospital for dehydration in 2014 from the Carver County Ambulance logs and one item on line said he was in the hospital for Sephis.

My conclusion about him preparing to die came from the comments his own sister made not something I came up with on my own. How would grieve and be crushed if someone was preparing to retire?

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All I'm saying is that all the conclusions you've drawn are conjecture.

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I'm not saying the use of pain meds is an unreasonable assumption, if we also assume the unconfirmed talk of surgery is in fact true - but attempting to pinpoint dependency is not possible without more information. Also, chronic pain and the management of it is something that is dealt with by millions and is not always indicative of a life-threatening situtation.

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The comments his sister made were extremely vague - almost to the point of being nonsensical. What she said could mean almost anything. Or she could've misinterpreted whatever it was Prince said to her (which, again, she was unclear about).

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Without knowing Tyka, it's impossible to say how she interpreted her discussion with Prince and impossible to say why she reacted the way she apparently did. There's no real reason to take what she's saying at face value, because there wasn't any actual information conveyed.

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My point is that - aside from the fact he died and the official conclusion that it was a fentanyl OD - literally everything else is 'maybes.'

“I'm not saying the use of pain meds is an unreasonable assumption, if we also assume the unconfirmed talk of surgery is in fact true - but attempting to pinpoint dependency is not possible without more information. Also, chronic pain and the management of it is something that is dealt with by millions and is not always indicative of a life-threatening situation.”

There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! Prince mentions this himself in the Ebony article which was reprinted by the journalist who interviewed him in the Washington Post. I will post it if you like and Billy Sparks who worked and knew Prince for 30 years said so on the Tom Joyner show which I posted on this board a few months ago. Chronic pain management also causes serious health issues for people under pain management which can lead to early death. These pain pills can destroy your organs even if you have an Rx this is a fact. Up until 3 years ago pain meds had high amounts of antceimphionen which causes liver damage. The DEA made pharmaceutical companies lessen the amounts. This is not something I am making up and is very easy to find out for yourself. These meds are highly addictive under a doctor’s care and many doctors are refusing to put people on pain management unless it is an extreme situation for fear of lawsuits.

“The comments his sister made were extremely vague - almost to the point of being nonsensical. What she said could mean almost anything. Or she could've misinterpreted whatever it was Prince said to her (which, again, she was unclear about).”

No they were not she was clear about two things. She had two years to grieve and she was crushed. What do people grieve about? Usually sickness or death. She was not grieving because he got back his masters. Are people crushed by someone accomplishing their goals? What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story. Would that not mean there is more to the story?

“Without knowing Tyka, it's impossible to say how she interpreted her discussion with Prince and impossible to say why she reacted the way she apparently did. There's no real reason to take what she's saying at face value, because there wasn't any actual information conveyed. “

You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her. Stop making her out to be some moron who simply could not understand a conversation with her own brother. The only actual information that would prove what she is saying is true is Prince’ s medical file. Do you really think we are going to see that information? In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

“My point is that - aside from the fact he died and the official conclusion that it was a fentanyl OD - literally everything else is 'maybes.'”

If you cut off your brain I guess everything is a maybe for some people. More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

laurarichardson said:

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There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! ... I will post it if you like

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Post a link to an actual medical report when you have it.

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But for the moment, we'll assume he underwent routine hip surgery of some kind. People undergo this surgery every day. Some do not require long-term pain management therapy - pharmaceutical or otherwise. Some do. If he had hip surgery, so be it. It doesn't necessarily contribute significantly to the events resulting in his death.

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This is not something I am making up

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I'm not suggesting you are making up the facts about pain meds and the risks and dangers inherent in using them. I am saying that general facts about medications does not fill in the gaps in Prince's specific case.

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What do people grieve about?

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There are as many answers to this question as there are people roaming the planet.

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She was not grieving because ...

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You don't know why she says she was grieving. She didn't explicitly say. She left it wide open to interpretation. Which is what you're doing. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is because - with all due respect - you seem to believe you have more concrete information than you actually do.

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You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her

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I'm not saying she did or did not understand what he told her. But we don't know what he told her. By the way, unless I'm mistaken you don't know her either - so the question is who are you to say you do know she understood or interpreted whatever was said correctly?

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What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story.

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When they speak about the "whole story" then we'll know, at least their version(s) of it. But until then we don't.

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Stop making her out to be some moron

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Not doing that - not in the slightest.

