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Thread started 09/29/16 10:39am

26ten

Look - we all outgrow the 80s... eventually. Thoughts on Prince after the 1980s.

Edited for clarity - (good call databank) :

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Question (does anybody know about the funk?):

How do you feel about Prince after the 1980s era? I so often see his post 80s work put on a lower pedestal and I once did the same thing. I've included a story below about how I rediscovered the glory of P's 90s and later work below. Feel free to read it if you'd like - but you don't have to if you don't want cause I know this post is huge. Overall that is the question: how do you feel about the work he did in the 90s and on?

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This is my entry into P - 90's edition:

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Got all the expected albums from the 80s - fell in love. You know the drill. What is this strange funk - robotic and psychedelic all at once. This is madness. (Aaaaaand all other funk is made nearly obsolete)

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Moved to the 90s. Got Diamonds and Pearls. Was shocked that it sounded nothing like the works he had been putting out even a year before. Strike 1 - moved on. Liked some of Emancipation but it still wasn't the same (disc 2 was solid though). I'm down with this even though I hadn't listened to all of it yet.

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Got Gold Experience and didn't care for it much. Didn't understand why everyone loved it so much. Got Come and listened to it. Liked the title track and Loose but that was it. Bought LotusFlower pack and felt meh especially about MPLSound. Rainbow Children was found for 99 cents at an FYI and I thought I had paid too much still. At this point it was close to 5 or 6 strikes but I kept trying. Eventually I just stopped.

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I remember the day when I compiled all the cds I was gonna ditch at the pawn shop. 15+ Prince records were in there. Something stopped me from that - but I still didn't listen again.

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Time went on I got grown rhyme got strong mind got blown I came back home and realized I hadn't given those records a chance they needed. This was about two years ago. Started to check the org for the first time and decided to start at the places most P fans don't like so much and move in accordance to that. Put in New Power Soul. Damn this is pretty good. I gave that record a 3.5/5 minimum (sometimes more). What... okay let's try this again.

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Put in MPLSound the following night. Dear god this is great. I hated this?!?

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Rinse and repeat: the outcome always the same with no exceptions. My expectations were gone - so I heard them for what they actually were. Absolutely killer songs.

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I remember redicovering Come driving late at night with my brother - telling him that I had been so wrong about Prince from 1990 onward. I put the disk in and it hit. I started laughing hysterically at the sheer cajones - how could humans create such music? To my ears this was a 5/5 aka some of the greatest work he had ever done. The horns so majestic - the hip hop snare replacing the linn - the same beat but evolved. The most impassioned vocals I'd ever heard. The idea of not liking it became a huge joke - I must have been deaf.

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"If you could see the future would you try?"

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When I found the 80s P records it was a solid 18 months of listening only to Prince. When I caught on to all his other work I started to binge again - and with no end in sight. This made his death even more unexpected since I was basking in a renewed sense of his genius at the time. I'm so glad that I knew the truth before he left this earth. May he remain funky forever (he will).

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I'm agnostic but I hope there is an afterlife. If I live for 50 more years I got at least 100 new albums to check by the time I hit the great beyond.

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Reply #1 posted 09/29/16 10:52am

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I've thought two to three tracks on every single thing he'd put out were instant classics to my ears... but that also includes from 1979-1990 as well.

He consistently put a few gems on most everything he put out, and then the rest are experiments, half baked, playful, annoying, or grow on you from repeated listening... but always remarkable.

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Reply #2 posted 09/29/16 12:16pm

26ten

It is interesting to me that you say that. I agree that there are at least 2-3 classics on every LP (although I'd add "at minimum" because apparently I've developed into someone who loves all his work somehow)

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The albums that have a strong cohesive sound or concept are my favorites for sure though (LoveSexy and Come especially).

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I notice you've indicated one of your favorites is the black album, which to me does have a bit of a theme to it. What are the things you like about that album in particular if you don't mind me asking? It's a great LP and the hype behind it does it such a disservice imo.

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Reply #3 posted 09/29/16 8:59pm

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The black album, in my opinion, is his most creative album that still has complete cohesion in the production and energy of the songs, and it did push his vibe into an area that sounded off kilter and really moody to me. It's so perfect as it is.



