What are your thoughts on P's music (released, unreleased, concert footage) being posted on the web and available to all to download for no payment. Do we assume all of it is unauthorised? Some posters state that all rights are reserved by the estate.

With the unreleased songs and concert footage, is it okay to listen and download in case it never gets officially released?

Can we assume everyone is in agreement that officially released songs shouldn't be posted on the web for free listening and downloading?

Your thoughts are welcomed...

I see no reason for his work to be witheld anymore,

released unreleased, whatever...

let it all out there..

His performance is astounding and needs to be seen..

It wont hurt his legacy..

You could say he almost sabbotaged his career by wiping himself off youtube

.

Although I respect him for the reasons why..

admire him even more, shows that he was not into the fame and adulation .

It was all about Principles and making the world a better place...

People NEED to SEE and HEAR him

His Estate wont suffer from this..They will be making zillions for years to come

How he, or the estate, makes money outside of concerts, record sales, and merchandise is not my business. I've bought every album more than once. I've supported him 100x over, as best I could. If I watch a video of a concert on YouTube, so what. He was remiss in not releasing more videos and putting things out in an official manner. In a way, he created the bootleg market that exists around him by some of his actions over the years (handing out tapes to friends or employees with unreleased songs on it).

If a fam wants to mail their bootlegs to Paisley Park and be left sitting with nothing, do it. If they want to worry about the estate's finances (none of which affect the end-user, by the way), that's their burden to carry, not mine.

I don't agree with anything, other than the music needs to be heard, loved, and celebrated. He's only been dead five months. Give the estate time to do something on their time table. Until then, I'll keep watching stuff on YouTube.

Lovejunky said:

I see no reason for his work to be witheld anymore,

released unreleased, whatever...

let it all out there..

His performance is astounding and needs to be seen..

It wont hurt his legacy..

You could say he almost sabbotaged his career by wiping himself off youtube

.

Although I respect him for the reasons why..

admire him even more, shows that he was not into the fame and adulation .

It was all about Principles and making the world a better place...

People NEED to SEE and HEAR him

His Estate wont suffer from this..They will be making zillions for years to come

Exactly!

Since the only things I ever hear are Purple Rain era stuff on the stupid radio, no new folks are likely to explore his incredible back catalogue on their own unless they know someone who introduces them to P's various works. Being on the Internet will spur sales because folks who like what they hear will want more and better quality.

TrivialPursuit said:

How he, or the estate, makes money outside of concerts, record sales, and merchandise is not my business. I've bought every album more than once. I've supported him 100x over, as best I could. If I watch a video of a concert on YouTube, so what. He was remiss in not releasing more videos and putting things out in an official manner. In a way, he created the bootleg market that exists around him by some of his actions over the years (handing out tapes to friends or employees with unreleased songs on it).

If a fam wants to mail their bootlegs to Paisley Park and be left sitting with nothing, do it. If they want to worry about the estate's finances (none of which affect the end-user, by the way), that's their burden to carry, not mine.

I don't agree with anything, other than the music needs to be heard, loved, and celebrated. He's only been dead five months. Give the estate time to do something on their time table. Until then, I'll keep watching stuff on YouTube.

Yup. I've been a fan since the beginning and what's left of my collection (after my ex deliberately ruined it to be mean) is packed away. I've bought everything for years and if the estate offers everything that's on bootlegs as official releases I'll happily buy a deluxe legacy commemorative collection from them...until then...

If the Estate wants future generations to buy the product, it should allow at a minimum concert videos to remain on YouTube. Kids need to see and hear him - I agree with that comment completely!

This is slightly off topic, but the Estate HAS to allow his music to be used in movies, on TV and in commercials. How many times have you heard a song in a commercial, and wondered who it was, then sought out that music? I have. The future is here - the Estate needs to license the product while it can. Corvette doesn't advertise (I don't think it does, really) but LRC ... come on, what better tune? And "Kiss" for a cosmetics commercial? Have to move on this.

Don't forget the Coke commercial he already wrote....Allegedly...Um. Yeah. Just sayin.

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LBrent said:

Don't forget the Coke commercial he already wrote....Allegedly...Um. Yeah. Just sayin.

[Edited 9/28/16 10:59am]

What coke commercial?

bigtimefan said:

LBrent said:

Don't forget the Coke commercial he already wrote....Allegedly...Um. Yeah. Just sayin.

[Edited 9/28/16 10:59am]

What coke commercial?

I plead the Purple 5th ammendment to the Constitution...or is it the 7th?...or the 3:19? I sucked in government in high school.

autismrocks said:

What are your thoughts on P's music (released, unreleased, concert footage) being posted on the web and available to all to download for no payment. Do we assume all of it is unauthorised? Some posters state that all rights are reserved by the estate.

With the unreleased songs and concert footage, is it okay to listen and download in case it never gets officially released?

Can we assume everyone is in agreement that officially released songs shouldn't be posted on the web for free listening and downloading?

Your thoughts are welcomed...

My policy on the official discog site (https://sites.google.com/site/princediscog/home/discography/2016) is to add anything that's being posted by someone who was involved in the creation of the music and/or film: even though it's unauthorized by the estate, I consider that if the artist was involved and the estate turns a blind eye to it, it's semi-legitimate. I had the same policy when P was alive, for example when Jesse would post the Bird outtake, St. Paul posted the original cut of NC2U or Robin Power her Number 1 video: not Pince approved but it was also their music, wasn't it?

