Is there anything more that can be catered to for each individual's own personal preferences?

Stop making it about you, you, you all.

No one is comfortable, nor pain free, nor accustomed to any traumatic loss.

For those who can gain any connection at PP or anywhere, move forward and lead the way!

Yes, wallowing (especially together) is Much easier, but will make us very ill, so let's not when possible!

jdcxc said:

The most important part of this article is the lack of musicology in the museum. I could care less about memorabilia and videos we have all seen a million times. Where is the scholarly dissection of his art, the historical anaylsis and interesting tidbits that are not part of the public record? I want a true Behind the Scenes of his creative process, not a look at velour couches, painted symbols or ping pong tables. It is troubling that the tour guide didn't know who Sheila E. was, let alone her connection to Prince's love of Carlos Santana. They rushed this. It appears to be all cosmetic.

There are four musicological dissertations written on Prince's music. Your local librarian should be able to assist you in finding copies.

There are several musicologists who are interested to hear how the Vault is being handled from the perspective of assessing the condition of the physical media and cataloging for future scholarly/historical purposes (not just purposes of estimating the value of the estate).

I doubt that you'd get a better idea of Prince's creative process from music scholars (musicologists, music theorists or ethnomusicologists) than you would from those who were in the studio with him - engineers, producers and musicians alike.

Noodled24 said:

I'm guessing these people haven't read the business plan. It does include using PP in the future as a recording studio on a limited basis. I'm curious, after the 90s how frequently was PP used as a recording studio outside of Prince's own music and protégés like Judith Hill? For as much as some complain about PP being opened too soon there seem to be a lot of rushing to judgements/assumptions. We need Prince back for a minute to tell everyone to just chill.

LittleProfessor said:

Huh? Are you referring to what is displayed in the Museum?

And who cares about his remains? His true "remains" are his musical legacy. People should be more concerned about the Vault!

Travel the world and you will find many historical figures laid to rest in places where tourists can pay their respects. The tomb of Frederick the Great is in Potsdam Germany, on the grounds of a palace he built outside of Berlin. You can freely walk the palace grounds and see his grave and the graves of his 11 beloved dogs, rather than his wife (he was gay). People pay their respects to the "potato king" by leaving potatoes on his grave.

I guess my point is that Paisley Park was Prince's palace. Some might feel putting his remains on display in a 'museum' is beyond the pale. I would agree Paisley Park is now more mausoleum than museum. But in reality, there is an ancient world tradition of putting somebody to rest and on display, with touches that may seem 'unfitting' to some. But who are we to judge? Prince isn't suffering lack of respect. Most people are cremated and that's that. He's finally at rest and accessible to the world in a setting that reflects his tremendous talent and embraces his unconventional ways.

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rogifan said:

Noodled24 said:

- One of the comments left on the article.

http://blog.thecurrent.org/2016/10/inside-paisley-park-what-do-visitors-see/

I'm guessing these people haven't read the business plan. It does include using PP in the future as a recording studio on a limited basis. I'm curious, after the 90s how frequently was PP used as a recording studio outside of Prince's own music and protégés like Judith Hill? For as much as some complain about PP being opened too soon there seem to be a lot of rushing to judgements/assumptions. We need Prince back for a minute to tell everyone to just chill.

Here is Paisley Park Business Plan for anyone who is interested

http://prince.org/msg/7/432687

edited to redirect link

[Edited 10/7/16 18:40pm]

StopIt said:

Is there anything more that can be catered to for each individual's own personal preferences?

Stop making it about you, you, you all.

No one is comfortable, nor pain free, nor accustomed to any traumatic loss.

For those who can gain any connection at PP or anywhere, move forward and lead the way!

Yes, wallowing (especially together) is Much easier, but will make us very ill, so let's not when possible!

I don't think people are wallowing, it's more a case that having Prince's ashes on display as part of the PP tour does not feel right to allot of people, allot of people don't care and see it as an opportunity to pay their respects, each to their own.

For me, Prince's death was sad, I went to allot of gigs and had some great times, I have the memories, but Prince was not a relative or friend, I did not know him (I did meet him for a few moments in 88), so for me I have not grieved like I would a friend or relative, it is a different type of loss, more like a closure of opportunity for those times again, so I would not call that wallowing.

[Edited 10/8/16 4:20am]

rogifan said:

Noodled24 said:

- One of the comments left on the article.

http://blog.thecurrent.org/2016/10/inside-paisley-park-what-do-visitors-see/

I'm guessing these people haven't read the business plan. It does include using PP in the future as a recording studio on a limited basis.

Yeah... it's just how would that work? If I want to record there for 3 months, and I can pay... they're going to shut down the tours and refund people?

