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On Returning To Paisley Park As a Tourist -article http://blog.thecurrent.or...a-tourist/
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What I couldn’t possibly have predicted was that we would be confronted with not just the idea of Prince or evidence of his day-to-day behavior at Paisley Park, but with the remains of the late Prince Rogers Nelson himself, cocooned in a tiny purple coffin inside a miniature model of Paisley Park, which was itself encased in a glass box in the very center of a sunlit, two-story high atrium where the tour guide said he often went to collect his thoughts because he found it peaceful. No one knew how to react to the information that was being delivered. A woman pressed her face onto the glass, leaving a cloud of fog. A man tried to crack a joke that fell flat. The staff told us to pay our respects, and let us know that Prince would want us to be joyful. We all went on to the next room.
Of all the experiences I had during my two-hour VIP tour, one in particular sticks out. As I was standing in the cavernous sound stage room where I had seen so many magical shows, checking out the purple Yamaha piano that was custom-made for his Piano and A Microphone Tour and its plush purple velvet seat, a video came up on a giant screen on the back wall where the stage once stood. It was his Piano and A Microphone show here at Paisley Park, and the moment that Prince emerged and sat down at his piano. It was gutting to see him again, standing in that place where I last saw him and hearing something that will never happen again. My eyes stung and my heart leapt. Just as I turned to my companions to say “That’s the last time I saw —” the video feed cut out, leaving us standing in silence and staring at a giant image of a desktop computer screen.
There’s a metaphor to be had there, I suppose, though I’m not sure what it is yet. Paisley Park, the museum, is still very much a work in progress, and Prince’s spirit is there, in fleeting moments. But that’s always how it’s been out there in Chanhassen, isn’t it? The more we want to grab onto him, love him, keep him with us, the more elusive he becomes. To watch so many staff scrambling around, doing their darndest to try to live up to the unspeakably large legacy that’s looming overhead — well, I can’t think of a more fitting homage to a man who will forever rest in his beloved Paisley Park.
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/16 8:50pm
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PurpleBabied said:
http://blog.thecurrent.or...a-tourist/
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What I couldn’t possibly have predicted was that we would be confronted with not just the idea of Prince or evidence of his day-to-day behavior at Paisley Park, but with the remains of the late Prince Rogers Nelson himself, cocooned in a tiny purple coffin inside a miniature model of Paisley Park, which was itself encased in a glass box in the very center of a sunlit, two-story high atrium where the tour guide said he often went to collect his thoughts because he found it peaceful. No one knew how to react to the information that was being delivered. A woman pressed her face onto the glass, leaving a cloud of fog. A man tried to crack a joke that fell flat. The staff told us to pay our respects, and let us know that Prince would want us to be joyful. We all went on to the next room.
Of all the experiences I had during my two-hour VIP tour, one in particular sticks out. As I was standing in the cavernous sound stage room where I had seen so many magical shows, checking out the purple Yamaha piano that was custom-made for his Piano and A Microphone Tour and its plush purple velvet seat, a video came up on a giant screen on the back wall where the stage once stood. It was his Piano and A Microphone show here at Paisley Park, and the moment that Prince emerged and sat down at his piano. It was gutting to see him again, standing in that place where I last saw him and hearing something that will never happen again. My eyes stung and my heart leapt. Just as I turned to my companions to say “That’s the last time I saw —” the video feed cut out, leaving us standing in silence and staring at a giant image of a desktop computer screen.
There’s a metaphor to be had there, I suppose, though I’m not sure what it is yet. Paisley Park, the museum, is still very much a work in progress, and Prince’s spirit is there, in fleeting moments. But that’s always how it’s been out there in Chanhassen, isn’t it? The more we want to grab onto him, love him, keep him with us, the more elusive he becomes. To watch so many staff scrambling around, doing their darndest to try to live up to the unspeakably large legacy that’s looming overhead — well, I can’t think of a more fitting homage to a man who will forever rest in his beloved Paisley Park.
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #2 posted 10/06/16 9:30pm
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That las t sentence summed it up.