I loved the hype behind it, and did the legwork to get a vinyl copy bootleg very early on. And for me, it blew me away. And "Bob George" seemed so ferociously creative for what most people thought of as a top 40 dance pop star.

To this day, I can't get enough of listening to Le Grind, and superfunky-

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Reply #4 posted 09/29/16 10:11pm

26ten

ufoclub said:

The black album, in my opinion, is his most creative album that still has complete cohesion in the production and energy of the songs, and it did push his vibe into an area that sounded off kilter and really moody to me. It's so perfect as it is.



I loved the hype behind it, and did the legwork to get a vinyl copy bootleg very early on. And for me, it blew me away. And "Bob George" seemed so ferociously creative for what most people thought of as a top 40 dance pop star.

To this day, I can't get enough of listening to Le Grind, and superfunky-

I sometimes have to remind myself that he was a top 40 'pop' artist. Rare for an artist on the charts to put out something like that - and a little over 10 years later drop say, Rainbow Children.

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Albums with a strong permeating vibe are just the best! I often think of TBA and Come as a pair of sorts. How do you feel Come compares to TBA?

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Reply #5 posted 09/29/16 11:10pm

ufoclub

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26ten said:

ufoclub said:

The black album, in my opinion, is his most creative album that still has complete cohesion in the production and energy of the songs, and it did push his vibe into an area that sounded off kilter and really moody to me. It's so perfect as it is.



I loved the hype behind it, and did the legwork to get a vinyl copy bootleg very early on. And for me, it blew me away. And "Bob George" seemed so ferociously creative for what most people thought of as a top 40 dance pop star.

To this day, I can't get enough of listening to Le Grind, and superfunky-

I sometimes have to remind myself that he was a top 40 'pop' artist. Rare for an artist on the charts to put out something like that - and a little over 10 years later drop say, Rainbow Children.

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Albums with a strong permeating vibe are just the best! I often think of TBA and Come as a pair of sorts. How do you feel Come compares to TBA?

I do think Come is also very cohesive in sound, but I think the lackluster art direction and the fact that it doesn't have that whole mythos of dialog and characters and a world within the album that the Black Album has, makes it much less of an obsession for me. But I did play the hell out of "Come" and "Pheremone" and "Papa". In fact I recorded a very crazy tongue in cheek cover of "Pheremone".

I even posted about here long ago... I pretended it wasn't me at first: http://prince.org/msg/7/220021?pr

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Reply #6 posted 09/30/16 7:01am

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I honestly am not sure what the OP is saying or asking in the first place, 26ten maybe u should reformulate in a clearer manner. But if my understanding is correct this is about rediscovering P's post-80's work.

In my case I began with Batman in 89, then GB and all the previous albums were bought in the course of a year in 90-91, then in 92-93 I went thru all the side projects and outtakes while getting the new releases. My point is that I didn't live thru the 'classic' years: the first Prince album I waited for and bought on the day of release was D&P. By late 1993 I had absorbed the great majority of what was available at the time, including productions and unauthorized material. So to me the period going from 1978 to 1990 was past and absorbed in the course of a few years. Everything after 1990 was contemporary, I would get the new albums as they got released, and enjoy them over the course of the next few month. From that point on I grew-up with Prince's music and it grew-up with me, and in a way my emotional attachment to those post-1990 is stronger, even though the older albums made me go crazy about Prince in the first place, because each new Prince album after 1990 is strongly related to an era of my own life, resonates with whatever was going on in my life at the time.

For that reason alone I do not consider the 80's material to be "superior" to what came next, and I never really went nostalgic about P's past music, because I was always going with the flow of new releases smile

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Reply #7 posted 09/30/16 7:08am

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ufoclub said:

I've thought two to three tracks on every single thing he'd put out were instant classics to my ears... but that also includes from 1979-1990 as well.

He consistently put a few gems on most everything he put out, and then the rest are experiments, half baked, playful, annoying, or grow on you from repeated listening... but always remarkable.



I agree.

Also, due to perhaps how I "discovered" Prince's music, I actually prefer quite a bit of his 90's work to some of the 80's standards.

If you will, so will I
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Reply #8 posted 09/30/16 9:20pm

26ten

ufoclub said:

26ten said:

I sometimes have to remind myself that he was a top 40 'pop' artist. Rare for an artist on the charts to put out something like that - and a little over 10 years later drop say, Rainbow Children.