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In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

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Which is categorically not what we got from Tyka. She spoke briefly and obliquely about a conversation from two years ago. No, I don't expect to have access to Prince's medical records - and I would be more inclined to "take someone's word" if and when someone offers something substantial.

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More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

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There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! ... I will post it if you like

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Post a link to an actual medical report when you have it.

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But for the moment, we'll assume he underwent routine hip surgery of some kind. People undergo this surgery every day. Some do not require long-term pain management therapy - pharmaceutical or otherwise. Some do. If he had hip surgery, so be it. It doesn't necessarily contribute significantly to the events resulting in his death.

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This is not something I am making up

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I'm not suggesting you are making up the facts about pain meds and the risks and dangers inherent in using them. I am saying that general facts about medications does not fill in the gaps in Prince's specific case.

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What do people grieve about?

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There are as many answers to this question as there are people roaming the planet.

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She was not grieving because ...

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You don't know why she says she was grieving. She didn't explicitly say. She left it wide open to interpretation. Which is what you're doing. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is because - with all due respect - you seem to believe you have more concrete information than you actually do.

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You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her

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I'm not saying she did or did not understand what he told her. But we don't know what he told her. By the way, unless I'm mistaken you don't know her either - so the question is who are you to say you do know she understood or interpreted whatever was said correctly?

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What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story.

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When they speak about the "whole story" then we'll know, at least their version(s) of it. But until then we don't.

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Stop making her out to be some moron

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Not doing that - not in the slightest.

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In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

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Which is categorically not what we got from Tyka. She spoke briefly and obliquely about a conversation from two years ago. No, I don't expect to have access to Prince's medical records - and I would be more inclined to "take someone's word" if and when someone offers something substantial.

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More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

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More information may come out. Then again it may not.

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In the event that it does, I suggest you prepare yourself as well. Because it may not be what you are expecting to hear and it may contradict much of the conjecture you have been posting.

Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked but this is the norm for the org. People who question everyone and everything but never answer any questions.

There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! ... I will post it if you like Post a link to an actual medical report when you have it

I don’t have his medical report and you don’t either but I do have a link to Prince discussing recent surgery in this interview that was not published once but twice. We also have an autopsy report mentioning two scars on both legs. Maybe the two things have something to do with each other but they would require thinking. Here it the link we need not the one you know we will never have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/the-day-i-hung-out-at-princes-house-talking-fame-disguises-and-michael-jacksons-death/

Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag.

But for the moment, we'll assume he underwent routine hip surgery of some kind. People undergo this surgery every day. Some do not require long-term pain management therapy - pharmaceutical or otherwise. Some do. If he had hip surgery, so be it. It doesn't necessarily contribute significantly to the events resulting in his death.

Most do require some type of pain management because the surgeries are not 100 proof successful and residential pain continues. You can look it up for yourself in addition, we have no record of Prince retiring from the stage or slowing his moments. He was not a guy sitting at a desk all day. Unless you think he cloned himself.

This is not something I am making up

I'm not suggesting you are making up the facts about pain meds and the risks and dangers inherent in using them. I am saying that general facts about medications does not fill in the gaps in Prince's specific case.

Yes, they do you just don’t want to acknowledge it. Why would someone just randomly pick pain meds to become dependent on when his background does not show him to be a pro drug person. People got fired for using drugs in his band. He would not let people in Paisley Park with drugs or allow alcohol to be sold. People who use drugs and like it want to be around other drug users, the talk about and he probably would have wrote about as well. In addition, he pissed off enough people early in career that someone would have dimed him out a long time ago.

What do people grieve about?

There are as many answers to this question as there are people roaming the planet.

Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because Prince had reached his career goals. She was actually saying that it will take a while for the fans get over grieving because it took her two years. Do you think she meant the fans are grieving over his having accomplished everything or do you think she meant his death?

She was not grieving because ...

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You don't know why she says she was grieving. She didn't explicitly say. She left it wide open to interpretation. Which is what you're doing. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is because - with all due respect - you seem to believe you have more concrete information than you actually do.

No she did not she was discussing how long it will take for the fans to get over grieving his death. Why is that not clear to you? She was saying she had a two year head start on grieving I don’t have anymore information than you have but I am not living in La La land.

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You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her.I'm not saying she did or did not understand what he told her. But we don't know what he told her. By the way, unless I'm mistaken you don't know her either - so the question is who are you to say you do know she understood or interpreted whatever was said correctly?

