i've been thinking about this all night what seems most 'logical' to me at the moment is
that he probably took pain meds for his hips/joints. when docs told him it was taking a toll
on his body (esp the liver) he weighed his options and had some form of surgery (hence a
scar on his leg per the autopsy). surgery probably didn't help (enough) and so he had to
either continue taking pain meds or even take more. meanwhile the liver can't process the
meds anymore and gets damaged even more.
what might have happened then is that he got sick, went to see someone and they told
him his liver was so beat up at that point that he needed to stop pain meds immediately
and maybe even have to go on a list for a transplant.
knowing what we (think) we know, prince would not have gone for such invasive surgery
and thus either tried to find alternative ways to relieve his pain, which didn't help, and in
addition to his 'regular' constant pain for which he started taking meds, he now had this
additional discomfort/pain from developing/worsening liver issues.
which also makes it a whole lot easier to od by accident because an ill functioning liver is
not able to filter and process all those chemicals anymore.
so he might have known he had little time, and accepted it, rather than go for surgery.
which is why he may have been preparing things like the book, doing that farewell tour
(and apparently planning a paisley park residency after that, where he didn't have to go
travelling around the world but could do shows once in a while at home, sitting at his
piano), reaching out to former associates and just in general making reparations and
preparations. like talking to people about making paisley park into a museum and there
must have been plans in his head for the vault and other stuff, like a will perhaps but if
he thought he had more time and things spiralled out of control very quickly after he had
the incident on the plane...
seems like he tried desperately to make sure people thought he was ok after that and we
read that he was up for like 4 days the last few days of his life. probably trying to finish
a lot of stuff in a mad dash to complete as much as what he wanted to, figuring his time
could be shorter than previously imagined.
so he's at home, ill, fatigued, working way too hard to get things done, sending everyone
away so there'd be no distractions or people telling him 'what to do', not eating enough,
probably not drinking enoug either (there were reports of dehydration a few times?) and
then after all that ruckus took another pill and it went horribly wrong.
remains the question why was this pill so strong and laced with something so heavy?
was he aware they were that heavy and was his pain so bad at that point, where he'd
take the risk, thinking it would be ok, but his liver just couldn't handle it? or did someone
get him something that they shouldn't have and nobody knew exactly what was in that
pill?
to me that seems like what might have happened but the story might be something else
completely.
just saying, you don't have to be so sick you can't function before you die from a terminal
condition. especially in those cases it might be very hard to estimate how much time you
have left. my godmother was terminal, they told her she had roughly a year left. then all
of a sudden after new tests they told her six months. i went to visit her with my dad and
she seemed 'fine', looked ok, we talked, we laughed, and then we went home. three hours
later my dad calls me and tells me she's gone.
ugh, i should not get myself worked up like this. it's just ranting and trying to work out
what would 'fit' as a scenario. but what's the point. we won't know until the family or a
very close friend speaks out on it. i just hope he didn't have any pain in those last few
moments and was in an ok state of mind/peaceful.

IstenSzek said:

i've been thinking about this all night what seems most 'logical' to me at the moment is
that he probably took pain meds for his hips/joints. when docs told him it was taking a toll
on his body (esp the liver) he weighed his options and had some form of surgery (hence a
scar on his leg per the autopsy). surgery probably didn't help (enough) and so he had to
either continue taking pain meds or even take more. meanwhile the liver can't process the
meds anymore and gets damaged even more.
what might have happened then is that he got sick, went to see someone and they told
him his liver was so beat up at that point that he needed to stop pain meds immediately
and maybe even have to go on a list for a transplant.
knowing what we (think) we know, prince would not have gone for such invasive surgery
and thus either tried to find alternative ways to relieve his pain, which didn't help, and in
addition to his 'regular' constant pain for which he started taking meds, he now had this
additional discomfort/pain from developing/worsening liver issues.
which also makes it a whole lot easier to od by accident because an ill functioning liver is
not able to filter and process all those chemicals anymore.
so he might have known he had little time, and accepted it, rather than go for surgery.
which is why he may have been preparing things like the book, doing that farewell tour
(and apparently planning a paisley park residency after that, where he didn't have to go
travelling around the world but could do shows once in a while at home, sitting at his
piano), reaching out to former associates and just in general making reparations and
preparations. like talking to people about making paisley park into a museum and there
must have been plans in his head for the vault and other stuff, like a will perhaps but if
he thought he had more time and things spiralled out of control very quickly after he had
the incident on the plane...
seems like he tried desperately to make sure people thought he was ok after that and we
read that he was up for like 4 days the last few days of his life. probably trying to finish
a lot of stuff in a mad dash to complete as much as what he wanted to, figuring his time
could be shorter than previously imagined.
so he's at home, ill, fatigued, working way too hard to get things done, sending everyone
away so there'd be no distractions or people telling him 'what to do', not eating enough,
probably not drinking enoug either (there were reports of dehydration a few times?) and
then after all that ruckus took another pill and it went horribly wrong.
remains the question why was this pill so strong and laced with something so heavy?
was he aware they were that heavy and was his pain so bad at that point, where he'd
take the risk, thinking it would be ok, but his liver just couldn't handle it? or did someone
get him something that they shouldn't have and nobody knew exactly what was in that
pill?
to me that seems like what might have happened but the story might be something else
completely.
just saying, you don't have to be so sick you can't function before you die from a terminal
condition. especially in those cases it might be very hard to estimate how much time you
have left. my godmother was terminal, they told her she had roughly a year left. then all
of a sudden after new tests they told her six months. i went to visit her with my dad and
she seemed 'fine', looked ok, we talked, we laughed, and then we went home. three hours
later my dad calls me and tells me she's gone.
ugh, i should not get myself worked up like this. it's just ranting and trying to work out
what would 'fit' as a scenario. but what's the point. we won't know until the family or a
very close friend speaks out on it. i just hope he didn't have any pain in those last few
moments and was in an ok state of mind/peaceful.

Co-sign--" i just hope he didn't have any pain in those last few
moments and was in an ok state of mind/peaceful."

IstenSzek said:

jcurley said:

Furthermore to all this what was Tyka thinking. I think she just meant prince believed his job was dine n that's when god takes you. I think he's wrong but I suspect that's his spiritual take. However if she had any brain she should have realised that such a broad statement without clarity would open a can of worms. This issue had been laid to rest in the main. She has done prince n his legacy no favours. This will just be a distraction from the greatness he brought. It doesn't bode well that such a stupid person has such say in prince's legacy

So it is better for his legacy for people to think he was a drug addict

If you want to think dope was his only problem knock your self out. I honestly if someone dropped his medical file on your head you would not believe what was in it. Oh a few years ago in Seattle they wanted to name a street after Hendrix and people bitched because they said he was just a junky. In D.C they wanted to save Marvin Gaye's old house from being torn down and people said who cares he was just a junky. Stop being so naive.

disch said:

Can someone please give an example of these horrible "rockstar junkies" who are apparently despised the world over and Prince was NOTHING like? Is Jimi Hendrix one? Janis Joplin? Jim Morrison? Who exactly? Because those people I listed all ODed and decades later are pretty much seen as legends and their music is classic. Do some prince fans really think so little of his musical output that they think his death or some story in the national enquirer or something will negate his entire 38-year career in the publics eye? rogifan said:

The people that believe that wouldn't believe anything his family said anyway. Anyone who is a fan or has an ounce of compassion doesn't believe he was a rockstar junkie.

laurarichardson said:

Once again myth becomes reality.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

donnyenglish said:

rogifan said:

"...I watched several local newscasts this morning and none of them talked about these comments from Tyka but they all did mention that PP was opening today. Not much, if any, local media coverage of these comments (so far)..."

Don't hold your breath waiting for any real journalists to pick up this "I knew it two years ago" hack job, rogifan my friend.

C'mon. We're talking about Entertainment Tonight for christ's sake. It's prime time entertainment. Not news. It's the television equivalent of The National Enquirer.

In their next textbook example of yellow journalism, ET bait the hook with the click-worthy promise of news that a will was discovered...

Prince's Sister Tyka Nelson Gives Update on Late Singer's Will

"...“I think we're now finally on the last leg,” Nelson told ET's Kevin Frazier, when asked about Prince's will. The singer's estate is currently being managed by a trust company appointed by the court, after it was revealed that Prince did not have a will..."

They reel you in with a misleading title that seems to say — "So, Prince left a will after all!".