It can't really function as a recording studio if tourists are wandering about. I suspect it means future Prince releases will be mixed at Paisley Park, and they'll probably sell copies of live performances.

I'm curious, after the 90s how frequently was PP used as a recording studio outside of Prince's own music and protégés like Judith Hill? For as much as some complain about PP being opened too soon there seem to be a lot of rushing to judgements/assumptions. We need Prince back for a minute to tell everyone to just chill.

Not much. But thats not the point.

Some fans feel his legacy would be better served if Paisley Park became a legendary and much sought after recording studio a la Abby Road. As a museum it's just not sustainable.

i agree that PP should be open for creative business asap but that is not likely to happen as long as graceland runs it. it appears that, having signed a 4yr deal(IIRC), bremer and McM want to milk the cow well after the estate is settled. but then again, if it takes too much longer to get it sorted we'll know they aare definately in cahoots to get allthe money they can before handing over to the family. kind of like eating the heart out of a watermelon and leaving the rind for everyone else.

or maybe i'm just being a downer today.

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can we please get clear on a couple of things:

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prince's family have little or no say in what's happening because until the estate is settled they are not "in proprietary posession" so to speak of any of his stuff, all of it belongs to the state and bremer trust. THEY are the ones that made the decision to go all Graceland. the family may have had some input but they don't have the final say in anything- bremer trust and their appointees, McM and Koppleman do.

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and YES this is all about money and paying prince's tax bill!! it isn't tyka's or her family's greed that set this in motion. no will and a massive tax bill did.

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not sure why it's on my head today, but it is. everything about his "legacy" and tributes et al will be about money until the bills are paid and it won't be tyka's fault.

Noodled24 said:

Hmm...I'm not convinced that a recording studio would be any more sustainable than a museum. If it was it would be a recording studio right now. Anyway from everything we know it was Prince himself who planned for it to become a museum.

wavesofbliss said:

Just an FYI, Londell McMillan is only involved with the estate in a limited capacity and is not involved with turning PP into a museum. According to the Star Tribune he's only on retainer until November unless Bremer decides to keep him on longer. McMillan and Koppleman are only involved with the music side, i.e., the tribute concert and the vault. The person managing PP right now says the ticket and merchandise sales are all going towards keeping PP operational as its very expensive to maintain. I know some want to believe it's all a bunch of suits pillaging PP for $$ but the facts indicate otherwise.

rogifan said:

wavesofbliss said:

i agree that PP should be open for creative business asap but that is not likely to happen as long as graceland runs it. it appears that, having signed a 4yr deal(IIRC), bremer and McM want to milk the cow well after the estate is settled. but then again, if it takes too much longer to get it sorted we'll know they aare definately in cahoots to get allthe money they can before handing over to the family. kind of like eating the heart out of a watermelon and leaving the rind for everyone else.

or maybe i'm just being a downer today.

--

can we please get clear on a couple of things:

-

prince's family have little or no say in what's happening because until the estate is settled they are not "in proprietary posession" so to speak of any of his stuff, all of it belongs to the state and bremer trust. THEY are the ones that made the decision to go all Graceland. the family may have had some input but they don't have the final say in anything- bremer trust and their appointees, McM and Koppleman do.

--

and YES this is all about money and paying prince's tax bill!! it isn't tyka's or her family's greed that set this in motion. no will and a massive tax bill did.

--

not sure why it's on my head today, but it is. everything about his "legacy" and tributes et al will be about money until the bills are .

Just an FYI, Londell McMillan is only involved with the estate in a limited capacity and is not involved with turning PP into a museum. According to the Star Tribune he's only on retainer until November unless Bremer decides to keep him on longer. McMillan and Koppleman are only involved with the music side, i.e., the tribute concert and the vault. The person managing PP right now says the ticket and merchandise sales are all going towards keeping PP operational as its very expensive to maintain. I know some want to believe it's all a bunch of suits pillaging PP for $$ but the facts indicate otherwise.

graceland inc is a bunch of pirates suits as far as i'm concerned but i hear what you're saying.

rogifan said:

Noodled24 said:

Not much. But thats not the point.

Some fans feel his legacy would be better served if Paisley Park became a legendary and much sought after recording studio a la Abby Road. As a museum it's just not sustainable.

Hmm...I'm not convinced that a recording studio would be any more sustainable than a museum. If it was it would be a recording studio right now. Anyway from everything we know it was Prince himself who planned for it to become a museum.

Prince was the musicians musician. It's one of the few places in the world where you could record an album, shoot a video, rehearse a tour & throw open the doors for live performances. All under one roof. As a recording studio it's a viable business. As Prince's recording studio they could charge a premium.

Prince wasn't a huge seller. But Graceland seem to be under the impression Paisley Park will get more visitors than Prince sold albums... which is just insane. If PP was located in New York, or around LA I could see it. But in MPLS?