She said exactly what he told her. I am going by what she said. I don’t need to know her to know what I heard her say.

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What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story.

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When they speak about the "whole story" then we'll know, at least their version(s) of it. But until then we don't.

See when they speak and they will you still will not believe it. Your thinking goes round and round and goes no place.

Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

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Which is categorically not what we got from Tyka. She spoke briefly and obliquely about a conversation from two years ago. No, I don't expect to have access to Prince's medical records - and I would be more inclined to "take someone's word" if and when someone offers something substantial.

The only thing substantial for you would be his medical records since you don’t believe anything anyone who knew his is saying.

More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

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More information may come out. Then again it may not.

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In the event that it does, I suggest you prepare yourself as well. Because it may not be what you are expecting to hear and it may contradict much of the conjecture you have been posting.

It will because whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light.

laurarichardson said:

CAL3 said:

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There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! ... I will post it if you like

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Post a link to an actual medical report when you have it.

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But for the moment, we'll assume he underwent routine hip surgery of some kind. People undergo this surgery every day. Some do not require long-term pain management therapy - pharmaceutical or otherwise. Some do. If he had hip surgery, so be it. It doesn't necessarily contribute significantly to the events resulting in his death.

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This is not something I am making up

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I'm not suggesting you are making up the facts about pain meds and the risks and dangers inherent in using them. I am saying that general facts about medications does not fill in the gaps in Prince's specific case.

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What do people grieve about?

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There are as many answers to this question as there are people roaming the planet.

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She was not grieving because ...

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You don't know why she says she was grieving. She didn't explicitly say. She left it wide open to interpretation. Which is what you're doing. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is because - with all due respect - you seem to believe you have more concrete information than you actually do.

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You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her

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I'm not saying she did or did not understand what he told her. But we don't know what he told her. By the way, unless I'm mistaken you don't know her either - so the question is who are you to say you do know she understood or interpreted whatever was said correctly?

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What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story.

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When they speak about the "whole story" then we'll know, at least their version(s) of it. But until then we don't.

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Stop making her out to be some moron

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Not doing that - not in the slightest.

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In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

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Which is categorically not what we got from Tyka. She spoke briefly and obliquely about a conversation from two years ago. No, I don't expect to have access to Prince's medical records - and I would be more inclined to "take someone's word" if and when someone offers something substantial.

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More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

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More information may come out. Then again it may not.

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In the event that it does, I suggest you prepare yourself as well. Because it may not be what you are expecting to hear and it may contradict much of the conjecture you have been posting.

Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked but this is the norm for the org. People who question everyone and everything but never answer any questions.

There is no unconfirmed talk of surgery!!! ... I will post it if you like Post a link to an actual medical report when you have it

I don’t have his medical report and you don’t either but I do have a link to Prince discussing recent surgery in this interview that was not published once but twice. We also have an autopsy report mentioning two scars on both legs. Maybe the two things have something to do with each other but they would require thinking. Here it the link we need not the one you know we will never have.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2016/04/22/the-day-i-hung-out-at-princes-house-talking-fame-disguises-and-michael-jacksons-death/

Two hours passed before Prince strode into the room to meet us, wearing fairly casual clothing, in his own unique style, of course: fitted black button-up shirt and black slacks, accented by Lucite-soled sneakers inset with lights that blinked on his every step. His walk was more of a “pimp,” really — partially due to a recent hip surgery, but also because Prince just had incredible swag.

But for the moment, we'll assume he underwent routine hip surgery of some kind. People undergo this surgery every day. Some do not require long-term pain management therapy - pharmaceutical or otherwise. Some do. If he had hip surgery, so be it. It doesn't necessarily contribute significantly to the events resulting in his death.

Most do require some type of pain management because the surgeries are not 100 proof successful and residential pain continues. You can look it up for yourself in addition, we have no record of Prince retiring from the stage or slowing his moments. He was not a guy sitting at a desk all day. Unless you think he cloned himself.

This is not something I am making up

I'm not suggesting you are making up the facts about pain meds and the risks and dangers inherent in using them. I am saying that general facts about medications does not fill in the gaps in Prince's specific case.

Yes, they do you just don’t want to acknowledge it. Why would someone just randomly pick pain meds to become dependent on when his background does not show him to be a pro drug person. People got fired for using drugs in his band. He would not let people in Paisley Park with drugs or allow alcohol to be sold. People who use drugs and like it want to be around other drug users, the talk about and he probably would have wrote about as well. In addition, he pissed off enough people early in career that someone would have dimed him out a long time ago.