But once they've sucked you in, the only thing they have to say about a will, is — "it was revealed that Prince did not have a will".

bigtimefan's suggestion that the younger sister's "...two years ago..." comment having possibly been edited to increase ET's ratings — {aka, a "hack job"} — jibes perfectly with ET's modus operandi.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

NinaB said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said: Yeah, funny how we got so called insiders saying only 2 of the family are communicating without lawyers

True...truth is the only things we know is that he was sick, in pain and taking pills and died. Nothing else. I said he looked different since 2013 or 14 and caught hell for it but I was right

First, you're a thread derailer. And to address your specific point, no you weren't right. I saw him 4 times in 2014. Every time, he looked absolutely fine for a 55 yr old, a lot healthier than most people that age.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

NinaB said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said: Try again, I edited

Oh ok...thanks. Well she looked nice...I find what she said about the siblings interesting though.

SNIP -OF4S

fortuneandserendipity said:

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

NinaB said:

"...DiamondsnPearls44 said: Yeah, funny how we got so called insiders saying only 2 of the family are communicating without lawyers ..."

"...True...truth is the only things we know is that he was sick, in pain and taking pills and died. Nothing else. I said he looked different since 2013 or 14 and caught hell for it but I was right ..."

"...First, you're a thread derailer. And to address your specific point, no you weren't right. I saw him 4 times in 2014. Every time, he looked absolutely fine for a 55 yr old, a lot healthier than most people that age..."

Hey fortuneandserendipity! Nice to see ya :¬)

ladygirl99 said:

Superfan1984 said:

Prince was in control of EVERYTHING. I believe (and looks like Tyka pretty much confirmed it) that if he were terminally ill (and beyond her confirming it, just LOOK at pictures from the year before his death) I believe if he was dying, he would do it ON PRINCE's TERMS. Not with hospice workers around his bedside, not in a hospital, but on his own terms. Maybe suicide, maybe just (as someone said) --speeding up the process. But all of these cryptic things (go back to the Strange Symmetries around his death thread) cannot be ignored. The third eye opening on his Twitter account just before he died? Princestegram final post completing the Prince symbol? The memoir coming out? The Piano and a Microphone farewell tour? He knew. And he said he would celebrate the day he died. So, he must not have been scared. He probably just did not want to suffer. Unfortunatley, God has figured out everything else in the world but he dropped the ball (imo) when it comes to how we have to leave this world. And for those of you thinking I am being rude to say he might have killed himself with pills-- Have you ever seen someone suffer a painful end? I would rather jump off a building.

Yup. I watched all of this shit real time over the last six months of his life. Yeah it could be confusing to a fan who just became a fan after his death or pretty much became a casual fan and didn't always follow Prince until after his death. I feel thankful I finally got back to focus on Prince late last year after several years became disinterest in him during his final years.

And dont forget 'Wait a few days before you waste any prayers'. I and a few others were lambasted when we suspected he meant he was ready to go and also he was ready to move on when he said at one of his final concerts He lost faith in this planet and wish people would have gotten along or something like that.

He knew. I am also suspecting he tried to end his life on that airplane wanted to die in the sky because he was closer to heaven in the clouds. But what he didn't expected was that emergency landing. I believed he waited for a few more days (interviews from Judith Hill, the bodyguard, and the cook all said he sent them home the same week he died) and distract his concern associates and the public saying he was okay and then he tried again and he succeed.

I've thought this a genuine possibility too, but then you have to factor in Judith Hill was the only person in his company at that time. (Kirk Johnson was actually at the front of the plane with the pilot, if that indeed was reported right). Which would mean JH, assuming she watches Prince actually die in front of her eyes, would require a lifetime of therapy to deal with the grief and guilt feelings, that she inevitably would oscillate between.

It's funny but how would be planning a suicide with a counterfeit pill?

What killed him was Fentanyl in a counterfeit vicodin tablet . He didn't put the Fentanyl in the tablet.

SNIP -OF4S

phatphuk said:

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

disch said:

"...the only people focusing on his drug overdose are us Seriously, if focusing on his death instead of his cultural legacy is a big concern for you, you (and the rest of us) should not be posting on and on and on in a thread specifically about his death, because this exact discussion will come up in search results etc. all over the internet and add fuel to the "overdose fixation" fire..."

muleFunk said:

"...Instead of moarning the death one of the greatest musicians in human history we instead focus on a drug overdose.
The Overdose discrediting his legacy.
The reason why this memo is important is because it is known as the Prevent the Rise of the Black Messiah Memo released one month before the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. This is done to any black leader capable of a mass following..."

"...I will not post anymore on here..."