If Prince planned to turn it into a museum when did he apply to have PP re-zoned? He didn't. In fact Prince took zero steps with regard to turning PP into a publicly accessible tourist attraction. He made zero alterations to PP with regard to opening it to the public. The emails (which haven't been released) could date back to a previous "Celebration" or could have come from an upcoming planned celebration. He certainly wasn't going to record there with rabbid fans wandering about.

The idea that he "left" plans for PP but nothing for the music (which he managed with an iron fist) is preposterous.

jdcxc said:

The most important part of this article is the lack of musicology in the museum. I could care less about memorabilia and videos we have all seen a million times. Where is the scholarly dissection of his art, the historical anaylsis and interesting tidbits that are not part of the public record? I want a true Behind the Scenes of his creative process, not a look at velour couches, painted symbols or ping pong tables. It is troubling that the tour guide didn't know who Sheila E. was, let alone her connection to Prince's love of Carlos Santana. They rushed this. It appears to be all cosmetic.

Exactly! I couldn't agree with you more.

He lived for the music. Everything else was just window dressing. Sad to say though, it's the dressing that pulls in the visitors.

Noodled24 said:

Several people have said he was working on turning Paisley into a museum. Both Dr. Funkenberry and Anil Dash have said so. Though Funkenberry said some of the stuff Prince was working on wasn't ready yet. Perhaps that's why he hadn't applied for re-zoning yet. I believe Sheila E. also mentioned his desire for it to be a museum. The person from Graceland now running PP thanked Kirk Johnson and Trevor Guy for their involvement. I'm just going to take a wild guess that they know more than anyone else what his plans were. This guy also implied Prince left detailed instructions; in fact he said all the 'theme' rooms were designed based on messages/e-mails and texts from Prince. There's no possible way they could have got this up and running as fast as they did if he hadn't already been starting the process.

As far as location, if people won't come because it's not in NY or LA then why would they come if it was a recording studio? Graceland isn't in NY or LA but some how they do 600,000 visitors a year. I'm not saying PP will do that but I remember people saying the Mall of America would never succeed because it's in Bloomington Minnesota. Look how that turned out.

rogifan said:

Noodled24 said:

Several people have said he was working on turning Paisley into a museum. Both Dr. Funkenberry and Anil Dash have said so. Though Funkenberry said some of the stuff Prince was working on wasn't ready yet. Perhaps that's why he hadn't applied for re-zoning yet. I believe Sheila E. also mentioned his desire for it to be a museum. The person from Graceland now running PP thanked Kirk Johnson and Trevor Guy for their involvement. I'm just going to take a wild guess that they know more than anyone else what his plans were. This guy also implied Prince left detailed instructions; in fact he said all the 'theme' rooms were designed based on messages/e-mails and texts from Prince.

Yeah, I get all of that. But do you believe Prince was going to continue recording there while groups of fans wandered in and out of rooms in 10 minute intervals?

There's no possible way they could have got this up and running as fast as they did if he hadn't already been starting the process.

Maybe

As far as location, if people won't come because it's not in NY or LA then why would they come if it was a recording studio?

Graceland isn't in NY or LA but some how they do 600,000 visitors a year. I'm not saying PP will do that but I remember people saying the Mall of America would never succeed because it's in Bloomington Minnesota. Look how that turned out.

I hope it goes well. But Elvis pretty much defined mainstream. Prince was a niche artist. His albums weren't selling 600,000 copies.

Visiting the Graceland website I see pictures from a recent "elvis lookalike" competition... is that where Paisley Park is heading? The Graceland route only has one outcome, hotels, resturants, bars, retail... it's a matter of time before his private residence is opened to the public, because in year two when visitor numbers drop, you need a new attraction. Just look at what Graceland is.

I get that they need the money. But there is no end to the amount of things you can put a on and sell. If they can sell merchandise at PP then they can sell it online too.

I don't see Paisley Park having the long term appeal of a Graceland, it will sustain for a year or two while the fans visit, but once they have visited it will quieten down, Minneapolis isn't on a tourist route etc, so there will not be that much passing trade, whereas if it ws LA or NY yoiu might be able to attract visiting tourists, like the celebirty museums in Las Vegas do.

Elvis was integral to American mainstream music history at it's height, as a main stream atrist with huge record sales, Prince was a niche artist, apart from a few years in the 80's when he broke through to the mainstream but never maintained the commercial sales, he split allot of opinions with his presentation, his biggest hits were 30 years ago.

This is not a judgement of his Prince's music, he was a music great, probably the greatest of his generation and far more talentaed than Elvis IMO, but it's a case of mainstream interest/attraction which will keep Paisley Park alive as museum beyond the first few years.