See the link about the downside of taking pain meds even with an Rx as if taking them with an Rx would make these problems not exsist.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/2013/07/the-down-side-and-side-effects-of-painkillers/

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Prescription drugs can knock out chronic pain. But these and other opioids, which decrease pain perception, come with mighty side effects.

Opioids aren’t for everyone. In fact, they’re often reserved for patients with severe pain from terminal cancer.

“We prescribe opioids only when other treatments and pain medications don’t work,” says Benjamin Abraham, MD, of Cleveland Clinic’s Department of Pain Management. “Because of the challenges that can come with using opioids, patients who take them require careful monitoring and regular follow-ups.”

One of the biggest challenges is risk of abuse. Opioids are highly addictive. In the past decade, the number of deaths from painkillers, including opioids, has quadrupled to nearly 15,000 per year in the United States.

A few potential side effects from opioids

But even when used as prescribed, opioids can cause unwelcome side effects including:

Constipation. Constipation is the most common side effect of opioids, affecting up to 90 percent of patients, according to one study. It can set in almost immediately, after only a day or two of opioid use. Complications can range from uncomfortable hemorrhoids to life-threatening bowel obstruction. That’s why most patients on opioids are advised to take stool softeners, laxatives or both.

Hormone imbalance. Opioid use often causes low levels of testosterone or estrogen, the male and female sex hormones. People may experience erectile dysfunction, reduced libido, fatigue, hot flashes, menstrual irregularities, low energy, weight gain and depression. And hormone imbalance can lead to more serious complications, such as infertility and osteoporosis.

The best resolution is to stop taking opioids. Another option is hormone replacement therapy, although estrogen replacement in w...l concerns.

Worsened pain. It may seem ironic, but opioids can actually intensify pain in some people — sometimes within minutes of taking the drug. The reasons aren’t clear. People with this side effect are either transitioned to a different drug or weaned off opioids altogether.

Weakened immune system. Your body’s ability to fight off infection weakens immediately upon taking opioids, even if you don’t get sick for months later. With no tried-and-true way to boost immune function, the best way to manage this side effect is to stop taking opioids.

Depression. Studies show that about 10 percent of patients using opioids develop some kind of depression. If discontinuing opioids isn’t preferred, antidepressants may help.

“These side effects are not limited to people who abuse opioids or have been taking opioids long-term,” says Dr. Abraham. “They can occur in anybody — even patients who just started an opioid regimen.”

That’s why opioids should be used cautiously and only as a last resort.

“For those struggling with chronic pain, pain management specialists can offer an array of other treatment options with fewer if any side effects,” says Dr. Abraham.

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What do people grieve about?

There are as many answers to this question as there are people roaming the planet.

Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because Prince had reached his career goals. She was actually saying that it will take a while for the fans get over grieving because it took her two years. Do you think she meant the fans are grieving over his having accomplished everything or do you think she meant his death?

She was not grieving because ...

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You don't know why she says she was grieving. She didn't explicitly say. She left it wide open to interpretation. Which is what you're doing. The reason I'm engaging in this conversation is because - with all due respect - you seem to believe you have more concrete information than you actually do.

No she did not she was discussing how long it will take for the fans to get over grieving his death. Why is that not clear to you? She was saying she had a two year head start on grieving I don’t have anymore information than you have but I am not living in La La land.

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You are correct you don’t know her so who are you to say that this women could not understand what her own brother was saying to her.I'm not saying she did or did not understand what he told her. But we don't know what he told her. By the way, unless I'm mistaken you don't know her either - so the question is who are you to say you do know she understood or interpreted whatever was said correctly?

She said exactly what he told her. I am going by what she said. I don’t need to know her to know what I heard her say.

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What about the half a dozen people who keep saying we don’t know the whole story.

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When they speak about the "whole story" then we'll know, at least their version(s) of it. But until then we don't.

See when they speak and they will you still will not believe it. Your thinking goes round and round and goes no place.

Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

In the end we are going to have to take someone’s word for something.

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Which is categorically not what we got from Tyka. She spoke briefly and obliquely about a conversation from two years ago. No, I don't expect to have access to Prince's medical records - and I would be more inclined to "take someone's word" if and when someone offers something substantial.