"...Going try to kick it cold turkey, huh? Good luck with that..."

"...It's funny but how would be planning a suicide with a counterfeit pill?...

...What killed him was Fentanyl in a counterfeit vicodin tablet . He didn't put the Fentanyl in the tablet..."

Can't shake that Jones, huh buddy?

;¬)

[Edited 10/6/16 7:04am]

phatphuk said:

phatphuk said:

"...It's funny but how would be planning a suicide with a counterfeit pill?...

"...What killed him was Fentanyl in a counterfeit vicodin tablet . He didn't put the Fentanyl in the tablet..."

Can't shake that Jones, huh buddy?

;¬)

On that THREAD.

[Edited 10/6/16 7:07am]

A better question is why are you saving deleted threads?

Jrt said:

Gutted about this Tyka interviews. Glad you lot give me some comfort.

Anyways; the image someone posted made me think about the Amsterdam show I went to in May 2014. Video is unlisten, but check this out: https://youtu.be/pe8P0ONRpEw?t=3m30s

"If you come to my house, I need you to take care of it. Alright?"

He must have known

Thank you for this. It made me cry so hard but I needed to cry for awhile now.

SNIP -OF4S

Something isn't right here and we all know it.

Addiction aside, Tyka knew for 2 years that he was dying?.. he left instructions on what he wanted done with PP... but didn't leave a will? It just doesn't add up. Not for a control freak like Prince. He managed his music with an iron fist.

slowlywiltingflower said:

NinaB said:

Noodled24 said:

Something isn't right here and we all know it.

Addiction aside, Tyka knew for 2 years that he was dying?.. he left instructions on what he wanted done with PP... but didn't leave a will? It just doesn't add up. Not for a control freak like Prince. He managed his music with an iron fist.

Nothing makes sense, it just leaves people with more questions now about what really happened.

sunmooonandstars said:

My heart is broken again. I wish Tyka never said what she said. Now I feel I will never get over this

Personally I am happy she said what she said on ET because it is help making the fans getting closer to learn the truth.

CandaceS said:

ladygirl99 said:

And dont forget 'Wait a few days before you waste any prayers'.

Everyone is WAY overthinking that statement.

He was referring to Duran Duran dedicating a performance of "Save a Prayer" to Prince. They did that during an April 15 concert, after the incident with the aircraft emergency landing, etc.

https://youtu.be/EbpiYn_CEPE

But we still can't ruled out that he didnt also gave some telepathic hints he wasn't going to be around much longer either. Unless you actually talk to him and asked more why he said 'Wait a few days.."you are just speeculating too. Only Prince could answer that and I am afraid he can't for obivious reason.

I have an investigative mind reading too much of those damn Nancy Drew novels over the years.

Don't get frustrated at me for questioning things. I wouldn't be posting as much if the family would have been more upfront about what happen.

MIRvmn said:

Noodled24 said:

Something isn't right here and we all know it.

Addiction aside, Tyka knew for 2 years that he was dying?.. he left instructions on what he wanted done with PP... but didn't leave a will? It just doesn't add up. Not for a control freak like Prince. He managed his music with an iron fist.

Nothing makes sense, it just leaves people with more questions now about what really happened.

Didn't Omar, his half brother, gave hints in that Rolling Stone magazine indicate (but it was less obivious) Prince's time was up but was careful not to say?

They had been dropping hints too (Sheila E, Morris Day, the cook, now recently Omar and Tyka) and Prince's last six months of his life actions indicate Prince knew his time was going to be up?

ladygirl99 said:

sunmooonandstars said:

My heart is broken again. I wish Tyka never said what she said. Now I feel I will never get over this

Personally I am happy she said what she said on ET because it is help making the fans getting closer to learn the truth.

I'm glad she did as well. It confirmed some of what I was feeling. There was a count down, and we had no idea . Better to know now than get up there (Mpls) and be smacked with the reality.

If it turns out that Prince did OD on purpose then I totally understand because it just another case of death with dignity. I am an atheist myself and yeah I was stunned and shock at first and it was hard for me to accept before I came terms to it and that goes for just about all of us regardless whether you believe or don't as I am trying to avoid making into a deep religious discussion. Yeah it can be harder for his religious fans to accept because this is the same man that constantly preached about his love for God and constantly talk about the bible and my sympathy goes out.

But at the end of the day, Prince was only human and I felt he did all he could to stick around. So please keep that in mind.