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Albums with a strong permeating vibe are just the best! I often think of TBA and Come as a pair of sorts. How do you feel Come compares to TBA?

I do think Come is also very cohesive in sound, but I think the lackluster art direction and the fact that it doesn't have that whole mythos of dialog and characters and a world within the album that the Black Album has, makes it much less of an obsession for me. But I did play the hell out of "Come" and "Pheremone" and "Papa". In fact I recorded a very crazy tongue in cheek cover of "Pheremone".

I even posted about here long ago... I pretended it wasn't me at first: http://prince.org/msg/7/220021?pr

I tried to listen and it won't let me haha shoot - you can't tempt me like that, sir! Solid point about it not creating a little universe in itself like some great Prince albums do. I think I need to relisten to the black album a bit now...

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Reply #9 posted 09/30/16 10:25pm

gandorb

I totally get your post, no clarification needed! Prince's brilliant output throughout the 80s created such an expectation of his subsequent work that it is was hard if not impossible for it to fully be given a chance. Although I enjoyed some of his post 80s work, I kept longing for a masterpiece on par with the ones he made in the 1980s. There was a tinge of disappointment that became associated with his post-80s studio albums that was pervasive from many of his fans, orgers (as illustrated in threads about almost all of his post 1980s albums), critics (even AOA just got decent but not stellar reviews), and of course the general public who never really was into him after PR. I appreciate that you gave all of his work a new look a couple of years ago. I didn't fully do this until he died. Although his 80s work is still my favorite period of any artist ever, I have thoroughly been enjoying almost all of his albums (okay, Slaughterhouse is a challenge wink ). Sometimes wishful thinking gets in the way of acceptance and appreciation of what is. In this case, the wish for more masterpieces blinded me and I think some others to the full beauty of what he has created since the 1980s. Thanks for your post.

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Reply #10 posted 10/01/16 3:56am

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This is such a subjective question to consider (which makes it a good question). Most people in life remain fondest of the music they listened to and bought in their teens... a period in life when music is often of the greatest importance, and listened to most obsessively. (Before anyone jumps all over that, I'm speaking generally. There are of course exceptions to any general observation).

I just so happened to leave my teens at the same time we left the 1980s, and Prince's 90's output kind of co-incided with the time when I 'outgrew' my years of childhood/adolescence, and joined the big grown up world, where the time I spent listening to music lessened considerably. I continued to buy every Prince album during the week, if no longer the day of release (as I felt compelled to do in the 80's), but I remember feeling a steady fall off in my excitement of his music as he went from having been a trend setter/ trailblazer in the 80's, to a follower of trends in the 90's and at times sounding like a retro Prince vegas act in the 00's.

All that said, I always found gems on every album, and occasionally an album would come along that I listened to for longer than it took for the 'new Prince album' feel to wear off. The Gold Experience stood out for me in the 90's. I enjoyed the Musicology/3121/Planet Earth years, and there were songs on those albums that to me would have sat perfectly well on any of his 80's albums, but he was a middle aged artist by then and I am a middle aged music fan, and so excitement and cutting edge had been replaced with a familiar and retro feel which was pleasant if unremarkable.

Prince live was a different beast. I felt the Prince I saw live in 2014 was a better live performer than the one I saw back at the turn of the 90's. He played great and sang like a dream. Live he was vital and exciting long after he had ceased to be either consistently on record (personal view only here folks).

I have a playlist on my ipod of post 80's Prince music that checks in at over 2 1/2 hours long, and it is stunning. So there was still great music after the 80's, but for me it was two or three tracks off this album, another couple of that.

So my thoughts on Prince after the 1980's? He remained more worth sticking around for the long haul than most artists, continued to give us gifts long after we had a right to still expect them, and lit up a stage right up until the end. Yes, I'm a 47 year old man who thinks 80's Prince was king... blah, blah, boring blah.... BUT, anyone who dismisses his post 80's output outright is missing out on some exceptional music.