The only thing substantial for you would be his medical records since you don’t believe anything anyone who knew his is saying.

More information is going to come out so you and everyone else needs to prepare yourself.

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More information may come out. Then again it may not.

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In the event that it does, I suggest you prepare yourself as well. Because it may not be what you are expecting to hear and it may contradict much of the conjecture you have been posting.

It will because whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light.

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Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

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Oh BULLSHIT - look, I'm trying my goddamnedest to be civil here but if you're going to insist I've insulted someone with what I've said, then it's crystal clear that I'm just not getting through to you.

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I don't want to dissect your response, because you're simply not recognizing the basic points I'm making. And those points are water tight, because I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I've been open-minded, I'm just pointing out where SOME of what you're saying is illogical.

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And in case you think I'm ignoring all the links and other info you've included - I'm hearing what you're saying about the variety of circumstances that can surround a person who has undergone surgery, started using pain meds, etc. BUT - and this is what's germane to this discussion - some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death.

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Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because ...

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Please - I'm not implying anything. You're doing ALL the implying. I'm saying we don't KNOW what she heard or what she thought. You and I weren't not present for the discussion between she and her brother. All we know is that she did NOT tell us WHY she was grieving and preparing for his passing.

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Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked

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Seriously - is this some kind of bizzarro world thread?? No one here can answer the questions being posed - including you.

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whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light

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That may be a comforting platitude - but it is most definitely not a truism.

CAL3 said:

laurarichardson said:

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Stop making her out to be some moron

Not doing that - not in the slightest.

Yes, you are

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Oh BULLSHIT - look, I'm trying my goddamnedest to be civil here but if you're going to insist I've insulted someone with what I've said, then it's crystal clear that I'm just not getting through to you.

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I don't want to dissect your response, because you're simply not recognizing the basic points I'm making. And those points are water tight, because I'm not jumping to any conclusions. I've been open-minded, I'm just pointing out where SOME of what you're saying is illogical.

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And in case you think I'm ignoring all the links and other info you've included - I'm hearing what you're saying about the variety of circumstances that can surround a person who has undergone surgery, started using pain meds, etc. BUT - and this is what's germane to this discussion - some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death.

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Dude are you really going to imply that she was grieving because ...

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Please - I'm not implying anything. You're doing ALL the implying. I'm saying we don't KNOW what she heard or what she thought. You and I weren't not present for the discussion between she and her brother. All we know is that she did NOT tell us WHY she was grieving and preparing for his passing.

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Not one single answer to any of the questions I asked

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Seriously - is this some kind of bizzarro world thread?? No one here can answer the questions being posed - including you.

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whatever is in the dark always comes out into the light

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That may be a comforting platitude - but it is most definitely not a truism.

All you do is talk in circles and you don't answer any questions or bring anything to the table.

You think Tyka was being vague and apparently does not have enough common sense to know what her own brother means when he is speaking to her.

You refuse to you some reasoning to put anything together. Such as people normally greiving over sickness or death not carreer achievments.

"some, all, or none of it may be implicable to the specific case of Prince's death."

And it could all or some be plicable to him as he was not immune to the effects of the meds. It does not take long to become dependent and ill from these meds and he was seeing a doctor for withdrawals ( this was in the search warrent) Do you think he was seeing the doctor and waiting on test results because he was in perfect health? Do you think he was superman and could some how avoid the results of these meds? These are not hard questions to answer.

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CAL3 said:

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Yes. And stating with certainty that these issue were afflicting him two years ago is conjecture.

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Even if we can accept that it is a reasonable assumption he was dealing with either or both of those in 2014, you've consistently drawn conclusions that he was expecting/preparing to die. That's the conjecture I was primarily referring to.

We know from the Ebony article from 2010 and from Billy Sparks he had hip surgery and that he had scars on both legs from the autospy report. We know have at least 6 people who said he actually discussed joint pain with them. If you have surgery for any type of joint pain you are going to be given pain meds. If he had surgery back in 2010 why would he not have been taking pain meds and if he had no problem with them why was he seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from pain meds?

It is not an assumption that he was was dealing with health issues in 2014 we know he was in the hospital for dehydration in 2014 from the Carver County Ambulance logs and one item on line said he was in the hospital for Sephis.

My conclusion about him preparing to die came from the comments his own sister made not something I came up with on my own. How would grieve and be crushed if someone was preparing to retire?