I may have missed such semi-official posthumous streams BTW, so if anyone found out any other, please let me know

databank said:

autismrocks said:

What are your thoughts on P's music (released, unreleased, concert footage) being posted on the web and available to all to download for no payment. Do we assume all of it is unauthorised? Some posters state that all rights are reserved by the estate.

With the unreleased songs and concert footage, is it okay to listen and download in case it never gets officially released?

Can we assume everyone is in agreement that officially released songs shouldn't be posted on the web for free listening and downloading?

Your thoughts are welcomed...

My policy on the official discog site (https://sites.google.com/site/princediscog/home/discography/2016) is to add anything that's being posted by someone who was involved in the creation of the music and/or film: even though it's unauthorized by the estate, I consider that if the artist was involved and the estate turns a blind eye to it, it's semi-legitimate. I had the same policy when P was alive, for example when Jesse would post the Bird outtake, St. Paul posted the original cut of NC2U or Robin Power her Number 1 video: not Pince approved but it was also their music, wasn't it?

I may have missed such semi-official posthumous streams BTW, so if anyone found out any other, please let me know

PHEW! That will keep you busy for AWHILE. Be sure to eat, drink, exercize and moisturize at regular intervals or they'll find you starved, dehydrated and shrivelled at your keyboard trying to tame the unweildy beast that is P's collective definitive catalogue.

I wish The Prince Vault would update fully to 2016 but guess they're taking a break.

It's daunting. Good luck.

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LBrent said:

databank said:

My policy on the official discog site (https://sites.google.com/site/princediscog/home/discography/2016) is to add anything that's being posted by someone who was involved in the creation of the music and/or film: even though it's unauthorized by the estate, I consider that if the artist was involved and the estate turns a blind eye to it, it's semi-legitimate. I had the same policy when P was alive, for example when Jesse would post the Bird outtake, St. Paul posted the original cut of NC2U or Robin Power her Number 1 video: not Pince approved but it was also their music, wasn't it?

I may have missed such semi-official posthumous streams BTW, so if anyone found out any other, please let me know

PHEW! That will keep you busy for AWHILE. Be sure to eat, drink, exercize and moisturize at regular intervals or they'll find you starved, dehydrated and shrivelled at your keyboard trying to tame the unweildy beast that is P's collective definitive catalogue.

I wish The Prince Vault would update fully to 2016 but guess they're taking a break.

It's daunting. Good luck.

[Edited 9/28/16 23:49pm]

Princevault's policy seems to have always been to ignore those semi-official releases. It's a policy I respect but I thought I'd be better off adding them, as long as I indicate their specific status.

bigtimefan said:

LBrent said:

Don't forget the Coke commercial he already wrote....Allegedly...Um. Yeah. Just sayin.

What coke commercial?

You talking about the Diet Pepsi commercial with Ray Charles? There's no allegedly about it. He didn't write that. It was written by someone at Pepsi along with a jingle writer. Prince wrote "Uh Huh' after the commercial was out, and sampled Ray's vocals in it. But he didn't write the jingle.

TrivialPursuit said:

bigtimefan said:

What coke commercial?

You talking about the Diet Pepsi commercial with Ray Charles? There's no allegedly about it. He didn't write that. It was written by someone at Pepsi along with a jingle writer. Prince wrote "Uh Huh' after the commercial was out, and sampled Ray's vocals in it. But he didn't write the jingle.

Or this http://www.princevault.co...=Coca-Cola

autismrocks said:

What are your thoughts on P's music (released, unreleased, concert footage) being posted on the web and available to all to download for no payment. Do we assume all of it is unauthorised?

You can't lump it all in together. Released music is one thing. Trouble is with Prince some of the online releases just aren't avalable anymore. B-side and remixes can be very difficult to track down unless you're willing to pay over the odds for a CD single on Ebay (from which the estate makes no money anyway).

Unreleased music - fans have been collecting these songs for decades. I don't see the harm at all.

Live recordings are usually terrible quality. There are exceptions and the odd soundboard. These recordings are the reason Prince has a legacy. If the same recordings exist in better quality in the vaults then people will buy them.

Concert footage is different again. Frankly I can't imagine there is much of a market for live DVDs even when they were popular people just ripped the audio and added their favorite songs to their playlists.

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TheDigitalGardener said:

TrivialPursuit said:

You talking about the Diet Pepsi commercial with Ray Charles? There's no allegedly about it. He didn't write that. It was written by someone at Pepsi along with a jingle writer. Prince wrote "Uh Huh' after the commercial was out, and sampled Ray's vocals in it. But he didn't write the jingle.

Or this http://www.princevault.co...=Coca-Cola

Lordt, I'm glad that never saw the light of day!

People should be able to hear his music.

I'm pretty sure Tyka and half-siblings won't have to go hungry after Prince's millions get transferred to their bank accounts.

TheDigitalGardener said:

I am really naive as to how this all works. Just heard this wonderful song on Uncle P's Videos facebook page called "I Wonder", and I really don't understand how people have access to these unreleased songs. I can't believe that P gave away THAT money tapes/cds to people. I mean, I'm not complaining because I am really enjoying some of the music, but I saw the interview he did I think it was on Larry King and he didn't seem really happy with the bootlegs because he said "so called fans" when addressing the topic of bootlegs. Jump down my throat if you wish; I just don't know anything about bootlegs and how the unreleased stuff gets out because I am not that hardcore fan.

1Sasha said:

If the Estate wants future generations to buy the product, it should allow at a minimum concert videos to remain on YouTube. Kids need to see and hear him - I agree with that comment completely!

I totally agree! Let the younger generation get hooked on his epic guitar solos!