Well, you did ask razz

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Reply #11 posted 10/01/16 10:23am

gandorb

Yewdale said:

This is such a subjective question to consider (which makes it a good question). Most people in life remain fondest of the music they listened to and bought in their teens... a period in life when music is often of the greatest importance, and listened to most obsessively. (Before anyone jumps all over that, I'm speaking generally. There are of course exceptions to any general observation).

I just so happened to leave my teens at the same time we left the 1980s, and Prince's 90's output kind of co-incided with the time when I 'outgrew' my years of childhood/adolescence, and joined the big grown up world, where the time I spent listening to music lessened considerably. I continued to buy every Prince album during the week, if no longer the day of release (as I felt compelled to do in the 80's), but I remember feeling a steady fall off in my excitement of his music as he went from having been a trend setter/ trailblazer in the 80's, to a follower of trends in the 90's and at times sounding like a retro Prince vegas act in the 00's.

All that said, I always found gems on every album, and occasionally an album would come along that I listened to for longer than it took for the 'new Prince album' feel to wear off. The Gold Experience stood out for me in the 90's. I enjoyed the Musicology/3121/Planet Earth years, and there were songs on those albums that to me would have sat perfectly well on any of his 80's albums, but he was a middle aged artist by then and I am a middle aged music fan, and so excitement and cutting edge had been replaced with a familiar and retro feel which was pleasant if unremarkable.

Prince live was a different beast. I felt the Prince I saw live in 2014 was a better live performer than the one I saw back at the turn of the 90's. He played great and sang like a dream. Live he was vital and exciting long after he had ceased to be either consistently on record (personal view only here folks).

I have a playlist on my ipod of post 80's Prince music that checks in at over 2 1/2 hours long, and it is stunning. So there was still great music after the 80's, but for me it was two or three tracks off this album, another couple of that.

So my thoughts on Prince after the 1980's? He remained more worth sticking around for the long haul than most artists, continued to give us gifts long after we had a right to still expect them, and lit up a stage right up until the end. Yes, I'm a 47 year old man who thinks 80's Prince was king... blah, blah, boring blah.... BUT, anyone who dismisses his post 80's output outright is missing out on some exceptional music.

Well, you did ask razz

Nice point about the age factor. That is so true for many people. It seems that only a few peoople maintain their passion for CURRENT music across the decades.

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Reply #12 posted 10/01/16 12:54pm

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I know many fans consider Prince's golden period the 80's. To me, it was really 1980-1996. I think Come, The Gold Experience, & Emancipation were brilliant albums, as good as anything he put out in the 80's. I think his really only awkawrd period was from 97 -2000. I feel he really returned his focus to the music in 2001 with Rainbow Children. Of course, there are albums that I prefer over others, but just like ufoclub said, there are always 3 or 4 tracks on every release that i immediately love ... the rest may take a little time to grow on me .....

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For what goes on in his mind
Then give me the electric chair
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Reply #13 posted 10/02/16 5:07pm

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I'm a big fan of his Musicology album/era.

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Reply #14 posted 10/03/16 10:52am

26ten

Yewdale said:

This is such a subjective question to consider (which makes it a good question). Most people in life remain fondest of the music they listened to and bought in their teens... a period in life when music is often of the greatest importance, and listened to most obsessively. (Before anyone jumps all over that, I'm speaking generally. There are of course exceptions to any general observation).

I just so happened to leave my teens at the same time we left the 1980s, and Prince's 90's output kind of co-incided with the time when I 'outgrew' my years of childhood/adolescence, and joined the big grown up world, where the time I spent listening to music lessened considerably. I continued to buy every Prince album during the week, if no longer the day of release (as I felt compelled to do in the 80's), but I remember feeling a steady fall off in my excitement of his music as he went from having been a trend setter/ trailblazer in the 80's, to a follower of trends in the 90's and at times sounding like a retro Prince vegas act in the 00's.

All that said, I always found gems on every album, and occasionally an album would come along that I listened to for longer than it took for the 'new Prince album' feel to wear off. The Gold Experience stood out for me in the 90's. I enjoyed the Musicology/3121/Planet Earth years, and there were songs on those albums that to me would have sat perfectly well on any of his 80's albums, but he was a middle aged artist by then and I am a middle aged music fan, and so excitement and cutting edge had been replaced with a familiar and retro feel which was pleasant if unremarkable.