I think, I'm understanding what Tyke meant we'll be where she is in a year and a half. Right now everything is raw and highly sensative. |
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/16 11:51pm
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PurpleBabied said:
http://blog.thecurrent.or...a-tourist/
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What I couldn’t possibly have predicted was that we would be confronted with not just the idea of Prince or evidence of his day-to-day behavior at Paisley Park, but with the remains of the late Prince Rogers Nelson himself, cocooned in a tiny purple coffin inside a miniature model of Paisley Park, which was itself encased in a glass box in the very center of a sunlit, two-story high atrium where the tour guide said he often went to collect his thoughts because he found it peaceful.
can't think of a more fitting homage to a man who will forever rest in his beloved Paisley Park.
Ohh purple joy oh purple bliss oh purple rapture!
REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #4 posted 10/06/16 11:58pm
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Also, from the same blog
http://blog.thecurrent.org/2016/10/inside-paisley-park-what-do-visitors-see/
and couldn't agree more with the bolded:
"Paisley Park’s current proprietors have some significant issues to resolve, but there will be time for that — all the time in the world. Whether you love or hate what’s been done with Paisley, there’s no escaping the fact that it’s a place like no other. The most important thing that remains to be done is to return performances and recording sessions to the building, so it can again be alive with music. Guides and galleries aside, making Paisley Park a place for new music again will truly be the most important tribute to the incomparable Prince."
A former Producer video/editor during the "gold experience" commented on this article.
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Reply #5 posted 10/06/16 11:58pm
rogifan |
luv4u said:
PurpleBabied said:
http://blog.thecurrent.or...a-tourist/
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What I couldn’t possibly have predicted was that we would be confronted with not just the idea of Prince or evidence of his day-to-day behavior at Paisley Park, but with the remains of the late Prince Rogers Nelson himself, cocooned in a tiny purple coffin inside a miniature model of Paisley Park, which was itself encased in a glass box in the very center of a sunlit, two-story high atrium where the tour guide said he often went to collect his thoughts because he found it peaceful.
can't think of a more fitting homage to a man who will forever rest in his beloved Paisley Park.
I read on FB that his remains weren't actually in that replica urn. Can anyone confirm? Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #6 posted 10/07/16 12:00am
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rogifan said:
luv4u said:
I read on FB that his remains weren't actually in that replica urn. Can anyone confirm?
http://www.citypages.com/.../396185571
Once inside Paisley, fans are apparently greeted with a view of the urn holding Prince's remains, if we're to believe early social media buzz (UPDATE: Beckwith confirmed to City Pages that Prince's ashes are, in fact, inside that urn).
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REAL MUSIC by REAL MUSICIANS - Prince
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Reply #8 posted 10/07/16 12:04am
rogifan |
luv4u said:
rogifan said: luv4u said:
I read on FB that his remains weren't actually in that replica urn. Can anyone confirm?
http://www.citypages.com/.../396185571
Once inside Paisley, fans are apparently greeted with a view of the urn holding Prince's remains, if we're to believe early social media buzz (UPDATE: Beckwith confirmed to City Pages that Prince's ashes are, in fact, inside that urn). Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #9 posted 10/07/16 2:57am
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rogifan said:
luv4u said:
Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
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Reply #10 posted 10/07/16 3:30am
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ecnirp98 said:
rogifan said:
luv4u said: Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Reply #11 posted 10/07/16 4:04am
remko |
ecnirp98 said:
rogifan said: luv4u said:
Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view. I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me. At graceland, Elvis grave can be seen as a highlight, at the end of the tour. It did not feel really comfortable. But starting a tour with an urn. I d rather dkip thar part... |
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Reply #12 posted 10/07/16 4:39am
rogifan |
ecnirp98 said:
rogifan said: luv4u said:
Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view. I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me. I guess it depends how it's handled and how exactly it's part of the tour. If it really is treated like just another artifact, like a piece of clothing or a guitar The I don't like that at all. But if it's respectful and tasteful I'm ok with it. Apparently they said it's in the atrium because Prince spent a lot of time there. I go both ways on this. I know he wouldn't want to be anywhere else but I also see why people might be uncomfortable with it. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #13 posted 10/07/16 4:49am
AA1slot |
Perhaps P designated that's where he wanted to be before he passed. The current placement would keep it forefront in every one's mind that this is still P's home and to keep it respectful since there are those fans that think they are "special". Already reported that some phone pics were done altho signs posted not to. It is also a way for one to pay their respect should they wish to do so. People were'nt happy not knowing where he was after he died, now complaining about where he is. It never stops. Eventually, we all will need to accept the fact that Prince is gone (as we all will be) but he lives on in PP. [Edited 10/7/16 5:04am] |
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Reply #14 posted 10/07/16 4:57am
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I thought from the start his ashes should be laid at PP somewhere, it is his spiritual home, nowhere else would make sense
I'm confused though. The article mentioned photos were taken - I thought there was strictly no cameras or photos allowed?? |
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/16 6:09am
MIRvmn |
sfinky1 said:
I thought from the start his ashes should be laid at PP somewhere, it is his spiritual home, nowhere else would make sense I'm confused though. The article mentioned photos were taken - I thought there was strictly no cameras or photos allowed??
yes I read that if anyone takes pictures they will be banned from pp Welcome 2 The Dawn |
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Reply #16 posted 10/07/16 6:26am
Noodled24 |
^ Photos were taken by the tour guide (VIP Tour only). Either on an in-house ipad or or on peoples own mobile phones. |
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Reply #17 posted 10/07/16 6:30am
Noodled24 |
Shane said:
I was a former Producer video/editor during his now infamous TAFKAP "gold experience" , myself returning from LA back to Minneapolis . We shouldn't forget that Paisley Park was envisioned as a major proffesional recording studio as well as film & rehearsal space. As any alumni recording engineer that survived his manic work schedules can attest , the various rooms with wood or stone reflects the timbre of instruments (with skillful microphone placement) which gave an amazing one-of-a-kind sound no one else could even imagine. Listen to a stripped acoustic guitar 12 "version of 7, that I used to blast in my own office at the top of the stairs over looking the atrium. Prince wanted the best in every way, Susan Rogers (no relation) would be summoned from LA because of her abilities recording a" big drum sound" from Michael Bland. When the -gold experience finally dropped & went gold. Then suddenly the boss wanted to film, I coordinated and we accomplished it all on his sound stage. The sound stage sports a curved photo wall - actually the largest in the upper Midwest. I always said you could shoot two car commercials next to each other with track full light kits and camera cranes with out bumping into or bothering each other. He would set up the full touring version of his shows the actual speakers w custom mixing board to tour. As well with special risers and moving floor belt he could stand on. Then there were the late night parties and spontaneous comedy acts. Yes Dave Chappell came we filmed his entire routine (4 full 35mm Panasonic cam packs track & crane) so much in fact I told the boss we needed to stop or no film left for him. Anybody that knew him or worked there was aware of the excitement of creating or being a part of his vision. It's so unfair that this amazing facility now sits idle-merely a backdrop for his many awards and guitars that will never be tuned and played again. It's my hope that in the future Paisley can slowly return to some vitality as a working production studio filled with musicians and artists. That would make those doves outside my office door cry again. Shane Perry
- One of the comments left on the article.
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Reply #18 posted 10/07/16 7:03am
dodger |
ecnirp98 said:
rogifan said:
luv4u said: Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
This.
Do his family not know how private he was. Surely he would not have wanted this. So wrong |
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Reply #19 posted 10/07/16 7:05am
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dodger said:
ecnirp98 said:
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
This.
Do his family not know how private he was. Surely he would not have wanted this. So wrong
i have to agree. thought about it overnight and although i believe Prince's ashes should be at PP, imo it's a bad idea to "display" his remains as part of the tour. this is just my opinion
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Reply #20 posted 10/07/16 7:26am
jdcxc |
The most important part of this article is the lack of musicology in the museum. I could care less about memorabilia and videos we have all seen a million times. Where is the scholarly dissection of his art, the historical anaylsis and interesting tidbits that are not part of the public record? I want a true Behind the Scenes of his creative process, not a look at velour couches, painted symbols or ping pong tables.
It is troubling that the tour guide didn't know who Sheila E. was, let alone her connection to Prince's love of Carlos Santana.
They rushed this. It appears to be all cosmetic. |
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Reply #21 posted 10/07/16 7:28am
NinaB |
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 |
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Reply #22 posted 10/07/16 7:34am
terrig |
I'm glad that Prince is where he would go to gather his thoughts and that he's at home in the heaven he built for himself on earth.
Its hard to process HIM, like that...ashes. But it is a way to gain the closure pay our respects and We will all leave ashes behind - we are lucky for everything Prince built to be enjoyed forevermore.
It feels too soon but I think sooner is better than later and its best not to let PP become a stale stagnant empty place. |
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Reply #23 posted 10/07/16 8:35am
rogifan |
jdcxc said: The most important part of this article is the lack of musicology in the museum. I could care less about memorabilia and videos we have all seen a million times. Where is the scholarly dissection of his art, the historical anaylsis and interesting tidbits that are not part of the public record? I want a true Behind the Scenes of his creative process, not a look at velour couches, painted symbols or ping pong tables.
It is troubling that the tour guide didn't know who Sheila E. was, let alone her connection to Prince's love of Carlos Santana.
They rushed this. It appears to be all cosmetic. I'm not surprised people from The Current who are probably die hard fans and have been to PP many times over the years would find it lacking. I'I've seen others in the fan gathering forum and on Facebook say it was a positive experience. I think it will get better over time which is one reason I'm waiting to go. Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #24 posted 10/07/16 8:46am
purplethunder3 121 |
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Reply #25 posted 10/07/16 8:54am
purplerabbitho le |
That comment just broke my heart. But isn't that the way it is--a wake is nothing up placing a dead body on display...But at least that is done only once. they need a special room for his remains that is quiet and respectful--not the atrium. Tacky.
purplethunder3121 said:
NinaB said:
I wish they hadn't done that On display like that.
There are ways to lay Prince to rest at PP without making him a museum artifact in a display case.
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Reply #26 posted 10/07/16 8:55am
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purplethunder3121 said: Yes "We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15 |
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Reply #27 posted 10/07/16 9:06am
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ecnirp98 said:
rogifan said:
luv4u said: Oh wow. Welp, I guess I'd rather have them there than 6 feet under or on some family members mantle. He loved PP and his spirit will live on there forever. But I can see it being highly emotional, especially when you're not expecting it.
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
Where his ashes are located, gives visitors a chance/opportunity to pay their respects.
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Reply #28 posted 10/07/16 10:13am
ecnirp98 |
luv4u said:
ecnirp98 said:
I can't say I am comfortable to have his remains as part of a tour, I am all for people seeing where/how he worked, sharing the music and experience, but something feels undignified about his ashes being available for everyone to view.
I understand PP is probably the most fitting place for his ashes, it's where he spent most of his time and lived the last few years, but I don't think they have be 'mounted' for people to gawp at, they could have just said his ashes are at PP, and leave it there, but too make it part of the tour does not feel right to me.
Where his ashes are located, gives visitors a chance/opportunity to pay their respects.
To be fair, I have not been on the tour, I am just going from the description posted, it's just my impression that it does not feel right for me, I wouldn't call myself overly sensitive, so for me to think that it must have hit a nerve !!!
We all know how private Prince was, so it just does not feel right to me, they also said that Prince would goto the Atrium alone to gather his thoughts and chill, so put his ashes there in peace in a private area, I agree he should be at PP, just putting it on the tour feels wrong. They could have put a place there, like a shrine for people to pay respects without having the ashes there on view. |
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Reply #29 posted 10/07/16 10:22am
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I've read most all the comments regarding his remains being on display and personally i think they are exactly where they should be....at PP. I for one think its nice that they are allowing the public to see them and really like the minature PP. I know P was incredibly private but he was already working on turning PP into a museum and I think he would be ok with his ashes being on display in this manner The greatest live performer of our times was is and always will be Prince.
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