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Tyka's crushed comment could mean that Prince told her he was in too much pain to continue performing and with his addiction to painkillers being a big issue as well he was invisioning not being able to perform in the very near future. That would be enough to crush her, especially if the decision to stop performing was having a big impact on Prince and he himself was feeling crushed. That would explain the Piano and a Microphone, the planning for PP to be turned into a museum, the memories book, the opening up to fans, the more relaxed look (which some also understood as him being less groomed), the lack of a will (he didn't expect to die), and so on.

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MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

We know from the Ebony article from 2010 and from Billy Sparks he had hip surgery and that he had scars on both legs from the autospy report. We know have at least 6 people who said he actually discussed joint pain with them. If you have surgery for any type of joint pain you are going to be given pain meds. If he had surgery back in 2010 why would he not have been taking pain meds and if he had no problem with them why was he seeing Dr. S for withdrawals from pain meds?

It is not an assumption that he was was dealing with health issues in 2014 we know he was in the hospital for dehydration in 2014 from the Carver County Ambulance logs and one item on line said he was in the hospital for Sephis.

My conclusion about him preparing to die came from the comments his own sister made not something I came up with on my own. How would grieve and be crushed if someone was preparing to retire?

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Tyka's crushed comment could mean that Prince told her he was in too much pain to continue performing and with his addiction to painkillers being a big issue as well he was invisioning not being able to perform in the very near future. That would be enough to crush her, especially if the decision to stop performing was having a big impact on Prince and he himself was feeling crushed. That would explain the Piano and a Microphone, the planning for PP to be turned into a museum, the memories book, the opening up to fans, the more relaxed look (which some also understood as him being less groomed), the lack of a will (he didn't expect to die), and so on.

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Deductive reasoning is a logical process in which a conclusion is based on the concordance of multiple premises that are generally assumed to be true.

In 2014 he got back the US rights to his masters. It's not unreasonable that he would want his songs in a company he controlled. He also hired someone to look after his publishing. Again nothing out of the ordinary about that.

It's unlikely he'd set up any kind of auto-transfer upon death because that would point towards planning for his death... which clearly he didn't do. He didn't have a will, which does seem strange gven his wealth and the number of lawyers he had as friends.

There is absolutely nothing that points towards Prince planning for his death. He was still working on new material, he'd agreed to perform at the new stadium. It seemed like he'd just hired mono-neon.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

In 2014 he got back the US rights to his masters. It's not unreasonable that he would want his songs in a company he controlled. He also hired someone to look after his publishing. Again nothing out of the ordinary about that.

It's unlikely he'd set up any kind of auto-transfer upon death because that would point towards planning for his death... which clearly he didn't do. He didn't have a will, which does seem strange gven his wealth and the number of lawyers he had as friends.

There is absolutely nothing that points towards Prince planning for his death. He was still working on new material, he'd agreed to perform at the new stadium. It seemed like he'd just hired mono-neon.

-- He may have been planning for a death that came sooner than expected. Please see the following. 1. Making amends with people he had not spoken with in years. Dez D say he talked to Prince for 3 hours in January and they had not spoken in 12 years. He will not say what the conversation was concerning. Same stiuation with Morris Day who actually said he belived Prince knew his time was short. 2. The Piano and Mic Tour. 3.Signing a book deal. 4. Turning Paisley Park into a museum he even took out his basketball court. 5. Planning on saying at Paisley Park to perform according to Dr. Funkenberry. 4. His comments to his sister and her greiving 5. The large amounts of that Van Jones is saying he gave away. Do we know how much liquid cash he even had if he was giving so much away. 5. About a dozen people who worked for him said we don't know the whole story. What is the whole story? We know about pain pills so we know that part of the story. 6. The timing of getting his masters back, going back with Warner Brothers, Apples story about her visit in 2014, Setting up the LLC, Tyka'time frame concerning Prince's, All of these things start taking place in 2014. 7. Why was in withdrawing from pain meds on an outpatient basis using bootleg meds to ween himself. Why was he not in a rehab were he could have the proper meds to get the help he needed. Was it a fear of a loss of privacy because his business was already out there due to plane incident. Rehabs don't give out your personal info. Could it be that he had other health issues that a stint in rehab would not solved. Pain pills even when under a doctor care have terriable side effects and long term effects that can kill you. We don't know how long he was taking them or if he ever had an Rx for them but these meds can cause severe organ damage and death. It foolish to assume that Prince wound have been immumne to the effects of the meds. As far as we know his plans only extended to August. We know Dr S. was bringing test results to him that morning and he gone to the Doctor the day before. You do not need to go to the doctor to be told a few times that you are addicted to pain pills. I am not going to discuss the LLC with you anymore because you know we do not know how it was structured and we are not going to see any financial information as all of that info is sealed with exception of the properties that are being sold. We don't know if he put some assests in a trust or in this LLc or other business entities. We do know that one of the Breamer lawyers called it a vast entertainment empire. So more is involved then we know.