Prince live was a different beast. I felt the Prince I saw live in 2014 was a better live performer than the one I saw back at the turn of the 90's. He played great and sang like a dream. Live he was vital and exciting long after he had ceased to be either consistently on record (personal view only here folks).

I have a playlist on my ipod of post 80's Prince music that checks in at over 2 1/2 hours long, and it is stunning. So there was still great music after the 80's, but for me it was two or three tracks off this album, another couple of that.

So my thoughts on Prince after the 1980's? He remained more worth sticking around for the long haul than most artists, continued to give us gifts long after we had a right to still expect them, and lit up a stage right up until the end. Yes, I'm a 47 year old man who thinks 80's Prince was king... blah, blah, boring blah.... BUT, anyone who dismisses his post 80's output outright is missing out on some exceptional music.

Well, you did ask razz

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Yes I did ask - and you answered!

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I greatly appreciate the fact that your response was well thought out and really reflected on where you were at when these things were happening. Absolutely grateful for your response - thank you again! Very solid reading.

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Reply #15 posted 10/03/16 11:31am

Nightcrawler

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I honestly am not sure what the OP is saying or asking in the first place, 26ten maybe u should reformulate in a clearer manner. But if my understanding is correct this is about rediscovering P's post-80's work.


In my case I began with Batman in 89, then GB and all the previous albums were bought in the course of a year in 90-91, then in 92-93 I went thru all the side projects and outtakes while getting the new releases. My point is that I didn't live thru the 'classic' years: the first Prince album I waited for and bought on the day of release was D&P. By late 1993 I had absorbed the great majority of what was available at the time, including productions and unauthorized material. So to me the period going from 1978 to 1990 was past and absorbed in the course of a few years. Everything after 1990 was contemporary, I would get the new albums as they got released, and enjoy them over the course of the next few month. From that point on I grew-up with Prince's music and it grew-up with me, and in a way my emotional attachment to those post-1990 is stronger, even though the older albums made me go crazy about Prince in the first place, because each new Prince album after 1990 is strongly related to an era of my own life, resonates with whatever was going on in my life at the time.


For that reason alone I do not consider the 80's material to be "superior" to what came next, and I never really went nostalgic about P's past music, because I was always going with the flow of new releases smile



Wow, I could have written that. Exactly the same for me.
I must admit, after "Come" there were times when it was not easy to be a Prince-fan for me (especially during the Emancipation and Rave eras), but I always looked forward to each release. Then in 2000, Rainbow Children was the album that absolutely blew me away and convinced me that he still had "it". He never topped that, in my opinion, but each release had some
great songs on it, and even some albums were great from start to finish (3121!).
See the man with the blue guitar, maybe one day he`ll be a star...
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Reply #16 posted 10/03/16 2:03pm

26ten

Nightcrawler said:

databank said:

I honestly am not sure what the OP is saying or asking in the first place, 26ten maybe u should reformulate in a clearer manner. But if my understanding is correct this is about rediscovering P's post-80's work.

In my case I began with Batman in 89, then GB and all the previous albums were bought in the course of a year in 90-91, then in 92-93 I went thru all the side projects and outtakes while getting the new releases. My point is that I didn't live thru the 'classic' years: the first Prince album I waited for and bought on the day of release was D&P. By late 1993 I had absorbed the great majority of what was available at the time, including productions and unauthorized material. So to me the period going from 1978 to 1990 was past and absorbed in the course of a few years. Everything after 1990 was contemporary, I would get the new albums as they got released, and enjoy them over the course of the next few month. From that point on I grew-up with Prince's music and it grew-up with me, and in a way my emotional attachment to those post-1990 is stronger, even though the older albums made me go crazy about Prince in the first place, because each new Prince album after 1990 is strongly related to an era of my own life, resonates with whatever was going on in my life at the time.

For that reason alone I do not consider the 80's material to be "superior" to what came next, and I never really went nostalgic about P's past music, because I was always going with the flow of new releases smile

Wow, I could have written that. Exactly the same for me. I must admit, after "Come" there were times when it was not easy to be a Prince-fan for me (especially during the Emancipation and Rave eras), but I always looked forward to each release. Then in 2000, Rainbow Children was the album that absolutely blew me away and convinced me that he still had "it". He never topped that, in my opinion, but each release had some great songs on it, and even some albums were great from start to finish (3121!).


