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Madhouse: Greatest Hits (1999/2000 Unreleased)

Madhouse Greatest Hits is an unreleased studio compilation album by Madhouse mentioned on theLove4oneanother.com website in 1999 (the exact title is unconfirmed so we have used Prince's chosen wording as the assumed title).

During a Love4oneanother.com "? of the week" in 1999, a fan (using the name Czer1) asked if there were any plans to release the album 24, and/or re-release/re-record 8 and 16, to which Prince replied:

"We r planning a Madhouse greatest hits... coming soon. Beware of the bootleg cover band who stole r name [It is unclear to which band Prince was referring]."

Nothing else is known about the planned album, and any tracklist is speculative, but since Prince used the term "greatest hits" it seems likely that Six, Ten and Thirteen would be included, as these were the only tracks to be released as singles by Madhouse. Beyond that, it is possible that some of the tracks played regularly live (including Four) might have been included, as well as the 1993 track 17 (which was released on the 1994 compilation album 1-800 New Funk) and perhaps the 1995-1996 tracks 17 and 18 (re-recordings of Kamasutra and Kamasutra/Overture # 8 respectively), edits of which were included on the unreleased Man'O'War (Remix) NPG Records Sampler in 2000, in the same timeframe as the initial Love4oneanother.com post about the compilation.

It is likely, however, that the compilation was never fully compiled, and remained more of an idea than a fully executed project.

What would you include on a greatest hits compilation of Madhouse if you were configuring it?

[Edited 10/8/16 3:32am]

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Reply #1 posted 10/08/16 2:12am

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Surprised if he wasn't joking. A greatest hits, from the band with only 2 albums and no hits lol

If he was, I would have filled it up with the mixes and unreleased tracks.

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Reply #2 posted 10/08/16 2:14am

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I love Madhouse, but what a ridiculous idea. The running time of 8 and 16 combined comes to 76 minutes, which would fit nicely on a CD. Job done, but a guaranteed flop.

I assume the bootleg cover band he was referring to was probably just poking fun at the Eric, Levi, Michael and Sonny incarnation.

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Reply #3 posted 10/08/16 3:44am

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I think if you include the unreleased Madhouse stuff and Eric Leed's solo stuff, you'd have a pretty solid compilation.

1. One
2. Four
3. Six (End of The World Mix)
4. Six and 1/2

5. Andorra
6. Three

7. 19 (Jailbait)
8. Ten
9. Thirteen (Paisley Park Mix)
10. Once Upon A Time
11. 21 (Dopamine Rush)

12. 22 (Amsterdam)

13. 23 (Spainish Eros)
14. 24 (Orgasm)

15. Lines
16. Eleven

17. Thirteen
18. Eight

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Reply #4 posted 10/08/16 4:11am

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bluegangsta said:

I think if you include the unreleased Madhouse stuff and Eric Leed's solo stuff, you'd have a pretty solid compilation.

1. One
2. Four
3. Six (End of The World Mix)
4. Six and 1/2

5. Andorra
6. Three

7. 19 (Jailbait)
8. Ten
9. Thirteen (Paisley Park Mix)
10. Once Upon A Time
11. 21 (Dopamine Rush)

12. 22 (Amsterdam)

13. 23 (Spainish Eros)
14. 24 (Orgasm)

15. Lines
16. Eleven

17. Thirteen
18. Eight


Well, that's an interesting spin on the definition of a greatest hits compilation, but it looks interesting. I'll put it together to see how it flows.

I actually can't remember the last time I listened to Eric's solo work. I do remember being disappointed with Times Squared and never really bothering to revisit it. Perhaps it's time to dust it off.

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Reply #5 posted 10/08/16 4:26am

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airth said:

bluegangsta said:

I think if you include the unreleased Madhouse stuff and Eric Leed's solo stuff, you'd have a pretty solid compilation.

1. One
2. Four
3. Six (End of The World Mix)
4. Six and 1/2

5. Andorra
6. Three

7. 19 (Jailbait)
8. Ten
9. Thirteen (Paisley Park Mix)
10. Once Upon A Time
11. 21 (Dopamine Rush)

12. 22 (Amsterdam)

13. 23 (Spainish Eros)
14. 24 (Orgasm)

15. Lines
16. Eleven

17. Thirteen
18. Eight


Well, that's an interesting spin on the definition of a greatest hits compilation, but it looks interesting. I'll put it together to see how it flows.

