fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

You need to knock off. Not one single person has said he was "snappy or impatient of late" The chef said he was not as chatty or chipper and asked for soups or smoothies because he said he had stomach problems.

KJ does not own a jet. The jet is owned by a Lifetime fitness Gym that KJ actually works for in Minneapolis.

People have stories of Prince being snappy with musicians and about music issues back to the time he was a teenager. I guess he was using pain pills back then as well.

You're wrong. I distinctly remember reading those words attributed to a close associate. That's not to say the source was named or that it was corroborated by another source. But since when have you personally ever given a shit about confirmed reports?!? when you take everything written on P in the media as gospel.

So KJ hired a jet, didn't own it. What difference does that make? KJ was Prince's closest friend and the plane was always at disposal.

About P being snappy 'going back decades', I'm well aware of that bc I actually read the biographies. But it doesn't alter what was reported, and that if he was generally snappy or impatient with someone or some people, that would imply a change in character. Or does that not satisfy your binary, absolutist way of thinking?

"But since when have you personally ever given a shit about confirmed reports?!? when you take everything written on P in the media as gospel."

I give a shit about people in the media that actually know him and have put their names behind what they are saying You are going off of an un named source so who is not giving a shit?

I have not heard not one person who knew him who wanted to be named say his mood was different in fact you would have expected after six months lots of people would have said something by this time.

We just are not getting any stories about him going the hell off on people. Even Judith said he was very calm in the hosptial in Moline not being demanding or difficult contrary to what TMZ said about his time at that hospital.

You believe a fitness training owns a lear jet speaks volumes about your knowledge.

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laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You're wrong. I distinctly remember reading those words attributed to a close associate. That's not to say the source was named or that it was corroborated by another source. But since when have you personally ever given a shit about confirmed reports?!? when you take everything written on P in the media as gospel.

So KJ hired a jet, didn't own it. What difference does that make? KJ was Prince's closest friend and the plane was always at disposal.

About P being snappy 'going back decades', I'm well aware of that bc I actually read the biographies. But it doesn't alter what was reported, and that if he was generally snappy or impatient with someone or some people, that would imply a change in character. Or does that not satisfy your binary, absolutist way of thinking?

"But since when have you personally ever given a shit about confirmed reports?!? when you take everything written on P in the media as gospel."

I give a shit about people in the media that actually know him and have put their names behind what they are saying You are going off of an un named source so who is not giving a shit?

I have not heard not one person who knew him who wanted to be named say his mood was different in fact you would have expected after six months lots of people would have said something by this time.

We just are not getting any stories about him going the hell off on people. Even Judith said he was very calm in the hosptial in Moline not being demanding or difficult contrary to what TMZ said about his time at that hospital.

You believe a fitness training owns a lear jet speaks volumes about your knowledge.

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You've spent the whole of the last few months going off uncorroborated reports, taking everything as kosher. Apart from TMZ, which you seem to think are as unreliable as the national enquirer, which clearly they're not.

Not many people would want to be named saying something negative about him, I would imagine.

I didn't know he did own a jet. Did I say he did? I said KJ's jet. I'm sorry for my lazy english. I'm also sorry if it appears I claim to know everything about Kirk Johnson. Maybe you're the expert and you can tell us how much he's worth? It seems as tho you're pot-stirring as usual.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

"But since when have you personally ever given a shit about confirmed reports?!? when you take everything written on P in the media as gospel."

I give a shit about people in the media that actually know him and have put their names behind what they are saying You are going off of an un named source so who is not giving a shit?

I have not heard not one person who knew him who wanted to be named say his mood was different in fact you would have expected after six months lots of people would have said something by this time.

We just are not getting any stories about him going the hell off on people. Even Judith said he was very calm in the hosptial in Moline not being demanding or difficult contrary to what TMZ said about his time at that hospital.

You believe a fitness training owns a lear jet speaks volumes about your knowledge.

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You've spent the whole of the last few months going off uncorroborated reports, taking everything as kosher. Apart from TMZ, which you seem to think are as unreliable as the national enquirer, which clearly they're not.

Not many people would want to be named saying something negative about him, I would imagine.

I didn't know he did own a jet. Did I say he did? I said KJ's jet. I'm sorry for my lazy english. I'm also sorry if it appears I claim to know everything about Kirk Johnson. Maybe you're the expert and you can tell us how much he's worth? It seems as tho you're pot-stirring as usual.

I said from the very begining that I believed he had other health issues based on his going back an forth to see Dr. S who is not even a addictions/ pain mgmt doctor. I got the information about Dr.S from the same sources as everyone else including the unsealed search warrant.

Now some of the things I said are starting to look like they may be true because I used common fucking sense to come up with my theories which are just that theories.

You actually are questioning the medical knowledge of a professional ME because you think you know better than they do and that people who want to kill themselves put their clothes on backward and jump in elavators.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

You've spent the whole of the last few months going off uncorroborated reports, taking everything as kosher. Apart from TMZ, which you seem to think are as unreliable as the national enquirer, which clearly they're not.

Not many people would want to be named saying something negative about him, I would imagine.

I didn't know he did own a jet. Did I say he did? I said KJ's jet. I'm sorry for my lazy english. I'm also sorry if it appears I claim to know everything about Kirk Johnson. Maybe you're the expert and you can tell us how much he's worth? It seems as tho you're pot-stirring as usual.

I said from the very begining that I believed he had other health issues based on his going back an forth to see Dr. S who is not even a addictions/ pain mgmt doctor. I got the information about Dr.S from the same sources as everyone else including the unsealed search warrant.

Now some of the things I said are starting to look like they may be true because I used common fucking sense to come up with my theories which are just that theories.

You actually are questioning the medical knowledge of a professional ME because you think you know better than they do and that people who want to kill themselves put their clothes on backward and jump in elavators.

Well, as an example of two reports that came out but which can't both be true. One early source saying P had 2 rx prescriptions, and then a second source saying he hadn't had any prescription drug in his name for the past 12 months. They can't both be right.

I'm saying the professional ME has given a misleading impression from the 2 sources we know about. 'Accidental OD on fentanyl'- taken literally- means P self-administered fentanyl only, but unknowingly took too much. Which is not what happened, and I don't believe there was even one mention of pills from the official declarations.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

I said from the very begining that I believed he had other health issues based on his going back an forth to see Dr. S who is not even a addictions/ pain mgmt doctor. I got the information about Dr.S from the same sources as everyone else including the unsealed search warrant.

Now some of the things I said are starting to look like they may be true because I used common fucking sense to come up with my theories which are just that theories.

You actually are questioning the medical knowledge of a professional ME because you think you know better than they do and that people who want to kill themselves put their clothes on backward and jump in elavators.

Well, as an example of two reports that came out but which can't both be true. One early source saying P had 2 rx prescriptions, and then a second source saying he hadn't had any prescription drug in his name for the past 12 months. They can't both be right.

I'm saying the professional ME has given a misleading impression from the 2 sources we know about. 'Accidental OD on fentanyl'- taken literally- means P self-administered fentanyl only, but unknowingly took too much. Which is not what happened, and I don't believe there was even one mention of pills from the official declarations.

I think it was said that there were no prescriptions for 'classified' drugs, as opposed to any prescriptions whatsoever.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

I said from the very begining that I believed he had other health issues based on his going back an forth to see Dr. S who is not even a addictions/ pain mgmt doctor. I got the information about Dr.S from the same sources as everyone else including the unsealed search warrant.

Now some of the things I said are starting to look like they may be true because I used common fucking sense to come up with my theories which are just that theories.

You actually are questioning the medical knowledge of a professional ME because you think you know better than they do and that people who want to kill themselves put their clothes on backward and jump in elavators.

Well, as an example of two reports that came out but which can't both be true. One early source saying P had 2 rx prescriptions, and then a second source saying he hadn't had any prescription drug in his name for the past 12 months. They can't both be right.

I'm saying the professional ME has given a misleading impression from the 2 sources we know about. 'Accidental OD on fentanyl'- taken literally- means P self-administered fentanyl only, but unknowingly took too much. Which is not what happened, and I don't believe there was even one mention of pills from the official declarations.

No it was said that Dr. S did not write any pain Rx's for Prince but he did write two other Rxs ( I think we were to assume that these were not controlled substances or just something other then pain meds ) this has been confusing but reports later said he had no Rx's for controlled substances in Minneasota for the last year.

What about Rx's for meds that are not controlled? Like the two Dr S wrote. What about what Rxs he had in past years? What about Rxs he got in other states or in other countires.

In many countries you can buy pain meds right in drugs stores that are illegal to have without an Rx in the states.

The police really don't care about his legal Rx's or what other medical issues he had. They are looking for whoever or wherever he got the Fentanyl from and are not going to be forthcoming on any other details.

Lot's of confusion because of tabloids and unamed sources. I believe the ME is basing her conclusion off the fact that previous test did not show Fentanyl in his system and that the pills he took were mislabled. Trust me they tore that place up looking for actual Fentanyl labled pills or bottles and they have gone and looked at all of his medical records. They believe he took the drugs unaided and unknowingly that is the reason they are labling it accidental.

Most people don't throw on their clothes and run in an eleavtor if they want to kill themselves. He did not leave a note and did not exhibit sucidicdal tenedencies or ideas. I am sure they spoke with dozens of people that interacted with him and looked at his plans for the next days and weeks.

Did you know he was supposed to me with Harry Belefonte later in the week? He had plans to do things most of which appear to be putting affairs in order type activities.

Dibblekins said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Well, as an example of two reports that came out but which can't both be true. One early source saying P had 2 rx prescriptions, and then a second source saying he hadn't had any prescription drug in his name for the past 12 months. They can't both be right.