I have spent so long revisiting an album of his just to realize I've not paid much attention to "insert new Prince album that I've slightly forgotten about" and so I continue to move album to album now in this neverending cycle. It's strange in that it feels like the twilight zone but it's quite a nice place to be at.

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This weekend I'm gonna do a nighttime "double feature": Rainbow Children and then LotusFlower in the dark, headphones, and wine.

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Looking forward to it already.

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Reply #17 posted 10/04/16 8:06am

alphastreet

Stud.

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Reply #18 posted 10/04/16 8:44am

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I love Prince's music from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00, 10s, so theres that. i dont intend on outgrowing a single damn song.

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Reply #19 posted 10/04/16 12:47pm

26ten

DarkKnight1 said:

I love Prince's music from the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00, 10s, so theres that. i dont intend on outgrowing a single damn song.

I suppose outgrow was... not the right word on my part. I seem to have had some serious communication issues when I made this thread. I'm at the same place as you on this position - and I hope others who are stuck exclusively on 1980s prince find happiness in doing the same!

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Reply #20 posted 10/04/16 3:25pm

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His 90s albums before Emancipation I like a lot--including The Undertaker and the first two New Power Generation "solo" albums (yes, even Goldnigga). But from Emancipation to the present, there are very few highlights for me. The Rainbow Children, 3121, LOtUSFLOW3R are good and Old Friends 4 Sale has grown on me over the last few years, but the rest I don't consider to be Prince's best work and take a back seat to the music released from 1978 to 1996.

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Reply #21 posted 10/04/16 5:00pm

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gandorb said:

I totally get your post, no clarification needed! Prince's brilliant output throughout the 80s created such an expectation of his subsequent work that it is was hard if not impossible for it to fully be given a chance. Although I enjoyed some of his post 80s work, I kept longing for a masterpiece on par with the ones he made in the 1980s. There was a tinge of disappointment that became associated with his post-80s studio albums that was pervasive from many of his fans, orgers (as illustrated in threads about almost all of his post 1980s albums), critics (even AOA just got decent but not stellar reviews), and of course the general public who never really was into him after PR. I appreciate that you gave all of his work a new look a couple of years ago. I didn't fully do this until he died. Although his 80s work is still my favorite period of any artist ever, I have thoroughly been enjoying almost all of his albums (okay, Slaughterhouse is a challenge wink ). Sometimes wishful thinking gets in the way of acceptance and appreciation of what is. In this case, the wish for more masterpieces blinded me and I think some others to the full beauty of what he has created since the 1980s. Thanks for your post.

These are my feelings as well. As someone who came of age in the 80's that is the Prince era i still prefer although I have gone back and now with more mature ears thoroughly enjoy much of his post 80's work. AOA and PE got me back into him a couple years ago so I've always appreciated those albums. Now I'm just grateful to have so much material in between to re-discover that brings a bit of joy during these last five dark months.

It's a hurtful place, the world, in and of itself. We don't need to add to it. We all need one another. ~ PRN
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Reply #22 posted 10/04/16 6:15pm

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he met his touring commitments to the best of his physical abilities. I lent a recovering smack addict my copy of N.E.W.S. and he thought it was the best album he'd ever heard in his life, and that's after the Maha Vishnu Orchestra so damning with faint praise then.

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I thought Silicon off of The Slaughterhouse was another high point - gonna have to make money through touring now all that album sale money has been slashed overnight.

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Ugh

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Anyway, 3121 was brilliant, the best track being LOVE - a lot of people may criticise the homebaked drum machine ness of it all but it's brilliant,

Planet Earth - gave it away bit The 1 U Wanna See is a classic guitar song, nice 21 nights in London

Lotusflower - nice flange on the opening, definitely sounded like mushrooms without being on psychedelics

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Reply #23 posted 10/04/16 8:54pm

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I never got stuck on his 80's work, I'm glad he didn't either exclaim
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #24 posted 10/13/16 7:21am

26ten

AlgeriaTouchshreek said:

he met his touring commitments to the best of his physical abilities. I lent a recovering smack addict my copy of N.E.W.S. and he thought it was the best album he'd ever heard in his life, and that's after the Maha Vishnu Orchestra so damning with faint praise then.

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I thought Silicon off of The Slaughterhouse was another high point - gonna have to make money through touring now all that album sale money has been slashed overnight.

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Ugh

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Anyway, 3121 was brilliant, the best track being LOVE - a lot of people may criticise the homebaked drum machine ness of it all but it's brilliant,

Planet Earth - gave it away bit The 1 U Wanna See is a classic guitar song, nice 21 nights in London

Lotusflower - nice flange on the opening, definitely sounded like mushrooms without being on psychedelics

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[Edited 10/4/16 18:33pm]

Hey what Mahavishnu album did you show that person? I love them so much - all versions.

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Reply #25 posted 10/16/16 12:49pm

Asenath0607

Yewdale said:

This is such a subjective question to consider (which makes it a good question). Most people in life remain fondest of the music they listened to and bought in their teens... a period in life when music is often of the greatest importance, and listened to most obsessively. (Before anyone jumps all over that, I'm speaking generally. There are of course exceptions to any general observation).

I just so happened to leave my teens at the same time we left the 1980s, and Prince's 90's output kind of co-incided with the time when I 'outgrew' my years of childhood/adolescence, and joined the big grown up world, where the time I spent listening to music lessened considerably. I continued to buy every Prince album during the week, if no longer the day of release (as I felt compelled to do in the 80's), but I remember feeling a steady fall off in my excitement of his music as he went from having been a trend setter/ trailblazer in the 80's, to a follower of trends in the 90's and at times sounding like a retro Prince vegas act in the 00's.

All that said, I always found gems on every album, and occasionally an album would come along that I listened to for longer than it took for the 'new Prince album' feel to wear off. The Gold Experience stood out for me in the 90's. I enjoyed the Musicology/3121/Planet Earth years, and there were songs on those albums that to me would have sat perfectly well on any of his 80's albums, but he was a middle aged artist by then and I am a middle aged music fan, and so excitement and cutting edge had been replaced with a familiar and retro feel which was pleasant if unremarkable.

Prince live was a different beast. I felt the Prince I saw live in 2014 was a better live performer than the one I saw back at the turn of the 90's. He played great and sang like a dream. Live he was vital and exciting long after he had ceased to be either consistently on record (personal view only here folks).

I have a playlist on my ipod of post 80's Prince music that checks in at over 2 1/2 hours long, and it is stunning. So there was still great music after the 80's, but for me it was two or three tracks off this album, another couple of that.

So my thoughts on Prince after the 1980's? He remained more worth sticking around for the long haul than most artists, continued to give us gifts long after we had a right to still expect them, and lit up a stage right up until the end. Yes, I'm a 47 year old man who thinks 80's Prince was king... blah, blah, boring blah.... BUT, anyone who dismisses his post 80's output outright is missing out on some exceptional music.

Well, you did ask razz




I must say that has been my personal experience. As a somewhat typical teenaged female, I fell in love with, the music, but with his looks also. Musically, I really wasn't feeling Dirty Mind, but went with the flow because I was deeply infatuated with him. Last thing I purchased (before yesterday) was Around the World. Of course I loved what was released and played on radio post 80s, but I had no clue what P was up to until his death. I was able to find 3121 digitally and AOA and was like, "this is Prince, hummm,not what I remember". Then yesterday I purchased HNR2 (first, and only, non gospel CD I have purchased in over 20 years), and I was, and am floored. I am like "wow, this is Prince?, He certainly has evolved and changed it up". I absolutely love, love, love Look at Me, and appreciate his musical ability to change it up, but yep my heart is in the 70-80s era; but looking forward to finding more gems like look at me, time, way home, beautiful loved and blessed.
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Reply #26 posted 10/16/16 3:49pm

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Asenath0607 said:

Yewdale said:

This is such a subjective question to consider (which makes it a good question). Most people in life remain fondest of the music they listened to and bought in their teens... a period in life when music is often of the greatest importance, and listened to most obsessively. (Before anyone jumps all over that, I'm speaking generally. There are of course exceptions to any general observation).

I just so happened to leave my teens at the same time we left the 1980s, and Prince's 90's output kind of co-incided with the time when I 'outgrew' my years of childhood/adolescence, and joined the big grown up world, where the time I spent listening to music lessened considerably. I continued to buy every Prince album during the week, if no longer the day of release (as I felt compelled to do in the 80's), but I remember feeling a steady fall off in my excitement of his music as he went from having been a trend setter/ trailblazer in the 80's, to a follower of trends in the 90's and at times sounding like a retro Prince vegas act in the 00's.

All that said, I always found gems on every album, and occasionally an album would come along that I listened to for longer than it took for the 'new Prince album' feel to wear off. The Gold Experience stood out for me in the 90's. I enjoyed the Musicology/3121/Planet Earth years, and there were songs on those albums that to me would have sat perfectly well on any of his 80's albums, but he was a middle aged artist by then and I am a middle aged music fan, and so excitement and cutting edge had been replaced with a familiar and retro feel which was pleasant if unremarkable.

Prince live was a different beast. I felt the Prince I saw live in 2014 was a better live performer than the one I saw back at the turn of the 90's. He played great and sang like a dream. Live he was vital and exciting long after he had ceased to be either consistently on record (personal view only here folks).

I have a playlist on my ipod of post 80's Prince music that checks in at over 2 1/2 hours long, and it is stunning. So there was still great music after the 80's, but for me it was two or three tracks off this album, another couple of that.

So my thoughts on Prince after the 1980's? He remained more worth sticking around for the long haul than most artists, continued to give us gifts long after we had a right to still expect them, and lit up a stage right up until the end. Yes, I'm a 47 year old man who thinks 80's Prince was king... blah, blah, boring blah.... BUT, anyone who dismisses his post 80's output outright is missing out on some exceptional music.

Well, you did ask razz

I must say that has been my personal experience. As a somewhat typical teenaged female, I fell in love with, the music, but with his looks also. Musically, I really wasn't feeling Dirty Mind, but went with the flow because I was deeply infatuated with him. Last thing I purchased (before yesterday) was Around the World. Of course I loved what was released and played on radio post 80s, but I had no clue what P was up to until his death. I was able to find 3121 digitally and AOA and was like, "this is Prince, hummm,not what I remember". Then yesterday I purchased HNR2 (first, and only, non gospel CD I have purchased in over 20 years), and I was, and am floored. I am like "wow, this is Prince?, He certainly has evolved and changed it up". I absolutely love, love, love Look at Me, and appreciate his musical ability to change it up, but yep my heart is in the 70-80s era; but looking forward to finding more gems like look at me, time, way home, beautiful loved and blessed.

eek eek eek

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Reply #27 posted 10/16/16 8:38pm

Asenath0607

databank said:

Asenath0607 said:

Yewdale said: I must say that has been my personal experience. As a somewhat typical teenaged female, I fell in love with, the music, but with his looks also. Musically, I really wasn't feeling Dirty Mind, but went with the flow because I was deeply infatuated with him. Last thing I purchased (before yesterday) was Around the World. Of course I loved what was released and played on radio post 80s, but I had no clue what P was up to until his death. I was able to find 3121 digitally and AOA and was like, "this is Prince, hummm,not what I remember". Then yesterday I purchased HNR2 (first, and only, non gospel CD I have purchased in over 20 years), and I was, and am floored. I am like "wow, this is Prince?, He certainly has evolved and changed it up". I absolutely love, love, love Look at Me, and appreciate his musical ability to change it up, but yep my heart is in the 70-80s era; but looking forward to finding more gems like look at me, time, way home, beautiful loved and blessed.

eek eek eek

opps, you're right. Made me go back and check. My bad, it was 2009 Janet Jackson's Number Ones. Seems like 20 years???? wink

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Reply #28 posted 10/16/16 9:33pm

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Asenath0607 said:

databank said:

eek eek eek

opps, you're right. Made me go back and check. My bad, it was 2009 Janet Jackson's Number Ones. Seems like 20 years???? wink

Still... eek

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Reply #29 posted 10/17/16 10:44am

26ten

Yeah I'm amazed at that honestly as well.

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Was that some kind of serious decision on your part to restrict your listening to only gospel for that period of time or was that something that just sort of happened - say like a total infatuation with that type of music?

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Also, what kind of gospel music are we talking about? Must be some seriously good music to keep you musically satisfied for that long!!!

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