I actually can't remember the last time I listened to Eric's solo work. I do remember being disappointed with Times Squared and never really bothering to revisit it. Perhaps it's time to dust it off.

I can't say I've been dissapointed with his solo work, but having been in his presence a few times this week has really made me appreciate him even more so!

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Reply #6 posted 10/08/16 4:34am

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airth said:

I love Madhouse, but what a ridiculous idea. The running time of 8 and 16 combined comes to 76 minutes, which would fit nicely on a CD. Job done, but a guaranteed flop.

I assume the bootleg cover band he was referring to was probably just poking fun at the Eric, Levi, Michael and Sonny incarnation.

It's this act, actually...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad%27House

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Reply #7 posted 10/08/16 6:05am

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jjam said:

airth said:

I love Madhouse, but what a ridiculous idea. The running time of 8 and 16 combined comes to 76 minutes, which would fit nicely on a CD. Job done, but a guaranteed flop.

I assume the bootleg cover band he was referring to was probably just poking fun at the Eric, Levi, Michael and Sonny incarnation.

It's this act, actually...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad%27House


Great. Now I'm listening to Mad'House's cover of Like A Prayer on YouTube, which apparently got to number 1 in Germany and The Netherlands. Good lord. I can see why Prince might have been miffed.

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Reply #8 posted 10/08/16 6:13am

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bluegangsta said:

I can't say I've been dissapointed with his solo work, but having been in his presence a few times this week has really made me appreciate him even more so!



Ah, I've just seen your thread about FDeluxe in Melbourne. Lucky you.

I don't think we can overestimate what Eric brought to Prince's work. They were made for each other. I really need to spend some serious time with his solo work.

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Reply #9 posted 10/08/16 6:47am

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airth said:



bluegangsta said:


I can't say I've been dissapointed with his solo work, but having been in his presence a few times this week has really made me appreciate him even more so!





Ah, I've just seen your thread about FDeluxe in Melbourne. Lucky you.

I don't think we can overestimate what Eric brought to Prince's work. They were made for each other. I really need to spend some serious time with his solo work.


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I liked Times Squared since it was released. Has a taste of the Madhouse vibe throughout. I liked Things Left Unsaid less, but this thread makes me want to revisit it. I hadn't even heard of his 2000 album Now and Again until looking up his discography today.
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The Madhouse rehearsals and extended versions bootleg that surfaced a few years ago is great. Madhouse is definitely one of the most satisfying of Prince's side projects. They're pretty timeless, especially 8 and 16 (the albums).

A greatest hits collection would have been nice to have, for sure. But it would have been much more of a "best of" collection than a greatest hits compilation.
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Reply #10 posted 10/08/16 8:45am

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airth said:



bluegangsta said:


I think if you include the unreleased Madhouse stuff and Eric Leed's solo stuff, you'd have a pretty solid compilation.

1. One
2. Four
3. Six (End of The World Mix)
4. Six and 1/2


5. Andorra
6. Three


7. 19 (Jailbait)
8. Ten
9. Thirteen (Paisley Park Mix)
10. Once Upon A Time
11. 21 (Dopamine Rush)


12. 22 (Amsterdam)


13. 23 (Spainish Eros)
14. 24 (Orgasm)


15. Lines
16. Eleven


17. Thirteen
18. Eight




Well, that's an interesting spin on the definition of a greatest hits compilation, but it looks interesting. I'll put it together to see how it flows.

I actually can't remember the last time I listened to Eric's solo work. I do remember being disappointed with Times Squared and never really bothering to revisit it. Perhaps it's time to dust it off.



Prince couldn't put out 24 so Times Squared basically became of it
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paisleypark4 said:

airth said:


Well, that's an interesting spin on the definition of a greatest hits compilation, but it looks interesting. I'll put it together to see how it flows.

I actually can't remember the last time I listened to Eric's solo work. I do remember being disappointed with Times Squared and never really bothering to revisit it. Perhaps it's time to dust it off.

Prince couldn't put out 24 so Times Squared basically became of it

Wouldn't, not couldn't.

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In 1994, Prince intended to rerelease both 8 and 16, as well as to release the 1993 version of 24, thru Edel in Europe. Everything got scrapped when Prince, for some unknown reason, decided not to make NPG Records a proper successor label to Paisley Park, and to use it only for himself instead.

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Reply #13 posted 10/12/16 11:42am

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databank said:

In 1994, Prince intended to rerelease both 8 and 16, as well as to release the 1993 version of 24, thru Edel in Europe. Everything got scrapped when Prince, for some unknown reason, decided not to make NPG Records a proper successor label to Paisley Park, and to use it only for himself instead.


Probably because he realised he didn't own them, WB did.

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SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

In 1994, Prince intended to rerelease both 8 and 16, as well as to release the 1993 version of 24, thru Edel in Europe. Everything got scrapped when Prince, for some unknown reason, decided not to make NPG Records a proper successor label to Paisley Park, and to use it only for himself instead.


Probably because he realised he didn't own them, WB did.

No they didn't. The rights to nearly all Paisley Park albums reverted to Prince when WB shut down the label in 1994, it was a contractual clause. That's how Edel was able to rerelease The Voice and Smell My Finger in 95. Several PP albums were planned for rerelease with Edel in 94, as well as some new albums, then P shut down the whole operation without explaination. Edel decided to go forward with limited releases of Jacob Armen and the Mayte singles, so Edel execs could own valuable collectibles to sell at a later date, but those releases were never approved by Prince.

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databank said:

SquirrelMeat said:


Probably because he realised he didn't own them, WB did.

No they didn't. The rights to nearly all Paisley Park albums reverted to Prince when WB shut down the label in 1994, it was a contractual clause. That's how Edel was able to rerelease The Voice and Smell My Finger in 95. Several PP albums were planned for rerelease with Edel in 94, as well as some new albums, then P shut down the whole operation without explaination. Edel decided to go forward with limited releases of Jacob Armen and the Mayte singles, so Edel execs could own valuable collectibles to sell at a later date, but those releases were never approved by Prince.


I know the common consensus is that he owned the PP masters, but I'm not convinced.

Firstly, it would seem pretty poor business for WB to fund and part own a label, but not keep at least part control of the masters.

Secondly, something made Prince pull back on plans to put them out under Eden. My guess is the legal issue came up.

Lastly, I'm not convinced that Prince was not involved in the Armen / Mayte singles. He was exploring everything he could get away with. For a start, they were on sale in is own shop.

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SquirrelMeat said:

databank said:

No they didn't. The rights to nearly all Paisley Park albums reverted to Prince when WB shut down the label in 1994, it was a contractual clause. That's how Edel was able to rerelease The Voice and Smell My Finger in 95. Several PP albums were planned for rerelease with Edel in 94, as well as some new albums, then P shut down the whole operation without explaination. Edel decided to go forward with limited releases of Jacob Armen and the Mayte singles, so Edel execs could own valuable collectibles to sell at a later date, but those releases were never approved by Prince.


I know the common consensus is that he owned the PP masters, but I'm not convinced.

Firstly, it would seem pretty poor business for WB to fund and part own a label, but not keep at least part control of the masters.

Secondly, something made Prince pull back on plans to put them out under Eden. My guess is the legal issue came up.

Lastly, I'm not convinced that Prince was not involved in the Armen / Mayte singles. He was exploring everything he could get away with. For a start, they were on sale in is own shop.

Firstly, it's not "the common consensus", it's something that no one ever even considered until Alan Leeds, who used to run the label, revealed it on the very Org in 2011. Alan can be accused of not knowing about everything and I agree, but if anyone should know this, it's him.

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Secondly, something made Prince pull out any plan of making NPG Records a proper label. Look at 1-800 New-Funk in 94, it's a sampler promising many new releases on NPGR. Then, pfff... nothing! He could have signed new acts, but NPG eventually turned out releasing only Prince record, plus the occasional side-project (more Prince records). Nothing like Paisley Park, which released records Prince had little, sometimes nothing at all, to do with. Moreover, I do not believe the rereleases of The Voice by edel in Europe and Attic in Canada, and Smell My Finger by Edel in Europe carry any (p) mention of the masters belonging to WB, or of the records being licenced from WB. That alone is proof in itself I guess.

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Lastly, I have to say I usually trust you 2 know your shit, I mean I know u do, so if u say Drum Fever and the Mayte singles were for sale on Prince's NPG Stores, or on his catalogues at the time, I'll take ur word for it. The statement regarding all of this comes from someone who claimed to be a former Edel executive, it was originally posted on a discussion on some "usenet" type of group (early internet, back when T was posting) then pasted here on the Org a few years back. I saw no reason to doubt this person's legitimacy from those posts, which were pretty specific and went a lot into details. Another source claimed that the leaks we have from both early configs of Exodus and 24, as well as some other remixes from those days IIRC, had been sold to bootlleggers by Edel execs who'd received them from Prince for potential release, which makes the whole thing quite consistant. That person from Edel (or supposedly so) claimed exactly what I told you about Drum Fever, with a lot of details, and more vaguely mentioned the same had happened with "the Mayte singles". Which ones exactly? IDK. There were 3 singles from Child Of The Sun. TMBBITW dates from July 1994 so it's unlikely Edel would have risked antagonizing Prince at that time. IILU2N is from November 1995 so it's an option, but the fact that it entered the UK charts seems to indicate it was a widespread release, and makes it unlikely either. What we are left with is the Brick House promo from 1996, released in Germany only. It seems very possible that Prince didn't approve of that, and that'd be consistant with that guy's statement (i.e. print a very limited release to have collectibles for the execs to sale later) so it is conceivable that the guy got mixed-up and actually implied there were several Mayte single when it was, in fact, one. Now the question remains: if Drum Fever was really sold by Prince's outlets, then the guy was blatantly lying (or not who he claimed to be). It's that same person who provided a list of PP albums that were to be rereleased by Edel before P pulled out the plug. So I'm asking u: r u 100% sure about Drum Fever or is this a vague recollection?

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Reply #17 posted 10/15/16 12:28pm

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I've never heard a madhouse song...are they all instrumentals? If not who sings vocals ? What kind of music is it? If its jazz I'll have to pass
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dance4me3121 said:

I've never heard a madhouse song...are they all instrumentals? If not who sings vocals ? What kind of music is it? If its jazz I'll have to pass

Seriously?

https://www.google.com/search?q=madhouse+prince+wax+poetics&oq=madhouse+prince&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59l2j0l2.5983j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=madhouse+prince

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_(band)

https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Madhouse

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Reply #19 posted 10/15/16 1:29pm

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dance4me3121 said:


I've never heard a madhouse song...are they all instrumentals? If not who sings vocals ? What kind of music is it? If its jazz I'll have to pass

Seriously?


https://www.google.com/search?q=madhouse+prince+wax+poetics&oq=madhouse+prince&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59l2j0l2.5983j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=madhouse+prince


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_(band)


https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Madhouse


Instrumental jazz funk? No thanks .I'm sure its good music though
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dance4me3121 said:

databank said:

Seriously?

https://www.google.com/search?q=madhouse+prince+wax+poetics&oq=madhouse+prince&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59l2j0l2.5983j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=madhouse+prince

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_(band)

https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Madhouse

Instrumental jazz funk? No thanks .I'm sure its good music though

Your reasoning beats me. First and foremost it's Prince music. Very typical Prince music, mind you. Either u like Prince's music passionately or you don't. If you do, you're being senseless not to give Madhouse a try. If you don't, then why did u open an account on a Prince fans board?

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dance4me3121 said:


databank said:


Seriously?


https://www.google.com/search?q=madhouse+prince+wax+poetics&oq=madhouse+prince&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j69i57j69i59l2j0l2.5983j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=madhouse+prince


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhouse_(band)


https://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=Madhouse



Instrumental jazz funk? No thanks .I'm sure its good music though

Your reasoning beats me. First and foremost it's Prince music. Very typical Prince music, mind you. Either u like Prince's music passionately or you don't. If you do, you're being senseless not to give Madhouse a try. If you don't, then why did u open an account on a Prince fans board?


I'm a huge prince fan.I have all his albums but i just don't care for instrumental jazz stuff he did like "Junk Music" . I'm not one for instrumentals either.
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Reply #22 posted 10/15/16 7:18pm

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dance4me3121 said:

databank said:

Your reasoning beats me. First and foremost it's Prince music. Very typical Prince music, mind you. Either u like Prince's music passionately or you don't. If you do, you're being senseless not to give Madhouse a try. If you don't, then why did u open an account on a Prince fans board?

I'm a huge prince fan.I have all his albums but i just don't care for instrumental jazz stuff he did like "Junk Music" . I'm not one for instrumentals either.

The Madhouse stuff is not like The Flesh, it's very different.

Also, it's rather sad that you dismiss instrumentals or jazz/ funk entirely. You're really limiting your musical pallet by doing that.

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