He was in talks to tour Australia again in November.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/stellar/a-behindthescenes-look-at-princes-last-australian-tour/news-story/26f03d777dc59ee22bce58f85ce31043?nk=7ddb6eff8b10acbc4356a35a6d423cf8-1476547770

He was also working a new album with MonoNeon. Possible 2nd 3EG album, and another Jazz project.

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said: -- He may have been planning for a death that came sooner than expected. Please see the following. 1. Making amends with people he had not spoken with in years. Dez D say he talked to Prince for 3 hours in January and they had not spoken in 12 years. He will not say what the conversation was concerning. Same stiuation with Morris Day who actually said he belived Prince knew his time was short. 2. The Piano and Mic Tour. 3.Signing a book deal. 4. Turning Paisley Park into a museum he even took out his basketball court. 5. Planning on saying at Paisley Park to perform according to Dr. Funkenberry. 4. His comments to his sister and her greiving 5. The large amounts of that Van Jones is saying he gave away. Do we know how much liquid cash he even had if he was giving so much away. 5. About a dozen people who worked for him said we don't know the whole story. What is the whole story? We know about pain pills so we know that part of the story. 6. The timing of getting his masters back, going back with Warner Brothers, Apples story about her visit in 2014, Setting up the LLC, Tyka'time frame concerning Prince's, All of these things start taking place in 2014. 7. Why was in withdrawing from pain meds on an outpatient basis using bootleg meds to ween himself. Why was he not in a rehab were he could have the proper meds to get the help he needed. Was it a fear of a loss of privacy because his business was already out there due to plane incident. Rehabs don't give out your personal info. Could it be that he had other health issues that a stint in rehab would not solved. Pain pills even when under a doctor care have terriable side effects and long term effects that can kill you. We don't know how long he was taking them or if he ever had an Rx for them but these meds can cause severe organ damage and death. It foolish to assume that Prince wound have been immumne to the effects of the meds. As far as we know his plans only extended to August. We know Dr S. was bringing test results to him that morning and he gone to the Doctor the day before. You do not need to go to the doctor to be told a few times that you are addicted to pain pills. I am not going to discuss the LLC with you anymore because you know we do not know how it was structured and we are not going to see any financial information as all of that info is sealed with exception of the properties that are being sold. We don't know if he put some assests in a trust or in this LLc or other business entities. We do know that one of the Breamer lawyers called it a vast entertainment empire. So more is involved then we know.

He was in talks to tour Australia again in November.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/stellar/a-behindthescenes-look-at-princes-last-australian-tour/news-story/26f03d777dc59ee22bce58f85ce31043?nk=7ddb6eff8b10acbc4356a35a6d423cf8-1476547770

He was also working a new album with MonoNeon. Possible 2nd 3EG album, and another Jazz project.

And he was in talks for a Portuguese tour in the summer 2016.

Noodled24 said:

Noodled24 said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said: -- He may have been planning for a death that came sooner than expected. Please see the following. 1. Making amends with people he had not spoken with in years. Dez D say he talked to Prince for 3 hours in January and they had not spoken in 12 years. He will not say what the conversation was concerning. Same stiuation with Morris Day who actually said he belived Prince knew his time was short. 2. The Piano and Mic Tour. 3.Signing a book deal. 4. Turning Paisley Park into a museum he even took out his basketball court. 5. Planning on saying at Paisley Park to perform according to Dr. Funkenberry. 4. His comments to his sister and her greiving 5. The large amounts of that Van Jones is saying he gave away. Do we know how much liquid cash he even had if he was giving so much away. 5. About a dozen people who worked for him said we don't know the whole story. What is the whole story? We know about pain pills so we know that part of the story. 6. The timing of getting his masters back, going back with Warner Brothers, Apples story about her visit in 2014, Setting up the LLC, Tyka'time frame concerning Prince's, All of these things start taking place in 2014. 7. Why was in withdrawing from pain meds on an outpatient basis using bootleg meds to ween himself. Why was he not in a rehab were he could have the proper meds to get the help he needed. Was it a fear of a loss of privacy because his business was already out there due to plane incident. Rehabs don't give out your personal info. Could it be that he had other health issues that a stint in rehab would not solved. Pain pills even when under a doctor care have terriable side effects and long term effects that can kill you. We don't know how long he was taking them or if he ever had an Rx for them but these meds can cause severe organ damage and death. It foolish to assume that Prince wound have been immumne to the effects of the meds. As far as we know his plans only extended to August. We know Dr S. was bringing test results to him that morning and he gone to the Doctor the day before. You do not need to go to the doctor to be told a few times that you are addicted to pain pills. I am not going to discuss the LLC with you anymore because you know we do not know how it was structured and we are not going to see any financial information as all of that info is sealed with exception of the properties that are being sold. We don't know if he put some assests in a trust or in this LLc or other business entities. We do know that one of the Breamer lawyers called it a vast entertainment empire. So more is involved then we know.

He was in talks to tour Australia again in November.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/stellar/a-behindthescenes-look-at-princes-last-australian-tour/news-story/26f03d777dc59ee22bce58f85ce31043?nk=7ddb6eff8b10acbc4356a35a6d423cf8-1476547770

He was also working a new album with MonoNeon. Possible 2nd 3EG album, and another Jazz project.

Those projects would have been amazing.

laurarichardson said:

I said he may have been planning for a death that came sooner than he thought. Stop pretending that these pain pills don't wreak your health. What other meds did Dr. S write for him and what test results was he bringing on the April 21st? His stiuation with his health could have changed dramatically from the time he made plans to tour in the fall.

I agree with you Laura..

You know...If anyone has any doubts that P was ailing...take a look at Andre Cymone , Same age as P....

I doubt Andre has lead as CLEAN a lifestlyle as Prince..

yet he looks Very Healthy...Glowing even....

If you put the two of them side by side it would be very obvious that one of them was not well...

I DO believe he has sick and was trying to go on as if there was no problem...

He would not have wanted the PITY or ATTENTION that would accompany any formal announcement if his ill health..

SO..knowing he was ill, he would have surely contemplated his future, knowing it was limited, putting some things in Place...and acting as if nothing was going on at the same time...

NPGMusicpublishing the former

Planning future events the latter....

No one knows WHEN they are going to die, but P was always ready to quit this Body at any time..

I think that Paisly Park was the Part of his legacy that he cared about the most...

Its his Palace,

the Place where he know Fams could come like Pilgrams and find PEACE love and Harmony.

His music...Well he was still trying to figure out the BEST way wasnt he ?

GOd had other Plans....

"Im taking him back now...you guys squabble amongst yourselves but That music is Eternal,

you might not even get to Listen to it all...

Take that for not fully appreciating Prince when he was here !"

There is some kind of perfection in all this...Just trying to adjust my eyes to see it clearly...

Lovejunky said:

I agree with you Laura..

You know...If anyone has any doubts that P was ailing...take a look at Andre Cymone , Same age as P....

I doubt Andre has lead as CLEAN a lifestlyle as Prince..

yet he looks Very Healthy...Glowing even....

If you put the two of them side by side it would be very obvious that one of them was not well...

What is this nonsense?... If I go back to Febuary 2016 will I find lots of posts about P looking ill? You're only coming up with this after the fact.

It wasn't obvious to fans, nor did it seem obvious to his inner circle, the varous concert promoters he worked with around the world, or the media. The guy was still making plans and seemed to be on the verge of seeking help.

Noodled24 said:

Lovejunky said:

laurarichardson said:

Noodled24 said:

What is this nonsense?... If I go back to Febuary 2016 will I find lots of posts about P looking ill? You're only coming up with this after the fact.

It wasn't obvious to fans, nor did it seem obvious to his inner circle, the varous concert promoters he worked with around the world, or the media. The guy was still making plans and seemed to be on the verge of seeking help.

I did not think he looked so good when he was on the view when we first saw the "fro". I also did not think he looked good on SNL. If you think there is no difference in his look from the fall of 2015 from the pic from the Vikings game and the National Black Journalist party to the Australian shows you have a eye oroblem.

Show me these posts you repeatedly made about how unwell he looked?

Noodled24 said: