laurarichardson said:

Bluey said:

Since we have not been asked whether we want to be here or not, I think we should at least get to decide about our own fate so whatever Prince decided and did, it was his decision and no-one elses, no matter what others might think.

I wonder how close he really was with Tyka. I wouldn't be surprised if not as close as she wants people to think. If I died suddenly in such circumstances, I have no doubt in my mind that my closest relatives (like a sibling) would claim they were really close to me and basically knew what I was thinking etc. Which would not be true but how could I say it's not since I would be gone. They would also love to be in the public eye, no doubt.

She seems very sure of herself and a bit secretive. I can't really figure her out. With Prince I sort of did because I'm similarly "different" in a lot of ways. I won't go into it because who cares about me but he just seemed sensitive and sincere where as she is... An enigma. There's something evil in that look but I hope it's nothing. I hope this is not a case of less talented sibling riding the coat tails of the talented one. Forgive me if I'm reading too much into this.

It makes no sense to me why Prince didn't leave a will other than that artistic types like him don't feel like doing all the exhausting paperwork it requires. "I'll do it tomorrow..." No matter how ill you'd be, you always feel like postponing the things you don't really want to do.

---- You can tell if a person is evil from the T.V screen

Ok sorry, I'm not a native English speaker so perhaps that was a bad expression. I didn't mean "evil" in some sinister supernatural horror film sort of way, what I meant was she just looks like she has some hidden motives, like she's not all butterflies, roses and kind thoughts if that makes any sense.

LovePaisley said:

donnyenglish said:

He told all of us 2 years ago very clearly in Way Back Home. He told us again a year ago in June. It should not surprise us that he told those close to him the same thing. Somehow, this gives me some peace that he knew his fate and was preparing for it.
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Yeah, I heard that too, all over AOA.

Later, in Black Muse, I hear remission. But I guess it didn't last. Yes, it's just a guess, but...

oliviacamron said:

LovePaisley said:

Yeah, I heard that too, all over AOA.

Later, in Black Muse, I hear remission. But I guess it didn't last. Yes, it's just a guess, but...

DonnyEnglish, doesn't he say in June he never wanted to be the martyr ? The definition of martyr is someone who is killed for there beliefs

SNIP -OF4S

Do you really think that when a lot of people think "Prince," they think "hopeless and lazy dope fiend"? Not "Guy from Purple Rain" or "dude who sang Kiss" or even "weird character who turned into a symbol" -- let alone "incredibly prolific musician who created tons of songs I love and put on unforgettable live shows" -- but "hopeless and lazy dope fiend"? That his entire 38-year career would be completely negated in the public's eye by his final struggle with opioid dependency?

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Is "hopeless and lazy dope fiend" the first/only thing that comes to your mind when you think about about stars whose substance dependecies got the best of them -- Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Tim Buckley, Billie Holiday, etc, etc.. (hell, half those people I listed were inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame after their drug-related deaths -- pretty good for "hopeless and lazy dope fiends"!)

laurarichardson said:

said:

Don't be si fucking facetious. My point was nobody in the main gave a shit anymore n she's put it right back on the table. And to be fair a lot if people had empathy for what you're calling drug addiction because it was pain relief. Coz gobshite even if something else is exposed the fact still remains he was addicted to these meds. So that's not gonna go away regardless. So yeh if i had to choose yeh I would prefer that

--- Any given day you can Goggle Prince and find articles about him and drugs and I don't see empathy because that does get clicks. Those articles are not going away unless more information about his health becomes available. No idiot in the earth is going to see him as a hopeless and lazy dope fiend if they knew he was facing medical issues. In addition, if it is the truth what is wrong with putting it there?

[Snip - luv4u]

Another reason why the smart money is not buying into the "Prince new he was sick" misinterpretation...

By Jayme Deerwester , USA TODAY 3:30 p.m. EDT October 6, 2016

"...“I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming”...

...Though her choice of words may suggest that Nelson was aware of her brother's use of prescription painkillers, drugs never explicitly came up in the interview...

...Instead, her explanation for why she was prepared for his death was that Prince himself seemed to sense the end was near...

...“He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do,' I was crushed for about two years”..."

It astounds me how people misinterpret "I've done everything that I've come to do" to mean "I'm terminally ill".

"I've done everything that I've come to do" could also be interpreted to mean — "I've accepted that the well of brilliantly original musical ideas has finally run dry".

But hey! If imagining Prince's being terminally ill is what people need to believe to get themselves out of bed in the morning, far be it for me to begrudge them their own spin on the sister's cryptic riddle.

Superconductor said:

This dropping of mysterious hints style of communication has been going on all his life and now his close family and associates do that too. It's infuriating. Want to keep his privacy intact, fine no problem, but don't play games. Robin Williams, David Bowie etc kept their privacy and dignity and legacy and still fans and the world were simply told what happened. Why is that so hard?

This x 100.

awake4now said:

Reposting this from a thread that was locked:

Hi, I'm relatively new here as a member but have lurked for years. I'm posting on this topic b/c it really irks me. This interview puts me back at square one with the process of getting past this. In part b/c it just stirs up more sadness, but also b/c it makes my BS meter spike.

In this interview she says it wasn't hard to learn he died b/c she's known it was coming for two years. In the Today interview she says she's taking this the hardest.

As someone else asked in another thread, if he knew and was making plans, then where is the will? And why all the BS about having an investigation if this was all expected.

Sheila has made statements that he was struggling with pain management b/c of long term injuries. Others have corraborated this.

I just can't anymore with all the statements and contradictions, especially this newest one from Tyka.

As a fan I just feel thoroughly jerked around.

The estate and related parties want our support and our money. Okay, how about a little straightforward honesty. I just can't with this anymore.

... heading back into my bell jar. 'Night all.

K

Hey there awake4now and welcome! I agree with what you've said here and felt that BS aura around that interview. It was just all together odd with her comments and nonchalant way of addressing how she felt when she found out about Prince's passing. I'm not trying to be hard on Tyka, but her comments didn't translate well as many people on here are upset it would seem. I honestly did not think that they were close or that they talked that much. Does anyone know? I hear ya about feeling jerked around...just too many contradictions.

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antonb said:

Remix the vault music!!

they are going to "REMIX" the vault music? WTF, that would be a travesty! Nobody wants anyone elses input on anything Prince has in the vault, release it as is, it is the ONLY way to do it right.

TopazGirl said:

least87 said:

Purplebflogirl said: Broke my heart as well. For those who said that "Piano and a microphone" seemed like a farewell, it probably was. Tyka seemed so clear on the number of people who loved him and are still hurting. I think the trip to Paisley will be very emotional.

It wasn't no PROBABLY to it, it was!. That was his way of saying goodbye (tears).There was more to him having hip pain or jumping off pianos and and wearing high heels for years. Tyka just comfirmed what I and some of us orgers are accepting that some of you orger won't.

leadline said:

tmo1965 said:

endiadj said:

Cause he died of a fentanyl od with no prescription for it. Maybe he started taking it to ease the pain of something else, but it's still the official cause of his death.

Well, I wish they would come clean with whatever happened and stop making all of these cryptic statements. Anyway, if he was sick, why couldn't he get pain meds legally? If it were a simple case of Prince taking too many pills, I would think the case would be open and shut. None of this makes any sense.

If he had got them legally you could only get so much. Maybe his pain was so excruciating that getting them the illegal way he get as much as he needed and as strong. We don't know what we would do until we have to deal with that pain ourselves. I hated that he died from an overdose, but at the same time I didn't want him to suffer and die a slow painful death. I watched my loved one go through the same thing and if I had the choice I would want it to be quick and over with.

DiamondsnPearls44 said:

peppeken said:

cancer? and he didnt get treatment...just accepted it?

Im saying either Cancer or HIV...lets just put it out there folks

I'm thinking he might have tried treatment for a little while and it was probably making him weaker, fatigue and sicker.

phatphuk said:

Clearly held out as long as one could, and then went out on his own terms.

God gets it, no worries.

ladygirl99 said:

Superfan1984 said:

I agree with ladygirl99 --- I have thought from day one that he went out on his own terms. I've always felt he updated his Prince org profile and other loose ends, and took an overdose. That's my opinion anyway. I wish Tyka would just come out and say if something was wrong. I wish we knew the whole story.

Right. I believe Tyka still refused to say certain things due to stigma and to protect her brother.

sonshine said:

phatphuk said:

"...Another reason why the smart money is not buying into the “Prince new he was sick” misinterpretation..."

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By Jayme Deerwester , USA TODAY 3:30 p.m. EDT October 6, 2016

"...“I have been preparing for two years, so I knew that it was coming”...

...Though her choice of words may suggest that Nelson was aware of her brother's use of prescription painkillers, drugs never explicitly came up in the interview...

...Instead, her explanation for why she was prepared for his death was that Prince himself seemed to sense the end was near...

...“He said it a couple of years ago: 'I've done everything that I've come to do,' I was crushed for about two years”..."

---

"...It astounds me how people misinterpret “I've done everything that I've come to do” to mean “I'm terminally ill”...

...“I've done everything that I've come to do” could also be interpreted to mean — “I've accepted that the well of brilliantly original musical ideas has finally run dry”...

...But hey! If imagining Prince's being terminally ill is what people need to believe to get themselves out of bed in the morning, far be it for me to begrudge them their own spin on the sister's cryptic riddle..."

"...I don't understand either why this affirms people's opinions he was terminally ill. Her comments didn't confirm anything. If he was terminally ill he would have had a perfectly legit reason for taking narcotic pain meds. So that alone makes the terminal illness theory bogus. There is no good reason I can think of that would keep any of his camp from just stating that if it were true. Unfortunately the very vocal and harsh reactions of certain "fans" on this very public site are probably what keep the people who know what happened from telling the whole truth. They are trying to protect him from the negative backlash they know he would receive if they spill all the details of his substance abuse issues. It's truly sad that in 2016 there is still such a prevalence of negativity and lack of support towards those suffering from addiction. The shame and humiliation has to stop in order for these tragedies to stop. I truly hoped if nothing else losing someone of prince's stature to this disease would bring about a real change in attitude. If that happened it might make losing him just a bit more bearable. But some people you just can't reach. I can't imagine what it will take to get people to stop seeing drug addiction as a dirty thing. I'm so done with beating my head against the wall about this. All people have to do is open their hearts as well as their minds. The fact that members here choose to resort to name calling on these boards and trying to run off anyone who doesn't believe he had a "terminal illness" says more about their real agenda, and it has nothing to do with supporting or loving Prince...."

Hey sonshine! :¬)

Thanks for chiming in.

You know. sonshine? It's still not too late to get your name on the ballot for the November Presidential elections ;¬) You'd definitely get my vote — on the strength of the Support For Addiction Sufferers issue alone.

Keep fighting the good fight!

phatphuk said:

Superconductor said:

sonshine said:

sonshine said:

I don't understand either why this affirms people's opinions he was terminally ill. Her comments didn't confirm anything. If he was terminally ill he would have had a perfectly legit reason for taking narcotic pain meds. So that alone makes the terminal illness theory bogus. There is no good reason I can think of that would keep any of his camp from just stating that if it were true. Unfortunately the very vocal and harsh reactions of certain "fans" on this very public site are probably what keep the people who know what happened from telling the whole truth. They are trying to protect him from the negative backlash they know he would receive if they spill all the details of his substance abuse issues. It's truly sad that in 2016 there is still such a prevalence of negativity and lack of support towards those suffering from addiction. The shame and humiliation has to stop in order for these tragedies to stop. I truly hoped if nothing else losing someone of prince's stature to this disease would bring about a real change in attitude. If that happened it might make losing him just a bit more bearable. But some people you just can't reach. I can't imagine what it will take to get people to stop seeing drug addiction as a dirty thing. I'm so done with beating my head against the wall about this. All people have to do is open their hearts as well as their minds. The fact that members here choose to resort to name calling on these boards and trying to run off anyone who doesn't believe he had a "terminal illness" says more about their real agenda, and it has nothing to do with supporting or loving Prince.

Full agreement, Sonshine. What's troubled me the most over the months of following/participating in discussions here about P's death is not really the various (conspiracy and other) theories that I don't think the facts and evidence support. It's the underlying desperate need that some people seem to have to find basically any shred of "proof" that Prince wasn't struggling with opioid dependency. Dependency is apparently so repulsive to them that it's preferable for some to think of Prince spending years suffering from a terminal, incurable illness.

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To me dependency can fall into the same general category as disorders like clinical depression -- and not something I would ever view through a moral lens. Seeing people here do just that has been very sadly illuminating to me as to why we have an opioid dependency epidemic in the US right now; it must be brutally hard for a sufferer to open up about their problem when they know that some people will view them as "hopeless" and "lazy," to repeat just a few of the terms I've seen here very recently describing addiction sufferers. I very much hope that compassionate, nuanced view of addiction can become the dominant ones.

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