I'm saying the professional ME has given a misleading impression from the 2 sources we know about. 'Accidental OD on fentanyl'- taken literally- means P self-administered fentanyl only, but unknowingly took too much. Which is not what happened, and I don't believe there was even one mention of pills from the official declarations.

I think it was said that there were no prescriptions for 'classified' drugs, as opposed to any prescriptions whatsoever.

Yes, we still don't know what he was going into Walgreens for over a year to pick up. Obviously he had no fear or concern as he went in a picked up some Rx himself.

Sinnick said:

I'll post this here as well since it didn't get a lot of replies in the other thread...

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

You need to get home & auto insurance when you buy a house & car so he probably had that. Insurance companies usually attempt to get you to purchase life insurance along with the others & make the process relatively painless. In most people eyes, putting together a will is a lot more burdensome than obtaining life insurance. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if some of his contracts with record labels (especially WB) & concert promotion companies required that he be insured. Thus, I can see him having that.

If the cryptic statements aren't an attempt to avoid losing insurance money, then my guess is they're attempting to protect his legacy & estate (they could be concerned about all three). IMO, this would mean Prince really did have AIDS (I still think it was something else) or his drug problem was A LOT worse than his fans think. I can't see how any other logical explanation as to how Prince went from A to Z would mess up a criminal investigation or damage his legacy.

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i really don't think it would be relevant in Prince's case because he had plenty of dough but maybe. anyway, i've brought up bruce lee's death several times since prince's death for a couple reasons, they are both kinda mysterious and out of the blue and in bruce's case, coroners/medical people out and out lied about the cause of death and the main reason was that bruce's family could not have collected life insurance had it been stated that he really died from an allergic reaction to nepalese hashish so they lied and said it was due to a pill he took for a headache. This was revealed when two doctors who'd saved Bruce's life (barely) a few weeks before he died (kinda like Prince's close call) and they told bruce that he could die if he ate the hashish again. anyway, bruce's family wasn't that rich at the time of bruce's death, no one knew how much money his legacy would generate in the future and so his wife and two children would need the payout, the coroner fudged the report in saying bruce died from the equagesic pill instead of the marijuana and the Hong Kong establishment was just fine with that because they didn't see any reason to encourage the millions of fans who looked up to him to try what was then an illegal narcotic there. Anyway, i bring this up anytime people pull the "they are experts" card, maybe they are but they are still human and just like humans everywhere, they have their failings.

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem is, the one fact we do know for sure (fentanyl toxicity) doesn't square with all the preponderant evidence pertinent to the surrounding circumstances. By which I mean the numerous accounts pertaining to other substances, themselves potently toxic.

The death certificate is misleading and asks more questions than it answers. You simply can't rule out suicide. You yourself said that it made no sense, that P's death was bizarre as his life was bizarre. In other words, there's a lot we don't know. But to me, the situation taken as a whole seems to point to suicide.

I agree with suicide! Prince was very smart!!!! He made it look like it was not a suicide.

cloveringold85 said:

Superconductor said:

fortuneandserendipity said: The autopsy report is not misleading. It is an official document. The med examiner doesn't lie. There are several boxes to tick such as natural cause, accident, suicide, homicide, The accident box is ticked. The police commissioner also said suicide is ruled out, as is foul play. Yes it makes no sense, his life and death were bizarre but that doesn't mean suicide. Yes there is a lot we don't know but it doesn't matter. Prince died from accidental OD. Accident means he didn't know, which means he didn't suicide. Suicide means intent, there is no intent in an accident, that is why it is an accident.

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Superconductor: I respectfully must disagree with your comment. The "Autopsy Report" is indeed "misleading". Why, you say? Because it was not a "full" autopsy report, NOR was it an "official" autopsy report. The autopsy report that was made public was the "short version"--for media release only. Also, Minnesota law grants an autopsy report to remain "private".

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Furthermore, in regard to the medical examiner, you said they don't "lie". Yes, they "can" and "will" lie, if asked to for a large sum of money. I don't want to get into conspiracies here, but the person who performed Prince's autopsy has done extensive research in "Fentanyl" (which our government has used as chemical warfare as the Russians have as well). I won't go any futher about this topic, so you will have to conduct your own research. And, what you will find is quite alarming.

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orgnot me please with info on the coroner, i'll look into it.

Misty48 said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

The problem is, the one fact we do know for sure (fentanyl toxicity) doesn't square with all the preponderant evidence pertinent to the surrounding circumstances. By which I mean the numerous accounts pertaining to other substances, themselves potently toxic.

The death certificate is misleading and asks more questions than it answers. You simply can't rule out suicide. You yourself said that it made no sense, that P's death was bizarre as his life was bizarre. In other words, there's a lot we don't know. But to me, the situation taken as a whole seems to point to suicide.

I agree with suicide! Prince was very smart!!!! He made it look like it was not a suicide.

i'm not saying it was or it wasn't but for people to say that the experts would know, Prince was an expert himself, an expert at manipulation, he'd been doing it for decades. If he so wished to, he could pull it off that way. I vascillate all over the place, which is why I wish we had real answers.

laurarichardson said:

Dibblekins said:

I think it was said that there were no prescriptions for 'classified' drugs, as opposed to any prescriptions whatsoever.

Yes, we still don't know what he was going into Walgreens for over a year to pick up. Obviously he had no fear or concern as he went in a picked up some Rx himself.

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Yea, and I think P was picking up his own prescriptions because he could no longer trust a "certain someone" in his circle. Apollonia even said "P let someone in that he shouldn't have." Not exactly sure what she meant.

PeteSilas said:

Sinnick said:

I'll post this here as well since it didn't get a lot of replies in the other thread...

I don't know if this has ever been brought up in these death threads, but has anyone considered that the reason we keep getting vague statements regarding Prince's death may be due to Prince taking out a life insurance policy & his camp wanting to ensure the insurance company pays out. Any additional info may give the company enough cause to contest dispersing the funds (as they can argue Prince committed suicide) even if his manner of death really was accidental.

Does anyone know if life insurance companies require you to provide them with a full autopsy report or if the summarized version suffices?

You need to get home & auto insurance when you buy a house & car so he probably had that. Insurance companies usually attempt to get you to purchase life insurance along with the others & make the process relatively painless. In most people eyes, putting together a will is a lot more burdensome than obtaining life insurance. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me if some of his contracts with record labels (especially WB) & concert promotion companies required that he be insured. Thus, I can see him having that.

If the cryptic statements aren't an attempt to avoid losing insurance money, then my guess is they're attempting to protect his legacy & estate (they could be concerned about all three). IMO, this would mean Prince really did have AIDS (I still think it was something else) or his drug problem was A LOT worse than his fans think. I can't see how any other logical explanation as to how Prince went from A to Z would mess up a criminal investigation or damage his legacy.

[Edited 10/9/16 7:53am]

i really don't think it would be relevant in Prince's case because he had plenty of dough but maybe. anyway, i've brought up bruce lee's death several times since prince's death for a couple reasons, they are both kinda mysterious and out of the blue and in bruce's case, coroners/medical people out and out lied about the cause of death and the main reason was that bruce's family could not have collected life insurance had it been stated that he really died from an allergic reaction to nepalese hashish so they lied and said it was due to a pill he took for a headache. This was revealed when two doctors who'd saved Bruce's life (barely) a few weeks before he died (kinda like Prince's close call) and they told bruce that he could die if he ate the hashish again. anyway, bruce's family wasn't that rich at the time of bruce's death, no one knew how much money his legacy would generate in the future and so his wife and two children would need the payout, the coroner fudged the report in saying bruce died from the equagesic pill instead of the marijuana and the Hong Kong establishment was just fine with that because they didn't see any reason to encourage the millions of fans who looked up to him to try what was then an illegal narcotic there. Anyway, i bring this up anytime people pull the "they are experts" card, maybe they are but they are still human and just like humans everywhere, they have their failings.

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Pete: You made a very good point. I also believe that in some "high profile" cases, people will corroborate a story (cover up) medical findings. In Prince's case, I think they agreed to use the term "Self-Administered" Fentanyl Overdose, so that everyone (suspects) are off the hook.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Superconductor: I respectfully must disagree with your comment. The "Autopsy Report" is indeed "misleading". Why, you say? Because it was not a "full" autopsy report, NOR was it an "official" autopsy report. The autopsy report that was made public was the "short version"--for media release only. Also, Minnesota law grants an autopsy report to remain "private".

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Furthermore, in regard to the medical examiner, you said they don't "lie". Yes, they "can" and "will" lie, if asked to for a large sum of money. I don't want to get into conspiracies here, but the person who performed Prince's autopsy has done extensive research in "Fentanyl" (which our government has used as chemical warfare as the Russians have as well). I won't go any futher about this topic, so you will have to conduct your own research. And, what you will find is quite alarming.

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orgnot me please with info on the coroner, i'll look into it.

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Dr. A. Quinn Strobl performed Prince's autopsy. I came across this article a while back, and what I read really shocked and sickened me. This person writes about "Black Assasination" and did extensive research so, he knows what he is talking about. I don't want to get attacked for mentioning "conspiracies" on here, but it's a known fact that "Fentanyl" has been used in chemical warfare since WWII.

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Here is the link, but I will Orgnote you as well just for FYI.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/06/06/prince-fentanyl-mossad-9-11/

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Mind Control Black Assassins dot com


Ok, i'm out. So very out

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

orgnot me please with info on the coroner, i'll look into it.

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Dr. A. Quinn Strobl performed Prince's autopsy. I came across this article a while back, and what I read really shocked and sickened me. This person writes about "Black Assasination" and did extensive research so, he knows what he is talking about. I don't want to get attacked for mentioning "conspiracies" on here, but it's a known fact that "Fentanyl" has been used in chemical warfare since WWII.

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Here is the link, but I will Orgnote you as well just for FYI.

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https://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2016/06/06/prince-fentanyl-mossad-9-11/

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thank you, i'll check it out

damn that is kinda creepy and coincidental that she's an expert on fentanyl.

PeteSilas said:

damn that is kinda creepy and coincidental that she's an expert on fentanyl.

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Uh-huh.....VERY creepy!! There are several interesting articles on that site that go into great detail about the government's use of "Fentanyl".

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I'm just sharing the information with whomever's interested. It's very "deep" stuff, and it's very "real".

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I do apologize -- I know this should probably be on the "conspiracies" thread.

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cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

damn that is kinda creepy and coincidental that she's an expert on fentanyl.

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Uh-huh.....VERY creepy!! There are several interesting articles on that site that go into great detail about the government's use of "Fentanyl".

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I'm just sharing the information with whomever's interested. It's very "deep" stuff, and it's very "real".

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i can see it's real, the actual peer reviews are online in real journals. I'll look into it more.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Uh-huh.....VERY creepy!! There are several interesting articles on that site that go into great detail about the government's use of "Fentanyl".

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I'm just sharing the information with whomever's interested. It's very "deep" stuff, and it's very "real".

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i can see it's real, the actual peer reviews are online in real journals. I'll look into it more.

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I actually saw this article a couple of month's ago, but did not want to share it here out of fear that I would be ripped to shreds!!

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I'm just a "realist", and I believe the truth is out there, to whom seeks it. There is so much cover-up and corruption going on in our country and the world. I mean, just look at this election!!

Why are some fans overlook the fact that Prince might suffer from depression? He said it himself too and I know this shit because I am close to it. And please Google and educate yourself more about depression for ones who are unfamilar with it and trust me you can't just snap out of it or think prayer is the only treatment.

And also New York Times magazine said Prince was depressed days before he died.

I prefer to hear this issue from people who actually suffer from depression and weigh in on this and because maybe Prince's statement of mind might connected to April 21 outcome. I also know it is taboo subject in the black community because we are suppose to be strong and depression means weakness. I am not saying it doesn't affect other comminities but studies show that black people has a higher rate of refused to seek treatment for mental health. Maybe Prince used music to cope his depression and he didn't received proper help for it because he also felt depression was for the weak.

Yes he suffered when Vanity and Kim Upsher died but he said out of his own mouth he suffered depression in his early career and also during Dirty Mind tour. That indicated there are some history. He might suffered more too that I am unaware of and people are welcome to add in other examples.

And also there are Prince books indicated he suffered depression when he was battling with Warner Bros in the mid-90s.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone85.html (he talked about his depression during Dirty Mind tour)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html (sources said Prince was depressed before he died).

It seems like people tend to discuss about his hip pain and epilopsy issues but very few talks about his mental health (like anxiety and likely depression). I think P might had been bipolar due to his mood swings and other symptoms his based on my interviews from people who actually worked for him and dated him. Like I said I may not be a psychiatrist but I am close to it.

IF those don't want to have a mature discussion about P's mental health then please bypass this post. Because his mental health shouldn't be ruled out either to the events of April 21.

Hey Mods if you check in you should seriously had a thread with title death investigation because some of this stuff tend to be uncomfortable to others so it gives people a thought before clicking in a thread.

ladygirl99 said:

Why are some fans overlook the fact that Prince might suffer from depression? He said it himself too and I know this shit because I am close to it. And please Google and educate yourself more about depression for ones who are unfamilar with it and trust me you can't just snap out of it or think prayer is the only treatment.

And also New York Times magazine said Prince was depressed days before he died.

I prefer to hear this issue from people who actually suffer from depression and weigh in on this and because maybe Prince's statement of mind might connected to April 21 outcome. I also know it is taboo subject in the black community because we are suppose to be strong and depression means weakness. I am not saying it doesn't affect other comminities but studies show that black people has a higher rate of refused to seek treatment for mental health. Maybe Prince used music to cope his depression and he didn't received proper help for it because he also felt depression was for the weak.

Yes he suffered when Vanity and Kim Upsher died but he said out of his own mouth he suffered depression in his early career and also during Dirty Mind tour. That indicated there are some history. He might suffered more too that I am unaware of and people are welcome to add in other examples.

And also there are Prince books indicated he suffered depression when he was battling with Warner Bros in the mid-90s.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone85.html (he talked about his depression during Dirty Mind tour)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html (sources said Prince was depressed before he died).

It seems like people tend to discuss about his hip pain and epilopsy issues but very few talks about his mental health (like anxiety and likely depression). I think P might had been bipolar due to his mood swings and other symptoms his based on my interviews from people who actually worked for him and dated him. Like I said I may not be a psychiatrist but I am close to it.

IF those don't want to have a mature discussion about P's mental health then please bypass this post. Because his mental health shouldn't be ruled out either to the events of April 21.

Hey Mods if you check in you should seriously had a thread with title death investigation because some of this stuff tend to be uncomfortable to others so it gives people a thought before clicking in a thread.

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I appreciate you bringing up the subject of "Depression". Someone else on this thread mentioned that perhaps some of the drugs Prince was taking could have contributed to "suicidal thoughts" (depression).

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I have never been diagnosed with "depression"; however, my Mother (who has since passed) was diagnosed with "Bi-Polar", so I have seen how it effects people. With "Bi-polar", as you may know, the person goes through "extreme highs" and "extreme lows".

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I do not rule out that Prince was struggling with depression. He was only human. He was a very private man, and he didn't like to discuss things like that, but I would hope if he was "clinically depressed", that he was seeking a medical professional (therapist) for help.

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As far as the news articles you mentioned about Prince's "depression"; I'm not sure where they got their stories from. Everytime the media says "annonymous" person talking about Prince.....you have to wonder....hmmm. Is their story even credible?

cloveringold85 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Why are some fans overlook the fact that Prince might suffer from depression? He said it himself too and I know this shit because I am close to it. And please Google and educate yourself more about depression for ones who are unfamilar with it and trust me you can't just snap out of it or think prayer is the only treatment.

And also New York Times magazine said Prince was depressed days before he died.

I prefer to hear this issue from people who actually suffer from depression and weigh in on this and because maybe Prince's statement of mind might connected to April 21 outcome. I also know it is taboo subject in the black community because we are suppose to be strong and depression means weakness. I am not saying it doesn't affect other comminities but studies show that black people has a higher rate of refused to seek treatment for mental health. Maybe Prince used music to cope his depression and he didn't received proper help for it because he also felt depression was for the weak.

Yes he suffered when Vanity and Kim Upsher died but he said out of his own mouth he suffered depression in his early career and also during Dirty Mind tour. That indicated there are some history. He might suffered more too that I am unaware of and people are welcome to add in other examples.

And also there are Prince books indicated he suffered depression when he was battling with Warner Bros in the mid-90s.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone85.html (he talked about his depression during Dirty Mind tour)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html (sources said Prince was depressed before he died).

It seems like people tend to discuss about his hip pain and epilopsy issues but very few talks about his mental health (like anxiety and likely depression). I think P might had been bipolar due to his mood swings and other symptoms his based on my interviews from people who actually worked for him and dated him. Like I said I may not be a psychiatrist but I am close to it.

IF those don't want to have a mature discussion about P's mental health then please bypass this post. Because his mental health shouldn't be ruled out either to the events of April 21.

Hey Mods if you check in you should seriously had a thread with title death investigation because some of this stuff tend to be uncomfortable to others so it gives people a thought before clicking in a thread.

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I appreciate you bringing up the subject of "Depression". Someone else on this thread mentioned that perhaps some of the drugs Prince was taking could have contributed to "suicidal thoughts" (depression).

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I have never been diagnosed with "depression"; however, my Mother (who has since passed) was diagnosed with "Bi-Polar", so I have seen how it effects people. With "Bi-polar", as you may know, the person goes through "extreme highs" and "extreme lows".

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I do not rule out that Prince was struggling with depression. He was only human. He was a very private man, and he didn't like to discuss things like that, but I would hope if he was "clinically depressed", that he was seeking a medical professional (therapist) for help.

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As far as the news articles you mentioned about Prince's "depression"; I'm not sure where they got their stories from. Everytime the media says "annonymous" person talking about Prince.....you have to wonder....hmmm. Is their story even credible?

But are you going to overlook another link its his 1985 Rolling Stone interview and I post where Prince said he suffered depression during Dirty Mind tour too? So apparently there are history there.

And I read this book Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks, and it mentioned about Prince's depression.

Sorry to hear about your mother.

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ladygirl99 said:

Why are some fans overlook the fact that Prince might suffer from depression? He said it himself too and I know this shit because I am close to it. And please Google and educate yourself more about depression for ones who are unfamilar with it and trust me you can't just snap out of it or think prayer is the only treatment.

And also New York Times magazine said Prince was depressed days before he died.

I prefer to hear this issue from people who actually suffer from depression and weigh in on this and because maybe Prince's statement of mind might connected to April 21 outcome. I also know it is taboo subject in the black community because we are suppose to be strong and depression means weakness. I am not saying it doesn't affect other comminities but studies show that black people has a higher rate of refused to seek treatment for mental health. Maybe Prince used music to cope his depression and he didn't received proper help for it because he also felt depression was for the weak.

Yes he suffered when Vanity and Kim Upsher died but he said out of his own mouth he suffered depression in his early career and also during Dirty Mind tour. That indicated there are some history. He might suffered more too that I am unaware of and people are welcome to add in other examples.

And also there are Prince books indicated he suffered depression when he was battling with Warner Bros in the mid-90s.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone85.html (he talked about his depression during Dirty Mind tour)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html (sources said Prince was depressed before he died).

It seems like people tend to discuss about his hip pain and epilopsy issues but very few talks about his mental health (like anxiety and likely depression). I think P might had been bipolar due to his mood swings and other symptoms his based on my interviews from people who actually worked for him and dated him. Like I said I may not be a psychiatrist but I am close to it.

IF those don't want to have a mature discussion about P's mental health then please bypass this post. Because his mental health shouldn't be ruled out either to the events of April 21.

Hey Mods if you check in you should seriously had a thread with title death investigation because some of this stuff tend to be uncomfortable to others so it gives people a thought before clicking in a thread.

I do think he may have been depressed. It's very likely. A light blub came up when Bruce Springteen shared on the today show on how he suffered from depression when he enter his 60's and how it did not affect his ability to do his music but at home if was a different story.

ladygirl99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I appreciate you bringing up the subject of "Depression". Someone else on this thread mentioned that perhaps some of the drugs Prince was taking could have contributed to "suicidal thoughts" (depression).

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I have never been diagnosed with "depression"; however, my Mother (who has since passed) was diagnosed with "Bi-Polar", so I have seen how it effects people. With "Bi-polar", as you may know, the person goes through "extreme highs" and "extreme lows".

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I do not rule out that Prince was struggling with depression. He was only human. He was a very private man, and he didn't like to discuss things like that, but I would hope if he was "clinically depressed", that he was seeking a medical professional (therapist) for help.

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As far as the news articles you mentioned about Prince's "depression"; I'm not sure where they got their stories from. Everytime the media says "annonymous" person talking about Prince.....you have to wonder....hmmm. Is their story even credible?

But are you going to overlook another link its his 1985 Rolling Stone interview and I post where Prince said he suffered depression during Dirty Mind tour too? So apparently there are history there.

And I read this book Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks, and it mentioned about Prince's depression.

Sorry to hear about your mother.

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I'm sorry. No, I did not overlook what you said. If it came from Prince's mouth, then I believe it. I wasn't discounting what you said. I apologize.

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I remember an interview I saw (can't remember the year), but Prince said "I don't cry." I really wonder if that was true, but he said it. I think it was the interview when he was talking about his "seizures" he would have as a child and he told his Mother that's he's not gonna have seizures anymore, because an Angel told him so. He said he hadn't cried since then. I was amazed at how open he was being, and I have such great respect for him for saying that.

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Thanks for the comment about my Mom, I appreciate that.

cloveringold85 said:

ladygirl99 said:

But are you going to overlook another link its his 1985 Rolling Stone interview and I post where Prince said he suffered depression during Dirty Mind tour too? So apparently there are history there.

And I read this book Prince: Inside the Music and the Masks, and it mentioned about Prince's depression.

Sorry to hear about your mother.

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I'm sorry. No, I did not overlook what you said. If it came from Prince's mouth, then I believe it. I wasn't discounting what you said. I apologize.

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I remember an interview I saw (can't remember the year), but Prince said "I don't cry." I really wonder if that was true, but he said it. I think it was the interview when he was talking about his "seizures" he would have as a child and he told his Mother that's he's not gonna have seizures anymore, because an Angel told him so. He said he hadn't cried since then. I was amazed at how open he was being, and I have such great respect for him for saying that.

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Thanks for the comment about my Mom, I appreciate that.

LOL but people did said he ran off the stage and got emotional at one of those Atlanta show.

Oh yeah New York Times isn't a rag and they are very creditable they also did Judith Hill's interview. Yeah I am saying people with depression also have higher rates of wishing they were elsewhere other than this planet and yeah I want to hear more information about P's state of mind during his final days but again I wouldnt totally dismiss New York Times.

No problem about your mother.

Purplestar88 said:

ladygirl99 said:

Why are some fans overlook the fact that Prince might suffer from depression? He said it himself too and I know this shit because I am close to it. And please Google and educate yourself more about depression for ones who are unfamilar with it and trust me you can't just snap out of it or think prayer is the only treatment.

And also New York Times magazine said Prince was depressed days before he died.

I prefer to hear this issue from people who actually suffer from depression and weigh in on this and because maybe Prince's statement of mind might connected to April 21 outcome. I also know it is taboo subject in the black community because we are suppose to be strong and depression means weakness. I am not saying it doesn't affect other comminities but studies show that black people has a higher rate of refused to seek treatment for mental health. Maybe Prince used music to cope his depression and he didn't received proper help for it because he also felt depression was for the weak.

Yes he suffered when Vanity and Kim Upsher died but he said out of his own mouth he suffered depression in his early career and also during Dirty Mind tour. That indicated there are some history. He might suffered more too that I am unaware of and people are welcome to add in other examples.

And also there are Prince books indicated he suffered depression when he was battling with Warner Bros in the mid-90s.

http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone85.html (he talked about his depression during Dirty Mind tour)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/arts/music/friends-sought-help-for-princes-addiction-lawyer-says.html (sources said Prince was depressed before he died).

It seems like people tend to discuss about his hip pain and epilopsy issues but very few talks about his mental health (like anxiety and likely depression). I think P might had been bipolar due to his mood swings and other symptoms his based on my interviews from people who actually worked for him and dated him. Like I said I may not be a psychiatrist but I am close to it.

IF those don't want to have a mature discussion about P's mental health then please bypass this post. Because his mental health shouldn't be ruled out either to the events of April 21.

Hey Mods if you check in you should seriously had a thread with title death investigation because some of this stuff tend to be uncomfortable to others so it gives people a thought before clicking in a thread.

I do think he may have been depressed. It's very likely. A light blub came up when Bruce Springteen shared on the today show on how he suffered from depression when he enter his 60's and how it did not affect his ability to do his music but at home if was a different story.

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Depression is very real and can be extremely debilitating to someone who does not seek help. We all get "sad" at times, as that is a normal part of life. When I lost my Mother, I became very "sad", but I was not diagnosed as being "depressed", because I was grieving the loss of my Mother. However; I will say that I'm not the same person I was before my Mother died, and probably never will be.

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It breaks my heart to think that Prince was "depressed". He definitely went through a lot in his short life. He suffered a lot of loss and setbacks, but he never stopped trying. I always admired his strength and courage.

ladygirl99 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I'm sorry. No, I did not overlook what you said. If it came from Prince's mouth, then I believe it. I wasn't discounting what you said. I apologize.

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I remember an interview I saw (can't remember the year), but Prince said "I don't cry." I really wonder if that was true, but he said it. I think it was the interview when he was talking about his "seizures" he would have as a child and he told his Mother that's he's not gonna have seizures anymore, because an Angel told him so. He said he hadn't cried since then. I was amazed at how open he was being, and I have such great respect for him for saying that.

.

Thanks for the comment about my Mom, I appreciate that.

LOL but people did said he ran off the stage and got emotional at one of those Atlanta show.

Oh yeah New York Times isn't a rag and they are very creditable they also did Judith Hill's interview. Yeah I am saying people with depression also have higher rates of wishing they were elsewhere other than this planet and yeah I want to hear more information about P's state of mind during his final days but again I wouldnt totally dismiss New York Times.

No problem about your mother.

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Yes, I read the story about how Prince got "emotional" in Atlanta. I wish I knew what he was thinking and going through. Maybe he was thinking of Vanity (Denise)? I know that was very tough on him. We saw Prince mature and evolve right before our eyes. I remember one time in an interview and he was asked "What do you want to be remembered for?", and he said: "That I was a nice person." I think he succeeded.

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No problem. Thank you.

IMO it's very likely Prince was depressed. And had been for some time.

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It's such a shame that depression is seen as "taboo" or something to be ashamed of. To me it should be as easy to talk about as any other illness like diabetes without fear of someone thinking you're "weak". But unfortunately it's not. And more so for men.

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My gut for a while, even prior to 4/21 was that he felt "done". And I get it. IMO if you are mentally "done" your body follows suit.

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He didn't have a family or someone in his life (apparently) that he was head over heels in love with. I think if he had someone or something wonderful that really excited him to look forward to things may have ended different. For example, I think of how excited he was in the Batman era. He still had much to prove and do and just seemed almost "electric".

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I'm just not sure he had anything left to do or experience that was enough.

bigtimefan said:

IMO it's very likely Prince was depressed. And had been for some time.

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It's such a shame that depression is seen as "taboo" or something to be ashamed of. To me it should be as easy to talk about as any other illness like diabetes without fear of someone thinking you're "weak". But unfortunately it's not. And more so for men.

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My gut for a while, even prior to 4/21 was that he felt "done". And I get it. IMO if you are mentally "done" your body follows suit.

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He didn't have a family or someone in his life (apparently) that he was head over heels in love with. I think if he had someone or something wonderful that really excited him to look forward to things may have ended different. For example, I think of how excited he was in the Batman era. He still had much to prove and do and just seemed almost "electric".

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I'm just not sure he had anything left to do or experience that was enough.

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I wish too that Prince had someone in his life who genuinely loved him and cared about him. Perhaps it would be a totally different outcome.

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He did tweet something after the plane incident and said "I don't believe in this world anymore" and something about "how many people can get along?"

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You would think that people who were closest to Prince would know something was wrong; but maybe he hid his "depression" so well?

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He had plans for the future, so I'm not sure he was "done".

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Something went terribly wrong on the evening of April 20th. You have to wonder if the meds screwed him up so much or that he was in so much physical pain that he just couldn't take living anymore". I hope to God that wasn't the case. I don't want to think that way, and I've never believed that he committed "suicide".

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